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** Of course, Lisa also comes off as a brat in this episode. While she did work hard on the centerpiece, the whole thing was a vanity project and refuses to give Bart the benefit of the doubt of it being destroyed by accident. Not to mention, Bart was [[StrawmanHasAPoint holding a hot turkey]] during the incident and putting it on the table was perfectly reasonable. She ''does'' get something of a comeuppance...her self-righteous speech about unappreciated she is gets interrupted by the news broadcast.
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** Of course, Lisa also comes off as a brat in this episode. While she did work hard on the centerpiece, the whole thing was a vanity project and refuses to give Bart the benefit of the doubt of it being destroyed by accident. Not to mention, Bart was [[StrawmanHasAPoint holding a hot turkey]] during the incident and putting it on the table was perfectly reasonable. She ''does'' get something of a comeuppance...her self-righteous speech about how unappreciated she is gets interrupted by the news broadcast.
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** Of course, Lisa also comes off as a brat in this episode. While she did work hard on the centerpiece, the whole thing was a vanity project and refuses to give Bart the benefit of the doubt of it being destroyed by accident. Not to mention, Bart was [[StrawmanHasAPoint holding a hot turkey]] during the incident and putting it on the table was perfectly reasonable. She ''does'' get something of a comeuppance...her self-righteous speech about unappreciated she is gets interrupted by the news broadcast.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].* WhatAnIdiot:
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].Thanksgiving"]].
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* NeverLiveItDown: Ironically, despite {{Forgiveness}} being the theme of this episode, some viewers aren't forgiving towards Marge and Homer for punishing Bart. [[BrokenBase On the other hand]], others aren't forgiving towards Bart for making Lisa cry by throwing her centerpiece into the fireplace ''on purpose''.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Ironically, despite {{Forgiveness}} being the theme of this episode, some viewers aren't forgiving towards Marge and Homer for punishing Bart. [[BrokenBase On the other hand]], others aren't forgiving towards Bart for making Lisa cry by throwing her centerpiece into the fireplace (possibly ''on purpose''.purpose'').
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
** This can also apply to Lisa, as she made her centerpiece with blatantly feminist overtones.
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** This can also apply to Lisa, as she made her centerpiece with blatantly feminist overtones.
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** This can also apply to Lisa, as she made her centerpiece with blatantly feminist overtones.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and causing trouble in the other episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite on live television.
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* HilariousInHindsight: During Bart's ImagineSpot of the family blaming him for everything, Homer yells at Bart: "It's your fault I'm bald!" In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E13AndMaggieMakesThree And Maggie Makes Three]]," we learn this is at least partly true as that episode shows that Homer's baldness came about by him ripping out his hair each time he learned Marge was pregnant.
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** During Bart's ImagineSpot of the family blaming him for everything, Homer yells at Bart: "It's your fault I'm bald!" In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E13AndMaggieMakesThree And Maggie Makes Three]]," we learn this is at least partly true as that episode shows that Homer's baldness came about by him ripping out his hair each time he learned Marge waspregnant.pregnant.
** When Homer mentions why you can't have "every flash-in-the-pan character" as a parade balloon, a Bart balloon is briefly visible on the Simpsons' TV. At this stage the show's producers were in all likelihood expecting that the show would run for a few years and then fizzle out, but as it would turn out, the show ended up being ''much'' more of a LongRunner than they could have ever dreamed. True, Bart's role has been heavily overshadowed by that of Homer, and to a lesser extent Lisa in the show's later years, but he hasn't done too badly all things considered.
** During Bart's ImagineSpot of the family blaming him for everything, Homer yells at Bart: "It's your fault I'm bald!" In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E13AndMaggieMakesThree And Maggie Makes Three]]," we learn this is at least partly true as that episode shows that Homer's baldness came about by him ripping out his hair each time he learned Marge was
** When Homer mentions why you can't have "every flash-in-the-pan character" as a parade balloon, a Bart balloon is briefly visible on the Simpsons' TV. At this stage the show's producers were in all likelihood expecting that the show would run for a few years and then fizzle out, but as it would turn out, the show ended up being ''much'' more of a LongRunner than they could have ever dreamed. True, Bart's role has been heavily overshadowed by that of Homer, and to a lesser extent Lisa in the show's later years, but he hasn't done too badly all things considered.
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away]], they are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]], and they even go as far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away]], they are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]], and they even go as far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.scene, and Bart reacted to Homer's ordering him to his room with a smartass remark (which in turn led to Marge's accusation that he'd ruined Thanksgiving), which just escalated the situation and made it clear that even if his destroying Lisa's centrepiece ''was'' accidental, he didn't feel any remorse over it.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centrepiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.
* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece centerpiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centrepiece centerpiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.
* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without any remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without any remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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** Lisa tells Maggie about her Thanksgiving centerpiece which pays tribute to female trailblazers, Lisa points out one that's was a barely recognized name: Marjory Stoneman Douglas[[note]]Who was an advocate for the Florida Everglades and the women's Sufferage movement[[/note]]. Watching the episode now, especially given the February 14th, 2018 shooting at the Florida high school named after her, Marjory Stoneman Douglas' name might be recognized by both the high school and the tragic shooting.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and causing trouble in the other episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite on live television.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge declared Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge declared Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and causing trouble in the other episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite on live television.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Margedeclared to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge
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** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries]].
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** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely[[https://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries]].org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuriesand the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centrepiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it lands in the fire outright[[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centrepiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it lands in sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire outright[[/note]] had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fire fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle. tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centrepiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it lands in the fire outright[[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident.accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fire or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle. From either perspective Bart can be considered a BrattyHalfPint who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fire or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle. From either perspective Bart can be considered a BrattyHalfPint remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centrepiece into the fire or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle. From either perspective Bart can be considered a BrattyHalfPint who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeEvil ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded for it.over a genuine accident.
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* HilariousInHindsight: During Bart's ImagineSpot of the family blaming him for everything, Homer yells at Bart: "It's your fault I'm bald!" In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E13AndMaggieMakesThree And Maggie Makes Three]]," we learn this is at least partly true as that episode shows that Homer's baldness came about by him ripping out his hair each time he learned Marge was pregnant.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and acts in the other episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite.
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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** Lisa tells Maggie about her Thanksgiving centerpiece which pays tribute to female trailblazers, Lisa points out one that's was a barely recoginized name Marjory Stoneman Douglas[[note]]Who was an advocate for the Florida Everglades and the women's Sufferage movement[[/note]]. Watching the episode now, especially given the February 14th, 2018 shooting at the Florida high school named after her, Marjory Stoneman Douglas' name might be recognized by both the high school and the tragic shooting.
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** Lisa tells Maggie about her Thanksgiving centerpiece which pays tribute to female trailblazers, Lisa points out one that's was a barely recoginized name recognized name: Marjory Stoneman Douglas[[note]]Who was an advocate for the Florida Everglades and the women's Sufferage movement[[/note]]. Watching the episode now, especially given the February 14th, 2018 shooting at the Florida high school named after her, Marjory Stoneman Douglas' name might be recognized by both the high school and the tragic shooting.
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** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries]].
** Lisa tells Maggie about her Thanksgiving centerpiece which pays tribute to female trailblazers, Lisa points out one that's was a barely recoginized name Marjory Stoneman Douglas[[note]]Who was an advocate for the Florida Everglades and the women's Sufferage movement[[/note]]. Watching the episode now, especially given the February 14th, 2018 shooting at the Florida high school named after her, Marjory Stoneman Douglas' name might be recognized by both the high school and the tragic shooting.
** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries]].
** Lisa tells Maggie about her Thanksgiving centerpiece which pays tribute to female trailblazers, Lisa points out one that's was a barely recoginized name Marjory Stoneman Douglas[[note]]Who was an advocate for the Florida Everglades and the women's Sufferage movement[[/note]]. Watching the episode now, especially given the February 14th, 2018 shooting at the Florida high school named after her, Marjory Stoneman Douglas' name might be recognized by both the high school and the tragic shooting.
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** Can also apply to Lisa; Bart is carrying a heavy and hot turkey, and clearly needs to put it down as soon as he can. Lisa could have easily slid her centrepiece to the side so that he had room to.
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** Can also apply to Lisa; Bart is carrying a heavy and hot turkey, and clearly needs to put it down as soon as he can. Lisa could have easily slid her centrepiece centerpiece to the side so that he had room to.
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece, centerpiece into the fire, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away.]] Both of themselves are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]]. Even going far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away.]] Both of themselves away]], they are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]]. Even going base]], and they even go as far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and acts in the other episodes. Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase While the other side,]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge was at her wit's end but it was still harsh by declaring Bart ruined Thanksgiving. Not to mention that she could've said something not as harshly by [[OrderedApology forcing Bart to apologize,]] and siding with Lisa without hearing Bart's side of the story. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase While the other side,]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge was at her wit's end but it was still harsh by declaring Bart ruined Thanksgiving. Not to mention that she could've said something not as harshly by [[OrderedApology forcing Bart to apologize,]] and siding with Lisa without hearing Bart's side of the story. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and acts in the other episodes. episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBaseWhile the other side,]] This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge declared Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end but it was still harsh by declaring Bart ruined Thanksgiving. Not to mention that she could've said something not as harshly by [[OrderedApology forcing Bart to apologize,]] and siding with Lisa without hearing Bart's side of the story.end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
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* TheWoobie: If there's one thing the fans can agree on, it's that Lisa is definitely one here; she never did anything wrong yet she gets her centerpiece thrashed and blames herself for Bart running away; poor little girl...
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* TheWoobie: If there's one thing the fans can agree on, it's that Lisa is definitely one here; she never did anything wrong yet she gets her centerpiece thrashed and blames herself for Bart running away; poor little girl...away.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Crossing with SkewedPriorities, Bart tries to put the turkey where Lisa's centerpiece is when there is actually implied room for the turkey where Homer is sitting, judging by Homer's eagerness to carve the turkey.
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** Crossing with SkewedPriorities, Bart tries to put the turkey where Lisa's centerpiece is when there is actually implied room for the turkey where Homer is sitting, judging by Homer's eagerness to carve theturkey.turkey.
** Can also apply to Lisa; Bart is carrying a heavy and hot turkey, and clearly needs to put it down as soon as he can. Lisa could have easily slid her centrepiece to the side so that he had room to.
** Crossing with SkewedPriorities, Bart tries to put the turkey where Lisa's centerpiece is when there is actually implied room for the turkey where Homer is sitting, judging by Homer's eagerness to carve the
** Can also apply to Lisa; Bart is carrying a heavy and hot turkey, and clearly needs to put it down as soon as he can. Lisa could have easily slid her centrepiece to the side so that he had room to.
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Fans view them all as this.
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart.
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* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece, without remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the two not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MYGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away.]] Both of themselves are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]]. Even going far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.
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* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MYGodWhatHaveIDone [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away.]] Both of themselves are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]]. Even going far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, and Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase While the other side,]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge was at her wit's end but it was still harsh by declaring Bart ruined Thanksgiving. Not to mention that she could've said something not as harshly by [[OrderedApology forcing Bart to apologize,]] and siding with Lisa without hearing Bart's side of the story. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase While the other side,]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, Marge was at her wit's end but it was still harsh by declaring Bart ruined Thanksgiving. Not to mention that she could've said something not as harshly by [[OrderedApology forcing Bart to apologize,]] and siding with Lisa without hearing Bart's side of the story. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]]until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite of this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and pulling mean-spirited pranks and acts in the other episodes. Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]]until to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite.
