History YMMV / TheSimpsonsS2E7BartVsThanksgiving

* HarsherInHindsight: The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of the [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have been similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon got tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].

* HarsherInHindsight:
** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of the [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have been similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon got tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].
** One of the women featured on Lisa's centerpiece is environmentalist and novelist Marjory Stoneman Douglas. Her name would soon become known internationally after a 2018 mass shooting at a Florida high school named after her.

** One of the women featured on Lisa's centerpiece is environmentalist and novelist Marjory Stoneman Douglas. Her name would soon become known internationally after a mass shooting at a Florida high school named after her.

** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].

** It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centerpiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it.]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.

* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and Lou and Eddie were shocked to hear about it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire (and even if it ''was'' an accident, Bart's smartass remark suggested that he didn't feel bad about it). Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]

* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and Lou and Eddie were shocked to hear about it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without any remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]

* NeverLiveItDown: Ironically, despite {{Forgiveness}} being the theme of this episode, some viewers aren't forgiving towards Marge and Homer for punishing Bart. This is despite them [[WasTooHardOnHim showing remorse for making Bart run away]], Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood having done worse things to Bart without issue]], Marge being at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene, and Bart reacted to Homer's ordering him to his room with a smartass remark (which in turn led to Marge's accusation that he'd ruined Thanksgiving), which just escalated the situation and made it clear that even if his destroying Lisa's centrepiece ''was'' accidental, he didn't feel any remorse over it.

* TheWoobie: If there's one thing the fans can agree on, it's that Lisa is definitely one here. She never did anything wrong, yet her centerpiece which she worked so hard on gets thrashed and she blames herself for Bart running away.

** Was Homer getting Patty and Selma's names wrong a mistake or intentional on the creators' part? And if it ''was'' intentional, was it out of stupidity or MaliciousMisnaming?

** Was Homer getting Patty and Selma's names wrong a mistake on the creators' part, or did he do it on purpose? And if he ''did'' do it on purpose, was it out of stupidity or MaliciousMisnaming?

** Did Homer get Patty and Selma's names wrong out of stupidity or MaliciousMisnaming?

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centerpiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it.]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuries and the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].
* HarsherInHindsight: One of the women featured on Lisa's centerpiece is environmentalist and novelist Marjory Stoneman Douglas. Her name would soon become known internationally after a mass shooting at a Florida high school named after her.

* BrokenBase: Did Bart ''really'' deserve to be punished? ''Were'' Marge and Homer a bit too harsh on him? The viewers who see the latter finds Bart's punishment [[DisproportionateRetribution too far, even for someone like Bart.]] Especially considering it's on Thanksgiving and when [[WhatTheHellHero Lou and Eddie called them out]] for it, [[WasTooHardOnHim regretful or not.]] For the viewers who see the former [[JerkassHasAPoint defends Marge and Homer]] by stating that Bart '''purposely''' threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fire, without any remorse. Considering how much of a pain Bart can be, along with the fact the parents not only have to deal with their relatives and the preparation of the feast itself in Marge's case. One's patience can go so far, especially if one has a child like Bart. [[TakeAThirdOption However, there is a third group of fans who see that all of them were just as selfish.]]

* WhatAnIdiot:
** Crossing with SkewedPriorities, Bart tries to put the turkey where Lisa's centerpiece is when there is actually implied room for the turkey where Homer is sitting, judging by Homer's eagerness to carve the turkey.
** This can also apply to Lisa; Bart is carrying a heavy and hot turkey, and clearly needs to put it down as soon as he can. Lisa could have easily slid her centerpiece to the side so that he had room to.

* TheWoobie: If there's one thing the fans can agree on, it's that Lisa is definitely one here; she never did anything wrong yet she gets her centerpiece thrashed and blames herself for Bart running away.

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuriesand the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].

* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** The opening scene when Bart and Homer watch the Springfield Thanksgiving Day Parade, it shows the antler of [[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Bullwinkle]] balloon springing a leak, in the years since the episode's first airing there have similar incidents involving balloons: in 1993 a Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog balloon collided with a lamppost and injured two spectators, in 1997 a Literature/TheCatInTheHat balloon toppled over a lamppost and left a child spectator in a coma for a month and at the 2005 Thanksgiving Day Parade a M&Ms balloon had tangled in a streetlight resulting in two sisters being injured [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy%27s_Thanksgiving_Day_Parade#Injuriesand the M&M's balloon being retired indefinitely]].

* NightmareFuel: Bart's ImagineSpot where his family uses him as a scapegoat while taunting and laughing at him could be considered unsettling for some.

* TheWoobie: If there's one thing the fans can agree on, it's that Lisa is definitely one here; she never did anything wrong yet she gets her centerpiece thrashed and blames herself for Bart running away.

* NeverLiveItDown: Ironically, despite {{Forgiveness}} being the theme of this episode, some viewers aren't forgiving towards Marge and Homer for punishing Bart. [[BrokenBase On the other hand]], others aren't forgiving towards Bart for making Lisa cry by throwing her centerpiece into the fireplace (possibly ''on purpose'').

* MisaimedFandom: Despite Homer and Marge [[JerkAssHasAPoint having every right to be angry at Bart and punishing him on Thanksgiving]], and [[WasTooHardOnHim shown remorse]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for making Bart run away]], they are seen as AbusiveParents [[BrokenBase for the other part of the fan base]], and they even go as far as [[{{Demonization}} outright demonizing]] [[RonTheDeathEater the two.]] Even though Homer [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood has done worse things to Bart]] in all the other episodes, Marge herself was at her RageBreakingPoint at that scene, and Bart reacted to Homer's ordering him to his room with a smartass remark (which in turn led to Marge's accusation that he'd ruined Thanksgiving), which just escalated the situation and made it clear that even if his destroying Lisa's centrepiece ''was'' accidental, he didn't feel any remorse over it.

* UnintentionallySympathetic: Bart [[BrokenBase for the part of the fan base]] that saw Homer and Marge as being too cruel in their punishment. Even worse when you consider that the rest of the adults never tried to get in between his argument with Lisa until her centerpiece was already destroyed. Despite this, even if one could ignore Bart destroying Lisa's centerpiece, and causing trouble in the other episodes, Bart [[TheUnapologetic refuses to apologize]] [[NeverMyFault and never saw any reason to]] until after running away. Speaking of which, when he was interviewed by Kent Brockman, Bart openly mocks his family and taunts them out of spite on live television.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
** To some extent, Lisa. While she did work hard on the centerpiece, the whole thing was a vanity project and she refuses to give Bart the benefit of the doubt of it being destroyed by accident. Not to mention, Bart was [[StrawmanHasAPoint holding a hot turkey during the incident and putting it on the table was perfectly reasonable]].

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[BrokenBase This site]] sees both Marge and Homer as this by punishing Bart on a holiday as going too far. Granted, it was harsh for Marge to declare that Bart ruined Thanksgiving but she was at her wit's end. As mentioned above, none of the adults tried to stop Bart and Lisa arguing until the latter's centerpiece was destroyed. It also helped that Lou and Eddie themselves thought Marge had been too hard on Bart, being [[WhatTheHellHero stunned when she confessed that she told him he "ruined Thanksgiving"]].
** Of course, Lisa also comes off as a brat in this episode. While she did work hard on the centerpiece, the whole thing was a vanity project and refuses to give Bart the benefit of the doubt of it being destroyed by accident. Not to mention, Bart was [[StrawmanHasAPoint holding a hot turkey]] during the incident and putting it on the table was perfectly reasonable. She ''does'' get something of a comeuppance...her self-righteous speech about how unappreciated she is gets interrupted by the news broadcast.

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's not specifically made clear whether Bart intentionally threw Lisa's centerpiece into the fireplace or inadvertently lunged it in there in their tussle.[[note]]The biggest clue is him having a brief triumphant smirk when the centerpiece flings out of the way, however he does seem somewhat stunned when it sets ablaze outright, especially since [[BrickJoke the fire had ironically failed to set alight until the centerpiece landed on it]][[/note]] From either perspective Bart can be considered a remorseless destructive brat who fails to see how hurtful his actions are, or a case of ThenLetMeBeEvil from getting scolded over a genuine accident, or perhaps more likely, a bit of both.