History YMMV / TheFurnacesOfPalingenesia

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia'' makes no bones about the fact that fascism is fundamentally a death cult that can bring only destruction for itself and everyone else, and furthermore that fascist leaders don't actually care about the propaganda they spew to the masses, using it solely as a means to dominate the hearts and minds of their followers.

* EpicRiff: Like any Deathspell album, it has a lot. Special mention goes to "Imitatio Dei" and the bass in "Standing on the Work of Slaves".

* FandomEnragingMisconception: At this point most of their fans are pretty sick of hearing the argument that this is a sincere NSBM album, particularly after the band refuted it at such eloquent length in the Bardo Methodology interview.

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia'' makes no bones about the fact that fascism is fundamentally a death cult that can bring only destruction for itself and everyone else.

** Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of fascist rhetoric will immediately recognize many of the Order's stated goals as being right out of the playbook of Joseph Goebbels. The narrator also paraphrases Adolf Hitler and Mao Zedong at other points.
** Most notable is "1523", which references the "League of the Elect", a bizarre Christian ApocalypseCult/proto-communist movement that took over the German town of Muhlhausen in 1525 and instituted exactly the sort of transformative "New Order" that the narrator aims to establish. "1523" refers to the year their leader, Thomas Muntzer, began preaching his radical visions and formed the League. Said movement is often cited as one of the first examples of a "millenarian" political movement, i.e, a movement that aims to decisively transform society to a desired utopian end goal and bring about the "end of history", wiping out all competing ideologies in the process.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia'' makes no bones about the fact that fascism is fundamentally a death cult that can bring only destruction for itself and everyone else.

* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia'' makes no bones about the fact that fascism is fundamentally a death cult that can bring only destruction for itself and everyone else. They also make this point repeatedly in the Bardo Methodology interview (with no more complimentary words for authoritarianism of any other stripe, or for that matter for humanity's collective assault on the natural environment in the name of "progress"), and again, the directness of their argument only makes it more powerful and necessary. It's filled with vital, incisive quotes like this:
--> Here’s the leap: what is the implicit statement of transhumanism? What are the Silicon Valley billionaires saying with their funding of Mars exploration instead of channelling these funds towards the preservation of a habitable planet? That nine billion humans are superfluous and that the horizon, in time, is a global death camp.

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Concerning ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia'', one way of seeing it is as a satire of fascism. However, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathspellOmega/comments/bk4n4k/the_furnaces_of_palingenesia_hopes_expectations/ some have interpreted it as being a manifesto of spiritual fascism]], which ultimately differentiates itself from the brand that is so widely feared and hated in this day and age.
** As is extensively elaborated on throughout this page, there's a rather heated debate regarding the true political message of ''The Furnaces of Palingenesia''. While it definitely comments on fascism, few can agree on its actual stance on the matter; many fans believe it to be a brutally satirical rebuke of fascist ideology, while detractors have gone so far as to accuse it of being a completely unironic NSBM album. It can be also interpreted as the band [[TrollingCreator trolling]] the entire metal scene and poking fun at current political correctness society and painting an ironic picture of them becoming the same thing they're criticizing their music, considering their [[ForTheEvulz shtick of music]].
*** The "unironic NSBM" interpretation would seem to be completely {{Jossed}} by the Bardo Methodologies interview, as would the "trolling creator" interpretation - they come across as completely sincere in the interview in their opposition to totalitarianism of all flavours, be it rightist or leftist. They also acknowledge the involvement of persons with completely opposite political views, in particular Mikko Aspa.
*** "You Cannot Even Find the Ruins..." seems to have a different narrator than the rest of the album, being the only song with lyrics written in stanzas while the preceding tracks were written out in prose, and rather than pontificating on the glories of the Order it bleakly describes the collapse of civilization. Is it from the perspective of an omniscient narrator, demonstrating how the Order, like all societies, is doomed to eventually fail? Or is it in fact the same narrator as the rest of the album, finally putting all pretensions aside and laying bare [[OmnicidalManiac his real vision for the human race]]?
* AuthorsSavingThrow: [[http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2019/06/23/deathspell-omega-interview/ The 2019 interview with Bardo Methodology]] became this for some, where the band was able to dispel ''some'' of the allegations towards them but still keep the anonymity of their project: As acknowledged above (and below), the band still condemns authoritarian views, gives much more HiddenDepths to their work (even citing stuff like ''Film/MulhollandDrive'' and Music/{{Portishead}} and ''Music/TomWaits'' [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers of all things]]), and more or less just giving everyone a view of themselves. While it's also more or less not confirmed, the group does give a theory that Aspa ''did'' work with them, but they themselves did not agree with his views, simply having him on a musical level. [[BrokenBase Depending on your views]], it is a breath of relief.