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** Yes, Saionji has his pitiable moments (mainly due to Touga's REALLY sucky treatment of him) but he's still a massive JerkAss and DomesticAbuser who slapped Anthy around while acting possessive of her, decked Miki as well at one point, [[spoiler: and threw Wakaba under the bus to return to the Council and Ohtori]].

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** Yes, Saionji has his pitiable moments (mainly due to Touga's REALLY sucky treatment of him) but he's still a massive JerkAss and DomesticAbuser domestic abuser who slapped Anthy around while acting possessive of her, decked Miki as well at one point, [[spoiler: and threw Wakaba under the bus to return to the Council and Ohtori]].



** Kyouichi Saionji counts too with [[BastardBoyfriend his]] [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty behavior]] [[DomesticAbuser towards Anthy]], his [[SanitySlippage mental instability]] and his {{Nightmare Face}}s. Ironically, he's one of the less sexual characters in the series; however, the same can't be said for movie!Saionji, who qualifies for this trope ten times over.

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** Kyouichi Saionji counts too with [[BastardBoyfriend his]] [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty behavior]] [[DomesticAbuser [[DomesticAbuse towards Anthy]], his [[SanitySlippage mental instability]] and his {{Nightmare Face}}s. Ironically, he's one of the less sexual characters in the series; however, the same can't be said for movie!Saionji, who qualifies for this trope ten times over.


** Is Saonji just a jerk who constantly abuses Anthy? Or a sweet but troubled guy with little hold of his emotions and ambitions? He only is a cruel abusive jerk when engaged to Anthy at any other moment he's actually pretty capable of showing a lot of sweet emotions even exchanging diaries and constantly trying to woo her, on the other side that is pretty common on abusive people to act nice after abusing their victim, to muddle things further he's nothing but sweet while living in Wakaba's dorm until he's presented with the opportunity of returning to the council as if his ambitions turn everything else secondary, even then he's still just a teen and a troubled one at that, victim of manipulation himself.



** Nanami, while her unbalanced mental state isn't questioned; is she a spoiled RichBitch that wants everything her way or a pampered girl that, when push comes to shove she, surprisingly, of all people proves to have morals if skewed points of view.

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** Nanami, while her unbalanced mental state isn't questioned; is Is she a spoiled RichBitch that wants everything her way or a pampered girl that, when push comes to shove she, surprisingly, of all people proves to have morals if skewed points of view. view?


** As a FeministFantasy, the series loves punishing [[HeManWomanHater sexists]], [[EffeminateMisogynisticGuy misogynists]], and [[DomesticAbuse abusers]] in varying degrees. [[TheBrute Saionji]] becomes the resident ButtMonkey in the series after Utena defeats him to free [[DesignatedVictim Anthy]] from his physical abuse. [[TheCasanova Touga's]] love for Utena ends up unrequited long after manipulating the athletic, outspoken ActionGirl into being passive and demure. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Miki]] has a case of MadonnaWhoreComplex about Anthy and Kozue (meaning he doesn't see them as full people in their own right), doesn't like Anthy as much when she's actually sticking up for herself instead of letting people slap her around, and has never won against Utena in the dueling game. [[DoggedNiceGuy Tsuwabuki]] gets called out for placing Nanami in a series of deadly situations [[RescueRomance so he can rescue her]]. [[WolfInSheepsClothing Ruka]] dies of an unspecified illness after abandoning Shiori, with whom he had sex, and [[AttemptedRape nearly raping]] [[BadassGay Juri]]. [[BigBad Akio]] [[spoiler:abuses his own sister using every possible imaginable way, [[QuestionsbleConsent has sex with teenagers]] like Touga and Utena, tells Utena to [[StayInTheKitchen give up fighting to live happily ever after with his prince]], and ends up utterly powerless after Anthy leaves him for good]].

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** As a FeministFantasy, the series loves punishing [[HeManWomanHater sexists]], [[EffeminateMisogynisticGuy misogynists]], and [[DomesticAbuse abusers]] in varying degrees. [[TheBrute Saionji]] becomes the resident ButtMonkey in the series after Utena defeats him to free [[DesignatedVictim Anthy]] from his physical abuse. [[TheCasanova Touga's]] love for Utena ends up unrequited long after manipulating the athletic, outspoken ActionGirl into being passive and demure. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Miki]] has a case of MadonnaWhoreComplex about Anthy and Kozue (meaning he doesn't see them as full people in their own right), doesn't like Anthy as much when she's actually sticking up for herself instead of letting people slap her around, and has never won against Utena in the dueling game. [[DoggedNiceGuy Tsuwabuki]] gets called out for placing Nanami in a series of deadly situations [[RescueRomance so he can rescue her]]. [[WolfInSheepsClothing Ruka]] dies of an unspecified illness after abandoning Shiori, with whom he had sex, and [[AttemptedRape nearly raping]] [[BadassGay Juri]]. [[BigBad Akio]] [[spoiler:abuses his own sister using every possible imaginable way, [[QuestionsbleConsent [[QuestionableConsent has sex with teenagers]] like Touga and Utena, tells Utena to [[StayInTheKitchen give up fighting to live happily ever after with his prince]], and ends up utterly powerless after Anthy leaves him for good]].

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* MemeticTroll: Anthy (AKA "Anthy the Savage") has been given this status from fans in recent years.


** Manga!Juri has absolutely no fans thanks to being shallow and immature compared to her beloved series counterpart, to say nothing of the AdaptationalSexuality issues that surround her.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially western ones might see Utena a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day but in the west almost expect it and her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom, this can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat UNTIL she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypical feminine behavior later in the series, to make matters worse Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.

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** Manga!Juri has absolutely no fans thanks to being shallow and immature compared to her beloved series anime counterpart, to say nothing of the AdaptationalSexuality issues that surround her.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially western Western ones might see Utena a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day but in the west almost expect it and her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom, this can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat UNTIL she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypical feminine behavior later in the series, to make matters worse Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.



** While everyone can agree the QuestionableConsent by Utena to Akio was creepy enough, it doubles of you're a westerner when you remember Utena is freaking 14, and both Miki and her sister are 13. While the laws on consent are pretty similar in all the world due to the UN, the social perception isn't.


* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially western ones might see Utena a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who not only don't see anything odd with it but in the west almost expect it and her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, basically decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom, this can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat UNTIL she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypical femenine behavior later in the series.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially western ones might see Utena a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who now not only don't see anything odd with it unlike back in the day but in the west almost expect it and her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, basically decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom, this can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat UNTIL she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypical femenine feminine behavior later in the series. series, to make matters worse Utena herself is a very reactive character rather than proactive usually dealing with the stuff thrown at her for about the first 30 episodes.


** While everyone can agree the AmbiguousConsent by Utena to Akio was creepy enough, it doubles of you're a westerner when you remember Utena is freaking 14, and for the movie both Miki and her sister are 13.

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** While everyone can agree the AmbiguousConsent QuestionableConsent by Utena to Akio was creepy enough, it doubles of you're a westerner when you remember Utena is freaking 14, and for the movie both Miki and her sister are 13.13. While the laws on consent are pretty similar in all the world due to the UN, the social perception isn't.

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** While everyone can agree the AmbiguousConsent by Utena to Akio was creepy enough, it doubles of you're a westerner when you remember Utena is freaking 14, and for the movie both Miki and her sister are 13.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Coupled with ValuesDissonance, but some modern viewers, especially western ones might see Utena a little flat, all her quirks and ticks have been copied to death, the fact that she's tomboyish might fly over people's heads who not only don't see anything odd with it but in the west almost expect it and her motivation to protect Anthy like a prince to his princess by confronting her abusers is not easily understood since in the west that would be the logical, basically decent thing to do unlike the "don't get involved" Japanese custom, this can come to a point where they think Utena to be flat UNTIL she starts showing more emotional vulnerability and stereotypical femenine behavior later in the series.

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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Chu-Chu tends to be mistaken for a mouse due to his small size, round ears, and the fact that "chu" is typically a Japanese sound effect for a mouse's squeaking. He's actually supposed to be a very small monkey.


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* HoYay: [[HoYay/RevolutionaryGirlUtena Has its own page for it]] -- which isn't surprising, given that ''Utena'' is an EveryoneIsBi series.


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** [[BeautyIsBad Handsome people]] who [[ShirtlessScene get their shirts open]] are always portrayed as villainous. Saionji and [[spoiler:Akio]] are textbook {{Domestic Abuse}}rs, with the latter being a sexual predator who targets teenagers. Touga is a horrendous {{Jerkass}} even to his sister. Ruka callously abandons Shiori after having sex with her and later assaults Juri.
** As a FeministFantasy, the series loves punishing [[HeManWomanHater sexists]], [[EffeminateMisogynisticGuy misogynists]], and [[DomesticAbuse abusers]] in varying degrees. [[TheBrute Saionji]] becomes the resident ButtMonkey in the series after Utena defeats him to free [[DesignatedVictim Anthy]] from his physical abuse. [[TheCasanova Touga's]] love for Utena ends up unrequited long after manipulating the athletic, outspoken ActionGirl into being passive and demure. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Miki]] has a case of MadonnaWhoreComplex about Anthy and Kozue (meaning he doesn't see them as full people in their own right), doesn't like Anthy as much when she's actually sticking up for herself instead of letting people slap her around, and has never won against Utena in the dueling game. [[DoggedNiceGuy Tsuwabuki]] gets called out for placing Nanami in a series of deadly situations [[RescueRomance so he can rescue her]]. [[WolfInSheepsClothing Ruka]] dies of an unspecified illness after abandoning Shiori, with whom he had sex, and [[AttemptedRape nearly raping]] [[BadassGay Juri]]. [[BigBad Akio]] [[spoiler:abuses his own sister using every possible imaginable way, [[QuestionsbleConsent has sex with teenagers]] like Touga and Utena, tells Utena to [[StayInTheKitchen give up fighting to live happily ever after with his prince]], and ends up utterly powerless after Anthy leaves him for good]].



** The different versions themselves have been claimed to be alternate interpretations of ''Utena'', with the manga as Chiho Saito's vision, the movie as Kunihiko Ikuhara's vision, and the TV series as a compromise between the two; there's also the manga adaptation of the movie, which is Saito's own spin on it, and the light novels, which were written by someone else entirely (specifically, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichiro_Okouchi Ichirou Ookouchi]]). Characterisation varies wildly between all these versions, to the point where the differences between portrayals of any given character can be quite jarring.
** On first viewing Touga comes across as a deeply manipulative, even petty figure with little to no redeeming qualities, whose behavior makes the audience feel sorry for ''Saionji'', the guy who literally slaps women around when he doesn't get his way. He's one of the only major student characters we never really see from "inside" his head, which can make him fall oddly flat. But taking in Word of God's claim that his fate in the movie [[spoiler: where he is sexually abused by his stepfather, not that he drowns]] was also supposed to carry into the TV series (and perhaps wasn't due to Touga's VA being absent for most of a whole arc, giving him less time for development) not only makes a lot of his behaviors make more sense - manipulative to the extreme, a hatred/distrust/outright refusal to believe in friendship, and over-sexuality (a common warning sign in children who have been sexually abused) makes a second watching deeply upsetting, particularly when he's around Akio. He seems to be under the impression he's in control, but we already know that Akio is playing him like a fiddle, and likely all the easier due to his prior abuse. And just try to listen to his line about a relationship between step-siblings being more "romantic" while remembering what his step-father did to him. Brrrr.
** And just to prove once again how flexible the fourth wall is in ''Utena'', the Akio that wants to keep Anthy in the academy's world in the movie [[spoiler:is Anthy's own AlternativeCharacterInterpretation (of sorts) of the real guy that died ages ago. Something similar seems to be the case with Touga; compare his scenes with Utena to his scenes with Shiori, for example]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Many'' of the duelling themes, plus a good chunk of the movie soundtrack.

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** The different versions themselves have been claimed to be alternate interpretations of ''Utena'', with the manga as Chiho Saito's vision, the movie TheMovie as Kunihiko Ikuhara's vision, and the TV series as a compromise between the two; there's also the manga adaptation of the movie, TheMovie, which is Saito's own spin on it, and the light novels, which were written by someone else entirely (specifically, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichiro_Okouchi Ichirou Ookouchi]]). Characterisation varies wildly between all these versions, to the point where the differences between portrayals of any given character can be quite jarring.
** On first viewing Touga comes across as a deeply manipulative, even petty figure with little to no redeeming qualities, whose behavior makes the audience feel sorry for ''Saionji'', the guy who literally slaps women around when he doesn't get his way. He's one of the only major student characters we never really see from "inside" his head, which can make him fall oddly flat. But taking in Word of God's claim that his fate in the movie TheMovie [[spoiler: where he is sexually abused by his stepfather, not that he drowns]] was also supposed to carry into the TV series (and perhaps wasn't due to Touga's VA being absent for most of a whole arc, giving him less time for development) not only makes a lot of his behaviors make more sense - manipulative to the extreme, a hatred/distrust/outright refusal to believe in friendship, and over-sexuality (a common warning sign in children who have been sexually abused) makes a second watching deeply upsetting, particularly when he's around Akio. He seems to be under the impression he's in control, but we already know that Akio is playing him like a fiddle, and likely all the easier due to his prior abuse. And just try to listen to his line about a relationship between step-siblings being more "romantic" while remembering what his step-father did to him. Brrrr.
** And just to prove once again how flexible the fourth wall is in ''Utena'', the Akio that wants to keep Anthy in the academy's world in the movie TheMovie [[spoiler:is Anthy's own AlternativeCharacterInterpretation (of sorts) of the real guy that died ages ago. Something similar seems to be the case with Touga; compare his scenes with Utena to his scenes with Shiori, for example]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Many'' of the duelling themes, plus a good chunk of the movie TheMovie soundtrack.



** [[WordOfGod Youji Enokido's comments on Touga]] (namely, that his backstory in the movie was intended to apply to his series self as well) have been fairly controversial, which isn't helped by the fact that the character was a major BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with. There is a certain amount of debate over whether to accept his words as canon fact or declare DeathOfTheAuthor.
*** Also in the movie, Utena beating Juri cleanly had some fans upset that it takes away her special status as the only person Utena was never able to beat on her own.

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** [[WordOfGod Youji Enokido's comments on Touga]] (namely, that his backstory in the movie TheMovie was intended to apply to his series self as well) have been fairly controversial, which isn't helped by the fact that the character was a major BaseBreakingCharacter to begin with. There is a certain amount of debate over whether to accept his words as canon fact or declare DeathOfTheAuthor.
*** Also in the movie, TheMovie, Utena beating Juri cleanly had some fans upset that it takes away her special status as the only person Utena was never able to beat on her own.



* CrackPairing: Miki/Juri has some vocal fan support. As far as crack pairings go, this is a fairly reasonable one; the characters interact on a regular basis, move in the same social/extracurricular circles, and get along the best out of all the Student Council members. What makes it ''crack'' is Juri's canonical lesbianism (at least in the series; she teases him in the movie and is straight in the manga).

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* CrackPairing: Miki/Juri has some vocal fan support. As far as crack pairings go, this is a fairly reasonable one; the characters interact on a regular basis, move in the same social/extracurricular circles, and get along the best out of all the Student Council members. What makes it ''crack'' is Juri's canonical lesbianism (at least in the series; she teases him in the movie TheMovie and is straight in the manga).



* EvilIsSexy: Akio.

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* EvilIsSexy: Akio.Akio Ohtori. He's quite the charmer ([[EvenTheGuysWantHim whose wiles know no gender limits]]), and is privy to many a ShirtlessScene.



* FetishRetardant: Akio, Touga, and Saionji are [[ShirtlessScene often seen shirtless]], especially in the Akio arc. However, it falls kind of flat for some fans since the audience is also forced to watch how abusive they are.



* HilariousInHindsight: The scene in the movie where Anthy convinces Utena to let her sketch her in the nude actually came out the same year as ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', which had the same infamous scene ("Draw me like one of your French girls").

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* HilariousInHindsight: The scene in the movie TheMovie where Anthy convinces Utena to let her sketch her in the nude actually came out the same year as ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', which had the same infamous scene ("Draw me like one of your French girls").



** Mikage cruelly used the Black Rose Duelists -- listening to their problems before manipulating their feelings to recruit them, and having a more direct hand in some of their breakdowns -- but his past was really heartbreaking.
** Nanami qualifies ''big time'' by episodes 31 and 32. She's such a terrible, obsessive, yet ultimately ''pitiful'' young girl.
** Shiori, whose crushing inferiority complex drives her to lash out at Juri because not only does she think no one could possibly genuinely like her, but she [[DontYouDarePityMe hates being treated with pity]], which she believes is the only reason Juri was friends with her in the first place. ''Then'' she's humiliated by Ruka, the first person to make her feel, for once, good about herself.
** ''Everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]].
** Even Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].

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** Nanami Kiryuu. Good lord, what a bad day she has had... [[spoiler:After discovering that her beloved brother, Touga, was not her blood sibling, she feels like the connection she had was fake, and now has nothing to hold on to. After that, she runs away from home, into the house of a pair of close, happy siblings, only to walk in on them having sex. And after that, she walks in on Touga making out with a member of her old gang, to hear her brother say that he never loved her to begin with and to have her ex-friend claim that she has no connection to her anymore. And then after that, she gets the Akio Car treatment, where Touga attempts to rape her, which she fights off in fright, and then loses her duel, sobbing that she feels like she's just a face in the crowd and has no way to reconnect with the brother she loves. It's very hard not to feel sorry for her after all that, even though she was a raging AlphaBitch {{Yandere}} most of the time. She does seem to become nicer afterward, too, warning Utena to not hang around with Akio or Anthy anymore as she thinks they're up to no good, but her warnings fall in deaf ears.]] Ouch.
** Mikage cruelly used the Black Rose Duelists -- listening Souji could qualify as well. [[spoiler:Just as he was beginning to their problems before manipulating their evolve out of his computer-like personality and developed feelings for a woman named Tokiko, Akio seduced her just so he could manipulate Mikage into burning down the memorial center. And, of course, killing the 100 boys trapped inside. Not only that, but Akio gets Mikage to recruit them, work for him years later as a puppetmaster, pulling the strings of the black rose duellists. Unfortunately, Mikage doesn't know that he's a puppet at all and having that Akio has tampered with his memories.]]
** Saionji. Yes, Saionji was
a more direct hand in some of their breakdowns -- total {{Jerkass}}, but not even he deserved Touga's horrible treatment and manipulation of him. And the flashbacks to his past was really heartbreaking.
childhood [[UsedToBeASweetKid show him as a genuinely sweet pre-teen]]...
** Nanami qualifies ''big time'' by episodes 31 and 32. She's such a terrible, obsessive, yet ultimately ''pitiful'' young girl.
** Shiori,
Shiori Takatsuki, whose crushing inferiority complex drives her to lash out at Juri because not only does she think no one could possibly genuinely like love her, but she [[DontYouDarePityMe hates being treated with pity]], which she believes is the only reason Juri was friends with her in the first place. ''Then'' she's humiliated by Ruka, the first person to make her feel, for once, good about herself.
** ''Everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]].
** Even Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].
herself.



* {{Narm}}: [[Narm/RevolutionaryGirlUtena Has its own page]].
* NarmCharm: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLQY9r1VPcM opening]] for the ''Utena'' Sega Saturn game. Some may want BrainBleach for it, though.
** The English dub can be wooden as hell at times, but it adds to the show's general surrealism and just ''works''.
** A lot of things on that aforementioned Narm page are loved particularly due to how weird they are, as it goes along with the more serious surrealism just as well. Especially [[spoiler:Utena turning into a car]] in the movie.

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** Ruka crosses it when he abandons Shiori after having sex with her.
* {{Narm}}: [[Narm/RevolutionaryGirlUtena Has its own page]].
* NarmCharm:
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The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLQY9r1VPcM opening]] for the ''Utena'' Sega Saturn game. Some may want BrainBleach for it, though.
** The English dub can be wooden as hell at times, is kinda dorky and often sounds like a high school drama club performance (Nanami especially), but somehow it adds seems to work in the show's favor, adding to the general surrealism and just ''works''.
strangeness of the show.
** A lot of things on that aforementioned the Narm page are loved particularly due to how weird they are, as it goes along with the more serious surrealism just as well. Especially [[spoiler:Utena turning into a car]] in the movie.TheMovie.



** Shiori in the movie has even fewer redeeming qualities than in the series, being even more manipulative, petty and spiteful--with much less reason. ([[spoiler: Her boyfriend died when saving Juri, but it's not as if Juri could control that.]]) It's very satisfying near the end when [[spoiler:Anthy causes Shiori-Car to crash and explode while she's in the middle of EvilGloating]].
** For Nanami detractors, she gets only a brief scene in the movie as a cow. Where she's still the ButtMonkey.

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** Shiori in the movie TheMovie has even fewer redeeming qualities than in the series, being even more manipulative, petty and spiteful--with much less reason. ([[spoiler: Her boyfriend died when saving Juri, but it's not as if Juri could control that.]]) It's very satisfying near the end when [[spoiler:Anthy causes Shiori-Car to crash and explode while she's in the middle of EvilGloating]].
** For Nanami detractors, she gets only a brief scene in the movie TheMovie as a cow. Where she's still the ButtMonkey.



** Akio's "makeover" for the movie was not well received, to say the least. There's some FridgeBrilliance in his more pathetic portrayal, but try telling that to the rabid Akio fans...

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** Akio's "makeover" for the movie TheMovie was not well received, to say the least. There's some FridgeBrilliance in his more pathetic portrayal, but try telling that to the rabid Akio fans...



** Though the issues surrounding her skin might lie more on the fact that a clearly darker skinned character--in the series--being lightened quite a few shades more to fit a type of palette insinuates the fact that dark skin couldn't fit the color scheme of the movie and for many, finding dark skinned women characters shown in a positive light in media is already difficult is as, making the flack pretty understandable.
** The movie itself gets this, too. While there are plenty of legitimate criticisms, a lot of reasons for ''Utena'' fans hating it can be summed up as "it's not a carbon copy of the series".

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** Though the issues surrounding her skin might lie more on the fact that a clearly darker skinned character--in the series--being lightened quite a few shades more to fit a type of palette insinuates the fact that dark skin couldn't fit the color scheme of the movie TheMovie and for many, finding dark skinned women characters shown in a positive light in media is already difficult is as, making the flack pretty understandable.
** The movie TheMovie itself gets this, too. While there are plenty of legitimate criticisms, a lot of reasons for ''Utena'' fans hating it can be summed up as "it's not a carbon copy of the series".



* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movie in general is gorgeous, but this trope is why everyone remembers the dancing scene (besides the yuri).

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movie TheMovie in general is gorgeous, but this trope is why everyone remembers the dancing scene (besides the yuri).



* TheWoobie:
** Oh, ''Anthy''.
** Oh, '''''Kanae'''''.
** Oh, Wakaba in episode 20.
** Oh, ''everyone''.

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* %%* TheWoobie:
** %%** Oh, ''Anthy''.
** %%** Oh, '''''Kanae'''''.
** %%** Oh, Wakaba in episode 20.
** %%** Oh, ''everyone''.


** Ruka, Ruka, Ruka. He's another particularly divisive character whose actions even today, years after the series has ended, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment are debated]].

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** Ruka, Ruka, Ruka. He's another particularly divisive character whose actions even today, years after the series has ended, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment are debated]].


* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Utena'' makes heavy use of tropes and visual elements from classic shoujo series such as ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', most of which were not familiar to American audiences before the popularity of this series.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Utena'' makes heavy use of tropes and visual elements from classic shoujo series such as ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', ''Manga/TheRoseOfVersailles'', most of which were not familiar to American audiences before the popularity of this series.


* RonTheDeathEater: Shiori Takatsuki gets this a lot. While even her fans would agree that she is a ''heavily'' flawed person, her haters often make her out to be a CompleteMonster, some even calling her worse than ''Akio''. The fanbase, especially Juri and Ruka fans, often ignore that Shiori isn't just a monster who torments Juri ForTheEvulz, and that Juri contributes just as much to their broken relationship as she does. In fact, Shiori actually tries to make amends when she returns, only for ''Juri'' to refuse to listen out of bitterness. She also gets called a monster for what she did as a Black Rose Duelist (ignoring that she was no different than Kozue and Wakaba) and some even say she ''deserved'' being humiliated by Ruka.
* TakeThatScrappy:
** Shiori in the movie has even fewer redeeming qualities than in the series, being even more manipulative, petty and spiteful--with much less reason. ([[spoiler: Her boyfriend died when saving Juri, but it's not as if Juri could control that.]]) It's very satisfying near the end when [[spoiler:Anthy causes Shiori-Car to crash and explode while she's in the middle of EvilGloating]].
** For Nanami detractors, she gets only a brief scene in the movie as a cow. Where she's still the ButtMonkey.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Shiori Takatsuki gets this a lot. While even her fans would agree that she is a ''heavily'' flawed person, her haters often make her out to be a CompleteMonster, monster, some even calling her worse than ''Akio''. The fanbase, especially Juri and Ruka fans, often ignore that Shiori isn't just a monster who torments Juri ForTheEvulz, and that Juri contributes just as much to their broken relationship as she does. In fact, Shiori actually tries to make amends when she returns, only for ''Juri'' to refuse to listen out of bitterness. She also gets called a monster for what she did as a Black Rose Duelist (ignoring that she was no different than Kozue and Wakaba) and some even say she ''deserved'' being humiliated by Ruka. \n* TakeThatScrappy:\n** Shiori in the movie has even fewer redeeming qualities than in the series, being even more manipulative, petty and spiteful--with much less reason. ([[spoiler: Her boyfriend died when saving Juri, but it's not as if Juri could control that.]]) It's very satisfying near the end when [[spoiler:Anthy causes Shiori-Car to crash and explode while she's in the middle of EvilGloating]]. \n** For Nanami detractors, she gets only a brief scene in the movie as a cow. Where she's still the ButtMonkey.



** Touga. The people who hate him really, ''really'' hate him.



** The [[BrokenBase hatred directed towards Ruka]] easily makes him this as well. Given some of his actions, though, it's not entirely unwarranted.
** Manga!Juri has absolutely no fans thanks to being shallow and immature compared to her beloved series counterpart, to say nothing of the AdaptationalSexuality issues that surround her.
* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Creator/RachaelLillis is known to most fans for voicing [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Misty and Jessie]]. Fun and memorable characters? [[FieryRedhead Oh]] [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain yes.]] Nuanced? [[FlatCharacter Not really.]] Likewise, Utena's {{Plucky|Girl}} ActionGirl character didn't offer much dramatic potential, and maintains a light and upbeat voice... until one of the {{Wham Episode}}s and ''especially'' the GrandFinale where she '''knocks it out of the park'''. [[TearJerker Sniffle...]]

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** The [[BrokenBase hatred directed towards Ruka]] easily makes him this as well. Given some of his actions, though, it's not entirely unwarranted.
** Manga!Juri has absolutely no fans thanks to being shallow and immature compared to her beloved series counterpart, to say nothing of the AdaptationalSexuality issues that surround her.
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* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: TakeThatScrappy:
** Shiori in the movie has even fewer redeeming qualities than in the series, being even more manipulative, petty and spiteful--with much less reason. ([[spoiler: Her boyfriend died when saving Juri, but it's not as if Juri could control that.]]) It's very satisfying near the end when [[spoiler:Anthy causes Shiori-Car to crash and explode while she's in the middle of EvilGloating]].
** For Nanami detractors, she gets only a brief scene in the movie as a cow. Where she's still the ButtMonkey.
* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct:
Creator/RachaelLillis is known to most fans for voicing [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Misty and Jessie]]. Fun and memorable characters? [[FieryRedhead Oh]] [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain yes.]] Nuanced? [[FlatCharacter Not really.]] Likewise, Utena's {{Plucky|Girl}} ActionGirl character didn't offer much dramatic potential, and maintains a light and upbeat voice... until one of the {{Wham Episode}}s and ''especially'' the GrandFinale where she '''knocks it out of the park'''. [[TearJerker Sniffle...]]

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