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** Harkat saying that he feels nostalgic upon going to Vampire Mountain, to which Darren jokes he might've been a vampire in his past life. Then ''Lake of Souls'' reveals he was Kurda.
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** The sheer amount of comments and jokes between Darren and Kurda/Harkat that become this when compared to their intertwined fates -- Kurda was supposed to become a Prince, and Darren was supposed to be executed on the stakes, but it ends up being the other way around, and both end up becoming Little People. There are comments that allude to all three of these things.
*** Harkat saying that he feels nostalgic upon going to Vampire Mountain, to which Darren jokes he might've been a vampire in his past life. Then ''Lake of Souls'' reveals he wasKurda.Kurda.
*** When Darren first meets Kurda, he asks how you become a Prince, and Kurda asks if he's thinking of applying for the job.
*** Harkat saying that he feels nostalgic upon going to Vampire Mountain, to which Darren jokes he might've been a vampire in his past life. Then ''Lake of Souls'' reveals he was
*** When Darren first meets Kurda, he asks how you become a Prince, and Kurda asks if he's thinking of applying for the job.
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** Also Kurda has been shipped with Darren, Glalda, Cyrus, Gavner, and Mika.
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** Also Kurda has been shipped with Darren, Glalda, Cyrus, Gavner, Vancha, and Mika.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want them to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few vampaneze who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want them to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable badly most vampaneze are]]. are depicted]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few vampaneze who are shown as likable in any way.way. Gannen Harst is a thoroughly good person, but you hardly ever get to see that, to the point where it's basically Fridge Heartwarming. There's also the fact that the vampaneze's appearances -- purple skin and red hair and eyes -- are supposed to look horrifying, even though Glalda and Gannen are quite attractive in the manga. On top of that, we're supposed to be happy that Vancha and Gannen are making peace babies with Evanna, but we don't get to see that future. The whole issue has a whiff of not-in-my-backyard about it.
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* NauseaFuel: Book 2 helpfully gives us a description of [[spoiler: the gruesome aftermath of the werewolf's attack on Sam Grest. Made even worse by the fact that he's only TWELVE YEARS OLD.]]
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* NauseaFuel: Book 2 helpfully gives us a description of [[spoiler: the gruesome aftermath of the werewolf's attack on Sam Grest. Made even worse by the fact that he's only TWELVE YEARS OLD.12.]]
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*** See it [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/darren_shan/v02/c012/10.html here in manga form]]. The initial image makes it even more of Nightmare fuel...
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** Replacing Debbie Hemlock (who is very obviously described as a black girl) with a white girl called Rebecca. And giving her a monkey tail possibly to deflect criticism over the RaceLift in the first place.
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** Replacing Debbie Hemlock (who is very obviously described as a black girl) dark-skinned) with a white girl called Rebecca. And giving her a monkey tail possibly to deflect criticism over the RaceLift in the first place.
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* ValuesDissonance: Setting example. Although the setting is vague, the books were written and published in Ireland, and the setting can be given away for one very specific plot point: Darren's fake funeral. In the UK, it can often take at least a week to have the wake and service. Ireland by contrast usually does things very quickly - within three or four days. The text implies that Darren was lying for only a couple of days.
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* ValuesDissonance: Setting example. Although the setting is vague, the books were written and published in Ireland, and the setting can be given away for one very specific plot point: Darren's fake funeral. In the UK, it can often take at least a week to have the wake and service. Ireland by contrast usually does things very quickly - within three or four days. The text implies that Darren was lying for only a couple of days. It's also very clearly Catholic.
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** Some fans think the vampaneze characters should have been developed more and making them more sympathetic instead of being either AxCrazy (Murlough, R.V) or sticking too much to their rules (Gannen). It would certainly have made Kurda's insistence of saving both sides seem much more well-founded.
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** Some fans think the vampaneze characters should have been developed more and making more, that the story should have made them more sympathetic sympathetic, instead of being having them all be either AxCrazy (Murlough, R.V) or sticking too much to their rules extremely strict (Gannen). It would certainly have made Kurda's insistence of saving both sides seem much more well-founded. As it is, it feels like it's trying to get credit for open-mindedness without actually showing any.
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** Book two mentions marijuana (or some other herbal drug; it's not mentioned by name) and 'shrooms.
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** Book two mentions marijuana (or some other herbal drug; it's not mentioned by name) and 'shrooms.has R.V. recommend drugs to three 12-year-olds, who don't get the reference... but the readers do.
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** Vancha being the older of the Harst brothers, because he's taller and older-looking compared to Gannen. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' implies it's the other way around, though.
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** Vancha being the older of the Harst brothers, because he's taller and older-looking compared to Gannen. The Japanese translation has it this way, because in Japanese, it would be an awkward usage to call someone a "brother" without specifying older or younger. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' implies it's the other way around, though.
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** Kurda acting dismissive about the vampaneze in ''"The Lake of Souls"''. Does he not care about them anymore because [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished wanting to help them resulted in his death]]? Or it's because all the vampaneze he personally knew and wanted to save all died?
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* UnfortunateImplications: Noted [[https://whispersoftheunknowncom.wordpress.com/2020/06/19/debbie-hemlock-and-her-tragic-injustice/ here]] about the tendency for the adaptations to whitewash Debbie Hemlock. She's very clearly described as brown skinned and dark haired in the books, and the film notably completely replaced her with a white girl called Rebecca...and gave her a monkey tail (just adding to the racial implications).
--> "Debbie was the ONLY character to be completely erased and replaced with [Rebecca] to be Darren’s love interest. For what reason did they need to change specifically her? One of the only black characters in the trilogy the movie was adapting? Why make [Rebecca] white? Why make her a monkey girl?"
--> "Debbie was the ONLY character to be completely erased and replaced with [Rebecca] to be Darren’s love interest. For what reason did they need to change specifically her? One of the only black characters in the trilogy the movie was adapting? Why make [Rebecca] white? Why make her a monkey girl?"
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** If you look on Fanfiction.Net, Deviant Art or any other poll site, you'll probably notice that Darren/Steve is the most popular. Either because of their FoeYay in the books, because of the subtext they have in the manga, or both.
*** It doesn't help that Takahiro Arai (the artist for the manga) likes them and deliberately added more scenes of them together that weren't in the original books. Also his next work ''Manga/{{Arago}}'' features Arago and Seth, whose designs resemble Steve and Darren respectively.
*** It doesn't help that Takahiro Arai (the artist for the manga) likes them and deliberately added more scenes of them together that weren't in the original books. Also his next work ''Manga/{{Arago}}'' features Arago and Seth, whose designs resemble Steve and Darren respectively.
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** If you look on Fanfiction.Net, Deviant Art or any other poll site, you'll probably notice that Darren/Steve is the most popular. Either because of their FoeYay in the books, because of the subtext they have in the manga, or both. \n*** It doesn't help that Takahiro Arai (the artist for the manga) likes them and deliberately added more scenes of them together that weren't in the original books. Also his next work ''Manga/{{Arago}}'' features Arago and Seth, whose designs resemble Steve and Darren respectively.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Darren in the seventh book goes through an experience that leads to his hair growing back and aging up by a few years. This process's name? Film/ThePurge.
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** Mr Crepsley is unimpressed by Gavner's attempt at sneaking up on them in his introduction. Darren tries to reassure him that he was surprised, and Mr Crepsley [[DamnedByFaintPraise damns him by faint praise]], saying he'll be useful "if you are ever called upon to sneak into a nursery."
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** It turns out Seba was an even stricter mentor to Larten than he is to Darren, which the boy finds very satisfying. Larten once wanted to speak as grandly as Seba did, so the latter resorted to plucking a nose hair every time Larten used a contraction. Larten attempted to avoid this by burning all his nose hairs off, but Seba just took them from somewhere else. He refuses to admit where, so Darren just asks Seba. The latter looks very pleased with himself when he replies "his ears".
** Darren's hangover after a night of drinking with the others in Vampire Mountain. He wakes up to see a gleeful Harkat standing over him. The Little People have a much stronger tolerance for alcohol. Darren?
--> '''Harkat:''' Have fun last night?
--> '''Darren:''' I've been poisoned!
** Following on from the above, Darren is dragged to the showers against his [[AnythingButThat terrified protests]] to sober up. After much screaming, he then sees a similarly hungover Mr Crepsley on his way back. Wishing him good morning just gets an angry snarl.
** Darren's hangover after a night of drinking with the others in Vampire Mountain. He wakes up to see a gleeful Harkat standing over him. The Little People have a much stronger tolerance for alcohol. Darren?
--> '''Harkat:''' Have fun last night?
--> '''Darren:''' I've been poisoned!
** Following on from the above, Darren is dragged to the showers against his [[AnythingButThat terrified protests]] to sober up. After much screaming, he then sees a similarly hungover Mr Crepsley on his way back. Wishing him good morning just gets an angry snarl.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: This is a kid's book series, but the author himself says that he knows people both above and below the series' age demographics read them. And he [[GettingCrapPasttheRadar gets a LOT past the radar]]:
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: This is a kid's book series, but the author himself says that he knows people both above and below the series' age demographics read them. And he [[GettingCrapPasttheRadar gets a LOT past the radar]]:
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** Annie at first refuses to believe it when Darren fakes his death, spending several days telling him to PleaseWakeUp before he's buried. Is this simply childish denial? Or since she knows about Madam Octa and seems suspicious about Steve's miraculous recovery, can she sense that something about Darren's sudden death just doesn't add up?
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: Calling it an 'English' series is bound to set off a few fans. Author Darren Shan is Anglo-Irish and uses some English slang terms in his writing (for example saying 'trainers' instead of the Irish 'runners'), so there is some merit to this. But the books were written and published in Ireland.
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: Calling it an 'English' series is bound to set off a few fans. Author Darren Shan is Anglo-Irish and uses some English slang terms in his writing (for example saying 'trainers' instead of the Irish 'runners'), so there is some merit to this. But the books were written and published in Ireland. The name of Darren's father (Dermot) is distinctly Irish, and certain minor aspects of the series point to an Irish setting.
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* ValuesDissonance: Setting example. Although the setting is vague, the books were written and published in Ireland, and the setting can be given away for one very specific plot point: Darren's fake funeral. In the UK, it can often take at least a week to have the wake and service. Ireland by contrast usually does things very quickly - within three or four days. The text implies that Darren was lying for only a couple of days.
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** Darren's parents Dermot and Angela - GoodParents who love their children very much. First Steve gets paralyzed in their house, and Angela appears to be shouldering some guilt over it (having a child get dangerously ill under your supervision is ultimate AdultFear). Then Darren appears to die, and they were already suspicious of his parting words to them - so it's possible they wondered if Darren was suicidal without them knowing. When Darren returns to his hometown years later, it's said they couldn't bear to stay in the house and had to move away. [[spoiler: Unlike Annie, they never find out their son is still alive]].
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** Yellow pants with pink elephants. "Bad choice in boyfriend", indeed.
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** Yellow pants Gavner at one point has to strip to his underwear, revealing himself to be wearing boxers with pink elephants. "Bad choice elephants on them. He insists they were a gift from an ex-girlfriend.
--> '''Gavner:''' She was a lovely woman really. She just had bad taste inboyfriend", indeed.underwear.
--> '''Darren:''' And in boyfriends.
** Darren angsting about how he can't be in a relationship with Debbie.
--> "Bloody humans...bloody vampires...we should just be turtles or something."
--> '''Gavner:''' She was a lovely woman really. She just had bad taste in
--> '''Darren:''' And in boyfriends.
** Darren angsting about how he can't be in a relationship with Debbie.
--> "Bloody humans...bloody vampires...we should just be turtles or something."
* HamAndCheese: Ken Watanabe is hamming it up quite nicely in the film adaptation.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Well far from the ''only'' thing fans hated about the film adaptation, they are as follows...
** Setting the story in America for no apparent reason, especially considering the franchise's very obvious European setting.
** Depicting Darren as a bored kid wanting to escape to an exciting life - rendering him like a generic fantasy KidHero. The point of his character in the books is that he's a happy child who gives up his human life as a HeroicSacrifice - and the tragedy it entails.
** Replacing Debbie Hemlock (who is very obviously described as a black girl) with a white girl called Rebecca. And giving her a monkey tail possibly to deflect criticism over the RaceLift in the first place.
** Having Steve's [[spoiler: FaceHeelTurn happen so early and provide a baffling climax involving Darren's family finding out he's a vampire and then memory wiping him]]. Had more films been made, this would have wreaked havoc with the continuity.
** Setting the story in America for no apparent reason, especially considering the franchise's very obvious European setting.
** Depicting Darren as a bored kid wanting to escape to an exciting life - rendering him like a generic fantasy KidHero. The point of his character in the books is that he's a happy child who gives up his human life as a HeroicSacrifice - and the tragedy it entails.
** Replacing Debbie Hemlock (who is very obviously described as a black girl) with a white girl called Rebecca. And giving her a monkey tail possibly to deflect criticism over the RaceLift in the first place.
** Having Steve's [[spoiler: FaceHeelTurn happen so early and provide a baffling climax involving Darren's family finding out he's a vampire and then memory wiping him]]. Had more films been made, this would have wreaked havoc with the continuity.
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** Darius, full stop. The boy lives with only his divorced mother, wondering why his father doesn't live with them. Then his father reaches up to him after years, and he accepts to join his Vampaneze army in an attempt to impress him. Also, his hostility towards vampires and the Cirque du Freak is a result of Steve feeding his head with lies. Then his father kills Shancus Von and finds out the hard way that he couldn't care less about his son and only manipulated him for the sake of his revenge on Darren. And he's unwillingly transformed into a Vampaneze by Steve, in order to mess with Darren more. Even after Darren saves Darius, it's clear he doesn't have sympathy for the boy at all and only sees him as his enemy's son.
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** Annie who is a loving little sister to Darren at the start of the series, has to live with the knowledge that she's an UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom who got Steve nearly killed with Madam Octa's poison (and spend several agonising days wondering if he'll die). Then she believes her brother dies - and Darren's narration talks about her heartbreaking pleas for him to PleaseWakeUp at his funeral. [[spoiler: Then as an adult, Steve seduces her and gets her pregnant solely for revenge]].
** Darius, full stop. The boy lives with only his divorced mother, wondering why his father doesn't live with them. Then his father reaches up to him after years, and he accepts to join his Vampaneze army in an attempt to impress him. Also, his hostility towards vampires and the Cirque du Freak is a result of Steve feeding his head with lies. Then his father kills Shancus Von and finds out the hard way that he couldn't care less about his son and only manipulated him for the sake of his revenge on Darren. And he's unwillingly transformed into a Vampaneze by Steve, in order to mess with Darren more. Even after Darren saves Darius, it's clear he doesn't have sympathy for the boy at all and only sees him as his enemy'sson.son.
* WTHCastingAgency: When the film adaptation came out, fans were baffled at the casting choices for Larten and Gavner. Not that John C Reilly and William Dafoe are bad actors - in fact, fans said they'd be better suited to the opposite parts.
** Darius, full stop. The boy lives with only his divorced mother, wondering why his father doesn't live with them. Then his father reaches up to him after years, and he accepts to join his Vampaneze army in an attempt to impress him. Also, his hostility towards vampires and the Cirque du Freak is a result of Steve feeding his head with lies. Then his father kills Shancus Von and finds out the hard way that he couldn't care less about his son and only manipulated him for the sake of his revenge on Darren. And he's unwillingly transformed into a Vampaneze by Steve, in order to mess with Darren more. Even after Darren saves Darius, it's clear he doesn't have sympathy for the boy at all and only sees him as his enemy's
* WTHCastingAgency: When the film adaptation came out, fans were baffled at the casting choices for Larten and Gavner. Not that John C Reilly and William Dafoe are bad actors - in fact, fans said they'd be better suited to the opposite parts.
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* AmericansHateTingle: In the western part of the fandom, Glalda and Cyrus are hated due to participating in Kurda's ill-fated plan. However in the Japanese fandom, they're quite popular for being just minor characters.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Glalda and Cyrus in the Japanese fandom, thanks to the manga adaptation giving them more depth and expanding their relationships with Kurda.
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** The ,anga shows the point of view of other characters, not just Darren like in the novel.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Kurda. In-universe he's looked down by his fellow vampires because they mistook his pacifism for weakness, but many readers/viewers sympathized with him and were sad when he died at the end of ''"The Vampire Prince"''. The "unpopular" part is downplayed in the manga, as his two assistants and Glalda genuinely like him and Darren ''does'' forgive him for his actions.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Kurda. In-universe he's looked down by his fellow vampires because they mistook his pacifism for weakness, but many readers/viewers sympathized with him and were sad when he died at the end of ''"The Vampire Prince"''. The "unpopular" part is downplayed in the manga, as his two assistants manga though.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Some fans think the vampaneze characters should have been developed more andGlalda genuinely like him and making them more sympathetic instead of being either AxCrazy (Murlough, R.V) or sticking too much to their rules (Gannen). It would certainly have made Kurda's insistence of saving both sides seem much more well-founded.
** The entire BadFuture with either Darren''does'' forgive him for his actions.or Steve becoming the Lord of the Shadows. It doesn't help that even the author [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planning to write 6 more books about Darren jumping off the slippery slope after killing Steve and becoming the Lord of the Shadows]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Some fans think the vampaneze characters should have been developed more and
** The entire BadFuture with either Darren
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few vampaneze who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want them to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few vampaneze who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few of them who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few of them vampaneze who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: The vampires' desire to exterminate the vampaneze is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered them a number of fans who want to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable most vampaneze are]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the vampires were the ones who started the feud in the first place, there are ''very'' few of them who are likable in any way.
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* OneTrueThreesome: Kurda/Glalda/Cyrus, at least in the Japanese fandom. It helps that the manga expands their interactions, showing that Kurda genuinely cares about them.
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* OneTrueThreesome: Kurda/Glalda/Cyrus, at least in the Japanese fandom. It helps that the manga expands their interactions, showing that Kurda genuinely cares about them.interactions.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Are the vampire clan a race of arrogant [[KnightTemplar knight templars]] no better or even worse than the vampaneze, whose bigotry and pride prevents peace from being achieved between the clans? Or do they have a point, in that the vampaneze are such a threat that they need to be eliminated?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Are the vampire clan a race of arrogant [[KnightTemplar knight templars]] no better or even worse than the vampaneze, whose bigotry and pride prevents peace from being achieved between the clans? Or do they have a point, in that the vampaneze are such a threat that they need to beeliminated?eliminated?
** Mr. Crepsley's claim of Steve having evil blood. Was Steve truly born evil or was it a lie by Mr. Tiny in order to break Darren and Steve's friendship?
** Kurda acting dismissive about the vampaneze in ''"The Lake of Souls"''. Does he not care about them anymore because [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished wanting to help them resulted in his death]]? Or it's because all the vampaneze he personally knew and wanted to save all died?
** Are the vampire clan a race of arrogant [[KnightTemplar knight templars]] no better or even worse than the vampaneze, whose bigotry and pride prevents peace from being achieved between the clans? Or do they have a point, in that the vampaneze are such a threat that they need to be
** Mr. Crepsley's claim of Steve having evil blood. Was Steve truly born evil or was it a lie by Mr. Tiny in order to break Darren and Steve's friendship?
** Kurda acting dismissive about the vampaneze in ''"The Lake of Souls"''. Does he not care about them anymore because [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished wanting to help them resulted in his death]]? Or it's because all the vampaneze he personally knew and wanted to save all died?
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** Glalda's surname being Erefith. There's no mention of Glalda having a surname either in the novels or manga.
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** Glalda's surname being Erefith. There's no mention of Glalda him having a surname either in the novels or manga.manga.
** Kurda being the youngest of the vampires due to his looks. Jossed, as ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals he's actually 30-40 years older than Gavner.
** Kurda being the youngest of the vampires due to his looks. Jossed, as ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals he's actually 30-40 years older than Gavner.
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** Glalda. In the novels he appears as an arrogant and unrepentant killer who mocks Arra for her gender. The manga shows him from Kurda's point of view, revealing Glalda to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who shares Kurda's ideals to unite vampires and vampaneze. Justufued, as the novel shows him from Darren's point of view.
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** Glalda. In the novels he appears as an arrogant and unrepentant killer who mocks Arra for her gender. The manga shows him from Kurda's point of view, revealing Glalda to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who shares Kurda's ideals to unite vampires and vampaneze. Justufued, Justified, as the novel shows him from Darren's point of view.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Alice Burgess, a police chief, makes her first appearance campaigning against the vampires. By the end of the series, she's one of Darren's closest comrades and has been an active fighter on the vampires' side.
* {{Squick}}: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals she was a mother figure to them in their youth.
* {{Squick}}: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals she was a mother figure to them in their youth.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Alice Burgess, a police chief, makes her first appearance campaigning against thevampires.vampires due to falling for Steve's manipulations. By the end of the series, she's one of Darren's closest comrades and has been an active fighter on the vampires' side.
** Glalda. In the novels he appears as an arrogant and unrepentant killer who mocks Arra for her gender. The manga shows him from Kurda's point of view, revealing Glalda to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who shares Kurda's ideals to unite vampires and vampaneze. Justufued, as the novel shows him from Darren's point of view.
* {{Squick}}: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' revealsshe was a mother figure to them in their youth.she's ''their adoptive mother''.
** Alice Burgess, a police chief, makes her first appearance campaigning against the
** Glalda. In the novels he appears as an arrogant and unrepentant killer who mocks Arra for her gender. The manga shows him from Kurda's point of view, revealing Glalda to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who shares Kurda's ideals to unite vampires and vampaneze. Justufued, as the novel shows him from Darren's point of view.
* {{Squick}}: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Are the vampire clan a race of arrogant [[KnightTemplar knight templars]] no better or even worse than the vampaneze, whose bigotry and pride prevents peace from being achieved between the clans? Or do they have a point, in that the vampaneze are such a threat that they need to be eliminated?
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Steve. Many despise him for his continued antagonistic behavior towards Darren, acting like an UngratefulBastard for his sacrifice and [[spoiler: manipulating the events that resulted in Larten's death]]. Others believe he was forced into villany due to being manipulated by Mr. Tiny from the beginning and feeling betrayed and abandoned by Darren. Also, his friendship and eventual FoeYay with Darren is seen as either one of the best written relationships in the franchise or borderline abuse (Though few would call it very healthy).
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Steve. Many despise him for his continued antagonistic behavior towards Darren, acting like an UngratefulBastard for his sacrifice and [[spoiler: manipulating the events that resulted in Larten's death]]. Others believe he was forced into villany due to being manipulated by Mr. Tiny from the beginning and feeling betrayed and abandoned by Darren. Also, his friendship and eventual FoeYay with Darren is seen as either one of the best written relationships in the franchise or borderline abuse (Though few would call it very healthy).
** Steve. Many despise him for his continued antagonistic behavior towards Darren, acting like an UngratefulBastard for his sacrifice and [[spoiler: manipulating the events that resulted in Larten's death]]. Others believe he was forced into villany due to being manipulated by Mr. Tiny from the beginning and feeling betrayed and abandoned by Darren. Also, his friendship and eventual FoeYay with Darren is seen as either one of the best written relationships in the franchise or borderline abuse (Though few would call it very healthy).
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Glalda and Cyrus in the Japanese fandom, thanks to the manga adaptation giving them more depth and expanding their relationships with Kurda.
* OneTrueThreesome: Kurda/Glalda/Cyrus, at least in the Japanese fandom. It helps that the manga expands their interactions, showing that Kurda genuinely cares about them.
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** Darren, who never stops whining about becoming a vampire whenever he can. Thankfully he gets better.
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** Darren, who never stops Darren in the first books keeps whining about becoming a vampire whenever how much he can.hates being a vampire. Thankfully he gets better.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Darren/Steve is a very popular ship in Japan, but while it is still a fan favorite ship, it is received much less warmly in the west because many fans who don't like this coupling perceive it as very abusive and unhealthy and can't forgive Steve for his evil deeds. [[LongLostRelative Or the fact that ''Sons of Destiny'' reveals they're related]].
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** Back when the series was originally being printed, Darren/Steve was ''the'' series's pairing of choice, to the point where the manga made their friendship more codependant before their fallout. But as the fandom's matured, a lot of the more uncomfortable aspects of their relationship have been acknowledged. Not to mention ''"Sons of Destiny"'' reveals they're related.
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* {{Fanon}}:
** Vancha being the older of the Harst brothers, because he's taller and older-looking compared to Gannen. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' implies it's the other way around, though.
** Glalda's surname being Erefith. There's no mention of Glalda having a surname either in the novels or manga.
** Vancha being the older of the Harst brothers, because he's taller and older-looking compared to Gannen. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' implies it's the other way around, though.
** Glalda's surname being Erefith. There's no mention of Glalda having a surname either in the novels or manga.
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* {{Wangst}}:
** Darren, who never stops whining about becoming a vampire whenever he can. Thankfully he gets better.
** Also, Steve, who never stops whining about how unfair it is that he couldn't become a vampire even as he tries to murder people and screw with Darren.
** In the manga, Vancha gets hit with a lot of this whenever Gannen is mentioned.
** Darren, who never stops whining about becoming a vampire whenever he can. Thankfully he gets better.
** Also, Steve, who never stops whining about how unfair it is that he couldn't become a vampire even as he tries to murder people and screw with Darren.
** In the manga, Vancha gets hit with a lot of this whenever Gannen is mentioned.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Kurda. In-universe he's looked down by his fellow vampires because they mistook his pacifism for weakness, but many readers/viewers sympathized with him and were sad when he died at the end of ''"The Vampire Prince"''. The "unpopular" part is downplayed in the manga, as his two assistants and Glalda genuinely like him.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Kurda. In-universe he's looked down by his fellow vampires because they mistook his pacifism for weakness, but many readers/viewers sympathized with him and were sad when he died at the end of ''"The Vampire Prince"''. The "unpopular" part is downplayed in the manga, as his two assistants and Glalda genuinely like him.him and Darren ''does'' forgive him for his actions.
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* Squick: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals she was a mother figure to them in their youth.
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* Squick: {{Squick}}: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals she was a mother figure to them in their youth.
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* AwesomeEgo: A number of characters are beloved not just in spite of their arrogance, but because of it. Vancha probably tops the list, but honorable mentions include Steve and Arra.
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** Also Kurda has been shipped with Darren, Glalda, Cyrus, Gavner, and Mika.
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* Squick: Evanna having sex with Vancha and Gannen at the end of the series. Especially because ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals she was a mother figure to them in their youth.
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Kurda. In-universe he's looked down by his fellow vampires because they mistook his pacifism for weakness, but many readers/viewers sympathized with him and were sad when he died at the end of ''"The Vampire Prince"''. The "unpopular" part is downplayed in the manga, as his two assistants and Glalda genuinely like him.
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** Kurda's two assistants only exist to be loyal to him and be used as cannon fodder. Nobody bats an eye when they die either. In the manga, Kurda is clearly upset about their deaths and part of why he decides to stay in the Lake of Souls is to be with them forever.
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** Kurda's two assistants only exist [[RedShirt to be loyal to him and be used as cannon fodder. Nobody fodder]] and nobody bats an eye when they die either.die. In the manga, Kurda is clearly upset about their deaths and part of why he decides to stay in the Lake of Souls is to be with them forever.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ending of the books was criticized due to [[spoiler:Darren going back in time so that the events of the series never happen]] and the BlackAndGrayMorality and ambiguous "heroics" of the cast. The manga ending however rectified this by [[spoiler:showing what happened to the rest of the characters after the time-reset, having Darren's friends helping him to deliver the books to Mr. Tall and alternate world!Darren still being friends with Steve]]. The manga ending also puts more emphasis in Darren and Steve's broken friendship, to the point it's a vital part of [[spoiler: Steve deciding to abandon his obsession with becoming a vampire in the new timeline.]]
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
** There were times in which Darren acted like a DesignatedHero, sometimes agreeing to do certain actions because it benefits him more and can be spiteful sometimes. The manga makes him more naive and heroic.
** Kurda's two assistants only exist to be loyal to him and be used as cannon fodder. Nobody bats an eye when they die either. In the manga, Kurda is clearly upset about their deaths and part of why he decides to stay in the Lake of Souls is to be with them forever.
** The ending of the books was criticized due to [[spoiler:Darren going back in time so that the events of the series never happen]] and the BlackAndGrayMorality and ambiguous "heroics" of the cast. The manga ending however rectified this by [[spoiler:showing what happened to the rest of the characters after the time-reset, having Darren's friends helping him to deliver the books to Mr. Tall and alternate world!Darren still being friends with Steve]]. The manga ending also puts more emphasis in Darren and Steve's broken friendship, to the point it's a vital part of [[spoiler: Steve deciding to abandon his obsession with becoming a vampire in the new timeline.]]
** There were times in which Darren acted like a DesignatedHero, sometimes agreeing to do certain actions because it benefits him more and can be spiteful sometimes. The manga makes him more naive and heroic.
** Kurda's two assistants only exist to be loyal to him and be used as cannon fodder. Nobody bats an eye when they die either. In the manga, Kurda is clearly upset about their deaths and part of why he decides to stay in the Lake of Souls is to be with them forever.
** The ending of the books was criticized due to [[spoiler:Darren going back in time so that the events of the series never happen]] and the BlackAndGrayMorality and ambiguous "heroics" of the cast. The manga ending however rectified this by [[spoiler:showing what happened to the rest of the characters after the time-reset, having Darren's friends helping him to deliver the books to Mr. Tall and alternate world!Darren still being friends with Steve]]. The manga ending also puts more emphasis in Darren and Steve's broken friendship, to the point it's a vital part of [[spoiler: Steve deciding to abandon his obsession with becoming a vampire in the new timeline.]]
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** Debbie/Alice, due to being close friends. According to [[https://crepsleymika.tumblr.com/post/166988588505/take-it-to-the-fucking-bank-boys-debbie-and-alice a post]] by WordOfGod, they were supposed to be a lesbian couple but was removed due to ExecutiveMeddling.
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** Debbie/Alice, due to being close friends.Debbie/Alice. According to [[https://crepsleymika.tumblr.com/post/166988588505/take-it-to-the-fucking-bank-boys-debbie-and-alice a post]] by WordOfGod, they were supposed to be a lesbian couple but was removed due to ExecutiveMeddling.
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** Steve/Gannen, due to the later's loyalty towards him. Gannen is just following orders and actually hates Steve thogh.
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** Steve/Gannen, due to the later's loyalty towards him. Gannen is just following orders and actually hates Steve thogh.Steve, but the fans will ignore that.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: In ''Cirque du Freak'', Darren mentions about how he never talks about personal problems with Steve because that's not a boys' thing to do. At the end of the manga, doing exactly that is what saves their friendship in the alternate timeline.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: HeartwarmingInHindsight:
** Gavner telling Darren that Mr. Crepsley is a good person and he can trust him. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals Mr. Crepsley was a surrogate father to Gavner.
** In ''Cirque du Freak'', Darren mentions about how he never talks about personal problems with Steve because that's not a boys' thing to do. At the end of the manga, doing exactly that is what saves their friendship in the alternate timeline.
** Gavner telling Darren that Mr. Crepsley is a good person and he can trust him. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals Mr. Crepsley was a surrogate father to Gavner.
** In ''Cirque du Freak'', Darren mentions about how he never talks about personal problems with Steve because that's not a boys' thing to do. At the end of the manga, doing exactly that is what saves their friendship in the alternate timeline.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Larten's grudge on Murlough and his words to Darren about not getting obsessed with revenge. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals that Larten's best friend, Wester Flack was obsessed with revenge after Murlough killed his family and this resulted in a grudge against vampanezes and killing Larten's girlfriend and putting the blame on a vampaneze in an attempt to start a war against vampires and vampanezes. Even though Larten killed Wester and acted like he didn't exist for the rest of the books, it's clear it has affected him.
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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** Larten's grudge on Murlough and his words to Darren about not getting obsessed with revenge. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals that Larten's best friend, Wester Flack was obsessed with revenge after Murlough killed his family and this resulted in a grudge against vampanezes and killing Larten's girlfriend and putting the blame on a vampaneze in an attempt to start a war against vampires and vampanezes. Even though Larten killed Wester and acted like he didn't exist for the rest of the books, it's clear it has affectedhim.him and didn't want for Darren to go through the same path as Wester.
** In ''Cirque du Freak'', we get Steve making it clear that he would be broken without Darren at his side. It's heart-warming at the time, in a weird way, but becomes much worse when Steve becomes an homicidal maniac years later without Darren around.
** Harkat saying that he feels nostalgic upon going to Vampire Mountain, to which Darren jokes he might've been a vampire in his past life. Then ''Lake of Souls'' reveals he was Kurda.
** Larten, about to be killed by Steve, asks Vancha "will you praise my name in the halls of Vampire Mountain?", to which Vancha agrees. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals Wester asked the same thing in his duel to the death with Larten.
** Just the fact that Darren is forced to kill his revenge-obsessed friend who was manipulated by Mr. Tiny at the end of the story. Larten had to do the same at the end of ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley''.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: In ''Cirque du Freak'', Darren mentions about how he never talks about personal problems with Steve because that's not a boys' thing to do. At the end of the manga, doing exactly that is what saves their friendship in the alternate timeline.
** Larten's grudge on Murlough and his words to Darren about not getting obsessed with revenge. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals that Larten's best friend, Wester Flack was obsessed with revenge after Murlough killed his family and this resulted in a grudge against vampanezes and killing Larten's girlfriend and putting the blame on a vampaneze in an attempt to start a war against vampires and vampanezes. Even though Larten killed Wester and acted like he didn't exist for the rest of the books, it's clear it has affected
** In ''Cirque du Freak'', we get Steve making it clear that he would be broken without Darren at his side. It's heart-warming at the time, in a weird way, but becomes much worse when Steve becomes an homicidal maniac years later without Darren around.
** Harkat saying that he feels nostalgic upon going to Vampire Mountain, to which Darren jokes he might've been a vampire in his past life. Then ''Lake of Souls'' reveals he was Kurda.
** Larten, about to be killed by Steve, asks Vancha "will you praise my name in the halls of Vampire Mountain?", to which Vancha agrees. ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley'' reveals Wester asked the same thing in his duel to the death with Larten.
** Just the fact that Darren is forced to kill his revenge-obsessed friend who was manipulated by Mr. Tiny at the end of the story. Larten had to do the same at the end of ''Literature/TheSagaOfLartenCrepsley''.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: In ''Cirque du Freak'', Darren mentions about how he never talks about personal problems with Steve because that's not a boys' thing to do. At the end of the manga, doing exactly that is what saves their friendship in the alternate timeline.
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** Kurda/Glalda, especially in the manga.
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** Kurda/Glalda, especially at least in the manga.
