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** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved and shackled naked within iron cages, then force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions. Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed stolen gene-seed within their wombs, essentially turning them into gigantic, living incubators [[AndIMustScream that were fully aware of their newly-deformed state]].]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that involved stitching the child into the flesh of the Daemonculaba's womb, upon which parasitic tendrils start burrowing into his flesh and transforming him. Days later, the child would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now with a Space Marine's physique, no skin, and the mind of that same scared child.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to be flushed into the barren wastes around Khalan-Gol to die. If they were, new skin would be crudely sutured and stitched onto their skinless frame, with the skin itself coming from slaves who had been bloated in a similar fashion to the Daemonculaba then flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for God knows how long if Uriel had not [[spoiler: freed the Heart of Blood and let it slaughter them all]].
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that involved stitching the child into the flesh of the Daemonculaba's womb, upon which parasitic tendrils start burrowing into his flesh and transforming him. Days later, the child would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now with a Space Marine's physique, no skin, and the mind of that same scared child.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to be flushed into the barren wastes around Khalan-Gol to die. If they were, new skin would be crudely sutured and stitched onto their skinless frame, with the skin itself coming from slaves who had been bloated in a similar fashion to the Daemonculaba then flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for God knows how long if Uriel had not [[spoiler: freed the Heart of Blood and let it slaughter them all]].
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* {{Trumplica}}: In ''Nightbringer'', Taryn Honan is the titular head of the Honan Cartel, but in reality he is a figurehead, whose decisions are all subject to his cartel's board of directors, who quash all of his investment ideas and provide him with a meager (in his view) living allowance. He lost his authority after multiple business ventures failed and his personal account was emptied by a male prostitute. Apart from being [[FatSlob egregiously overweight]], he wears an extravagant powdered wig and gaudy rings on all his fingers, and constantly whines how unfair it is that the committee won't let him "invest" the cartel's money in luxuries for himself, like an anti-gravity carriage instead of a horse-drawn one, because things like this make the whole cartel look prosperous. [[note]]Ironically this portrayal was published in 2002, five years before UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump made himself almost universally hated in Scotland (Graham [=McNeill=]'s place of birth) for his attempts to bully Scottish homeowners living in proximity to his golf courses and ignoring environmental groups' protests about the ecological impact of developing these courses.[[/note]]
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* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too. It's actually brought up in ''The Chapter's Due'', where it's noted that Ultramar is a warrior society who disdains people who don't pull their weight, and also lacks the crushing hopelessness of the forge and hive worlds so common throughout the Imperium.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Honsou crosses it when he destroys Tarsis Ultra purely to spite Ventris, if he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation. Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it by [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Honsou crosses it when he destroys Tarsis Ultra purely to spite Ventris, if he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation. Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it by [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too. It's actually brought up in ''The Chapter's Due'', where it's noted that Ultramar is a warrior society who disdains people who don't pull their weight, and also lacks the crushing hopelessness of the forge and hive worlds so common throughout the Imperium.
* MoralEventHorizon:
**MoralEventHorizon: Honsou crosses it when he destroys Tarsis Ultra purely to spite Ventris, if he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation. Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it by [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Honsou crosses it with destroying Tarsis Ultra (If he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation). Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it with [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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** Honsou crosses itwith destroying when he destroys Tarsis Ultra (If purely to spite Ventris, if he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation).operation. Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it with by [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed stolen gene-seed within their wombs, essentially turning them into gigantic, living incubators [[AndIMustScream that were fully aware of their newly-deformed state]].]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section", with the victim's flesh being sutured directly into that of the Daemonculaba's womb. Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now lacking any skin, and with the mind of that same scared child.]]
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed stolen gene-seed within their wombs, essentially turning them into gigantic, living incubators [[AndIMustScream that were fully aware of their newly-deformed state]].]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section", with the victim's flesh being sutured directly into that of the Daemonculaba's womb. Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now lacking any skin, and with the mind of that same scared child.]]
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** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved, corralled, enslaved and shackled naked within iron cages, then force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions.proportions. Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed stolen gene-seed within their wombs, essentially turning them into gigantic, living incubators [[AndIMustScream that were fully aware of their newly-deformed state]].]]
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed stolen gene-seed within their wombs, essentially turning them into gigantic, living incubators [[AndIMustScream that were fully aware of their newly-deformed state]].]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section", with involved stitching the victim's child into the flesh being sutured directly into that of the Daemonculaba's womb. womb, upon which parasitic tendrils start burrowing into his flesh and transforming him. Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate child would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now lacking any with a Space Marine's physique, no skin, and with the mind of that same scared child.]]
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** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved, corralled, shackled naked within iron cages, and force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions.]]
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed within their wombs stolen gene-seed.]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section". Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate was reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba lacking any skin.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched, mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to rot. If so, then these new soldiers would be given a new skin, harvested from the flayed bodies of human slaves whose flesh had first been painfully stretched to the necessary proportions to fit an Astartes before they were flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for Emperor knows how long if Uriel had not sabotaged the process.
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed within their wombs stolen gene-seed.]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section". Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate was reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba lacking any skin.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched, mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to rot. If so, then these new soldiers would be given a new skin, harvested from the flayed bodies of human slaves whose flesh had first been painfully stretched to the necessary proportions to fit an Astartes before they were flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for Emperor knows how long if Uriel had not sabotaged the process.
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** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved, corralled, and shackled naked within iron cages, and then force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions.]]
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** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverseC-section". C-section", with the victim's flesh being sutured directly into that of the Daemonculaba's womb. Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate was would be reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba - now lacking any skin.skin, and with the mind of that same scared child.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless,wretched, wretched mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to rot. be flushed into the barren wastes around Khalan-Gol to die. If so, then these they were, new soldiers skin would be given a new skin, harvested crudely sutured and stitched onto their skinless frame, with the skin itself coming from the flayed bodies of human slaves whose flesh who had first been painfully stretched bloated in a similar fashion to the necessary proportions to fit an Astartes before they were Daemonculaba then flayed alive.]]
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* BrokenBase: On the Ultramarines being one of the more "noble" and "heroic" chapters. This hasn't been helped by Matt Ward exaggerating both qualities.
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** On the Ultramarines being one of the more "noble" and "heroic" chapters. This hasn't been helped by Matt Ward exaggerating both qualities.
** On the Ultramarines being one of the more "noble" and "heroic" chapters. This hasn't been helped by Matt Ward exaggerating both qualities.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Why can Pasanius survive a point blank shot from a meltagun which should have otherwise killed him? Because the first novel noted that, due to his size, his armour was made from a heavily damaged suit of terminator armour.
* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too.
** It's actually brought up in ''The Chapter's Due'', where it's noted that Ultramar is a warrior society who disdains people who don't pull their weight, and also lacks the crushing hopelessness of the forge and hive worlds so common throughout the Imperium.
** To the Imperium it is a MarySuetopia. To you or I it would appear more like Rome.
* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too.
** It's actually brought up in ''The Chapter's Due'', where it's noted that Ultramar is a warrior society who disdains people who don't pull their weight, and also lacks the crushing hopelessness of the forge and hive worlds so common throughout the Imperium.
** To the Imperium it is a MarySuetopia. To you or I it would appear more like Rome.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Why can Pasanius survive a point blank shot from a meltagun which should have otherwise killed him? Because the first novel noted that, due to his size, his armour armor was made from a heavily damaged suit of terminator armour.
* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lottoo.
**too. It's actually brought up in ''The Chapter's Due'', where it's noted that Ultramar is a warrior society who disdains people who don't pull their weight, and also lacks the crushing hopelessness of the forge and hive worlds so common throughout the Imperium.
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* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot
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** The process of creating the Daemonculaba definitely counts, which is perhaps one of the most messed up things in the entire lore of 40k. For the unenlightened, there are several steps, each more horrifying:
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* MoralEventHorizon: Honsou crosses it with destroying Tarsis Ultra. Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it with [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Honsou crosses it with destroying Tarsis Ultra.Ultra (If he hadn't crossed it already with his Daemonculaba operation). Leto Barbaden and Verena Kain crossed it with the Khartuian Massacre. Prelate Culla crossed it with [[spoiler: beating Mykola Shonai to death with his bare hands.]]
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* NightmareFuel: The process of creating the Daemonculaba definitely counts, which is perhaps one of the most messed up things in the entire lore of 40k. For the unenlightened, there are several steps, each more horrifying:
** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved, corralled, shackled naked within iron cages, and force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions.]]
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed within their wombs stolen gene-seed.]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section". Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate was reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba lacking any skin.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched, mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to rot. If so, then these new soldiers would be given a new skin, harvested from the flayed bodies of human slaves whose flesh had first been painfully stretched to the necessary proportions to fit an Astartes before they were flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for Emperor knows how long if Uriel had not sabotaged the process.
** [[spoiler: First, captive women are enslaved, corralled, shackled naked within iron cages, and force-fed nutrients which caused their bodies to widen and bloat to grotesque proportions.]]
** [[spoiler: Then the Hereteks known as Savage Morticians utilize surgical and chemical techniques as well as the sorcery of Chaos to radically alter the slaves' internal morphology and embed within their wombs stolen gene-seed.]]
** [[spoiler: After that is done, a living young human male drawn from their slave population was sealed within through the use of a surgical procedure that was essentially a "reverse C-section". Days later, the new "Astartes" candidate was reborn from the womb of the Daemonculaba lacking any skin.]]
** [[spoiler: This skinless, wretched, mutant was then inspected to see if he was physically worthy to be an Astartes. If not, it would just be tossed into the sewers to rot. If so, then these new soldiers would be given a new skin, harvested from the flayed bodies of human slaves whose flesh had first been painfully stretched to the necessary proportions to fit an Astartes before they were flayed alive.]]
** And this would have continued for Emperor knows how long if Uriel had not sabotaged the process.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: From the movie, Chaplain Carnek is considered to be one of the better things simply due to the fact He's voiced by John Hurt.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Much of Matt Ward's fluff is rather clearly propaganda or what citizens of Ultramar believe.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Fans were hoping that Ward wouldn't be writing Ultramarines in the next books well they're right, the only problem is Robin Cruddace (writer of 6th Edition Codex) more or less ''kept'' everything Ward wrote, fan favorite Phil Kelly (who wrote the Damnos Warzone book) took the "Ultramarines are awesome" UpToEleven.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Fans were hoping that Ward wouldn't be writing Ultramarines in the next books well they're right, the only problem is Robin Cruddace (writer of 6th Edition Codex) more or less ''kept'' everything Ward wrote, fan favorite Phil Kelly (who wrote the Damnos Warzone book) took the "Ultramarines are awesome" UpToEleven.
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* BoringInvincibleHero: Many fans complain about how ridiculously skilled some of the higher ranking Ultramarines are, what with a captain that's earned more medals by himself than any other entire chapter, and a scout sergeant who's responsible for the Ultramarines "having the best marksmen in the entire galaxy".
** To make matters worse, Matt Ward, the author of the most recent codex, has taken to ramming how awesome all Ultramarines are down people's throats. This is done to the point where one small paragraph notes that Ultramarines scouts can have the same level of experience as most captains from other chapters by the time they don power armour. The second company is also described as being the "greatest fighting force in the Adeptus Astartes."
*** By the way, good luck figuring out how much of this was ExecutiveMeddling (Matt Ward was commissioned to write an Ultramarines-only codex before the publisher told him to also make it a general Space Marines book instead) and how much is genuine fanboyism (see his feud with [=McNeill=] below).
** Creator/GrahamMcNeill actually tried to tone down some of the more overt fanboying in ''Chapter's Due''. Matt Ward then tried to retcon some of it out.
*** A problem some have with [=McNeill=] is that they feel it takes it too far in the other direction.
** Thankfully the 6th Edition rulebook removed this. Chapters that don't follow the Codex Astartes are no longer considered [[StopHavingFunGuys "aberrant"]], other Chapters don't look up to Guilliman as their "spiritual liege", and pretty much every other MarySue trait has been done away with (minus the bit about the Honor Guard).
* MagnificentBastard: Honsou can make anyone dance to his tune.
-->I always have a plan.
** To make matters worse, Matt Ward, the author of the most recent codex, has taken to ramming how awesome all Ultramarines are down people's throats. This is done to the point where one small paragraph notes that Ultramarines scouts can have the same level of experience as most captains from other chapters by the time they don power armour. The second company is also described as being the "greatest fighting force in the Adeptus Astartes."
*** By the way, good luck figuring out how much of this was ExecutiveMeddling (Matt Ward was commissioned to write an Ultramarines-only codex before the publisher told him to also make it a general Space Marines book instead) and how much is genuine fanboyism (see his feud with [=McNeill=] below).
** Creator/GrahamMcNeill actually tried to tone down some of the more overt fanboying in ''Chapter's Due''. Matt Ward then tried to retcon some of it out.
*** A problem some have with [=McNeill=] is that they feel it takes it too far in the other direction.
** Thankfully the 6th Edition rulebook removed this. Chapters that don't follow the Codex Astartes are no longer considered [[StopHavingFunGuys "aberrant"]], other Chapters don't look up to Guilliman as their "spiritual liege", and pretty much every other MarySue trait has been done away with (minus the bit about the Honor Guard).
* MagnificentBastard: Honsou can make anyone dance to his tune.
-->I always have a plan.
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this mainly for being voiced by John Hurt.
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [Bling of war/some cool armor] and being voiced by John Hurt.
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [Bling of war/some cool armor] and mainly for being voiced by John Hurt.Hurt.
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [[blingofwar] some cool armor] and being voiced by [[Person/John Hurt]].]]
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [[blingofwar] some [Bling of war/some cool armor] and being voiced by [[Person/John Hurt]].]]John Hurt.
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