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* FanonDiscontinuity: Due to the way the episode undoes Kes' well-received send-off and makes her a villain for poorly explained reasons, most fans prefer to pretend this episode never happened.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kes travels back to a point when Seska would still have been onboard, making secret deals with the Kazon, just like Kes does with the Vidiians. If only the show had been able to get ''two'' old guest stars to return for this episode...
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...)
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...)
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** Kes travels back to a point when Seska would still have been onboard, making secret deals with the Kazon, just like Kes does with the Vidiians. If only the show had been able to get ''two'' old guest stars to return for this episode...
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...))
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** Kes travels back to a point when Seska would still have been onboard, making secret deals with the Kazon, just like Kes does with the Vidiians. If only the show had been able to get ''two'' old guest stars to return for this episode...
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...
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* CharacterDerailment: Many if not most Kes fans feel this episode commits this against the character.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: People who ''dislike'' Kes tend to enjoy her portrayal in this episode, finding her much more fun as a villain.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few {{Call Back}}s to "Before and After."
** First, for those who need their memories refreshed: in "Before and After," Kes experienced an alternate future in which B'Elanna and Janeway were killed. Tom then married Kes, and they had a daughter, who married Harry Kim (it MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext), producing Kes's grandson Andrew. At the end of the episode Kes was back in the main timeframe, and immediately warned Janeway about the Krenim, saving Janeway and B'Elanna, but consequentially erasing Linnis and Andrew from existence, and apparently her own chance of having a family and a peaceful, average life.
** In "Fury," Kes is irrationally enraged with Voyager and Janeway, but the only explanation she gives is that they put ideas of exploration in her head. We don't know what happened to Kes after she left Voyager, but think of this: she saw one possible future where she lived a peaceful family life, she sacrificed it to save her friends on Voyager, and then she went on to apparently live a rather crappy life.
** Right before Kes kills B'Elanna, she glares smugly at her, like it's something personal. Seems Kes changed her mind about wanting to let B'Elanna get the happily ever after with Tom.
** And how was Kes able to do her time-traveling in "Fury" in the first place? No explanation is given, other than her somehow managing to use power from the warp core. But "Before and After" established that she had tachyons in her body, left over from that alternate future. In her evolved state, Kes must've found out how to use those tachyons to her advantage. And while she's doing exactly that, is when she kills B'Elanna.
** First, for those who need their memories refreshed: in "Before and After," Kes experienced an alternate future in which B'Elanna and Janeway were killed. Tom then married Kes, and they had a daughter, who married Harry Kim (it MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext), producing Kes's grandson Andrew. At the end of the episode Kes was back in the main timeframe, and immediately warned Janeway about the Krenim, saving Janeway and B'Elanna, but consequentially erasing Linnis and Andrew from existence, and apparently her own chance of having a family and a peaceful, average life.
** In "Fury," Kes is irrationally enraged with Voyager and Janeway, but the only explanation she gives is that they put ideas of exploration in her head. We don't know what happened to Kes after she left Voyager, but think of this: she saw one possible future where she lived a peaceful family life, she sacrificed it to save her friends on Voyager, and then she went on to apparently live a rather crappy life.
** Right before Kes kills B'Elanna, she glares smugly at her, like it's something personal. Seems Kes changed her mind about wanting to let B'Elanna get the happily ever after with Tom.
** And how was Kes able to do her time-traveling in "Fury" in the first place? No explanation is given, other than her somehow managing to use power from the warp core. But "Before and After" established that she had tachyons in her body, left over from that alternate future. In her evolved state, Kes must've found out how to use those tachyons to her advantage. And while she's doing exactly that, is when she kills B'Elanna.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kes travels back to a point when Seska would still have been onboard, making secret deals with the Kazon, just like Kes does with the Vidiians. If only the show had been able to get ''two'' old guest stars to return for this episode...
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...)
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kes travels back to a point when Seska would still have been onboard, making secret deals with the Kazon, just like Kes does with the Vidiians. If only the show had been able to get ''two'' old guest stars to return for this episode...
** Kes's "fury" would also have made infinitely more sense as a callback to "Before and After." She essentially sacrificed her daughter, grandson, and happy life aboard Voyager to save Janeway and B'Elanna. An episode about Kes trying to restore a previously seen BadFuture would've been pretty interesting, although this too would require hiring more guest actors. (Not to mention the complexities of bringing up the now twice-erased "Year of Hell"...)
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* HarsherInHindsight: This episode is a lot harder to watch in light of Creator/{{JenniferLien}}'s mental health and legal problems throughout the 2010s.
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* HarsherInHindsight: This episode is a lot harder to watch in light of Jennifer Lien's mental health and legal problems throughout the 2010s.
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* BrokenBase: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' Kes.
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* BrokenBase: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that--[[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' Kes.
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* BaseBreaker: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' Kes.
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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' Kes.
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* BaseBreaker: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' [[CanonSue Kes.]]
* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few CallBacks to "Before and After."
* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few CallBacks to "Before and After."
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* BaseBreaker: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' [[CanonSue Kes.]]
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* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a fewCallBacks {{Call Back}}s to "Before and After."
* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few
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* BaseBreaker: Kes fans obviously hate this episode. Most fans of the show just think it wasn't well written. But some people who dislike Kes's usual character love this episode, because they find an evil Kes more interesting, and/or because it's the only Kes-based episode that--[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in their opinions]]--revolves around a ''flawed'' [[CanonSue Kes.]]
* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few CallBacks to "Before and After."
** First, for those who need their memories refreshed: in "Before and After," Kes experienced an alternate future in which B'Elanna and Janeway were killed. Tom then married Kes, and they had a daughter, who married Harry Kim (it MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext), producing Kes's grandson Andrew. At the end of the episode Kes was back in the main timeframe, and immediately warned Janeway about the Krenim, saving Janeway and B'Elanna, but consequentially erasing Linnis and Andrew from existence, and apparently her own chance of having a family and a peaceful, average life.
** In "Fury," Kes is irrationally enraged with Voyager and Janeway, but the only explanation she gives is that they put ideas of exploration in her head. We don't know what happened to Kes after she left Voyager, but think of this: she saw one possible future where she lived a peaceful family life, she sacrificed it to save her friends on Voyager, and then she went on to apparently live a rather crappy life.
** Right before Kes kills B'Elanna, she glares smugly at her, like it's something personal. Seems Kes changed her mind about wanting to let B'Elanna get the happily ever after with Tom.
** And how was Kes able to do her time-traveling in "Fury" in the first place? No explanation is given, other than her somehow managing to use power from the warp core. But "Before and After" established that she had tachyons in her body, left over from that alternate future. In her evolved state, Kes must've found out how to use those tachyons to her advantage. And while she's doing exactly that, is when she kills B'Elanna.
* FridgeBrilliance: Deliberately or by coincidence, this episode appears to have a few CallBacks to "Before and After."
** First, for those who need their memories refreshed: in "Before and After," Kes experienced an alternate future in which B'Elanna and Janeway were killed. Tom then married Kes, and they had a daughter, who married Harry Kim (it MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext), producing Kes's grandson Andrew. At the end of the episode Kes was back in the main timeframe, and immediately warned Janeway about the Krenim, saving Janeway and B'Elanna, but consequentially erasing Linnis and Andrew from existence, and apparently her own chance of having a family and a peaceful, average life.
** In "Fury," Kes is irrationally enraged with Voyager and Janeway, but the only explanation she gives is that they put ideas of exploration in her head. We don't know what happened to Kes after she left Voyager, but think of this: she saw one possible future where she lived a peaceful family life, she sacrificed it to save her friends on Voyager, and then she went on to apparently live a rather crappy life.
** Right before Kes kills B'Elanna, she glares smugly at her, like it's something personal. Seems Kes changed her mind about wanting to let B'Elanna get the happily ever after with Tom.
** And how was Kes able to do her time-traveling in "Fury" in the first place? No explanation is given, other than her somehow managing to use power from the warp core. But "Before and After" established that she had tachyons in her body, left over from that alternate future. In her evolved state, Kes must've found out how to use those tachyons to her advantage. And while she's doing exactly that, is when she kills B'Elanna.
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