Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / RevolutionaryGirlUtena

Go To

OR

Added: 1818

Changed: 906

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Once Original Now Common - as written, this example implies that bullying is tolerated in Japan but in western societies it is not, which is an overbroad claim. Moved some of sentiments expressed to Character Perception Evolution.


* CharacterPerceptionEvolution: Utena's characterization is unusual, but in a way that may frustrate viewers. She is an amiable, straightforward girl, but she does not read into the things going on around her very much. It gets hard to watch when there is so much around her to read into. She may come across as a flat character until she starts showing more emotional vulnerability later in the series.



* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially Western ones might see Utena as a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day, but in the west almost expect it. Also, her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom. This can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat ''until'' she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypically feminine behavior later in the series. To make matters worse, Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.

to:

* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially Western ones might see Utena as a little flat, all her quirks OnceOriginalNowCommon:
** These days, anime fans who look up this series are likely to compare it to its antecedents,
and ticks have been copied to death, say "Oh! This is like ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Madoka Magica]]''," or "Oh! This is like ''[[Anime/ShoujoKagekiRevueStarlight Revue Starlight]]''," when the fact directors of these works openly acknowledge that she's tomboyish they were inspired by Ikuhara. Ikuhara has helped enough creatives break into animation over the years that industry watchers suggest the people he's taught form an "Ikuhara school" of animation.
** Contemporary viewers may wonder what is so revolutionary about this supposedly revolutionary girl, Utena. Tomboy heroines are pretty common now, so if that's her distinguishing point it
might fly over people's the heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike of today's viewers. Some viewers may also be unimpressed by the show's positioning of standing up to bullies as a heroic act (given the increased focus on bullying prevention since the 90s.) The reality is that bullying ends up being small potatoes in terms of the issues the series tackles, and action-oriented tomboy heroines weren't unheard of in 90s anime either. In fact, there's a history of crossdressing shoujo heroines going back to the 1950s that this series is tapping into. The difference between Utena and [[Manga/PrincessKnight Sapphire]] or [[Manga/TheRoseOfVersailles Oscar]] is that she stays in the day, but in masculine/feminine and gay/straight gray space to the west almost expect it. Also, her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom. This can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat ''until'' she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypically feminine behavior later in the series. To make matters worse, Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with end of the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
General clarification on work content


** This wiki used to have this series listed as AnimeFirst because Chiho Saito was the last member to join [=Be-PaPas=] -- which may be true, but the manga was being published several months before the anime started airing, which is referenced by Saito-sensei in the early volumes. It's also worth noting that many tropes that are deconstructed in the anime series are played much straighter in the manga.

to:

** This wiki used to have this lists the series listed as AnimeFirst because Chiho Saito was the last member to join [=Be-PaPas=] -- which may be true, but the manga was being published is based on the plans for the anime. Still, the manga started serialization several months before the anime started airing, which is referenced by Saito-sensei making it technically the first work in the early volumes. series. The wiki went back-and-forth about whether consider it manga first or anime first, but as more information disseminated about the development process, anime first became the consensus. It's also worth noting that many tropes that are deconstructed in the manga is significantly different from the anime series are played and it plays its tropes much straighter in the manga.straighter.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** [[spoiler:Anthy herself]] is eventually revealed to be this. [[spoiler:She was forced to eternally bear the pain of 100 swords being stabbed into her body at once for trying to protect her brother, who would gradually devolve into a CompleteMonster in the centuries to follow. Akio rapes and regularly abuses her despite him being related to him, and she's used as a prop to be abused by him and those manipulated by him for years before watching the first person she made a true connection with [[NotQuiteDead possibly]] die. On the other hand, she went along with and facilitated his horrifying schemes, which included raping numerous other people and well as murdering them, if mostly because she doesn't see any other way to be and out of fear that the outside world would be even worse.]]

to:

** [[spoiler:Anthy herself]] is eventually revealed to be this. [[spoiler:She was forced to eternally bear the pain of 100 swords being stabbed into her body at once for trying to protect her brother, who would gradually devolve into a CompleteMonster in the centuries to follow. Akio rapes and regularly abuses her despite him being related to him, and she's used as a prop to be abused by him and those manipulated by him for years before watching the first person she made a true connection with [[NotQuiteDead possibly]] die. On the other hand, she went along with and facilitated his horrifying schemes, which included raping numerous other people and well as murdering them, if mostly because she doesn't see any other way to be of [[LoveMartyr misguided devotion]], and [[HopeIsScary out of fear that the outside world would be even worse.worse]].]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** [[spoiler:Anthy herself]] is eventually revealed to be this. [[spoiler:She was forced to eternally bear the pain of 100 swords being stabbed into her body at once for trying to protect her brother, who would gradually devolve into a CompleteMonster in the centuries to follow. Akio rapes and regularly abuses her despite him being related to him, and she's used as a prop to be abused by him and those manipulated by him for years before watching the first person she made a true connection with [[NotQuiteDead possibly]] die. On the other hand, she went along with and facilitated his horrifying schemes, which included raping numerous other people and well as murdering them.]]

to:

** [[spoiler:Anthy herself]] is eventually revealed to be this. [[spoiler:She was forced to eternally bear the pain of 100 swords being stabbed into her body at once for trying to protect her brother, who would gradually devolve into a CompleteMonster in the centuries to follow. Akio rapes and regularly abuses her despite him being related to him, and she's used as a prop to be abused by him and those manipulated by him for years before watching the first person she made a true connection with [[NotQuiteDead possibly]] die. On the other hand, she went along with and facilitated his horrifying schemes, which included raping numerous other people and well as murdering them.them, if mostly because she doesn't see any other way to be and out of fear that the outside world would be even worse.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
General clarification


* FauxSymbolism: Various weird visual cues, the most common being rotating stylized roses, which don't appear to have any particular meaning. Ikuhara doesn't help either -- he gives vague, non sequitur comments like saying the Shadow Girls are aliens (which ''would'' explain the repeated flying saucer imagery in their performances...). On the other hand, the pointing fingers in episode 22 seem to stand for ShipTease.

to:

* FauxSymbolism: Various The show builds up more and more weird visual cues, cues as it goes on, and the most common being rotating stylized roses, which don't appear connection between the imagery and whatever scene it appears in probably isn't intuitive. The creators aren't very helpful about it either -- Ikuhara seems to have any take particular meaning. Ikuhara doesn't help either -- he gives joy in vague, non sequitur non-sequitur comments like saying the Shadow Girls are aliens (which (although that ''would'' explain the repeated flying saucer imagery in their performances...). On performances.) The uncertainty can encourage an impression that the other hand, show is weird just to be weird - there's no ''meaning'' behind the pointing fingers in episode 22 seem spinning roses, they just signify that this is an ''artsy'' show and you're supposed to stand ''assume'' it's "''deeply symbolic''," but any attempt make them meaningful is just made up by some yahoo on the internet, or your friend who made you watch this show, or something you came up with on your own. (You ''can'' think up your own meaning for ShipTease.the symbolism, by the way. That's part of the reason why Ikuhara is so vague about it.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SignatureScene: Utena pulling her sword out of Anthy.
** The scene in episode 39 where [[spoiler: [[HumanPincushion Anthy is stabbed by the swords of hate.]]]]

Added: 931

Removed: 1075

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removing disambiguations


* EvilIsSexy: Akio Ohtori. He's quite the charmer ([[EvenTheGuysWantHim whose wiles know no gender limits]]), and is privy to many a ShirtlessScene.



* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially Western ones might see Utena as a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day, but in the west almost expect it. Also, her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom. This can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat ''until'' she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypically feminine behavior later in the series. To make matters worse, Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially Western ones might see Utena as a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day, but in the west almost expect it. Also, her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom. This can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat ''until'' she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypically feminine behavior later in the series. To make matters worse, Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.

Changed: 146

Removed: 112

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] [[spoiler:she has been rendered borderline insane and barely has grips of herself.]]



** Nanami, while her unbalanced mental state isn't questioned; Is she a spoiled RichBitch that wants everything her way or a pampered girl that, when push comes to shove she, surprisingly, of all people proves to have morals if skewed points of view?

to:

** Nanami, while her unbalanced mental state isn't questioned; Is she a spoiled RichBitch that wants everything her way way--- or is she a pampered pampered, frightened girl that, when push comes to shove she, surprisingly, with a moral core of all people proves to have morals if her own (if a somewhat skewed points view of view?reality)?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
TRS


%%* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: The series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RealismInducedHorror: Despite being in a surreal MindScrew series that [[WorldOfSymbolism largely operates on symbolism]], Akio is still a disturbingly realistic villain. Unlike most fictional pedophiles, you wouldn't suspect much from the guy at first glance. He's [[{{Bishonen}} handsome,]] [[FauxAffablyEvil sophisticated, charming and polite]] to such an extent that it's easy for him to make people let their guard down, he subtly emotionally manipulates them and serenades them with gifts and applause along with attempting to deflect blame onto them when he's called out for being a rapist, and his victims are generally people he knows and are close with, [[spoiler: most horrifically extending to his own younger sister.]]

to:

* RealismInducedHorror: Despite being in a surreal MindScrew series that [[WorldOfSymbolism largely operates on symbolism]], Akio is still a disturbingly realistic villain. Unlike most fictional pedophiles, sexual predators, you wouldn't suspect much from the guy at first glance. He's [[{{Bishonen}} handsome,]] [[FauxAffablyEvil sophisticated, charming and polite]] to such an extent that it's easy for him to make people let their guard down, he subtly emotionally manipulates them and serenades them with gifts and applause along with attempting to deflect blame onto them when he's called out for being a rapist, and his victims are generally people he knows and are close with, [[spoiler: most horrifically extending to his own younger sister.]]

Top