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** Kokutan-douji, considering that he ends up having to execute a woman who was like a mother to him and [[spoiler:fails to meet his sister again, which is the whole reason he reincarnated to begin with.]]
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** Kokutan-douji, considering that he ends up having to execute a woman who was like a mother to him and [[spoiler:fails to meet his sister again, which is the whole reason he reincarnated to begin with.]]]]
** Rin Miroku also qualifies for similar reasons--not only does she lose her mother and her sister in quick succession, but she [[spoiler:is also Riliane's reincarnation and was born with the constant feeling that she was waiting for someone--namely Allen--throughout her life. When she regains her memories, she expresses determination to stay alive just long enough to meet Allen again and tries to fight Kayo with the help of the Demon of Pride...only for said demon to not respond and Kayo to murder her]].
** Rin Miroku also qualifies for similar reasons--not only does she lose her mother and her sister in quick succession, but she [[spoiler:is also Riliane's reincarnation and was born with the constant feeling that she was waiting for someone--namely Allen--throughout her life. When she regains her memories, she expresses determination to stay alive just long enough to meet Allen again and tries to fight Kayo with the help of the Demon of Pride...only for said demon to not respond and Kayo to murder her]].
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I wholeheartedly disagree that there wasn't time to develop the plot threads introduced in the first chapter, there was plenty discussed in the later chapters and plenty resolved. (Kayo's husband, for example, may not have gotten a lot of pages but he got a whole chapter to himself
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Due to the structure of the novel, while many plot threads are hinted at or suggested during the first chapter (the bulk of the story), many do not get resolved until very late, with little time to focus on them. For example, Kayo's husband's story shows up in the prologue but then only gets about 30 pages of development at the end due to [[spoiler: being the monk that shows up after it's all over]].TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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* {{Fanon}}: After the twist in the novel, a lot of fans like to interpret the songs as being [[spoiler:a representation of the alternate timeline where Kayo really did kill Kai out of envy, albeit in that timeline Kayo wouldn't have been in Lukana's body. Others view the song as being a representation of Kayo's false testimony.]]
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* {{Fanon}}: After the twist in the novel, a lot of fans like to interpret the songs Tailor of Enbizaka song as being [[spoiler:a representation of the alternate timeline where Kayo really did kill Kai out of envy, albeit in that timeline Kayo wouldn't have been in Lukana's body. Others view the song as being a representation of Kayo's false testimony.]]
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a "demon contractor" Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.]]
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* {{Fanon}}: After the twist in the novel, a lot of fans like to interpret the songs as being [[spoiler:a representation of the alternate timeline where Kayo really did kill Kai out of envy, albeit in that timeline Kayo wouldn't have been in Lukana's body. Others view the song as being a representation of Kayo's false testimony.]]
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a "demon contractor" Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.]] ]]
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a "demon contractor" Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a demon contractor Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.]]
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a demon contractor "demon contractor" Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.]]
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The narrator, [[spoiler:who is actually Kagura and not the Demon of Envy,]] hopes in the end that Kayo will be happy in death even if she falls into hell. Readers view this as a tragic wish, since as a demon contractor Kayo's soul doesn't have very good prospects. [[spoiler:But we learn in the final novel that Gumillia actually ''did'' spare Kayo from hell out of favoritism, in essence granting Kagura's wish.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]]] Notably, the latter debate actually appears in the story itself.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the book is ''very'' dividing among fans (mainly due to one rather infamous twist), most fans agree to loving Kokutan and his party, especially Saruteito.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the book is ''very'' dividing among fans (mainly due to one rather infamous twist), most fans agree to loving Kokutan and his party, especially Saruteito. Saruteito, even though they get a relatively little amount of screentime.
* JerkassWoobie: Kiji Yarera. The {{Jerkass}} part comes when he fully intends to murder someone on the idea that they ''might'' be responsible for killing his love, and his rude behavior towards Kokutan and his friends. (Besides which, the Yarera family has never been completely clean morally.) The woobie part comes in when you remember that his wife and ''unborn child'' have both been murdered by someone and the police have no leads at all.
* JerkassWoobie: Kiji Yarera. The {{Jerkass}} part comes when he fully intends to murder someone on the idea that they ''might'' be responsible for killing his love, and his rude behavior towards Kokutan and his friends. (Besides which, the Yarera family has never been completely clean morally.) The woobie part comes in when you remember that his wife and ''unborn child'' have both been murdered by someone and the police have no leads at all.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku family, particularly Rin. Some of the fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from here.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from here.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku family, particularly Rin. Rin (even if him not meeting Rin was intentional.) Some of the fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development.
development, as well as being unnecessary angst for [[spoiler:Rin Miroku as Riliane.]]
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** Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and infant son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home with absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse fromhere.here.
** Kokutan-douji, considering that he ends up having to execute a woman who was like a mother to him and [[spoiler:fails to meet his sister again, which is the whole reason he reincarnated to begin with.]]
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** Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and infant son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home with absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from
** Kokutan-douji, considering that he ends up having to execute a woman who was like a mother to him and [[spoiler:fails to meet his sister again, which is the whole reason he reincarnated to begin with.]]
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Prove that this is a common fan consensus and not just you taking my personal comment.
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]] Then there's the fans who don't have an overt problem with the twist itself, but feel that it [[spoiler: takes away what made Kayo (and consequently the Envy arc) interesting and instead turns her into a watered down Nemesis.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]] Then there's the fans who don't have an overt problem with the twist itself, but feel that it [[spoiler: takes away what made Kayo (and consequently the Envy arc) interesting and instead turns her into a watered down Nemesis.]] ]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]]] Then there's the fans who don't have an overt problem with the twist itself, but feel that it [[spoiler: takes away what made Kayo (and consequently the Envy arc) interesting and instead turns her into a watered down Nemesis.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a small split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]
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* BrokenBase: There's a small strong split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the book is ''very'' dividing among fans (mainly due to one rather infamous twist), most fans agree to loving Kokutan and his party, especially Saruteito.
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I would also not say MANY of them teeter out. Again, no one has read the novel in its entirety. As a matter of fact, the example used is one where his loose end is fully wrapped up and concluded.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku's. Some of the fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development.
** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku's. Some of the fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many Due to the structure of the novel, while many plot threads in are hinted at or suggested during the book either teeter out or go nowhere content wise, first chapter (the bulk of the story), many do not helped by the books strange structure. Most blatantly, the story of [[spoiler: Gakusha, get resolved until very late, with little time to focus on them. For example, Kayo's amnesiac husband]] is told over husband's story shows up in the prologue but then only gets about 30 pages of development at the end due to [[spoiler: being the monk that shows up after it's all over]].
** The reaction of at least half the fanbase when it was revealed that [[spoiler: the story was never about Kayo's madness in her song but rather a revenge scheme]], with some feeling that [[spoiler: the song's story andhe more or less vanishes from the narrative afterwards.
mental state]] was interesting in its own right and deserved to be expanded upon.
** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with theMiroku's.Miroku family, particularly Rin. Some of the fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development.
** The reaction of at least half the fanbase when it was revealed that [[spoiler: the story was never about Kayo's madness in her song but rather a revenge scheme]], with some feeling that [[spoiler: the song's story and
** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the
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This trope is not for the purpose of critiquing the novel under the guise of split fan opinion. The majority of these complaints (which of those the only ones I\'ve seen were about the plot twist and wasted plotlines) would be from a fanbase that hasn\'t actually read the novel itself. This trope is for when the percieved quality of a work compared to its predecessors is seen as either being better worse for improving on/changing what earlier installments did. Several of these points (a scope bigger than the novel itself, plot twists that don\'t entirely service the plot, odd pacing) were all present in Pierrot and none of these things mattered to fans then. So regardless of whether or not they count as actual flaws, it\'s not for this trope. | The issue of alternate universes and complaints about why the plot didn\'t happen has nothing to do with the trope of wasted plots. | Pierrot is not the most well-recieved novel in the series. It\'s just a recent release. The Story of Evil novels would probably be the most well recieved, particularly when they were first coming out. Furthermore, again, very few people have been complaining about this novel with Pierrot in mind. If anything, people are complaining about Tailor because both Pierrot and Gift had Wham Episode plot twists | Behemo was present throughout the entire novel—not a one scene wonder.
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* ContestedSequel: Fan opinion is split heavily on the novels quality. While most agree the book did a great job making one sympathise with Kayo's character and that the book had some fascinating WorldBuilding, for many the book exemplifies the majority of the problems the franchise suffered from, including terrible pacing, wasted plotlines and characters, a scope too big for the novel itself, plot twists that come out of nowhere and are under-explained and ultimately accomplishing little for the ongoing plot.
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: It may not of been for very long, but fans still cheered when Behemo came back.]]
* ToughActToFollow: ''LightNovel/FifthPierrot'' was one of the best received novels in the series, broke ground with a shocking yet well done WhamEpisode and set up the franchises latter half. There was no way that could be matched, though weather the novel was still good is a point of contention.
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: It may not of been for very long, but fans still cheered when Behemo came back.]]
* ToughActToFollow: ''LightNovel/FifthPierrot'' was one of the best received novels in the series, broke ground with a shocking yet well done WhamEpisode and set up the franchises latter half. There was no way that could be matched, though weather the novel was still good is a point of contention.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku's didn't go down well with the fandom, since many felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development. The rather limp and vague justification as to why [[spoiler: Allen and Riliane can't reunite]] didn't help, nor did several implications that increased fans fears that [[spoiler: alternate universes]] would becomea PlotTumour.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku's didn't go down well with Miroku's. Some of the fandom, since many fandom felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development. The rather limp and vague justification as to why [[spoiler: Allen and Riliane can't reunite]] didn't help, nor did several implications that increased fans fears that [[spoiler: alternate universes]] would becomea PlotTumour. development.
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* ContestedSequel: Fan opinion is split heavily on the novels quality. While most agree the book did a great job making one sympathise with Kayo's character and that the book had some fascinating WorldBuilding, for many the book exemplifies the majority of the problems the franchise suffered from, including terrible pacing, wasted plotlines and characters, a scope too big for the novel itself, plot twists that come out of nowhere and are under-explained and ultimately accomplishing little for the ongoing plot.
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: It may not of been for very long, but fans still cheered when Behemo came back.]]
* ToughActToFollow: ''LightNovel/FifthPierrot'' was one of the best received novels in the series, broke ground with a shocking yet well done WhamEpisode and set up the franchises latter half. There was no way that could be matched, though weather the novel was still good is a point of contention.
* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler: It may not of been for very long, but fans still cheered when Behemo came back.]]
* ToughActToFollow: ''LightNovel/FifthPierrot'' was one of the best received novels in the series, broke ground with a shocking yet well done WhamEpisode and set up the franchises latter half. There was no way that could be matched, though weather the novel was still good is a point of contention.
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** The fact that Kokutan never gets to meet or interact with the Miroku's didn't go down well with the fandom, since many felt it wasted Allen's presence and prevented interesting development. The rather limp and vague justification as to why [[spoiler: Allen and Riliane can't reunite]] didn't help, nor did several implications that increased fans fears that [[spoiler: alternate universes]] would becomea PlotTumour.
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* BrokenBase: There's a small split regarding the novel's final twist that [[spoiler: Kayo killed Kai and his family not out of yandere delusions as was stated in the song, but because she realized he was the one responsible for her family's death]]. Some fans are pleased because it gives more depth to the motivations of the killings that wasn't there before, whereas some fans are upset that the story they came to know from the song and were excited to see is technically [[spoiler: canon for another universe]]. In addition to that, there's been several debates over whether or not what Kayo did [[spoiler: can now technically be called Envy, what with her motivations being ostensibly revenge based.]]
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Come on now, it can\'t be completely out of nowhere if it\'s foreshadowed. Which it is (such as the one in the scissors not displaying the characteristic speech patterns of a demon, and Kayo showing signs of a contract despite nothing indicated she contracted at all).
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* ShockingSwerve: While previous novels were accused of this, this book is ''full'' of it. In particular [[spoiler: Kayo being the Demon of Envy's child, and said demon really being Levia and Behemo's mother]] comes out of utter nowhere.
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* ShockingSwerve: While previous novels were accused of this, this book is ''full'' of it. In particular [[spoiler: Kayo being the Demon of Envy's child, and said demon really being Levia and Behemo's mother]] comes out of utter nowhere.
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* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from here.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many of the plot threads in the book either teeter out or go nowhere content wise, not helped by the books strange structure. Most blatantly, the story of [[spoiler: Gakusha, Kayo's amnesiac husband]] is told over 30 pages and he more or less vanishes from the narrative afterwards.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from here.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say it gets worse from here.
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* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say ItGetsWorse it gets worse from here.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: The reveal that [[spoiler: Gakusha is Kayo's husband]] is hinted at so heavily that it almost seems like an anti-twist, with the way its presented, one might be surprised with how late the reveal actually occurs in the story.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: The reveal that [[spoiler: Gakusha is Kayo's husband]] is hinted at so heavily that it almost seems like an anti-twist, with the way its presented, one might be surprised with how late the reveal actually occurs in the story.story.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say ItGetsWorse from here.
* TheWoobie: Kayo. From the beginning, she (at the age of 16) loses her husband and son to a horrific fire, suffers significant mental scars due to the event and is taken by her family who, after learning she lacks the Octo family treasure, kick her out and leave her at her old home absolutely no support. Needless to say ItGetsWorse from here.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Everyone called [[spoiler: Gakusha being Kayo's husband, owing to his burns, amnesia and the fact that he sung the song about her death]] after the site went up. Guess what was revealed in the novel itself?
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