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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances. Even after Josh confronts him over Lester's suicide, Shaw [[LackOfEmpathy shows zero remorse over what he did]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances. Even after Josh confronts him over Lester's attempted suicide, Shaw [[LackOfEmpathy shows zero remorse over what he did]].
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** Lester's suicide after he realizes Shaw swindled him out of his retirement funds is not remotely PlayedForLaughs. That fact that Shaw knew this even when he knew he was finished is what pushes Josh toward the heist.
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** Lester's attempted suicide after he realizes Shaw swindled him out of his retirement funds is not remotely PlayedForLaughs. That fact that Shaw knew this even when he knew he was finished is what pushes Josh toward the heist.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Considering how the movie project began as a "heist on Trump Tower" plot back in 2005, by 2023 where Donald Trump's financial empire [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_civil_investigation_of_The_Trump_Organization is facing state-level civil lawsuits for lying]] about his property values - including Trump Tower itself - makes this movie rather prophetic.
** That they ''filmed scenes'' for this movie at Trump Tower adds more irony to it.
** That they ''filmed scenes'' for this movie at Trump Tower adds more irony to it.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system, made not long after the Great Recession.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system, made not long after the Great Recession.Recession.
** Years later, it would add more political impact when Donald Trump - whose property ownership empire inspired the movie's creation - became U.S. President in 2016... and then had that property empire threatened by criminal and civil lawsuits over allegations of fraud and tax-dodging.
** Years later, it would add more political impact when Donald Trump - whose property ownership empire inspired the movie's creation - became U.S. President in 2016... and then had that property empire threatened by criminal and civil lawsuits over allegations of fraud and tax-dodging.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system.system, made not long after the Great Recession.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances. Even after Josh confronts him, Shaw [[LackOfEmpathy shows zero remorse over what he did]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances. Even after Josh confronts him, him over Lester's suicide, Shaw [[LackOfEmpathy shows zero remorse over what he did]].
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** Mr. Fitzhugh's descent into poverty, while somewhat lightened with some laughs, is still gut-wrenching. Even Josh pities him to the point of trying to let him keep his apartment a little longer and even letting him join in on the heist.
** Lester's suicide after he realizes Shaw swindled him out of his retirement funds is not remotely PlayedForLaughs. That fact that Shaw knew this even when he knew he was finished is what pushes Josh toward the heist.
** Mr. Fitzhugh's descent into poverty, while somewhat lightened with some laughs, is still gut-wrenching. Even Josh pities him to the point of trying to let him keep his apartment a little longer and even letting him join in on the heist.
** Lester's suicide after he realizes Shaw swindled him out of his retirement funds is not remotely PlayedForLaughs. That fact that Shaw knew this even when he knew he was finished is what pushes Josh toward the heist.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends. [[spoiler:At least, in the theatrical cut. Deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, reveal that after Josh’s release, he resumes life where he left off including pursuing his romance with Claire.]]
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends. [[spoiler:At least, in the theatrical cut. Deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, reveal that after Josh’s release, he resumes life where he left off including pursuing his romance with Claire.]]]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a silly heist comedy featuring Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy...that also features issues like corporate corruption, greed, and the inequities of the criminal justice system.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances. Even after Josh confronts him, Shaw [[LackOfEmpathy shows zero remorse over what he did]].
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* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $264 from the four of them, a little over $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.
* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $264 from the four of them, a little over $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends. [[spoiler:At least, in the theatrical cut. Deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, reveal that after Josh’s release, he resumes life where he left off including pursuing his romance with Claire.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $264 from the four of them, a little over $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $264 from the four of them, a little over $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.
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Correction - Slide says he stole "$264 in cash" from then, not $170 (not sure where that number came from, tbh).
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* MagnificentBastard: [[BenevolentBoss Josh Kovaks]], manager of the luxury apartment complex "The Tower", learns of [[SmugSnake Arthur Shaw's]] plan to swindle all the building's workers out of their pensions. Vandalizing Shaw's prized Ferrari in retaliation, Josh gets fired and begins plotting a heist to take back what was stolen from the other workers. Forming a team, Josh tricks the FBI who arrested Shaw into thinking Shaw's trial would take place on Thanksgiving, allowing the crew to break into the Tower. Diverting the attention of the new manager by having him think his wife is going into labour, Josh and his crew find the safe they meant to plunder empty but that Shaw's Ferrari is made of solid gold. Taking precautions to protect himself in case he is arrested, Josh has the Ferrari hidden in his cohort's apartment, before later hiding it in the penthouse pool. [[TakingYouWithMe Using Shaw's ledger as leverage in the trial]], Josh secures the freedom of all his fellow workers, himself only spending two years in jail, and having his employees divide the parts of the gold Ferrari amongst themselves.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[BenevolentBoss Josh Kovaks]], manager of the luxury apartment complex "The Tower", learns of [[SmugSnake Arthur Shaw's]] Shaw's plan to swindle all the building's workers out of their pensions. Vandalizing Shaw's prized Ferrari in retaliation, Josh gets fired and begins [[KarmicThief plotting a heist to take back what was stolen stolen]] from the other workers. Forming a team, Josh tricks the FBI who arrested Shaw into thinking Shaw's trial would take place on Thanksgiving, allowing the crew to break into the Tower. Diverting the attention of the new manager by having him think his wife is going into labour, Josh and his crew find the safe they meant to plunder empty but that Shaw's Ferrari is made of solid gold. Taking precautions to protect himself in case he is arrested, Josh has the Ferrari hidden in his cohort's apartment, before later hiding it in the penthouse pool. [[TakingYouWithMe Using Shaw's ledger as leverage in the trial]], Josh secures the freedom of all his fellow workers, himself only spending two years in jail, and having his employees divide the parts of the gold Ferrari amongst themselves.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends. [[At [[spoiler:At least, in the theatrical cut. Deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, reveals reveal that after Josh’s release, he resumes life where he left off including pursuing his romance with Claire.]]
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends. [[At least, in the theatrical cut. Deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray, reveals that after Josh’s release, he resumes life where he left off including pursuing his romance with Claire.]]
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* MagnificentBastard: [[BenevolentBoss Josh Kovacs]], manager of the luxury apartment complex "The Tower", learns of [[SmugSnake Arthur Shaw's]] plan to swindle all the building's workers out of their pensions. Vandalizing Shaw's prized Ferrari in retaliation, Josh gets fired and begins plotting a heist to take back what was stolen from the other workers. Forming a team, Josh tricks the FBI who arrested Shaw into thinking Shaw's trial would take place on Thanksgiving, allowing the crew to break into the Tower. Diverting the attention of the new manager by having him think his wife is going into labour, Josh and his crew find the safe they meant to plunder empty but that Shaw's Ferrari is made of solid gold. Taking precautions to protect himself in case he is arrested, Josh has the Ferrari hidden in his cohort's apartment, before later hiding it in the penthouse pool. [[TakingYouWithMe Using Shaw's ledger as leverage in the trial]], Josh secures the freedom of all his fellow workers, himself only spending two years in jail, and having his employees divide the parts of the gold Ferrari amongst themselves.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[BenevolentBoss Josh Kovacs]], Kovaks]], manager of the luxury apartment complex "The Tower", learns of [[SmugSnake Arthur Shaw's]] plan to swindle all the building's workers out of their pensions. Vandalizing Shaw's prized Ferrari in retaliation, Josh gets fired and begins plotting a heist to take back what was stolen from the other workers. Forming a team, Josh tricks the FBI who arrested Shaw into thinking Shaw's trial would take place on Thanksgiving, allowing the crew to break into the Tower. Diverting the attention of the new manager by having him think his wife is going into labour, Josh and his crew find the safe they meant to plunder empty but that Shaw's Ferrari is made of solid gold. Taking precautions to protect himself in case he is arrested, Josh has the Ferrari hidden in his cohort's apartment, before later hiding it in the penthouse pool. [[TakingYouWithMe Using Shaw's ledger as leverage in the trial]], Josh secures the freedom of all his fellow workers, himself only spending two years in jail, and having his employees divide the parts of the gold Ferrari amongst themselves.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[BenevolentBoss Josh Kovacs]], manager of the luxury apartment complex "The Tower", learns of [[SmugSnake Arthur Shaw's]] plan to swindle all the building's workers out of their pensions. Vandalizing Shaw's prized Ferrari in retaliation, Josh gets fired and begins plotting a heist to take back what was stolen from the other workers. Forming a team, Josh tricks the FBI who arrested Shaw into thinking Shaw's trial would take place on Thanksgiving, allowing the crew to break into the Tower. Diverting the attention of the new manager by having him think his wife is going into labour, Josh and his crew find the safe they meant to plunder empty but that Shaw's Ferrari is made of solid gold. Taking precautions to protect himself in case he is arrested, Josh has the Ferrari hidden in his cohort's apartment, before later hiding it in the penthouse pool. [[TakingYouWithMe Using Shaw's ledger as leverage in the trial]], Josh secures the freedom of all his fellow workers, himself only spending two years in jail, and having his employees divide the parts of the gold Ferrari amongst themselves.
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* MagnificentBastard: Josh grows into this more and more, completely showing the BigBad how it's done by the climax.
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* StopHelpingMe: After Josh gets his friends fired.
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* StopHelpingMe: After Josh gets his friends fired.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, meaning that he knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, while he lined his pockets with said money to keep up appearances.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, meaning that he long before Lester came to him with his savings. He knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, while he lined instead lining his pockets with said money to keep up appearances.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before meaning that he "invested" Lester's savings. knowingly stole the money of an old man he pretended to care about under the pretense of "investing" it, while he lined his pockets with said money to keep up appearances.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While you can argue Shaw crossed it before the events of the film, the moment that truly cements it is Fitzhugh's reveal that he would have known he was in financial trouble a year ago, long before he "invested" Lester's savings.
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* MagnificentBastard: Josh grows into this more and more.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The whole "shoplifting sequence"
** Odessa flirting with Slide while teaching him how to crack the safe. Especially his reactions to it.
** The discussion about lesbians.
** Slide's mention of a woman's "fat ass".
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: The reactions of all the Tower employees when [[spoiler:they receive their share of the gold car.]]
** Odessa flirting with Slide while teaching him how to crack the safe. Especially his reactions to it.
** The discussion about lesbians.
** Slide's mention of a woman's "fat ass".
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** Slide's mention of a woman's "fat ass".
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* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.him.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $170 from the four of them, roughly $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.
** FridgeBrilliance: Slide steals a total of $170 from the four of them, roughly $50 a piece, so he stole from them what they stole from others.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends.
* RomanticPlotTumor: ''Barely'' subverted by Josh and Claire, in that they don't actually get the opportunity to date and fall in love, and the relationship really ''can't'' go anywhere because of how the film ends.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The whole "shoplifting sequence"sequence"
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* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
** Odessa flirting with Slide while teaching him how to crack the safe. Especially his reactions to it.
* WhatAnIdiot: Slide asks Josh, Enrique, Charlie and Fitz to steal $50 worth of stuff to prove themselves to being part of the heist. He asks them to leave their wallets behind so they can't buy anything and claim they stole it. When they return, Slide calls them out for leaving their wallets behind with a thief, namely, him.
