History YMMV / SlyCooperThiefOfVirtue

** As of "Winter Storm", Eddard "Ned" Gray was supposed to be a DoggedNiceGuy who we're all supposed to feel bad for [[DidNotGetTheGirl because he didn't get Carmelita]] and wish nothing but the best for, but more often than not he seems more like an obnoxiously flat character who's ''constantly'' feeling sorry for himself to the point of being obnoxious; [[TheEeyore His behavior demonstrated through "Serpents Kiss" as well as at the midpoint of "Welcome to the Jungle" with his conversation with Carmelita]] only exacerbates the incel-like feel to his character. Ontop of that, he's demonstrated little to show that he's grown as a person aside from a preachy SuddenPrincipledStand against Torus in "Wrath of the Wolf King", and yet ''somehow'', ''[[DisproportionateReward this warranted him becoming the Director of Interpol and a love interest]]'', the latter which bares no relevance to the comic or series [[AuthorAppeal except to give Ned a love interest]].

** It's very easy to dislike Torus at first simply because he's against [[DesignatedHero Sly and the Cooper Gang]], but if you take into account certain aspects of the series, it becomes harder to hate him given that he's had more success than anyone else in Interpol in stopping crime and yet he still gets nothing but flak from everyone, including the pretentious [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Judge Bubo]]; his willingness to bypass his red tape helped him [[PetTheDog save innocents being terrorized by the Congo's warlords]] that Sly nor Bubo ever gave a second thought about. Ironically enough, the anti-liberal/progressive sentiment the author had in creating this character actually made Torus even more likeable than he intended.

** Bubo is meant to be a benevolent reasonable authority figure to call out Torus who's supposed to be seen as overstepping lines and taking things too far, but more often than not the owl comes across as a patronizing and arrogant obstructionist who's more concerned about red tape instead of stopping crime who, as director, put no rein on his detectives at all given [[IdiotBall he allowed Jack to get away with affiliating himself with Sly's Father and Torus to go corrupt with a gambling addiction]], both which lead to the tragedies that kickstarted the plot. He also criticizes Shelby for having bias in a ruling, [[{{Hypocrite}} but also does the same in a case he's presiding over during "Welcome to the Jungle"]] yet doesn't think twice about the fact ''[[DoubleStandard and is still portrayed sympathetically despite the fact]]'', which he tries to pass off to Torus as "perspective on civil cases" in the next chapter. It's also mentioned he has bank accounts that Torus apparently criticized in "Wrath of the Wolf King" raising speculation on what sort of dealings he had going on behind the scenes when he was Director and the kind of corruption he dabbled in/allowed.
** Jack Lupus is supposedly a upstanding, chivalrous CowboyCop...yet, aside from having killed someone in the past because he ''thought'' they were armed instead of maiming them, he claims his wife left him for reasons he says were based on choice; given his reactionism lampshaded by Torus, however, there's alot of things that can put Jack in a negative light because of that which could justify his wife's actions, and the objectivism he displays at the diner he brought Drake to for his Birthday doesn't help his case either. Add onto the fact that he's extremely preachy in general, gets away with working with a thief, and essentially kickstarted [[spoiler: Drake Lupus' plans in destroying Interpol by recklessly giving him the medallion which gave him the 3 crystals]]...his kindness and civility ends up just coming off as a disingenuous façade for being a bad person deep down.

** Very little is known about the nameless female mouse mentioned in the Big-lipped alligator trope entry; She might've come out of a very abusive/strict/controlling relationship where the guy insisted on doing everything for her instead of letting her live. That sort of thing can leave one with raw, easily-frayed nerves when faced with things that reminded of past situations when Drake opened the door for her.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director. Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative hands-off mindset and with lots of red tape, essentially making him Jack Lupus 2.0, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do in the Sly-fanverse. The fact that it's thanks to Sly that the fact that the warlords were threatening innocents in the Congo went over his head contributes to Ned and Bubo's kind of mindset, and it just solidifies how unqualified Ned is and only ends up making him seem as detestable as Torus was intended to be.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director. Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative hands-off mindset and with lots of red tape, essentially making him Jack Lupus 2.0, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do in the Sly-fanverse. The fact that it's thanks to Sly that the fact that the warlords were threatening innocents in the Congo went over his head contributes to Ned and Bubo's kind of mindset, and it just solidifies how unqualified Ned is and how detestable he really is overall.

*** The beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns...essentially Ned just plans to ignore the issue and not address corruption in the same manner that Bubo did ([[IdiotPlot which was why the entire mess began]])

*** The beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director; Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative hands-off mindset and with lots of red tape, essentially making him Jack Lupus 2.0, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do in the Sly-fanverse. The fact that it's thanks to Sly that the fact that the warlords were threatening innocents in the Congo went over his head contributes to Ned and Bubo's kind of mindset, and it just solidifies how unqualified Ned is and how detestable he really is overall.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director; Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative hands-off mindset and with lots of red tape, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do in the Sly-fanverse, and the fact that it's thanks to Sly that this went over his head, just shows how unqualified Ned is and how detestable he really is.

** Much of how Ned answer's the reporters in "The New Director".

** Much of how Ned answer's the reporters.
*** the beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns.

* FridgeHorror: Seeing that Sly and his gang were more concerned about getting Drake's green crystal from Zahn than they were about the warlords going off to go and wreak havoc with their new weapons (which, again, Sly neglected to mention after waking up), innocents would have been killed by the warlords if [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight Torus didn't "bypass" Bubo through Shelby to invade the Congo]].

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director; the beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns. When asked if he intends to take Interpol down a progressive direction? Ned yet again dodges the question and states [[BlindObedience he'd enforce every law exactly how it was written]], [[LameExcuse even if he “disagreed” with them]] until the "appropriate party" has determined to change the law (which, given Bubo's potential hand in things at Interpol, [[FixingTheGame may be never]]); basically this insinuates he intends to take a LawfulStupid approach, ''[[JustFollowingOrders even when its the morally wrong thing to do]]'', and then hide behind disingenuous disagreement to downplay the fact which reeks of hypocrisy given how he worked with a master thief similar to Jack Lupus; Basically, Ned just told that reporter ''no''. Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative hands-off mindset and with lots of red tape, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do in the Sly-fanverse.

* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Sort of; All the characters in the comic, except for Ice, [[AccidentalPun butt heads with the water buffalo]], Torus. Despite that, he is popular with a little more than half of the fanbase (especially with the comic's critics) while being disliked by the other half.

* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: During Drake's backstory flashback, there's a scene where a young Drake opens a door for a [[StrawFeminist mouse woman, who throws a hissy fit about it.]] It seems to exist for no reason than [[TakeThat to take a potshot at feminists]].

* InformedWrongness: Pretty much in anything that Torus ever does inside the comic is somehow bad.

* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Lady Venom and Colonel Zahn are freed despite their crimes and the latter has clear intentions of settling the score with Sly one day, along with the fact that Vick ends up taking over Drake's Criminal empire which is portrayed sympathetically for whatever reason. To top it off, Torus is arbitrarily replaced by Eddard "Ned" Grey; an officer that lacks his experience and did very little to actually warrant his promotion to Director, who will probably approach the position with Jack's mindset and in a way that meets [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Bubo]]'s approval (and "The New Director" confirms [[AscendedFridgeHorror all that]] [[UpToEleven and more]]). Despite all this, the ending is weirdly upbeat like Thieves in Time was despite that its shown that most of the remaining villains (save for Kevin, Kre, and Caesar) are either still at large or plotting revenge, and the hands-on Director Torus who had a progressive mindset and was willing to bypass red tape to stop criminals is now gone. Apparently all that matters is that Carmelita and Sly are together again and the Cooper gang is reunited...]]

* DracoInLeatherPants: Drake and Lady Venom get this treatment ''a lot'' due to most of the audience sympathizing with the former and fantasizing over the latter. Even the author himself gives them this treatment after the comic [[BabiesEverAfter by giving them a son and a daughter]].

* RonTheDeathEater: Bubo and Ned are given this treatment by the comic's critics; with the former, it's because of constantly being a preachy and hypocritical obstructionist who essentially let Jack off the hook for his actions while attacking Torus for essentially getting results and apparently private bank accounts that Torus briefly mentions, while the latter is vilified due to his mopey self-loathing nature (some which people interpreted as incel-like) and seemingly being under Bubo's thumb as assumed by his epilogue with "The New director" essentially backing this theory.

* RonTheDeathEater: Bubo and Ned are given this treatment by the comic's critics; with the former, it's because constantly being a preachy and hypocritical obstructionist who essentially let Jack off the hook for his actions and apparently private bank accounts that Torus briefly mentions, while the latter is vilified due to his mopey self-loathing nature and seemingly being under Bubo's thumb as assumed by his epilogue with "The New director" essentially backing this theory.

** How the ending of Thief of Virtue was resolved and ''why'' Sly and Carmelita ''suddenly'' grew distant. The fact that the series never got a canon resolution didn't help this at all.

* AcceptableTargets: [[StrawLiberal Liberals]], progressives, the media[[note]]shown in "To Protect and Serve"[[/note]], [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight "activist]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure judges"]], members of social movements[[note]]shown in "The New Director[[/note]]...basically anything that's on the left side of the political spectrum (sans the media, which is always considered left by most conservatives) is portrayed unsympathetically at best, and vilified at worst.

* AcceptableTargets: [[StrawLiberal Liberals]], progressives, the media, [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight "activist]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure judges"]], members of social movements[[note]]this one being shown in "The New Director[[/labelnote]]...basically anything that's on the left side of the political spectrum (sans the media, which is always considered left by most conservatives) is portrayed unsympathetically at best, and vilified at worst.

* AcceptableTargets: [[StrawLiberal Liberals]], progressives, the media, [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight "activist]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure judges"]], members of social movements (this one being shown in "The New Director)...basically anything that's on the left side of the political spectrum (sans the media, which is always considered left by most conservatives) is portrayed unsympathetically at best, and vilified at worst.

* AcceptableTargets: [[StrawLiberal Liberals]], progressives, the media, [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight "activist]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure judges"]], members of social movements...basically anything that's on the left side of the political spectrum (sans the media, which is always considered left by most conservatives) is portrayed unsympathetically at best, and vilified at worst.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director; the beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns. When asked if he intends to take Interpol down a progressive direction? Ned yet again dodges the question and states [[NonAnswer he'd enforce every law exactly how it was written]], [[BlindObedience even if he “disagreed” with them]]; basically this insinuates he intends to take a LawfulStupid approach, ''[[JustFollowingOrders even when its the morally wrong thing to do]]'', and then hide behind [[LameExcuse disingenuous disagreement]] to downplay the fact which reeks of hypocrisy given how he worked with a master thief similar to Jack Lupus; Basically, Ned just told that reporter ''no''. Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; with a conservative mindset and with lots of red tape, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do.

** Bubo's criticism of the "Judiciary council" that voted 5-4 on letting Torus invade Switzerland not being a "decisive majority" alludes to the outcomes of the supreme court rulings on the ACA and DOMA which happened to have the same outcome.

*** It gets worse in "The New Director" given how much AscendedFridgeHorror it's loaded with when he begins to reveal his originalist-like, hands-off intent during a press conference as the new Chief Director; the beginning of his answer to [[StrawLiberal the second reporter]] asking to how Ned intends to fix [[FantasticRacism the targeting of specific animal types]]? He begins it with "All lives matter", a slogan widely considered to be willfully ignorant of systemic racism in real life, and then follows it with a [[NonAnswer tone-deaf speech]] that doesn't even bother to address the reporter's concerns. When asked if he intends to take Interpol down a progressive direction? Ned yet again dodges the question and states [[NonAnswer he'd enforce every law exactly how it was written]], [[BlindObedience even if he “disagreed” with them]]; basically this insinuates he intends to take a LawfulStupid approach, ''[[JustFollowingOrders even when its the morally wrong thing to do]]'', and then hide behind [[LameExcuse disingenuous disagreement]] to downplay the fact which reeks of hypocrisy given how he worked with a master thief similar to Jack Lupus; Basically, Ned just told that reporter ''no''. Essentially he becomes an {{Foil}} to Torus at the end of the story and runs Interpol exactly in the way Bubo would have wanted it; a conservative mindset and with lots of red tape, which "Welcome to the Jungle" already showed why that is an awful thing to do.

** How the ending of Thief of Virtue was resolved and ''why'' Sly and Carmelita ''suddenly'' grew distant.