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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero--the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a [=PS3=] port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidequest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.

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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero--the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 Platform/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a [=PS3=] port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidequest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.



* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the [=PS3=] version.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube Platform/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the [=PS3=] version.



** The 2023 UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch port features missing screen transitions, backgrounds, longer load times than the 2003 original and has random frame drops outside of battle that aren't in any other version, on top of still being locked at 30fps. Namco released two patches, the most recent patch on August 23, 2023, that addressed almost all of these issues other than the 30fps (which is common to all versions other than the Gamecube), and the Switch version is now much better.

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** The 2023 UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch Platform/NintendoSwitch port features missing screen transitions, backgrounds, longer load times than the 2003 original and has random frame drops outside of battle that aren't in any other version, on top of still being locked at 30fps. Namco released two patches, the most recent patch on August 23, 2023, that addressed almost all of these issues other than the 30fps (which is common to all versions other than the Gamecube), and the Switch version is now much better.

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Condemned By History means that it is now considered so horrible that no one will admit to liking it in the first place. Moved to a trope that more accurately describes comparative lack of polish.


* CondemnedByHistory: While a major GrowingTheBeard for the series in both gameplay and writing, and is often seen by some as the best game in the series, as time has gone on, ''Symphonia'' tends to be seen as being less polished and refined than it was seen as in 2003. Its story was unique for its time, but some games after can make ''Symphonia'' look dated and not as interesting, while the gameplay can be outright unrefined compared to the many innovations the later titles were able to make (in particular, the lack of full field control in this version of the LMBS tends to drive people crazy). While it still is recommended for newcomers as an entry point to avoid this issue, later games like ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' or ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' are often recommended first due to the more developed gameplay and more complex stories. The fact that Symphonia's had [[PortingDisaster porting troubles]] hasn't helped either.


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* OnceOriginalNowCommon: While a major GrowingTheBeard for the series in both gameplay and writing, and is often seen by some as the best game in the series, as time has gone on, ''Symphonia'' tends to be seen as being less polished and refined than it was seen as in 2003. Its story was unique for its time, but some games after can make ''Symphonia'' look dated and not as interesting, while the gameplay can be outright unrefined compared to the many innovations the later titles were able to make (in particular, the lack of full field control in this version of the LMBS tends to drive people crazy). While it still is recommended for newcomers as an entry point to avoid this issue, later games like ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' or ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' are often recommended first due to the more developed gameplay and more complex stories. The fact that Symphonia's had [[PortingDisaster porting troubles]] hasn't helped either.
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* CondemnedByHistory: While a major GrowingTheBeard for the series in both gameplay and writing, and is often seen by some as the best game in the series, as time has gone on, ''Symphonia'' tends to be seen as being less polished and refined than it was seen as in 2003. Its story was unique for its time, but some games after can make ''Symphonia'' look dated and not as interesting, while the gameplay can be outright unrefined compared to the many innovations the later titles were able to make (in particular, the lack of full field control in this version of the LMBS tends to drive people crazy). While it still is recommended for newcomers as an entry point to avoid this issue, later games like ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' or ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' are often recommended first due to the more developed gameplay and more complex stories. The fact that Symphonia's had [[PortingDisaster porting troubles]] hasn't helped either.
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* CharacterPerceptionEvolution: Colette was once seen as an egregious case of DamselScrappy, bringing the plot to a screeching halt every time she needed rescuing throughout the story despite possessing godly powers and very rarely using those powers to try to help herself or her friends out of their binds. Fans decried her as a frustrating character that would have been better off left behind. However, as time progressed, more fans became willing to forgive Colette due to her manipulative upbringing by the Church of Martel and her young age making her extremely self-effacing and thus very passive. While she remains a BaseBreakingCharacter, there are many more fans willing to go to bat for Colette than there were at the game's release.
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*** If you played on the [=GameCube=], there was a whole second disc that you hadn't even used yet.
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Deconstructor Fleet was already done in both Eternia and Destiny 2 by the time Symphonia released. Removing that part of the example.


* GrowingTheBeard: This is unquestionably where the series really began to find its stride. While ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'' had previously used some of these plot and gameplay elements, it was ''Symphonia'' that really fleshed out concepts like the skits and character customization, and is where many of the later games pulled ideas from to flesh out the story. It was also when ''Tales'' really started to be known for its DeconstructorFleet nature--the ''Tales'' series had only sort of touched upon deconstruction before, but this game brought it into full swing by taking a hammer to the idea of TheChosenOne.

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* GrowingTheBeard: This is unquestionably where the series really began to find its stride. While ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'' had previously used some of these plot and gameplay elements, it was ''Symphonia'' that really fleshed out concepts like the skits and character customization, and is where many of the later games pulled ideas from to flesh out the story. It was also when ''Tales'' really started to be known for its DeconstructorFleet nature--the ''Tales'' series had only sort of touched upon deconstruction before, but this game brought it into full swing by taking a hammer to the idea of TheChosenOne.
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* IKnewIt: Some people saw the [[spoiler: somewhat unorthodox LukeIAmYourFather twist coming.]] Others came close [[spoiler:by believing the two characters to be brothers or connected in some other way.]]

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* CatharsisFactor:
** Kratos brutally cutting down Kvar after the latter caps off a long string of atrocities by nearly killing Colette. It gets even better when it turns out that [[spoiler:Kratos is avenging his wife and Lloyd's mother]].
** The mayor of Iselia [[JerkassHasAPoint might have had a point]] when he banished Lloyd and Genis, but he's also racist, indifferent to the plight of the prisoners of the nearby Iselia Ranch and blames Colette for not sacrificing herself to merely temporarily save the world. As such, it's rather pleasant to see the citizens of Iselia stand up for the "Sylvarant team" members of the party, whom they've known for many years, and call the mayor out on his attitude.



** Your party will pretty much consist of Lloyd, Genis, Raine, and whoever else you feel like using. Lloyd because he is TheHero and the first character you play as (Thus most people become comfortable with him). Genis because he is a mage with spells that hit almost every element in the game and he keeps his distance. Raine because she is the healer.

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** Your party will pretty much consist of Lloyd, Genis, Raine, and whoever else you feel like using. Lloyd because he is TheHero and the first character you play as (Thus most people become comfortable with him). Genis because he is a mage with spells that hit almost every element in the game and he keeps his distance. Raine because she is the healer. It helps that the three of them, especially Lloyd and Genis, are most often forced into your party by default when you don't have enough members for people to sit out.
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* {{Fanon}}: It is almost universally accepted that ''Symphonia'' takes place four thousand years before ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantaisa'' [[spoiler:because the Reunion of the two worlds is just that logical as a starting point for ''Phantasia'''s calendar.]]

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* {{Fanon}}: It is almost universally accepted that ''Symphonia'' takes place four thousand years before ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantaisa'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' [[spoiler:because the Reunion of the two worlds is just that logical as a starting point for ''Phantasia'''s calendar.]]

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