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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: From the movie we have [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAT_A71WOs Victorius Titus]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Z6Qvtn1WM Finale]].
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The movie is brimming with them. Some prime examples are the gypsy dance, Lavinia's rape flashback (which involved heavy metal music and gratuitous tigers), most of the orgy scenes, and the bit where Chiron dances on a pool table wearing enough leather to start his own BDSM colony.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: Harry Lennix is one of the lesser known actors in the 1999 film but as Aaron he manages to steal every scene he's in.
* FoeYay: Played for laughs in the film when Tamora dresses up as the spirit of Revenge and Titus gives her a prolonged kiss on the lips out of gratitude much to the awkward stares of her disguised sons [[spoiler: because Titus knows well that's Tamora and is only biding his time playing up his insanity and freaking her out.]]



* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[Theatre/{{Othello}} Iago]] and Theatre/RichardIII. The film really highlights this in [[EvilGloating Aaron's monologue]] after [[ForTheEvulz betraying Titus]] with the LifeOrLimbDecision ("I have done a thousand dreadful things as willingly as one would kill a fly, and nothing grieves me heartily indeed, but that I cannot do ten thousand more" ''etc., etc.''), which is set to [[SoundtrackDissonance a jaunty jazz tune]].

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* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[Theatre/{{Othello}} Iago]] and Theatre/RichardIII. The film really highlights this in [[EvilGloating Aaron's monologue]] after [[ForTheEvulz betraying Titus]] with the LifeOrLimbDecision ("I have done a thousand dreadful things as willingly as one would kill a fly, and nothing grieves me heartily indeed, but that I cannot do ten thousand more" ''etc., etc.''), which is set to [[SoundtrackDissonance a jaunty jazz tune]].



* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: The movie is best described as the original on LSD and [[AnachronismStew abusing a time machine]].

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome Dialogue: After finding out about the abovementioned ChocolateBaby, the following bit of dialogue takes place:
--> '''Chiron''': Thou hast undone our mother.
--> '''Aaron''': Villain, I have ''done'' thy mother.



* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[Theatre/{{Othello}} Iago]] and Theatre/RichardIII.
** The film really highlights this in [[EvilGloating Aaron's monologue]] after [[ForTheEvulz betraying Titus]] with the LifeOrLimbDecision ("I have done a thousand dreadful things as willingly as one would kill a fly, and nothing grieves me heartily indeed, but that I cannot do ten thousand more" ''etc., etc.''), which is set to [[SoundtrackDissonance a jaunty jazz tune]].

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* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[Theatre/{{Othello}} Iago]] and Theatre/RichardIII.
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Theatre/RichardIII. The film really highlights this in [[EvilGloating Aaron's monologue]] after [[ForTheEvulz betraying Titus]] with the LifeOrLimbDecision ("I have done a thousand dreadful things as willingly as one would kill a fly, and nothing grieves me heartily indeed, but that I cannot do ten thousand more" ''etc., etc.''), which is set to [[SoundtrackDissonance a jaunty jazz tune]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Really, Saturninus? You think it's a good idea to marry a defeated enemy who has sworn revenge right in front of you and elevate her to empress? And then convict the two sons of the man responsible for her son's death based on one piece of evidence that this revenge-sworn Queen of the Goths gave you?
*** This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed throughout the play as an arrogant dumbass.

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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Really, Saturninus? You think it's a good idea to marry a defeated enemy who has sworn revenge right in front of you and elevate her to empress? And then convict the two sons of the man responsible for her son's death based on one piece of evidence that this revenge-sworn Queen of the Goths gave you?
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you? This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed throughout the play as an arrogant dumbass.
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* FoeYay: Played for laughs in the film when Tamora dresses up as the spirit of Revenge and Titus gives her a prolonged kiss on the lips out of gratitude much to the awkward stares of her disguised sons [[spoiler: because Titus knows well that's Tamora and is only biding his time playing up his insanity and freaking her out.]]
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** ValuesResonance: In the darkest way possible; Julie Taymor choose to adapt the play to film because she regards it as the [[WorldHalfEmpty closet to our current times.]]

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** ValuesResonance: In the darkest way possible; Julie Taymor choose to adapt the play to film because she regards it as the [[WorldHalfEmpty closet closest to our current times.]]
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** ValuesResonance: In the darkest way possible; Julie Taymor choose to adapt the play to film because she regards it as the [[WorldHalfEmpty closet to our current times.]]
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* IdiotPlot: A HUGE criticism of the play is how the problems presented had pretty simple, logical solutions but aren't brought up in order to drag out the misery. Then again, some scholars have argued that the play is a possible parody of the tragedies of the time and shows how the characters in tragedies can in fact be completely stupid.
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* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong. People were fainting or throwing up while watching the 2014 Globe production.

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* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong. People were fainting or throwing up while watching the 2014 Globe production.production, particularly during Lavinia's emergence after her rape and dismemberment.
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* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong. Reportedly, people were fainting or throwing up while watching the 2014 Globe production.

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* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong. Reportedly, people People were fainting or throwing up while watching the 2014 Globe production.



** This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed thoughout the play as an arrogant dumbass.
** Speaking of, why did it take everybody so long to give Lavinia a stick so she could scratch the names of her rapists out in the sand? Hell, why didn't she just use her ''feet?''

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** *** This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed thoughout throughout the play as an arrogant dumbass.
** Speaking of, why did it take everybody so damn long to give Lavinia a stick so she could scratch the names of her rapists out in the sand? Hell, why didn't she just use her ''feet?''
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* MoralEventHorizon: Demetrius, Chiron, Tamora and Aaron all cross with Lavinia's rape and mutilation. The latter two didn't actively participate, but Aaron was the mastermind behind it, and Tamora fully encouraged it, perhaps at this point perversely relinquishing her womanhood in condoning such horrific and misogynistic abuse of another woman.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Demetrius, Chiron, Tamora and Aaron all cross with Lavinia's rape and mutilation. The latter two didn't actively participate, but Aaron was the mastermind behind it, and Tamora fully encouraged it, perhaps at this point perversely relinquishing her womanhood in condoning such horrific and misogynistic abuse of another woman. And what's worse, Demetrius and Chiron ''taunt her about it afterwards,'' mockingly daring her to try and tell anyone who abused her so thoroughly.



* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong.

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* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong. Reportedly, people were fainting or throwing up while watching the 2014 Globe production.



** Speaking of, why did it take everybody so long to give Lavinia a stick so she could scratch the names of her rapists out in the sand?

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** Speaking of, why did it take everybody so long to give Lavinia a stick so she could scratch the names of her rapists out in the sand?sand? Hell, why didn't she just use her ''feet?''

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* CompleteMonster: It could be said that Demetrius and Chiron become this when they [[MoralEventHorizon rape and mutilate Lavinia]]; especially given the horrifyingly callous and remorseless way in which they ''taunt'' her afterwards.
** On facing execution Aaron boasts of all the evil deeds he's done in his life. It's quite a list.
-->Even now I curse the day--and yet, I think,\\
Few come within the compass of my curse,--\\
Wherein I did not some notorious ill,\\
As kill a man, or else devise his death,\\
Ravish a maid, or plot the way to do it,\\
Accuse some innocent and forswear myself,\\
Set deadly enmity between two friends,\\
Make poor men's cattle break their necks;\\
Set fire on barns and hay-stacks in the night,\\
And bid the owners quench them with their tears.\\
Oft have I digg'd up dead men from their graves,\\
And set them upright at their dear friends' doors,\\
Even when their sorrows almost were forgot;\\
And on their skins, as on the bark of trees,\\
Have with my knife carved in Roman letters,\\
'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'\\
Tut, I have done a thousand dreadful things\\
As willingly as one would kill a fly,\\
And nothing grieves me heartily indeed\\
But that I cannot do ten thousand more.

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* CompleteMonster: It could be said that Demetrius and Chiron become this when they [[MoralEventHorizon rape and mutilate Lavinia]]; especially given %%Do NOT add CompleteMonster entries without going to the horrifyingly callous and remorseless way in which they ''taunt'' her afterwards.
** On facing execution Aaron boasts of all the evil deeds he's done in his life. It's quite a list.
-->Even now I curse the day--and yet, I think,\\
Few come within the compass of my curse,--\\
Wherein I did not some notorious ill,\\
As kill a man, or else devise his death,\\
Ravish a maid, or plot the way to do it,\\
Accuse some innocent and forswear myself,\\
Set deadly enmity between two friends,\\
Make poor men's cattle break their necks;\\
Set fire on barns and hay-stacks in the night,\\
And bid the owners quench them with their tears.\\
Oft have I digg'd up dead men from their graves,\\
And set them upright at their dear friends' doors,\\
Even when their sorrows almost were forgot;\\
And on their skins, as on the bark of trees,\\
Have with my knife carved in Roman letters,\\
'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'\\
Tut, I have done a thousand dreadful things\\
As willingly as one would kill a fly,\\
And nothing grieves me heartily indeed\\
But that I cannot do ten thousand more.
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Harry Lennix is one of the lesser known actors in the 1999 film but as Aaron he manages to steal pretty much every scene he's in.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Harry Lennix is one of the lesser known actors in the 1999 film but as Aaron he manages to steal pretty much every scene he's in.
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** On facing execution Aaron boasts of all the evil deeds he's done in his life, saying that his only disappointment is that he won't live to do more of them. It's quite a list.

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** On facing execution Aaron boasts of all the evil deeds he's done in his life, saying that his only disappointment is that he won't live to do more of them.life. It's quite a list.
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** On facing execution Aaron boasts of all the evil deeds he's done in his life, saying that his only disappointment is that he won't live to do more of them. It's quite a list.
-->Even now I curse the day--and yet, I think,\\
Few come within the compass of my curse,--\\
Wherein I did not some notorious ill,\\
As kill a man, or else devise his death,\\
Ravish a maid, or plot the way to do it,\\
Accuse some innocent and forswear myself,\\
Set deadly enmity between two friends,\\
Make poor men's cattle break their necks;\\
Set fire on barns and hay-stacks in the night,\\
And bid the owners quench them with their tears.\\
Oft have I digg'd up dead men from their graves,\\
And set them upright at their dear friends' doors,\\
Even when their sorrows almost were forgot;\\
And on their skins, as on the bark of trees,\\
Have with my knife carved in Roman letters,\\
'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'\\
Tut, I have done a thousand dreadful things\\
As willingly as one would kill a fly,\\
And nothing grieves me heartily indeed\\
But that I cannot do ten thousand more.
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* CompleteMonster: It could be said that Demetrius and Chiron become this when they [MoralEventHorizon rape and mutilate Lavinia]; especially given the horrifyingly callous and remorseless way in which they ''taunt'' her afterwards.

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* CompleteMonster: It could be said that Demetrius and Chiron become this when they [MoralEventHorizon [[MoralEventHorizon rape and mutilate Lavinia]; Lavinia]]; especially given the horrifyingly callous and remorseless way in which they ''taunt'' her afterwards.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her having Bassianus killed is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading and her pleas for mercy.mercy have been ignored. Her having Bassianus killed is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.



* CompleteMonster: It could be said that Demetrius and Chiron become this when they [MoralEventHorizon rape and mutilate Lavinia]; especially given the horrifyingly callous and remorseless way in which they ''taunt'' her afterwards.



--> '''Aaron''': Villain, I have done thy mother.

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--> '''Aaron''': Villain, I have done ''done'' thy mother.



* MoralEventHorizon: Tamora, Demetrius, Chiron and Aaron all cross with Lavinia's rape and mutilation.
* NightmareFuel: Can't sleep. Titus won't eat me. He'll make someone else eat me.
* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Tamora, Demetrius, Chiron Chiron, Tamora and Aaron all cross with Lavinia's rape and mutilation.mutilation. The latter two didn't actively participate, but Aaron was the mastermind behind it, and Tamora fully encouraged it, perhaps at this point perversely relinquishing her womanhood in condoning such horrific and misogynistic abuse of another woman.
* NightmareFuel: Can't sleep. Titus won't eat me. He'll make someone else eat me.
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** Mitigated by the fact that Titus only did this to violent rapists and murderers who had it coming, in an extreme of vengeful rage. His victims, Demetrius and Chiron, are probably even more nightmarish, with the unspeakable things they do to the innocent Lavinia, without an iota of empathy or remorse. Don't go walking in the woods.
* {{Squick}}: If a production doesn't squick someone out, something is very, ''very'', wrong.



** This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed though out the play as an arrogant dumbass.

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** This is justified since Saturninus is portrayed though out thoughout the play as an arrogant dumbass.
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*EnsembleDarkHorse: Harry Lennix is one of the lesser known actors in the 1999 film but as Aaron he manages to steal pretty much every scene he's in.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: From the movie we have [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAT_A71WOs Victorius Titus]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Z6Qvtn1WM Finale]].

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* CompleteMonster: Depending on how it's played, Aaron could fit this.



* ValuesDissonance: This was one of Shakespeare's most popular plays during his lifetime and right afterward but has pretty much had the exact opposite reputation since then.

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* ValuesDissonance: This was one of Shakespeare's most popular plays during his lifetime and right afterward but has pretty much had the exact opposite reputation since then.



** This is justified since Saturninus is potrayed though out the play as an arrogant dumbass.

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** This is justified since Saturninus is potrayed portrayed though out the play as an arrogant dumbass.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Tamora, Demetrius, Chiron and Aaron all cross with Lavinia's rape and mutilation.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her instructing her sons to rape and dismember Lavinia is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her instructing her sons to rape and dismember Lavinia having Bassianus killed is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.
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* CompleteMonster: Depending on how it's played, Tamora, Aaron, Chiron, Demetrius, and Titus could all fit this.

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* CompleteMonster: Depending on how it's played, Tamora, Aaron, Chiron, Demetrius, and Titus Aaron could all fit this.
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** This is justified since Saturninus is potrayed though out the play as an arrogant dumbass.

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** This is justified since Saturninus is potrayed though out the play as an arrogant dumbass.dumbass.
** Speaking of, why did it take everybody so long to give Lavinia a stick so she could scratch the names of her rapists out in the sand?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her instructing her sons to rape and dismember Lavinia is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.
** For that matter, Aaron himself can be seen as a bitter, lost and unhinged WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds if you squint a bit.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her instructing her sons to rape and dismember Lavinia is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.
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** For that matter, Aaron himself can be seen as a bitter, lost and unhinged WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds if you squint a bit.



--> '''Chiron''': Thou hast undone our mother.

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--> '''Chiron''': Thou hast undone our mother.



* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[{{Othello}} Iago]] and RichardIII.

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* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[{{Othello}} [[Theatre/{{Othello}} Iago]] and RichardIII.Theatre/RichardIII.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Can't sleep. Titus won't eat me. He'll make someone else eat me.


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* NightmareFuel: Can't sleep. Titus won't eat me. He'll make someone else eat me.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Can't sleep. Titus won't eat me. He'll make someone else eat me.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Really Saturninus? You think it's a good idea to marry a defeated enemy who has sworn revenge right in front of you and elevate her to empress? And then convict the two sons of the man responsible for her son's death based on one piece of evidence that this revenge-sworn Queen of the Goths gave you?

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* WhatAnIdiot: Really Really, Saturninus? You think it's a good idea to marry a defeated enemy who has sworn revenge right in front of you and elevate her to empress? And then convict the two sons of the man responsible for her son's death based on one piece of evidence that this revenge-sworn Queen of the Goths gave you?
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* CompleteMonster: Depending on how it's played, Tamora, Aaron, Chiron, Demetrius, and Titus could all fit this.


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** For that matter, Aaron himself can be seen as a bitter, lost and unhinged WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds if you squint a bit.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's possible partially to exonerate Tamora, on the grounds that her child (Alarbus) has been brutally killed after pleading for mercy. Her instructing her sons to rape and dismember Lavinia is tit for tat (''see'' NotSoDifferent, ''below''), and most of the other atrocities are committed by Aaron.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The movie is brimming with them. Some prime examples are the gypsy dance, Lavinia's rape flashback (which involved heavy metal music and gratuitous tigers), most of the orgy scenes, and the bit where Chiron dances on a pool table wearing enough leather to start his own BDSM colony.


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* MagnificentBastard: Aaron, though he does tend to get overlooked amongst Shakespeare's other Magnificent Bastards such as [[{{Othello}} Iago]] and RichardIII.
** The film really highlights this in [[EvilGloating Aaron's monologue]] after [[ForTheEvulz betraying Titus]] with the LifeOrLimbDecision ("I have done a thousand dreadful things as willingly as one would kill a fly, and nothing grieves me heartily indeed, but that I cannot do ten thousand more" ''etc., etc.''), which is set to [[SoundtrackDissonance a jaunty jazz tune]].

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