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  • Acceptable Targets: Liberals, progressives, the media, "activist judges", members of social movements...basically anything that's on the left side of the political spectrum (sans the media, which is always considered left by most conservatives) is portrayed unsympathetically at best, and vilified at worst.
  • Accidental Innuendo: The title is supposed to mean that Sly is a virtuous thief but it makes him kind of sound like a rapist.The reason why? 
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  • Anvilicious: The minute that the chapter “Welcome to the Jungle” and "Wrath of the Wolf King" hit their halfway points, Jack Lupus became a mouthpiece for the self-determination aesop of the story and starts hammering it in by constantly talking about how people get to decide who and what they are, that people aren't born a certain way and that we can't "simply shirk responsibility" by claiming it's "simply our nature", and that everything is always a matter of choice to the point that it comes off as objectivist and even reactionary depending on how it's interpreted.
  • Ass Pull: One could say the entire plot of the comic counts as such, given that it continues off a game that never got a proper conclusion, but more specifically...
    • How the ending of Thief of Virtue was resolved and why Sly and Carmelita suddenly grew distant.
    • How Clockwerk and the Necklace are at all connected; the author really didn't elaborate much on it aside from the fact that it was given to Drake.
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    • Torus' character development; suddenly everyone dislikes him and he's seen as a tyrant because of arresting Sly Cooper and other criminals. The way people react to Torus' actions don't even remotely make sense. Despite Sly and the cameos he arrested were criminals, he's still ostracized by the public.
    • Ned becoming the Chief Director of Interpol; while this was popular with the author's fans, it doesn't exactly make sense in-universe given that he is only an inspector and doesn't actually have any leadership experience. A Sudden Principled Stand doesn't exactly call for that nor justify it; not even "The New Director" justifies the logic behind it.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: During Drake's backstory flashback, there's a scene where a young Drake opens a door for a mouse woman, who throws a hissy fit about it. It seems to exist for no reason than to take a potshot at feminists.
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  • Designated Hero: Sly tends to act rather selfish in this comic and almost kills Kevin Turbo by threatening to tip his car into water. In the chapter "Welcome to the Jungle", Sly neglects to mention that there were warlords who Zahn had sold weapons to that planned to terrorize the Congo. A thief indeed, but of virtue? That's debatable.
  • Designated Love Interest: Ned is presented as a rival with Sly for Carmelita's affections but he doesn't do anything to win her over or deepen their relationship, not to mention how Sly and Carmelita have known each other much longer than he has.
  • Designated Villain: Torus is seen as a tyrannical director who oversteps his bounds and abuses his power by everyone in the comic and often written to seem like it for the sake of making a political statement, but his actions and veiled ideals are actually rather justifiable from a realistic standpoint and even in the Sly universe considering how incompetent Interpol is in the game.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Drake and Lady Venom get this treatment alot due to most of the audience sympathizing with the former and fantasizing over the latter. Even the author himself gives them this treatment after the comic by giving them a son and a daughter.
  • Esoteric Happy Ending: Lady Venom and Colonel Zahn are freed despite their crimes and the latter has clear intentions of settling the score with Sly one day, along with the fact that Vick ends up taking over Drake's Criminal empire which is portrayed sympathetically for whatever reason. To top it off, Torus is arbitrarily replaced by Eddard "Ned" Grey; an officer that lacks his experience and did very little to actually warrant his promotion to Director, who will probably approach the position with Jack's mindset and in a way that meets Bubo's approval (and "The New Director" confirms all that and more). Despite all this, the ending is weirdly upbeat like Thieves in Time was despite that its shown that most of the remaining villains (save for Kevin, Kre, and Caesar) are either still at large or plotting revenge, and the hands-on Director Torus who had a progressive mindset and was willing to bypass red tape to stop criminals is now gone. Apparently all that matters is that Carmelita and Sly are together again and the Cooper gang is reunited...
  • Fan Myopia: Many of the fans of this work, especially those disillusioned with the the last game, think that this is well-written and something worth considering canon while overlooking its flaws and political subtext.
  • Fridge Brilliance: Given that "Cold, Cold heart" implied that the cybernetics from "project winter" were what drove Snow into becoming the deranged killer he was in the comic, it only makes sense that the same would occur with Ice which most likely explains why she refused to listen to Sly when the castle was crumbling.
  • Fridge Horror: Seeing that Sly and his gang were more concerned about getting Drake's green crystal from Zahn than they were about the warlords going off to go and wreak havoc with their new weapons (which, again, Sly neglected to mention after waking up), innocents would have been killed by the warlords if Torus didn't "bypass" Bubo through Shelby to invade the Congo.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: In 2016, the chapter "Wrath of the Wolf King" had Torus supposedly going down an authoritarian slippery slope since "Welcome to the Jungle". Later that year the United States elected Donald J. Trump, a person very much like Torus due to sharing his authoritarian streak and constant dismissal of critics as well as abuse of power, as the 45th President who's actions and the protests ignited by them would go on to eerily mirror Torus in some cases; What no one expected was that his politics were the opposite of the fictional Director's, which made Torus look like a saint in comparison.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Thanks to scenes involving Lady Venom and Ned, the author would end up getting commissions that had to do with vore and snakes among other things after the conclusion of his comic.
  • Ho Yay: Sly and Drake's fathers were very close friends with their wives completely out of the picture (Jack's wife left him for unknown reasons and Dad Cooper's wife isn't seen or mentioned).
  • Idiot Plot: Jack Lupus and Dominic Torus are to thank for every bad thing that ever happened in this comic; the former more than the latter since he took a talisman that would end up giving Drake the three crystals that eventually kickstarted his career as a criminal mastermind.
  • Informed Wrongness: Pretty much in anything that Torus ever does inside the comic is somehow bad.
  • It's Not Supposed to Win Oscars: The author has relied on the fact that Thief of Virtue is a fancomic regarding certain aspects of his story that made no sense.
  • Iron Woobie: Jack Lupus; His wife divorced him for reasons unknown, he's been criticized by media, he's criticized by Torus for being a Republican and being too soft on criminals, he gets yelled at for having his son open the door for a woman, and but he's still calm and kind.
  • Misaimed Fandom: Despite the author clearly trying to make a political point with his comic and trying to sway people to the right with negative subtext through character's like Torus and Shelby, most of the audience read it as a plain Sly fan-comic and only disliked Torus for being against Sly Cooper and coming off as arrogant, with only a select few in his fanbase and critics outside of it catching onto the author's intent.
  • One-Scene Wonder: There was a nameless female mouse whom Drake opened the door for in one of his flashbacks whom has essentially become a target for the vocal part of the author's fanbase, and a blatant attempt at a Straw Feminist noticed by critics of the comic.
  • Strawman Has a Point:
    • While the author tries to portray her as nasty and condescending in "Winter Storm", Ice does inadvertently make a good point in her speech with Ned, given that some "nice guys" selfishly expect women to flock to them simply for being nice or giving disingenuous compliments, rather than their character, and in Ned's case its implied that he expected her to pick him over Sly given his tone-deaf inquisition over Torus' claims regarding Carmelita and Sly. Given that Ned's almost oblivious to her feelings for Sly and doesn't really have much character, Ice did make a very good case in her brutally honest lecture to him, however harsh it was.
    • We're supposed to believe Torus is wrong in saying that change must be forced where its denied...but is he though? Many instances in history have shown that change has had to be forced rather than taught such as the American Civil War and World War II, and that's all that will be said on the matter. With that being said, however, Torus is actually right in a sense given that not everyone wants be taught to change for the better, and that ultimately its necessary to force them to whether people think they're in a position to or not.
  • Squick: The shot of Lady Venom's mouth as she was about to swallow Ned whole, and then the page that showed her finishing him up can be difficult to look at without feeling sick, and lets not even get started about Inigo....
  • Tough Act to Follow: Most of the author's vore, transformation drawings, and mini-comics don't garner him nearly as much praise from his fanbase as Thief of Virtue once did.
  • Unacceptable Target: Cops and conservatives are apparently a no-no, as shown through Jack Lupus who's both; any time he's attacked or snarked at, he's supposed to be seen as the victim.
  • Unintentionally Sympathetic: Despite the author's attempts at making the characters seem harsh and nasty, there's many aspects to them that make them more likeable than the one's portrayed sympathetically.
    • It's very easy to dislike Torus at first simply because he's against Sly and the Cooper Gang, but if you take into account certain aspects of the series, it becomes harder to hate him given that he's had more success than anyone else in Interpol in stopping crime and yet he still gets nothing but flak from everyone, including the pretentious Judge Bubo; his willingness to bypass his red tape helped him save innocents being terrorized by the Congo's warlords that Sly nor Bubo ever gave a second thought about. Ironically enough, the anti-liberal/progressive sentiment the author had in creating this character actually made Torus even more likeable than he intended.
    • Very little is known about the nameless female mouse mentioned in the Big-lipped alligator trope entry; She might've come out of a very abusive/strict/controlling relationship where the guy insisted on doing everything for her instead of letting her live. That sort of thing can leave one with raw, easily-frayed nerves when faced with things that reminded of past situations when Drake opened the door for her.
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  • Unpopular Popular Character: Sort of; All the characters in the comic, except for Ice, butt heads with the water buffalo, Torus. Despite that, he is popular with a little more than half of the fanbase (especially with the comic's critics) while being disliked by the other half.
  • Values Dissonance:
    • In the first chapter of "To Protect and Serve", Jack Lupus shot and killed Jean Devreaux who he thought was armed but actually wasn't, and then used the hostage as their reason for making the judgement call; essentially this was meant to generate sympathy for cops who shot first because they thought someone was armed or feared for their life. Given the cases of police brutality (most of which resulted in the death of the person) that occurred sometime after the making of the comic which used excuses akin to that to justify the racial discrimination involved, this hasn't exactly aged well nor would most people see this as a feasible scenario today.
    • In "The New Director", alot of Ned's originalist-like responses towards the reporters at his conference along with his intended way of running Interpol would not fly well with today's audiences and would leave a bitter taste in the mouths' of most viewers outside the author's fanbase after 2020 due to political fiascos regarding both the Supreme Court and how the incidents regarding police brutality were addressed by judges and law enforcement, which drew much backlash, mirror how Ned responded to the reporter.
  • Vanilla Protagonist: Some believe that Sly Cooper and Carmelita got turned into this so that more focus and emphasis was put into the Author's own characters.
  • Wangst: There was alot of this after the chapter "Winter Storm", especially with Sly Cooper, Drake Lupus, and Ned; moreso with Ned than any of them, given his constant sulking of why women don't like nice guys and 24/7 self-pitying around Carmelita it's just him that doesn't get the girls.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: Despite that the fancomic and the side stories that were made after are based on an politics-free series that is supposed to be about thieves and stealing loot from other criminals with an even bigger plot behind each installment, the existence and development of Director Dominic Torus and Judge Shelby can be seen as turning the story of the comic into one big subtle jab at leftism and judicial activism seeing how Torus' implied "liberalism" (which is more akin to conservatism) and Shelby's activism is apparently meant to be what accelerates Drake Lupus' plans and allows him to cause chaos. There are also other aspects of the story that support this:
    • Jack Lupus and Bubo are explicitly stated to be a Republican and conservative respectively in Torus' dialogue, and are portrayed sympathetically compared to Torus and his affiliates.
    • Gun control is pushed as a plot point at the end of "Welcome to the Jungle" and is done in an exaggerated manner that conservatives frequently expect would happen.
    • Bubo's criticism of the "Judiciary council" that voted 5-4 on letting Torus invade Switzerland not being a "decisive majority" alludes to the outcomes of the supreme court rulings on the ACA and DOMA which happened to have the same outcome.
    • Torus' ordering Ice to attack Ned and then Vick calling him out for "silencing someone for standing up for their beliefs" basically mirroring the conservative narrative that liberals "silence anyone who they disagree with".
    • In "The New Director", Ned's answers are akin to that of an originalist and ultraconservative politician, and he's portrayed sympathetically unlike the reporters in his story (one of them who the author insinuates was apart of a social movement, basically insinuating it was something like Black Lives Matter). The author even uses Ned to dogwhistle the All Lives Matter slogan in that same line. Unlike with Jack or Bubo, the author intentionally hid Ned's politics and got his fanbase to sympathize with him first, then revealed his politics after the comic ended.
    • In general, the fact that Interpol operates like the US government in this comic and mirrored controversial issues in the USA during the mid 2010s makes it even harder to ignore the conservative subtext.

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