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** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], with examples including them joining Dijonay in skipping Penny's party in favor of [=LaCieniga's=] more lavish party, and in the episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's baby siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them, and even tease her about now being seen as uncool. However, they aren't anywhere as hated, especially Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.

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** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], with examples including them joining Dijonay in skipping Penny's party in favor of [=LaCieniga's=] more lavish party, and in the episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's baby siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them, and even tease her about now being seen as uncool. However, they aren't anywhere as hated, especially with Sticky being liked due to his cool tech guy persona, and Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.



** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. The show has been accused of being colorist, as Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings, and a running gag where her crush, Sticky, is repulsed by her. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". While it's the most apparent with Dijonay, this issue also applies to other dark skinned characters like Oscar or Suga Mama being portrayed negatively/as unattractive while light skinned characters, like Trudy, are portrayed as level headed/attractive. Additionally, the Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. The show has been accused of being colorist, as Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a loud, gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings, and a running gag where her crush, Sticky, is repulsed by her. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". While it's the most apparent with Dijonay, this issue also applies to other dark skinned characters like Oscar or Suga Mama being portrayed negatively/as unattractive while light skinned characters, like Trudy, are portrayed as level headed/attractive. Additionally, the Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.
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** Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can't stand each other, she's still a part of Penny's friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijonay when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.

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** Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can't stand each other, and the fact she's not particularly nicer to the other members most of the time, she's still a part of Penny's friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijonay when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.



** Zoe with her shyness, geeky nature, and nerd glasses.

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** Zoe Zoey with her shyness, geeky nature, and nerd glasses.



** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] (a good example would be that one episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them, and even tease her about it). However, they aren't as hated, especially Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.

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** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] (a good example would be that one [=LaCienega=], with examples including them joining Dijonay in skipping Penny's party in favor of [=LaCieniga's=] more lavish party, and in the episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's baby siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them, and even tease her about it). now being seen as uncool. However, they aren't anywhere as hated, especially Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.



* BrokenBase: While [=LaCienega=] and Dijonay are pretty universally disliked, there is a rift in the fandom of whereas their dynamic with Penny is genuinely entertaining or if its just toxic and they should be excommunicated from the show. There's also some debate over who is the worst, as while [=LaCieniga=] backstabs Penny a lot similarly to [=DiJonay=] and is outwardly nasty towards, she at least [[AtLeastIAdmitIt is upfront with the fact]] she doesn't like her.

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* BrokenBase: While [=LaCienega=] and Dijonay are pretty universally disliked, there is a rift in the fandom of whereas their dynamic with Penny is genuinely entertaining or if its just toxic and they should be excommunicated from the show. There's also some debate over who is the worst, as while [=LaCieniga=] backstabs Penny a lot similarly to [=DiJonay=] and is outwardly nasty towards, she at least [[AtLeastIAdmitIt is upfront with the fact]] she doesn't like her.



* FridgeLogic: Why did Zoey keep her outfit in "Hip-Hop Helicopter" despite her mom grounding her (and the fact that Zoey's aunt was the one who designed the revealing outfits that the girls wore on the show)? It was because Zoey may not have been grounded for wearing the outfit. She was probably grounded because she peer pressured Penny into disobeying her parents.

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* FridgeLogic: Why did Zoey keep her outfit in "Hip-Hop Helicopter" despite her mom grounding her (and the fact that Zoey's aunt was the one who designed the revealing outfits that the girls wore on the show)? It was because Zoey may not have been grounded for wearing the outfit. She was probably grounded because she peer pressured Penny into disobeying her parents.parents, or just for going to a high school party without permission.



** Dijonay in "Surf and Turf", when Sticky refuses to kiss her in front of a lot of people. There's also the fact that she is stuck raising her nine annoying younger siblings and her parents pretty much ignore her while she does the parental work.

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** Dijonay in "Surf and Turf", when Sticky refuses to kiss her in front of a lot of people. There's also the fact that she is stuck raising her nine annoying rowdy younger siblings siblings, including sharing a room with some of them, and her parents pretty much ignore her while she does the parental work.



** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to not blame Penny for her feelings towards them. Many fans especially hate how Penny is always forced to watch the twins, either having to take them with her to events or having to cancel her plans last minute, arguing just because Penny is the oldest it's not fair for her, a teenager, to have to take care of them, and if child care is such a constant need her parents should hire a babysitter.

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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to not blame Penny for her feelings towards them. Many fans especially hate how Penny is always forced to watch the twins, either having to take them with her to events or having to cancel her plans last minute, arguing just because Penny is the oldest it's not fair for her, a young teenager, to have to take care of them, and if child care is such a constant need her parents should hire a babysitter.



** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others (and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y). Had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.

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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet after they're revealed during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others (and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y). Had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.



** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. The show has been accused of being colorist, as Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". While it's the most apparent with Dijonay, this issue also applies to other dark skinned characters like Oscar or Suga Mama being portrayed negatively/as unattractive while light skinned characters, like Trudy, are portrayed as level headed/attractive. Additionally, the Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. The show has been accused of being colorist, as Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings.siblings, and a running gag where her crush, Sticky, is repulsed by her. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". While it's the most apparent with Dijonay, this issue also applies to other dark skinned characters like Oscar or Suga Mama being portrayed negatively/as unattractive while light skinned characters, like Trudy, are portrayed as level headed/attractive. Additionally, the Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.
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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. The show has been accused of being colorist, as Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty, desirable, and has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The While it's the most apparent with Dijonay, this issue also applies to other dark skinned characters like Oscar or Suga Mama being portrayed negatively/as unattractive while light skinned characters, like Trudy, are portrayed as level headed/attractive. Additionally, the Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.
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%%** LDPZ's hit song "[[https://youtu.be/pj9FL-RnsJ0 We Are Best Friends]]" and Penné's solo song "[[https://youtu.be/xed5pc0qZ38 It's All About Me]]".
%%** Some of the background music, like the chase score in "Enter the Bullies"
%%** Suga Mama's [[https://youtu.be/ZjE-lCo95kI rendition]] of "[[Theatre/TheWiz Believe in Yourself]]" in "Hmm... Tastes Like..."

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%%** ** LDPZ's hit song "[[https://youtu.be/pj9FL-RnsJ0 We Are Best Friends]]" and Penné's solo song "[[https://youtu.be/xed5pc0qZ38 It's All About Me]]".
%%** ** Some of the background music, like the chase score in "Enter the Bullies"
%%** ** Suga Mama's [[https://youtu.be/ZjE-lCo95kI rendition]] of "[[Theatre/TheWiz Believe in Yourself]]" in "Hmm... Tastes Like..."



%%** Any song performed by LPDZ.
%%** Bobby's So Dysfunctional
%%** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q815zu-eH4 "The Legend of Johnny Lovely"]], as sung by Papi.
%%** This show actually used Buckwheat Boyz's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcIExDJ9hoo Peanut Butter Jelly Time]]" ''before'' it became associated with the Dancing Banana or ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''!

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%%** ** Any song performed by LPDZ.
%%** ** Bobby's So Dysfunctional
%%** ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q815zu-eH4 "The Legend of Johnny Lovely"]], as sung by Papi.
%%** ** This show actually used Buckwheat Boyz's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcIExDJ9hoo Peanut Butter Jelly Time]]" ''before'' it became associated with the Dancing Banana or ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''!



** Suga Mama is a base breaking character. Some fans find her hilarious while loving the fact that she is a good grandmother to her three grandchildren. Other fans, however, find her to be too abusive and mean (towards her son Oscar) to be likable as a character.

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** Suga Mama is a base breaking character.Mama. Some fans find her hilarious while loving the fact that she is a good grandmother to her three grandchildren. Other fans, however, find her to be too abusive and mean (towards her son Oscar) to be likable as a character.



** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty pretty, desirable, and desirable has an overall good moral compass, compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. When the Chang Triplets finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.
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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to blame Penny for her feelings towards them. Many fans especially hate how Penny is always forced to watch the twins, either having to take them with her to events or having to cancel her plans last minute, arguing just because Penny is the oldest it’s not fair for her, a teenager, to have to take care of them, and if child care is such a constant need her parents should hire a babysitter.

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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to not blame Penny for her feelings towards them. Many fans especially hate how Penny is always forced to watch the twins, either having to take them with her to events or having to cancel her plans last minute, arguing just because Penny is the oldest it’s not fair for her, a teenager, to have to take care of them, and if child care is such a constant need her parents should hire a babysitter.
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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to blame Penny for her feelings towards them.

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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to blame Penny for her feelings towards them. Many fans especially hate how Penny is always forced to watch the twins, either having to take them with her to events or having to cancel her plans last minute, arguing just because Penny is the oldest it’s not fair for her, a teenager, to have to take care of them, and if child care is such a constant need her parents should hire a babysitter.
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** In the second episode, Penny jokes "Sticky, we're Republicans, we don't pay taxes". Cut to the UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump presidency about two decades later...
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** "Tiger Whisperer" has a scene where Penny and Trudy are in a car and come across Sunset and LaCienega, since it is bring-your-daughter-to-work day for Sunset. Seems normal enough... until LaCienega randomly decides to ARREST Penny [[ItAmusedMe for the fun of it]] only to be stopped by Sunset. LaCi being mean to Penny [[SitcomArchNemesis is nothing new]], but this scene comes off as VERY bizarre because of how [[OutOfCharacterMoment randomly aggressive]] LaCienega (who's normally a verbal bully who just insults Penny) was being. Penny [[AngstWhatAngst never says anything about what just happened there]], nor is there any indication that LaCienega [[KarmaHoudini got punished for it]] other than Sunset firmly telling her to stop.

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** "Tiger Whisperer" has features a scene where Penny and Trudy are in a car and come across Sunset and LaCienega, [=LaCienega=], since it is bring-your-daughter-to-work day for Sunset. Seems normal enough... until LaCienega [=LaCienega=] randomly decides to ARREST Penny [[ItAmusedMe for the fun of it]] only to be stopped by Sunset. LaCi [=LaCi=] being mean to Penny [[SitcomArchNemesis is nothing new]], but this scene comes off as VERY bizarre because of how [[OutOfCharacterMoment randomly aggressive]] LaCienega [=LaCienega=] (who's normally a verbal bully who just insults Penny) was being. being about it. Penny [[AngstWhatAngst never says anything about what just happened there]], nor is there any indication that LaCienega [=LaCienega=] [[KarmaHoudini got punished for it]] other than Sunset firmly telling her to stop.

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