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** Jaime as well from book 2 - a Yoruban Demigod who catches the eye of Apollo and is shown to be a good fighter.

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** [[FridgeBrilliance Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.]] By the time it becomes revealed in-universe, the people who see it are of course, people who haven't seen those powers before.
** Borders on CannotSpitItOut. Apollo tries several times to connect the dots and thinks he has a good idea, but can't confirm it as his mortal brain is cutoff from all of his immortal knowledge. He does surmise Chiron figured it out.

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** [[FridgeBrilliance Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.dots (Apollo).]] By the time it becomes revealed in-universe, the people who see it are of course, people who haven't seen those powers before.
** Borders on CannotSpitItOut. Apollo tries several times to connect the dots and thinks he has a good idea, but can't confirm it as his mortal brain is cutoff cut off from all of his immortal knowledge. He does surmise Chiron figured it out.


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** Also, [[spoiler:Apollo]] in the climax of the second book. He actually manages to [[spoiler:save his friends from a hostage situation that would've resulted in people getting hurt either way [[note]]The deal was that either the Waystation's defenders hand over the Throne of Mnemosyne, let the building be razed, and Lester/Apollo and Georgina be killed (meaning that Meg would remain permanently insane, they would lose an important shelter, and the aforementioned people would be killed, respectively) or Leo, Emmie, and Georgina would be killed.[[/note]] by revealing his divine form and blinding Commodus and his Germani, allowing the defenders to gain the upper hand. Note the fact that he is ''nowhere'' near full strength (by mortal standards), having just regained consciousness after passing out from surviving a sanity-exhausting trip to the Dark Oracle, swimming with one arm while carrying an unconscious Meg, and a blemmyae attack that left his arm broken]].
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** Flashbacks to Apollos relationship with [[spoiler: Commodus]]. You know it's going to end in tears when they're SoHappyTogether, but it's still tragic no matter how evil the latter turned out to be.
** Apollo [[spoiler: killing Commodus]] is this, full stop.
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* LGBTFanbase: Started with the previous series, but Apollo being bisexual and showing that, in-universe, they are actually ''accepted'' and oftentimes even treated as normal is another big step.

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* LGBTFanbase: Started with the previous series, but Apollo being bisexual and showing that, in-universe, they are actually ''accepted'' and oftentimes even treated as normal is another big step. The fact that Nico di Angelo and Will Solace are the franchise's first LGBT OfficialCouple also helps.

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* AssPull: The villains being [[spoiler: the emperors of Rome]]. At this point, it feels like Riordan's running out of mythological source material, and we suddenly have these characters to deal with, despite the Doors of Death plot being done already.
** Though in the book it was mentioned explicitly they never actually died.
** Historically: the emperors of Rome were considered gods in certain ways. That is, if the Imperial Cult was right and some of the emperors received divinity through the Senate (it's complex, let's just say that 'worthy' caesars were voted into divinity), then it might very well be less of an AssPull and more that the author is using something that is less well known. The [mystery] cults (such as the Cult of Iris, the Gnostics, the Imperial Cult, the bacchic rites [the Dionysus mysteries], and Christianity [originally]) were a major part of the Roman Empire's religious landscape in the late BC to 312 AD (Constantine established the Roman Empire as Christian). So, it's probably more of a case that Roirdan is fully aware of these historical events (they're common knowledge in the field), so, it's actually a case of shown their work/research, instead.
* CaptainObviousReveal: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.

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* AssPull: The BrokenBase: On the villains being [[spoiler: the emperors of Rome]]. At this point, it feels Some feel like Riordan's running out of mythological source material, and we suddenly have these it's an AssPull, adding more characters to deal with, despite when the Doors of Death plot being has been done already.
** Though in the book it was mentioned
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''died''), and others feel that while a bit sudden, it follows Riordan's usual ShownTheirWork quite well on something ''considerably'' less well-known. (spoilers on note) [[note]]Historically, the emperors of Rome were considered gods in certain ways. That is, if If the Imperial Cult was right and right, some of the emperors received divinity through the Senate (it's complex, let's just say that 'worthy' caesars were voted into divinity), then it might very well be less of an AssPull and more that the author is using something that is less well known. divinity). The [mystery] numerous mystery cults (such as the Cult of Iris, the Gnostics, the Imperial Cult, the bacchic rites [the rites, the Dionysus mysteries], mysteries, and Christianity [originally]) (originally) Christianity) were a major part of the Roman Empire's religious landscape in the late BC to 312 AD (Constantine established the Roman Empire as Christian). So, it's probably more of a case that Roirdan is fully aware of these historical events (they're common knowledge in the field), so, it's actually a case of shown their work/research, instead.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches.Peaches, a [[spoiler:Karpoi/Grain Spirit]]. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A [[WickedStepmother wicked stepfather]] who happens to be the sociopathic (Former) head of state? [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Funny coincidence.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: A [[WickedStepmother wicked stepfather]] who happens to be the sociopathic (Former) head of state? And the one responsible for their birth father's death? [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Funny coincidence.]]
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** Historically: the emperors of Rome were considered gods in certain ways. That is, if the Imperial Cult was right and some of the emperors received divinity through the Senate (it's complex, let's just say that 'worthy' caesars were voted into divinity), then it might very well be less of an AssPull and more that the author is using something that is less well known. The mystic cults (such as the Cult of Iris, the Gnostics, the Imperial Cult, and Christianity [originally]) were a major part of the Roman Empire's religious landscape in the late BC to 312 AD (Constantine established the Roman Empire as Christian). So, it's probably more of a case that Roirdan is fully aware of these historical events (they're common knowledge in the field), so, it's actually a case of shown their work/research, instead.

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** Historically: the emperors of Rome were considered gods in certain ways. That is, if the Imperial Cult was right and some of the emperors received divinity through the Senate (it's complex, let's just say that 'worthy' caesars were voted into divinity), then it might very well be less of an AssPull and more that the author is using something that is less well known. The mystic [mystery] cults (such as the Cult of Iris, the Gnostics, the Imperial Cult, the bacchic rites [the Dionysus mysteries], and Christianity [originally]) were a major part of the Roman Empire's religious landscape in the late BC to 312 AD (Constantine established the Roman Empire as Christian). So, it's probably more of a case that Roirdan is fully aware of these historical events (they're common knowledge in the field), so, it's actually a case of shown their work/research, instead.
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** Historically: the emperors of Rome were considered gods in certain ways. That is, if the Imperial Cult was right and some of the emperors received divinity through the Senate (it's complex, let's just say that 'worthy' caesars were voted into divinity), then it might very well be less of an AssPull and more that the author is using something that is less well known. The mystic cults (such as the Cult of Iris, the Gnostics, the Imperial Cult, and Christianity [originally]) were a major part of the Roman Empire's religious landscape in the late BC to 312 AD (Constantine established the Roman Empire as Christian). So, it's probably more of a case that Roirdan is fully aware of these historical events (they're common knowledge in the field), so, it's actually a case of shown their work/research, instead.
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** Though in the book it was mentioned explicitly they never actually died.
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* AssPull: The villains being [[spoiler: the emperors of Rome]]. At this point, it feels like Riordan's running out of mythological source material, and we suddenly have these characters to deal with, despite the Doors of Death plot being done already.
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** [[spoiler:Meg's betrayal]] it utterly breaks Apollo at that point in the book and while she ultimately does the right thing, [[spoiler:Nero's]] hold on her is too strong to break at this point.
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** This exchange from ''House of Hades''

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** This exchange from ''House of Hades''Hades''. Turns out Octavian was only ''funded'' by this.
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** This exchange from ''House of Hades''
-->'''Rachel:''' Octavian, son of Apollo, you should take this more seriously. Even Romans respected your father's Oracle of Delphi.
-->'''Octavian:''' Ha! You're the Oracle of Delphi? Right. And I'm the [[spoiler:Emperor Nero]]!
-->'''Grover:''' At least [[spoiler:Nero]] could play music.
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* DieForOurShip: Paolo Montes, a new camper from Hebe Cabin, seems to be getting a mild version of this from certain Nico/Will shippers. There's a rising trend of fanfiction writers [[RonTheDeathEater completely vilifying]] Paolo - who only appears in a few scenes in ''The Hidden Oracle'' - all because Will [[FelonyMisdemeanor stared at his arms a little too long]].
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** Apollo being bisexual was also common in fanon.

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** Apollo being bisexual was also common in fanon. Though that should never have been a surprise, since he was in Mythology as well.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Carrying over from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'', Nico di Angelo.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Carrying over from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'', Nico di Angelo. Reactions on sites like tumblr are disproportionately more about him than, say, Apollo or Meg.
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** Pretty much everyone predicted that Nico and Will would be in the book, but whether or not they'd be explicitly referred to as a couple was questioned.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A [[WickedStepmother wicked stepfather]] who happens to be the sociopathic (Former) head of state? [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Funny coincidence.]]
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** Apollo tells Percy that one of the previous times he was turned mortal was for killing the Cyclopes who created the lightning bolt that killed one of his demigod children. He admits later in the book, [[spoiler:after seeing the way Nero has manipulated and abused Meg into loving him while also fearing his wrath]], that it wasn't an accidental or irrational decision. He compares the way [[spoiler:Nero]] talks about [[spoiler:his "Beast" side]] to the way Zeus would talk about his lightning bolt before punishing Apollo with it, and says that he hated the lightning bolt because it was easier than hating his father.
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** In addition to that, [[spoilers: when he expresses his desire for eternal companionship/marriage, but saying that it's not in his destiny.]]

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** In addition to that, [[spoilers: [[spoiler: when he expresses his desire for eternal companionship/marriage, but saying that it's not in his destiny.]]
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* TearJerker: Any time Apollo thought about or [[spoiler: expressed his own suppressed guilt]] over Daphne and Hyacinthus.
** In addition to that, [[spoilers: when he expresses his desire for eternal companionship/marriage, but saying that it's not in his destiny.]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Carrying over from ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'', Nico di Angelo.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler: "Percy Jackson [[BigDamHeroes had arrived]]."]]

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler: "Percy Jackson [[BigDamHeroes [[BigDamnHeroes had arrived]]."]]
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler: "Percy Jackson [[BigDamHeroes had arrived]]."]]
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** Apollo being bisexual was also common in fanon.
* LGBTFanbase: Started with the previous series, but Apollo being bisexual and showing that, in-universe, they are actually ''accepted'' and oftentimes even treated as normal is another big step.
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** [[FridgeBrilliance Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.]]

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** [[FridgeBrilliance Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.]]]] By the time it becomes revealed in-universe, the people who see it are of course, people who haven't seen those powers before.

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It says quite clearly on the page for And The Fandom Rejoiced not to link to it. It is for in-universe examples and links from the descriptions at the beginning of related trope pages only. And that's not getting into the fact that there's really no excuse for adding a single second-level bullet below a first-level bullet that was added in the same edit. And tropes go alphabetically by name. And never get second-level bullets for any reason. And get separate entries; they never get doubled up.


* AndTheFandomRejoiced: ''Two'' Rick Riordan books in one calendar year? We're being spoiled for sure.
** And the main characters are Apollo himself and [[spoiler: Demeter's daughter]]? Finally - they got the shaft in ''Heroes of Olympus''.
* CaptainObviousReveal / The UnTwist: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.
** FridgeBrilliance: Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.

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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: ''Two'' Rick Riordan books in one calendar year? We're being spoiled for sure.
** And the main characters are Apollo himself and [[spoiler: Demeter's daughter]]? Finally - they got the shaft in ''Heroes of Olympus''.
* CaptainObviousReveal / The UnTwist:
CaptainObviousReveal: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.
** FridgeBrilliance: [[FridgeBrilliance Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots. dots.]]



* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Without getting into anything age inappropriate, Apollo makes it absolutely crystal clear that not only is he attracted to men as well as women, but that he's perfectly happy about it. He's also perfectly happy that his son is in a relationship with another boy, so long as his son is happy. He's also perfectly happy to have children with another man. One need look no further than ''The Hidden Oracle's'' Amazon reviews to see the kind of prejudice [=LGBT=]+ individuals can be subjected to, so while Apollo might be going a little out of his way to emphasize non-heterosexuality is nothing to be ashamed about, it's also very timely. Several fans have expressed hope that [=LGBT=]+ youth will be able to see themselves represented in the books.

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* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Without getting into anything age inappropriate, Apollo makes it absolutely crystal clear that not only is he attracted to men as well as women, but that he's perfectly happy about it. He's also perfectly happy that his son is in a relationship with another boy, so long as his son is happy. He's also perfectly happy to have children with another man. One need look no further than ''The Hidden Oracle's'' Amazon reviews to see the kind of prejudice [=LGBT=]+ individuals can be subjected to, so while Apollo might be going a little out of his way to emphasize non-heterosexuality is nothing to be ashamed about, it's also very timely. Several fans have expressed hope that [=LGBT=]+ youth will be able to see themselves represented in the books.books.
* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].
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** Borders on CannotSpitItOut. Apollo tries several times to connect the dots and thinks he has a good idea, but can't confirm it as his mortal brain is cutoff from all of his immortal knowledge. He does surmise Chiron figured it out.



* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].

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* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].years]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Without getting into anything age inappropriate, Apollo makes it absolutely crystal clear that not only is he attracted to men as well as women, but that he's perfectly happy about it. He's also perfectly happy that his son is in a relationship with another boy, so long as his son is happy. He's also perfectly happy to have children with another man. One need look no further than ''The Hidden Oracle's'' Amazon reviews to see the kind of prejudice [=LGBT=]+ individuals can be subjected to, so while Apollo might be going a little out of his way to emphasize non-heterosexuality is nothing to be ashamed about, it's also very timely. Several fans have expressed hope that [=LGBT=]+ youth will be able to see themselves represented in the books.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: CaptainObviousReveal / The UnTwist: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.



* ValuesDissonance: Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].

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* IKnewIt: From Fanon, it was common to assume that [[spoiler: Demeter's children had GreenThumb as one of their powers]].
* ValuesDissonance: In-universe. Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: ''Two'' Rick Riordan books in one calendar year? We're being spoiled for sure.
** And the main characters are Apollo himself and [[spoiler: Demeter's daughter]]? Finally - they got the shaft in ''Heroes of Olympus''.
* CaptainObviousReveal: It's rather obvious to the reader that Meg's divine parentage is most likely [[spoiler: Demeter]] simply because of the [[GreenThumb weaponised plant matter]] and the appearance of Peaches. In-universe, nobody seems to be able to connect the dots.
** FridgeBrilliance: Of course, take a look at who would witness her powers - most people would either not know (Percy) or be too muddled to connect the dots.
* ValuesDissonance: Nico and Will sit at the same table at camp and are pretty obviously a couple. Apollo doesn't find this weird at all - instead he notes that Nico is sitting at ''his'' table and not at the ''Hades table''. [[BiTheWay Apollo, however, completely understands why they would be so close to one another and doesn't find this odd at all - after all he does mention that he had a lot of boyfriends over the years]].

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