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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura]]: Was she a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or perhaps there was a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them or a premeditated plan in order to capture and "save" her best friend to keep her with her?
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura]]: [[spoiler:Homura: Was she a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or perhaps there was a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them or a premeditated plan in order to capture and "save" her best friend to keep her with her?her?]]
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* EpilepticTrees: [[spoiler:There's a theory (that is kinda supported by WordOfSaintPaul) that theorizes that Homura's "REALLY" questionable actions were caused by being driven nuts due to being turned into a witch as a result of the Incubators' experiments]].
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* EpilepticTrees: [[spoiler:There's EpilepticTrees:
**[[spoiler:There's a theory (that is kinda supported by WordOfSaintPaul) that theorizes that Homura's "REALLY" questionable actions were caused by being driven nuts due to being turned into a witch as a result of the Incubators' experiments]].
**[[spoiler:There's a theory (that is kinda supported by WordOfSaintPaul) that theorizes that Homura's "REALLY" questionable actions were caused by being driven nuts due to being turned into a witch as a result of the Incubators' experiments]].
** [[spoiler:There's also the theory that Homura ''wasn't'' freed from her Witch state at the end of ''Rebellion'' which contributed to, or was the ''cause'' of, her degrading sanity which led to her later actions. The fact that she cracked her Soul Gem in her mouth like a nutcracker (her witch form, Homulily, is the Nutcracker Witch), her witch familiars are present in her new universe, she trapped people in what she believes to her ideal world like what she did as a witch [[NotSoDifferent (and what Madoka's witch Kriemhild Gretchen wanted to do)]], and danced under a (literal) half moon in a field of flowers, something that is associated with witches. This all lead to the belief that Homura is a Witch/Goddess hybrid due to stealing Ultimate Madoka's powers and that her new world isn’t a newly-created universe like Madoka’s, but rather Homulilly’s barrier being extended to cover the universe. Supporting this theory is the fact that the BigBad of ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica'', Queen Isabeau, was a Witch/Incubator hybrid and Tart became an irregular being, a girl whose Soul Gem had fully corrupted, but was in between being a Magical Girl and a Witch.]]
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** Oriko was right.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Referring to how much ''Oriko Magica'' foreshadowed this movie.[[/labelnote]]
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** Oriko was right.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Referring to how much ''Oriko Magica'' accidentally foreshadowed this movie.[[/labelnote]]
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** For some people, [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] has become this, given the events of the movie shining light on how their relationship is really anything but healthy.
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** For some people, [[spoiler:Homura/Madoka]] has become this, given the events of the movie shining light on how casting their relationship is really anything but healthy.in a ''very'' dark light.
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** Doing a good thing for a bad reason ''is still a bad thing''. [[spoiler:Homura made it so technically all the magical girls would get their happy ending, but she didn't do it for their sakes; she did it to keep Madoka from escaping her disguised cage of a "perfect world". Not to mention that, she knows that eventually she and Madoka will have to fight over it and nothing she can do will ultimately stop Madoka from regaining her powers.]]
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** Doing a good thing for a bad reason ''is still a bad thing''. [[spoiler:Homura made it so technically all the magical girls would get their happy ending, but she didn't do it for their sakes; she did it's ''implied'' she's doing it to keep Madoka from escaping her disguised cage of a "perfect world". Not to mention that, she knows that eventually she and Madoka will have to fight over it and nothing she can do will ultimately stop Madoka from regaining her powers.]]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura]]: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? AFateWorseThanDeath? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was perhaps there was a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them?them or a premeditated plan in order to capture and "save" her best friend to keep her with her?
*** Something else to consider: Did Sayaka's words factor into [[spoiler:Homura usurping Madoka and recreating the world where everyone is alive]]? When Homura insisted on finding and killing the witch responsible for trapping everyone in the barrier, Sayaka said since everyone was alive, happy, and working together, that the heart who wished for a world like that couldn't really be all that bad and didn't deserve to be destroyed. Of course, [[spoiler:Sayaka knew that Homura herself was the witch and was trying to make her feel better]], but did [[spoiler:Homura use her words as a justification for usurping Madoka? Adding weight to this point is the fact that Akuma Homura points out that everyone is alive and happy in her new world before Sayaka calls her a devil]].
*** Something else to consider: Did Sayaka's words factor into [[spoiler:Homura usurping Madoka and recreating the world where everyone is alive]]? When Homura insisted on finding and killing the witch responsible for trapping everyone in the barrier, Sayaka said since everyone was alive, happy, and working together, that the heart who wished for a world like that couldn't really be all that bad and didn't deserve to be destroyed. Of course, [[spoiler:Sayaka knew that Homura herself was the witch and was trying to make her feel better]], but did [[spoiler:Homura use her words as a justification for usurping Madoka? Adding weight to this point is the fact that Akuma Homura points out that everyone is alive and happy in her new world before Sayaka calls her a devil]].
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** The movie [[spoiler:takes place in Homura's ideal world]]. [[spoiler:In said ideal world]], Kyoko is stated to be living with Sayaka, and the two are incredibly friendly with each other, complete with mass amounts of ShipTease. Do the math.
** There's also Mami and Bebe, to the point where Mami states that if it weren't for Bebe, she would have fallen into despair a long time ago, and wouldn't be as strong as she is today.
** The movie [[spoiler:takes place in Homura's ideal world]]. [[spoiler:In said ideal world]], Kyoko is stated to be living with Sayaka, and the two are incredibly friendly with each other, complete with mass amounts of ShipTease. Do the math.
** There's also Mami and Bebe, to the point where Mami states that if it weren't for Bebe, she would have fallen into despair a long time ago, and wouldn't be as strong as she is today.
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** [[EvilVsEvil Happens the other way too]]- a small amount of fans were ''so'' [[MoralEventHorizon disgusted]] by [[spoiler: Homura]]’s actions that [[spoiler: they actually want ''Kyubey'' to overthrow her, claiming that at least he [[WellIntentionedExtremist was trying to save the universe]]- Homura [[ItsAllAboutMe just wanted everything for herself]], [[DisproportionateRetribution went so far as to]] ''MindRape'' Kyubey, may be slowly [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt leading the universe to destruction]], and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it all.]]]]
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** [[EvilVsEvil [[EvilVersusEvil Happens the other way too]]- a small amount of fans were ''so'' [[MoralEventHorizon disgusted]] by [[spoiler: Homura]]’s actions that [[spoiler: they actually want ''Kyubey'' to overthrow her, claiming that at least he [[WellIntentionedExtremist was trying to save the universe]]- Homura [[ItsAllAboutMe just wanted everything for herself]], [[DisproportionateRetribution went so far as to]] ''MindRape'' Kyubey, may be slowly [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt leading the universe to destruction]], and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it all.]]]]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: [[spoiler:Homura]]: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them?
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** Tons of scenes from the series, particularly the ending, get a much darker coat of paint after the movie. The part where Homura is smiling and talking with Madoka's family, and then declaring her intent to protect the world because it's what Madoka would have wanted? Yeah, [[StepfordSmiler she's barely holding it together though all of that]]. It hardly took any time before she fell apart, judging by the scenes of [[spoiler: The Clara Dolls]] stalking the others. The part where she (kind of) reconciles with Kyubey and reaffirms that Kyubey has no way of bringing back the Witch system? [[spoiler: He finds a way, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thanks in no small part to her giving him vital intel.]]]] Madoka gladly coming to terms with vanishing from existence so she can help Magical Girls? It broke her heart to leave everyone behind, and depending on your interpretation she did it because she felt she had no other choice. And of course, pretty much anything heartwarming and cute about the relationship between Madoka and Homura in the series in general gets a little harder to watch once we get a good look at just how deep [[{{Determinator}} Homura's]] [[YouAreWorthHell dedication to Madoka]] actually runs. She's not ''just'' a cool, stoic {{Determinator}} who only wants to protect her friend, [[TheMentallyDisturbed she's also a dangerously unbalanced individual]] and ''[[SanitySlippage she needs professional help]].''
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** ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' almost seems to have retroactive {{Foreshadowing}} for this movie. For example, in one scene, [[spoiler:Homura insists on saving Madoka, even when Madoka begs her to save other people instead]]. Then there's [[spoiler:Kirika Kure]], who was a {{Yandere}} EvilCounterpart of Homura that was [[LoveFreak obsessed with love]]. [[spoiler:Kirika]] even [[spoiler:creates a witch barrier before becoming a witch proper]], much like Homura does in ''Rebellion''.
** Some people realised the truth of the [[spoiler:witch's barrier]] by then, but to those who have not, Homura's words to Sayaka about her condemnation of [[spoiler:the witch who created the barrier]], no matter what the reason of [[spoiler:the witch]] was. Especially once they see that Homura still condemns [[spoiler:the witch]] after finding out her identity.
** Some people realised the truth of the [[spoiler:witch's barrier]] by then, but to those who have not, Homura's words to Sayaka about her condemnation of [[spoiler:the witch who created the barrier]], no matter what the reason of [[spoiler:the witch]] was. Especially once they see that Homura still condemns [[spoiler:the witch]] after finding out her identity.
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them? Or is she simply behaving like [[OutOfCharacter a completely different character with no continuity to her previous actions]]?]]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them? Or is she simply behaving like [[OutOfCharacter a completely different character with no continuity to her previous actions]]?]]them?
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** Tons of scenes from the series, particularly the ending, get a much darker coat of paint after the movie. The part where Homura is smiling and talking with Madoka's family, and then declaring her intent to protect the world because it's what Madoka would have wanted? Yeah, [[StepfordSmiler she's barely holding it together though all of that]]. It hardly took any time before she fell apart, judging by the scenes of [[spoiler: The Clara Dolls]] stalking the others. The part where she (kind of) reconciles with Kyubey and reaffirms that Kyubey has no way of bringing back the Witch system? [[spoiler: He finds a way, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thanks in no small part to her giving him vital intel.]]]] Madoka gladly coming to terms with vanishing from existence so she can help Magical Girls? It broke her heart to leave everyone behind, and depending on your interpretation she did it because she felt she had no other choice. And of course, pretty much anything heartwarming and cute about the relationship between Madoka and Homura in the series in general gets a little harder to watch once we get a good look at just how deep [[{{Yandere}} Homura's]] [[LoveMakesYouCrazy obsession]] actually runs. She's not a cool, stoic {{Determinator}} who only wants to protect her friend, [[TheMentallyDisturbed she's a dangerously unbalanced individual]] and ''[[SanitySlippage she needs professional help]].''
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** Tons of scenes from the series, particularly the ending, get a much darker coat of paint after the movie. The part where Homura is smiling and talking with Madoka's family, and then declaring her intent to protect the world because it's what Madoka would have wanted? Yeah, [[StepfordSmiler she's barely holding it together though all of that]]. It hardly took any time before she fell apart, judging by the scenes of [[spoiler: The Clara Dolls]] stalking the others. The part where she (kind of) reconciles with Kyubey and reaffirms that Kyubey has no way of bringing back the Witch system? [[spoiler: He finds a way, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thanks in no small part to her giving him vital intel.]]]] Madoka gladly coming to terms with vanishing from existence so she can help Magical Girls? It broke her heart to leave everyone behind, and depending on your interpretation she did it because she felt she had no other choice. And of course, pretty much anything heartwarming and cute about the relationship between Madoka and Homura in the series in general gets a little harder to watch once we get a good look at just how deep [[{{Yandere}} [[{{Determinator}} Homura's]] [[LoveMakesYouCrazy obsession]] [[YouAreWorthHell dedication to Madoka]] actually runs. She's not ''just'' a cool, stoic {{Determinator}} who only wants to protect her friend, [[TheMentallyDisturbed she's also a dangerously unbalanced individual]] and ''[[SanitySlippage she needs professional help]].''
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Bebe/[[spoiler: Nagisa's]] obsession with cheese is funny and adorable. Not so much after reading her backstory in Magia Record where it's revealed that [[spoiler:she actually doesn't like cheese and her obsession with it is a representation of her seeking but never obtaining her mother's approval.]]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them?]]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuse}}r from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them?]]them? Or is she simply behaving like [[OutOfCharacter a completely different character with no continuity to her previous actions]]?]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Among some viewers, [[spoiler: this is the result of ''Rebellion'' undoing the anime's EsotericHappyEnding and replacing it with the opposite.]]
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** Creator/CristinaValenzuela, Homura' English voice actress, previously voiced [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha Nanoha Takamachi]], who is [[FanNickname often monikered as]] "The White Devil", after an OutOfTheInferno moment in Episode 9 of ''A's''. That nickname becomes strangely prophetic when, at the ending of ''Rebellion'', [[spoiler: Homura becomes a SatanicArchetype, literately becoming a demon]].
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** Creator/CristinaValenzuela, Homura' English voice actress, previously voiced [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha Nanoha Takamachi]], who is [[FanNickname often monikered as]] "The White Devil", after an OutOfTheInferno moment in Episode 9 of ''A's''.Devil". That nickname becomes strangely prophetic when, at the ending of ''Rebellion'', [[spoiler: Homura becomes a SatanicArchetype, literately becoming a demon]].
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--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be... a demon. (''activates Raising Heart'') Maybe I am a little demonic. But you're going to listen whether you like it or not!"\\
''Fast forward to this movie and you get this:''\\
[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.]]
--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be... a demon. (''activates Raising Heart'') Maybe I am a little demonic. But you're going to listen whether you like it or not!"\\
''Fast forward to this movie and you get this:''\\
[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.]]
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** The entire scene where Homura [[spoiler: turns into demon]] and is called by it. This does not make sense in the Japanese version but it does in the English version. The Creator/CristinaValenzuela, Homura' English voice actress Creator/CristinaVee once actress, previously voiced [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha Nanoha Takamachi]] Takamachi]], who was called is [[FanNickname often monikered as]] "The White Devil", after an OutOfTheInferno moment in Episode 9 of ''A's''. That nickname becomes strangely prophetic when, at the ending of ''Rebellion'', [[spoiler: Homura becomes a demon]] by Vita during their fight on top of the building in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'' after emerging from the flames.
--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be...SatanicArchetype, literately becoming a demon. (''activates Raising Heart'') Maybe I am a little demonic. But you're going to listen whether you like it or not!"\\
''Fast forward to this movie and you get this:''\\
[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.]]demon]].
--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be...
''Fast forward to this movie and you get this:''\\
[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.]]
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* BetterThanCanon: There have been quite a few fanfics that followed Urobuchi's [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Message_from_Gen_Urobuchi_.28Screenplay.29 originally planned ending of having Ultimate Madoka take Homura to Magical Girl Heaven with her]]. Needless to say, they're far more popular than the movie's canon ending.
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* IdiotPlot: The plot comes about due to Homura's telling Kyubey [[spoiler:about the old universe]] despite having more reason than anyone not to trust them, [[spoiler:Nagisa]] not explaining things when they had the chance, and Sayaka trying to explain in such a needlessly cryptic, roundabout manner [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she loss Homura's trust]].
* IdiotPlot: The plot comes about due to Homura's telling Kyubey [[spoiler:about the old universe]] despite having more reason than anyone not to trust them, [[spoiler:Nagisa]] not explaining things when they had the chance, and Sayaka trying to explain in such a needlessly cryptic, roundabout manner [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she loss Homura's trust]].
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** The entire scene where Homura [[spoiler: turns into demon]] and is called by it. This does not make sense in the Japanese version but it does in the English version. The English voice actress Creator/CristinaVee once voiced [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha Nanoha Takamachi]] who was called [[spoiler: a demon]] by Vita during their fight on top of the building in Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'' after emerging from the flames. To quote ''"So flames.
--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be... a demon.(activates (''activates Raising Heart) Heart'') Maybe I am a little demonic. But you're going to listen whether you like it or not!"'', fast not!"\\
''Fast forward to this movie and you getthis [[spoiler: ''"You're this:''\\
[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now."'']]
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--->'''Nanoha:''' So I'll be... a demon.
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[[spoiler:'''Homura:''' You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.
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* EarWorm: The Clara Dolls' theme, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdXTqxTWxcM Noi!]]", is really catchy.
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** The entire scene where Homura [[spoiler: turns into demon]] and is called by it. This does not make sense in the Japanese version but it does in the English version. The English voice actress Creator/CristinaVee once voiced [[Franchise/LyricalNanoha Nanoha Takamachi]] who was called [[spoiler: a demon]] by Vita during their fight on top of the building in Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs after emerging from the flames. To quote ''"So I'll be... a demon. (activates Raising Heart) Maybe I am a little demonic. But you're going to listen whether you like it or not!"'', fast forward to this movie and you get this [[spoiler: ''"You're right. I'm not a magical girl or a witch. Madoka is as sacred as a god and I pulled her from heaven. So if you want to know what I've become, I suppose, if anything, you could call me a demon now.""'']]
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*** Specifically, for [[spoiler:Homura: Was she initially a WellIntentionedExtremist who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what she had to do]] to save Madoka from AFateWorseThanDeath, whose apparent cruelty arose from trauma or (in the case of the conversation over Sayaka's corpse in Episode 9) an attempt to [[ScareEmStraight scare Madoka out of the idea of being a magical girl]]? Did Homura initially respect Madoka's decision to become the Law of Cycles, believing it made her happy, with her usurpation and kidnapping of Madoka motivated by the MindRape she suffered at the hands of Kyubey as well as the misunderstood conversation in the field, which caused her to honestly believe that Madoka regretted her decision? Or was Homura a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] {{domestic abuser}} from the beginning (of the final witches' timeline at least), who dehumanized and sought to control Madoka and believed that, by dint of her quest, she was [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled to do so]] ([[http://villaininglasses.tumblr.com/post/99305261455/matsurisunrise-lustfuldemoness as argued here]])? Was the conversation in the field manipulated by Homura's selective omissions to elicit the responses she desired to justify her abduction of Madoka? Or was there a pragmatic, unselfish motive for the usurpation and abduction of Madoka: to wit, the sincere belief that Kyubey would ultimately succeed in trapping Madoka, restoring the original witches system and subjecting Madoka to a far less pleasant captivity than Homura's GildedCage? Were her actions just rashly planned/a MomentOfWeakness that she realized/snapped out of only after she thought it too late to undo them?]]
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** Whether you love or hate the direction the movie took, it's hard to deny that {{Music/Kalafina}}'s [[http://madomagimusic.tumblr.com/post/69743534876 "Kimi no Gin no Niwa"]] ("Your Silver Garden") is utterly '''glorious'''. It can also be seen as a VillainSong for [[spoiler:Akuma Homura]], of the [[spoiler:IHaveYouNowMyPretty variety]]. The lyrics here can be found [[http://canta-per-me.net/lyrics/kimi-no-gin-no-niwa/ here.]]
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** Whether you love or hate the direction the movie took, it's hard to deny that {{Music/Kalafina}}'s [[http://madomagimusic.tumblr.com/post/69743534876 [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSjf0ah-O4 "Kimi no Gin no Niwa"]] ("Your Silver Garden") is utterly '''glorious'''. It can also be seen as a VillainSong for [[spoiler:Akuma Homura]], of the [[spoiler:IHaveYouNowMyPretty variety]]. The lyrics here can be found [[http://canta-per-me.net/lyrics/kimi-no-gin-no-niwa/ here.]]
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: Even more so than the series; the movie starts off as if it ''were'' a show for little girls, in order to deliberately mislead the viewer, and [[spoiler:ends with Homura becoming the devil]]. Furthermore, it premiered during the same weekend as the (non-serial) movie of ''Anime/DokiDokiPrecure''. Can you tell which one is ''actually'' for little girls? [[spoiler:[[CaptainObvious Dokidoki is.]]]]
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* AssPull: The "howdunnit" of the ending--[[spoiler:corruption of a soul gem through love]]--comes off as one to some, and is a common complaint regarding the movie. This is due to the fact that said "howdunnit" comes with little to no foreshadowing and seemingly contradicts previously-established canon rules.
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* AssPull: The "howdunnit" of the ending--[[spoiler:corruption of a soul gem through love]]--comes off as one to some, and is a common complaint regarding the movie. This is due to the fact that said "howdunnit" comes with little to no foreshadowing and seemingly contradicts previously-established canon rules. The manga ''Wraith Arc'' tries to explain this as a [[spoiler: corollary of Homura's wish granting her equal power to Madoka through the wording of it, allowing her to break the magical girl system.]]
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** Many fans support Homura's actions in the ending, [[spoiler:namely, usurping Madoka, [[GodOfEvil becoming a devil]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch and enslaving the entire Incubator species]]]], particularly among those who argued that [[EsotericHappyEnding the original series' ending wasn't all that happy upon closer inspection]], despite the fact that Homura herself calls those acts evil. Perhaps some good came of her decision, but it's a stretch to call it a good decision.
** The flipside is also true since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is a horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] (and more often than not, '''both''') in all the [[spoiler:time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler:the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in '''''extremely''''' special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.
** Many fans support Homura's actions in the ending, [[spoiler:namely, usurping Madoka, [[GodOfEvil becoming a devil]], [[KickTheSonOfABitch and enslaving the entire Incubator species]]]], particularly among those who argued that [[EsotericHappyEnding the original series' ending wasn't all that happy upon closer inspection]], despite the fact that Homura herself calls those acts evil. Perhaps some good came of her decision, but it's a stretch to call it a good decision.
** The flipside is also true since the loudest Homura haters insist that she is a horrifyingly cruel monster devoid of any humanity and refer to anyone who disagrees as "apologists". These Homura bashers eagerly brush aside how she was very lonely before meeting Madoka, then [[BrokenBird either broke herself or was broken beyond belief]] (and more often than not, '''both''') in all the [[spoiler:time loops]] and continuities, eventually [[DespairEventHorizon reached a total breaking point]], and ''then'' had [[spoiler:the above described LoveMakesYouEvil-fueled FaceHeelTurn.]] Even when the show beats the viewers upside the head with the idea that love ''cannot'' completely selfless unless in '''''extremely''''' special circumstances (like Madoka's), the fans still uphold the "love must be completely selfless and a person in love must not be allowed to wish for anything for him/herself" idea and then bash Homura for, alongside Sayaka, showing how unrealistic and harmful it is.
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* RonTheDeathEater: The biggest [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the ending did this to [[spoiler: Homura]], turning them from [[spoiler: a complex, flawed, but loveable character who truly loves Madoka]] into, [[ShockingSwerve with questionable buildup]], [[spoiler: a {{Yandere}} PsychoLesbian CardCarryingVillain who [[ShootTheShaggyDog destroys everything the other characters have worked for]]]].
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* ShockingSwerve: [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/puella-magi-madoka-magica-the-movie-part-3/rebellion This]] ''Anime News Network'' review docked the movie's rating, stating that [[spoiler: Homura's FaceHeelTurn]] was gracelessly executed, [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], a dirty trick worthy of Kyubey, and ludicrously out-of-character. To quote reviewer Hope Chapman: [[spoiler: "the film prioritizes a "gotcha" reveal glorifying the twist and resulting spectacle over any character verisimilitude. One minute Homura is pleading with Madoka to abandon her, determined to sacrifice herself to protect the ones she loves, and the next, she has [[RonTheDeathEater stepped out of the 'evil box']] and molded a world where she is happy to be in a position of power above Madoka, who is finally hers and hers alone."]]
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** As noted in [[YMMV/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica the anime page]], the movie trilogy was immediately compared to the ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' films--an extension of the anime already having comparisons to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. However, the trilogy has a greater similarity to [[OlderThanTheyThink the first two]] ''Evangelion'' films--''Death and Rebirth'', a theatrical recap of the anime, and ''The End of Evangelion'', a continuation and conclusion of the anime. With the release of the film, the comparisons to ''The End of Evangelion'' have become even more blatant, as the film is eerily similar to it in terms of themes, NightmareFuel, and the ending. The main conceptual difference is that while ''[=EoE=]'' had a relatively positive conclusion, this movie has a closure which could not be more ambiguous and menacing.
*** Since ''Rebellion'' is the third ''[=MadoMagi=]'' movie, many have also compared it to ''[[Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo]]'' in terms of having all new storylines.
** There are also comparisons made to VideoGame/MegaManZero, between the ending of ''Rebellion'' and the story and character arcs of VideoGame/MegaManZero, that have eerily similar themes and events.
** The parallels between [[spoiler: Homura]] and [[spoiler: Rika]] from ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' are now even more apparent, especially since [[spoiler:Homura has basically become her own Bernkastel]]. Not to mention [[spoiler:[[DemotedToDragon what she did to Kyubey]] is eerily similar to Bernkastel’s dethroning of Lambdadelta, another [[CuteIsEvil cute]], wish-granting villain who’s actions provoked the protagonist to create a GroundhogDayLoop]]. Both [[spoiler:Homucifer]] and [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] have shadowy, CreepyCute familiars and are shown ominously drinking tea. Time will tell if [[spoiler:Homucifer]] turns out to be the [[TheSociopath monster]] that [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] was, though [[BrokenBase some say she already is]].
** For believers in the [[spoiler:ZeroApprovalGambit]] theory, there are some more comparisons for [[spoiler:Homura]]. The first correlated to ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is how she has become like [[spoiler:Beatrice/Sayo Yasuda]], a person with major self-loathing issues who [[spoiler:enacts a similar gambit for the sake of love]]. Add in a little bit from Eva Ushiromiya in there as well since she like her [[spoiler:has to become the enemy of someone they care for dearly in order to protect them]]. The other is to Franchise/{{Naruto}}’s [[spoiler: Itachi Uchiha]].
** There are also comparisons of [[spoiler:Homura]] to Lelouch, even comparing the ending to the start of "Zero Requiem".
** The plot shares a striking similarity with the [[Anime/Pokemon3 third Pokemon movie]]. Let’s see- [[spoiler:a lonely girl who has lost everyone she loved is given the chance to get it all back by a HiveMind of {{Adorable Abomination}}s who proceed to create a [[LotusEaterMachine false world]] and forcibly trap her loved ones inside, then send a furry, quadrupedal animal to watch over her. The girl [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil slowly becomes corrupted]] by this world. Eventually, though, she rebels against the world and helps to destroy it.]]
** Gen seems to have heavily borrowed from two of [[Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} Nasu’s works]]- ''[[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Kagetsu Tohya]]'' and ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia''. [[spoiler:They share the same basic plot- main character wakes up in a world where everyone’s alive and well, has lighthearted shenanigans with them, only to discover that it’s AllJustADream. They must find the cause and escape back to reality.]] ''Hollow Ataraxia'' in particular, since Homura and Kyubey’s roles parallel [[spoiler:Bazett]] and [[spoiler:Avenger]] respectively, right down to [[spoiler:Homura/Bazett betraying Madoka/Shirou and Kyubey/Avenger because she wants to stay in her [[LotusEaterMachine "perfect little world"]]]].
*** In addition, [[spoiler:[[SuperpoweredEvilSide Demon Homura]]]] resembles [[spoiler:Dark Sakura]] from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', with the whole EvilIsSexy aspect and both having creepy, shadowy minions/familiars.
** The plot can be compared to ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'', in that [[spoiler:the protagonist finds themselves in a seemingly perfect world that eventually turns out to be [[LotusEaterMachine an illusion]] that [[TomatoInTheMirror they themselves are partially responsible for]]]]. In that vein, the relationship between Homura and [[spoiler:her witch/demon self]] mirrors that of Hajime and [[spoiler:Izuru]].
** As noted in [[YMMV/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica the anime page]], the movie trilogy was immediately compared to the ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' films--an extension of the anime already having comparisons to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. However, the trilogy has a greater similarity to [[OlderThanTheyThink the first two]] ''Evangelion'' films--''Death and Rebirth'', a theatrical recap of the anime, and ''The End of Evangelion'', a continuation and conclusion of the anime. With the release of the film, the comparisons to ''The End of Evangelion'' have become even more blatant, as the film is eerily similar to it in terms of themes, NightmareFuel, and the ending. The main conceptual difference is that while ''[=EoE=]'' had a relatively positive conclusion, this movie has a closure which could not be more ambiguous and menacing.
*** Since ''Rebellion'' is the third ''[=MadoMagi=]'' movie, many have also compared it to ''[[Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo]]'' in terms of having all new storylines.
** There are also comparisons made to VideoGame/MegaManZero, between the ending of ''Rebellion'' and the story and character arcs of VideoGame/MegaManZero, that have eerily similar themes and events.
** The parallels between [[spoiler: Homura]] and [[spoiler: Rika]] from ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' are now even more apparent, especially since [[spoiler:Homura has basically become her own Bernkastel]]. Not to mention [[spoiler:[[DemotedToDragon what she did to Kyubey]] is eerily similar to Bernkastel’s dethroning of Lambdadelta, another [[CuteIsEvil cute]], wish-granting villain who’s actions provoked the protagonist to create a GroundhogDayLoop]]. Both [[spoiler:Homucifer]] and [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] have shadowy, CreepyCute familiars and are shown ominously drinking tea. Time will tell if [[spoiler:Homucifer]] turns out to be the [[TheSociopath monster]] that [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] was, though [[BrokenBase some say she already is]].
** For believers in the [[spoiler:ZeroApprovalGambit]] theory, there are some more comparisons for [[spoiler:Homura]]. The first correlated to ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is how she has become like [[spoiler:Beatrice/Sayo Yasuda]], a person with major self-loathing issues who [[spoiler:enacts a similar gambit for the sake of love]]. Add in a little bit from Eva Ushiromiya in there as well since she like her [[spoiler:has to become the enemy of someone they care for dearly in order to protect them]]. The other is to Franchise/{{Naruto}}’s [[spoiler: Itachi Uchiha]].
** There are also comparisons of [[spoiler:Homura]] to Lelouch, even comparing the ending to the start of "Zero Requiem".
** The plot shares a striking similarity with the [[Anime/Pokemon3 third Pokemon movie]]. Let’s see- [[spoiler:a lonely girl who has lost everyone she loved is given the chance to get it all back by a HiveMind of {{Adorable Abomination}}s who proceed to create a [[LotusEaterMachine false world]] and forcibly trap her loved ones inside, then send a furry, quadrupedal animal to watch over her. The girl [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil slowly becomes corrupted]] by this world. Eventually, though, she rebels against the world and helps to destroy it.]]
** Gen seems to have heavily borrowed from two of [[Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} Nasu’s works]]- ''[[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Kagetsu Tohya]]'' and ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia''. [[spoiler:They share the same basic plot- main character wakes up in a world where everyone’s alive and well, has lighthearted shenanigans with them, only to discover that it’s AllJustADream. They must find the cause and escape back to reality.]] ''Hollow Ataraxia'' in particular, since Homura and Kyubey’s roles parallel [[spoiler:Bazett]] and [[spoiler:Avenger]] respectively, right down to [[spoiler:Homura/Bazett betraying Madoka/Shirou and Kyubey/Avenger because she wants to stay in her [[LotusEaterMachine "perfect little world"]]]].
*** In addition, [[spoiler:[[SuperpoweredEvilSide Demon Homura]]]] resembles [[spoiler:Dark Sakura]] from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', with the whole EvilIsSexy aspect and both having creepy, shadowy minions/familiars.
** The plot can be compared to ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'', in that [[spoiler:the protagonist finds themselves in a seemingly perfect world that eventually turns out to be [[LotusEaterMachine an illusion]] that [[TomatoInTheMirror they themselves are partially responsible for]]]]. In that vein, the relationship between Homura and [[spoiler:her witch/demon self]] mirrors that of Hajime and [[spoiler:Izuru]].
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** A ''huge'' one considering the film's ending. Some fans prefer [[spoiler:the new world Homura created to the one Madoka created in the anime]], and consider Homura's actions sensible and justified. Other fans denounce the film as completely [[spoiler:retconning the events of the TV series]], and Homura for [[spoiler:acting selfishly and betraying Madoka]]. There's even more controversy with the ending [[spoiler:changing Homura and Madoka's relationship]], which some fans consider to be [[spoiler:sinking the most popular ship.]]
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** A ''huge'' one considering the film's ending. Some fans prefer [[spoiler:the new world Homura created to the one Madoka created in the anime]], and consider Homura's actions sensible and justified. Other fans denounce the film as completely [[spoiler:retconning the events of the TV series]], and Homura for [[spoiler:acting selfishly and betraying Madoka]]. Madoka]], dismissing it as character assassination of one of anime's most popular {{Deuteragonist}}s. There's even more controversy with the ending [[spoiler:changing Homura and Madoka's relationship]], which some fans consider to be [[spoiler:sinking the most popular ship.]]ship]].
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** The plot can be compared to ''VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair'', in that [[spoiler:the protagonist finds themselves in a seemingly perfect world that eventually turns out to be [[LotusEaterMachine an illusion]] that [[TomatoInTheMirror they themselves are partially responsible for]]]]. In that vein, the relationship between Homura and [[spoiler:her witch/demon self]] mirrors that of Hajime and [[spoiler:Izuru]].
