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Incorrectly-indented natter entry which isn't even YMMV.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that ''she'' is responsible for said abuse.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine borders on actual rape many times.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, JerkassWoobie, and his treatment of Aine borders on actual rape many times.
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* IdiotPlot: In the anime, most of the situations are consequence of bad decisions and things that the characters shouldn't do or say. The worst part is that they obviously should know that, [[spoiler:like the record company producer making stupid decisions or Sakuya admitting his past as a troublemaker to a reporter]].
* JerkAssWoobie: Sakuya, if you feel charitable due to his BreakTheCutie backstory.
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, Riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FlirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
* JerkAssWoobie: Sakuya, if you feel charitable due to his BreakTheCutie backstory.
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, Riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FlirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
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* IdiotPlot: In the anime, most of the situations are consequence of bad decisions and things that the characters shouldn't do or say. The worst part is that they obviously should know that, [[spoiler:like the record company producer making stupid decisions or Sakuya admitting his past as a troublemaker to a reporter]].
* JerkAssWoobie:JerkassWoobie: Sakuya, if you feel charitable due to his BreakTheCutie backstory.
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, Riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FlirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.backstory.
* JerkAssWoobie:
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, Riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FlirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts Rape Is Love many times.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts Rape Is Love borders on actual rape many times.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: When Aine and Sakuya spend the night with the Yukimuras after they've finally approved of Sakuya and Aine's relationship. [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents Hilarity Ensues]].
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: When Aine and Sakuya spend the night with the Yukimuras after they've finally approved of Sakuya and Aine's relationship. [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents Hilarity Ensues]].
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that ''she'' is responsible for said abuse.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that ''she'' is responsible for said abuse.
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* MagnificentBastard: Ralph
* MarySue: Anime!Aine has been accused many times of being one, specially since she appeared only in the second half of the anime.
* MarySue: Anime!Aine has been accused many times of being one, specially since she appeared only in the second half of the anime.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]]]
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: When Aine and Sakuya spend the night with the Yukimuras after they've finally approved of Sakuya and Aine's relationship. [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents Hilarity Ensues]].
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a decent FreudianExcuse because of that and ''does'' somewhat get better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove Rape Is Love many times.
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, riri, Riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FirtyStepsiblings [[FlirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Riri, riri, Riri]]. You ''could'' have had [[spoiler: Atsuro]] at your feet even if just for the public, but then you ''had'' to [[spoiler: verbally crucify his [[FirtyStepsiblings sister/girlfriend]] aka the girl you wanted to steal him from]]? Enjoy your [[spoiler: verbal lashing]] from the person you wanted for yourself.
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* DieForOurShip: More than one anime-only fan FAR preferred [[AloofDarkHairedGirl Missa]] to [[NaiveEverygirl Aine]] as Sakuya's love interest, since Aine was ''severely'' DemotedToExtra.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BBatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BBatmanGambit BatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya has a ''really'' good FreudianExcuse and does somewhat get better, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya led an extremely hard life as a kid/teenager, has a ''really'' good decent FreudianExcuse because of that and does ''does'' somewhat get better, better at the end of the manga, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' when said "friend" found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' named Sakura when said "friend" the other girl found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.girlfriend. [[spoiler: Sakuya was NOT happy when he found out and played a small BBatmanGambit to punish Sakura and teach her that Aine wasn't having it easier.]]
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responsible'' for said abuse.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''she'' is ''responsible'' responsible for said abuse.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' when said "friend" found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.
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* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' when said "friend" found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.
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* TheWoobie: If you're charitable to Aine, she comes off as this. Considering [[BreakTheCutie how the universe seems to bend over to fuck up with the girl's life]], it's with good reason.
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* TheWoobie: If you're charitable to Aine, she comes off as this. Considering [[BreakTheCutie how the universe seems to bend over to fuck up with the girl's life]], it's with good reason.reason.
* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' when said "friend" found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.
* YokoOhNo: In-story. Not only Aine was attacked by Aucifer rabid fanbrats, but in the manga she actually ''lost a friend'' when said "friend" found out she was Sakuya's girlfriend.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responsible'' for it.
* HoYay: Atsuro and Towa, in the anime
* HoYay: Atsuro and Towa, in the anime
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responsible'' for it.
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* HoYay: Atsuro and Towa, in theanimeanime.
* HoYay: Atsuro and Towa, in the
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responable'' for it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responable'' ''responsible'' for it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responable'' for it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' ''victim-blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she is ''responable'' for it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' is ''responable'' for it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for all of the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some went as far as to ''blame'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some went go as far as to ''blame'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some went as far as ''blaming'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Even worse, some went as far as ''blaming'' to ''blame'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya has a ''really'' good FreudianExcuse and does somewhat get better, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times. Not to mention, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Damn DoubleStandard.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya has a ''really'' good FreudianExcuse and does somewhat get better, but more than one fangirl forgets that ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times. Not to mention,
** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT.Damn DoubleStandard.Even worse, some went as far as ''blaming'' Aine for the abuse heaped on her and saying that she ''deserved'' it.
** DoubleStandard: OTOH, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT.
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* MarySue: Anime!Aine has been accused many times of being one, specially since she appeared only in the second half of the anime.
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* MarySue: Anime!Aine has been accused many times of being one, specially since she appeared only in the second half of the anime.anime.
* TheWoobie: If you're charitable to Aine, she comes off as this. Considering [[BreakTheCutie how the universe seems to bend over to fuck up with the girl's life]], it's with good reason.
* TheWoobie: If you're charitable to Aine, she comes off as this. Considering [[BreakTheCutie how the universe seems to bend over to fuck up with the girl's life]], it's with good reason.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya has a ''really'' good FreudianExcuse and does somewhat get better, but more than one fangirl forgets that at best he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times. Not to mention, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Damn DoubleStandard.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Sakuya has a ''really'' good FreudianExcuse and does somewhat get better, but more than one fangirl forgets that at best ''at best'' he's a JerkAssWoobie, and his treatment of Aine skirts RapeIsLove many times. Not to mention, many fans blame Aine and bash her as a "MarySue" (anime) or an "ExtremeDoormat" (manga), but they say nothing about Sakuya because he's OMG SO HOT. Damn DoubleStandard.
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* JerkAssWoobie: Sakuya, if you feel charitable due to his BreakTheCutie backstory.