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*** Flygon may not have any special tricks compared to a lot of Pokémon on this list, but it can and will use Earthquake to its heart's content. Not only does that mean that Eternatus and its Poison typing are weak to the move, but many potential AI teammates do poorly against this move as well. Pikachu, Salazzle, Torkoal, Heatmor, Quilfish, and Jolteon are weak to it, and Togepi, Magikarp, Clefairy, Mudbray, and Eevee are unevolved Pokémon with weak stats. That's over half of the lineup for potential allies who are extremely unlikely to survive more than one attack from Flygon. Only Solrock (if Flygon doesn't nullify its Levitate ability) and Hawlucha (who likes to waste turns with Feather Dance) are immune to the move; even bulky Pokémon like Throh and Snorlax won't enjoy a potential two Earthquakes in a row. To top it off, Flygon may have a 4x weakness to Ice, but using Max Hailstorm summons Hail and may end up accidentally knocking out your AI allies anyhow!
*** Tyranitar is similar to Flygon in having no real tricks to it, but just being incredibly tough on its own. It hits like a truck, is so bulky that even the Fighting-type moves it has a double weakness to will only chip away at it, and tends to come packing both Earthquake and Rock Slide to hit your entire team at once, the latter of which also has a chance to flinch the target that will almost always activate on at least one of your team's Pokémon if it hits all four of them.
*** Tyranitar is similar to Flygon in having no real tricks to it, but just being incredibly tough on its own. It hits like a truck, is so bulky that even the Fighting-type moves it has a double weakness to will only chip away at it, and tends to come packing both Earthquake and Rock Slide to hit your entire team at once, the latter of which also has a chance to flinch the target that will almost always activate on at least one of your team's Pokémon if it hits all four of them.
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*** Flygon may not have any special tricks compared to a lot of Pokémon on this list, but it can and will use Earthquake to its heart's content. Not only does that mean that Eternatus and its Poison typing are weak to the move, but many potential AI teammates do poorly against this move as well. Pikachu, Salazzle, Torkoal, Heatmor, Quilfish, Qwilfish, and Jolteon are weak to it, and Togepi, Magikarp, Clefairy, Mudbray, and Eevee are unevolved Pokémon with weak stats. That's over half of the lineup for potential allies who are extremely unlikely to survive more than one attack from Flygon. Only Solrock (if Flygon doesn't nullify its Levitate ability) and Hawlucha (who likes to waste turns with Feather Dance) are immune to the move; even bulky Pokémon like Throh and Snorlax won't enjoy a potential two Earthquakes in a row. To top it off, Flygon may have a 4x weakness to Ice, but using Max Hailstorm summons Hail and may end up accidentally knocking out your AI allies anyhow!
*** Tyranitar is similar to Flygon in having no real tricks to it, but just being incredibly tough on its own. It hits like a truck, is so bulky that even the Fighting-type moves it has a double weakness to will only chip away at it, and tends to come packing both Earthquake and Rock Slide to hit your entire team at once, the latter of which also has a chance to flinch the target that will almost always activate on at least one of your team's Pokémon if it hits all four of them. Tyranitar also puts up two shields that have '''6''' bars apiece, giving it plenty of time to rain down destruction on your team.
*** Tyranitar is similar to Flygon in having no real tricks to it, but just being incredibly tough on its own. It hits like a truck, is so bulky that even the Fighting-type moves it has a double weakness to will only chip away at it, and tends to come packing both Earthquake and Rock Slide to hit your entire team at once, the latter of which also has a chance to flinch the target that will almost always activate on at least one of your team's Pokémon if it hits all four of them. Tyranitar also puts up two shields that have '''6''' bars apiece, giving it plenty of time to rain down destruction on your team.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (which is made worse by the fact that the AI teammates cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the best way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun (its namesake) against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
*** Groudon is just as bad as all of these. All but two of his attacks target your entire party, and this can lead to your party being wiped very, very quickly, even with type advantage. He also uses Precipice Blades directly after entering his second phase.
*** Groudon is just as bad as all of these. All but two of his attacks target your entire party, and this can lead to your party being wiped very, very quickly, even with type advantage. He also uses Precipice Blades directly after entering his second phase.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing possessing Full Metal Body (which is made worse by the fact that the AI teammates cannot accomodate accommodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the best way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun (its namesake) against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
*** Groudon is just as bad as all of these. All but two ofhis its attacks target your entire party, and this can lead to your party being wiped very, very quickly, even with type advantage. He It also uses Precipice Blades directly at the end of every turn (in addition to its "regular" attack) after entering his its second phase.phase.
*** And for that matter, Kyogre poses similar problems. It has Surf in its moveset, which hits the entire team and is backed by Same Type Attack Bonus, 150 base Special Attack, and rain, as well as Thunder to destroy most Water-types that resist Surf. And once Kyogre enters its "desperation" phase, it starts using Origin Pulse (an even stronger Water-type attack) at the end of every turn on top of its "regular" attack. Just like the aforementioned Zygarde and Groudon, having a Wide Guard user helps, but it's certainly not a guarantee.
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*** And for that matter, Kyogre poses similar problems. It has Surf in its moveset, which hits the entire team and is backed by Same Type Attack Bonus, 150 base Special Attack, and rain, as well as Thunder to destroy most Water-types that resist Surf. And once Kyogre enters its "desperation" phase, it starts using Origin Pulse (an even stronger Water-type attack) at the end of every turn on top of its "regular" attack. Just like the aforementioned Zygarde and Groudon, having a Wide Guard user helps, but it's certainly not a guarantee.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Due to his slim body type, heavy coat, and androgynous hairstyle, many players thought Bede was a female.
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*** Battles are displayed how they were in the Generation VII games, which has drawn ire for holding over both the jarring idle poses from ''X and Y'''s Sky Battles and the inconsistent scaling of Pokemon needed to maintain the original camera perspective, now displayed on a home console with HD visuals. The lattermost is considered an especially unnecessary holdover due to how Pokémon are more correctly scaled in the overworld, and has been compared unfavorably to both the Genius Sonority games from more than a decade prior (in particular ''Battle Revolution'') and how the ''Let's Go!'' games were able to scale them more appropriately despite releasing one year prior on the same console.
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*** Battles are displayed how they were in the Generation VII games, which has drawn ire for holding over both the jarring idle poses from ''X and Y'''s Sky Battles and the inconsistent scaling of Pokemon Pokémon needed to maintain the original camera perspective, now displayed on a home console with HD visuals. The lattermost is considered an especially unnecessary holdover due to how Pokémon are more correctly scaled in the overworld, and has been compared unfavorably to both the Genius Sonority games from more than a decade prior (in particular ''Battle Revolution'') and how the ''Let's Go!'' games were able to scale them more appropriately despite releasing one year prior on the same console.
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** Continues the series trend from ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon''. While scaled experience is kept from the Alola games, meaning AntiGrinding is still in effect, the main problem from ''X and Y'' returns - trainers carrying fewer Pokémon and with less troublesome movesets. The existence of the Wild Area, which in conjunction with the Move Relearner now being free-of-cost and available in all Pokémon Centers, also means that you can very well find yourself with a DiscOneNuke well before the time they were available in previous games. Also, trainers now give out greater amounts of money, making it easy to stockpile large quantities of items. Further, instead of the Elite 4 of the past which was a gauntlet without any free recovery or backtracking, you deal with a tournament that FULLY RECOVERS your Pokemon after each battle, meaning you can mess up many times and also backtrack while saving your spot in the league.
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** Continues the series trend from ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon''. While scaled experience is kept from the Alola games, meaning AntiGrinding is still in effect, the main problem from ''X and Y'' returns - trainers carrying fewer Pokémon and with less troublesome movesets. The existence of the Wild Area, which in conjunction with the Move Relearner now being free-of-cost and available in all Pokémon Centers, also means that you can very well find yourself with a DiscOneNuke well before the time they were available in previous games. Also, trainers now give out greater amounts of money, making it easy to stockpile large quantities of items. Further, instead of the Elite 4 of the past which was a gauntlet without any free recovery or backtracking, you deal with a tournament that FULLY RECOVERS ''fully recovers'' your Pokemon Pokémon after each battle, meaning you can mess up many times and also backtrack while saving your spot in the league.
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** Many fans correctly guessed that the Gen 8 games would take place in a Britain-esque region.
** Many fans also correctly guessed that the Fire-type starter would be a rabbit, thanks to the theory that all Fire-type starters are based on [[EasternZodiac the Chinese Zodiac.]]
** Many guessed that, judging by the logos, the legendaries would be wolves.
** After a new Pokémon was teased by a glitched entry apparently caused by a Rotom invading the site, many guessed from the bugged image via rotating it 90 degrees to the right that the new Pokémon would be a Galarian form or even an evolution for Farfetch'd due to the leek-colored weapon visible, as well as its name: Sirfetch'd. [[note]]It should be noted, however, that the name Sirfetch'd appeared in a widely believed leak.[[/note]]
** Pretty much the minute he was revealed, fans guessed that [[spoiler:Chairman Rose was going to be the main villain in the same vein as [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Lysandre]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lusamine]] before him]]. Fans also guess that [[spoiler:Peony is also Chairman Rose's brother in the same vein as Lillie]]. They were right.
** Fans guessed that the spiky-headed statues near Hulbury's lighthouse are based on a new Pokémon, which had yet to be revealed. The Pokémon in question turned out to be Toxtricity.
** Datamining revealed that although several moves were removed from the game for this generation, moves exclusive to previous ''Legendaries'' were suspiciously still present despite the Legendaries that would know them being absent. Come the Expansion Pass announcement, where The Crown Tundra would herald the return of all Legendaries similar to the Ultra Space Wilds in the last generation.
** With Darkest Lariat; Incineroar's former SignatureMove being learnable via TR, some players guessed that Incineroar would return later. With Pokémon Home, Incineroar and several other starter trios can be legally brought to this Generation.
** During previews, a recurring fictional brand has a logo of what appears to be a large dog with a lightning bolt streaming off of it. Many players guessed that this was based off an evolution of the Electric-type corgi Yamper. This was later confirmed with its evolution Boltund.
** Many fans correctly guessed that the Gen 8 games would take place in a Britain-esque region.
** Many fans also correctly guessed that the Fire-type starter would be a rabbit, thanks to the theory that all Fire-type starters are based on [[EasternZodiac the Chinese Zodiac.]]
** Many guessed that, judging by the logos, the legendaries would be wolves.
** After a new Pokémon was teased by a glitched entry apparently caused by a Rotom invading the site, many guessed from the bugged image via rotating it 90 degrees to the right that the new Pokémon would be a Galarian form or even an evolution for Farfetch'd due to the leek-colored weapon visible, as well as its name: Sirfetch'd. [[note]]It should be noted, however, that the name Sirfetch'd appeared in a widely believed leak.[[/note]]
** Pretty much the minute he was revealed, fans guessed that [[spoiler:Chairman Rose was going to be the main villain in the same vein as [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Lysandre]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lusamine]] before him]]. Fans also guess that [[spoiler:Peony is also Chairman Rose's brother in the same vein as Lillie]]. They were right.
** Fans guessed that the spiky-headed statues near Hulbury's lighthouse are based on a new Pokémon, which had yet to be revealed. The Pokémon in question turned out to be Toxtricity.
** Datamining revealed that although several moves were removed from the game for this generation, moves exclusive to previous ''Legendaries'' were suspiciously still present despite the Legendaries that would know them being absent. Come the Expansion Pass announcement, where The Crown Tundra would herald the return of all Legendaries similar to the Ultra Space Wilds in the last generation.
** With Darkest Lariat; Incineroar's former SignatureMove being learnable via TR, some players guessed that Incineroar would return later. With Pokémon Home, Incineroar and several other starter trios can be legally brought to this Generation.
** During previews, a recurring fictional brand has a logo of what appears to be a large dog with a lightning bolt streaming off of it. Many players guessed that this was based off an evolution of the Electric-type corgi Yamper. This was later confirmed with its evolution Boltund.
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** Similar to Franchise/{{Shrek}}, Leon's Charizard is occasionally presented as this within the Galarian joke religion to "explain" the Dex cuts, as a "benevolent" deity that scorches any Pokémon who try to enter its holy land of Galar that it deems unworthy, including [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus]]. Which becomes HilariousInHindsight given that ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' not only has the titular OlympusMon as an important character, but ''doesn't even mention Charizard anywhere''.
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** Similar to Franchise/{{Shrek}}, Leon's Charizard is occasionally presented as this within the Galarian joke religion to "explain" the Dex cuts, as a "benevolent" deity that scorches any Pokémon who try to enter its holy land of Galar that it deems unworthy, including [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus]]. Which becomes HilariousInHindsight given that ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' not only has the titular OlympusMon {{Olympus Mon|s}} as an important character, but ''doesn't even mention Charizard anywhere''.
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** Similar to Franchise/{{Shrek}}, Leon's Charizard is occasionally presented as this within the Galarian joke religion to "explain" the Dex cuts, as a "benevolent" deity that scorches any Pokémon who try to enter its holy land of Galar that it deems unworthy, including [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus]].
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** Similar to Franchise/{{Shrek}}, Leon's Charizard is occasionally presented as this within the Galarian joke religion to "explain" the Dex cuts, as a "benevolent" deity that scorches any Pokémon who try to enter its holy land of Galar that it deems unworthy, including [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus]]. Which becomes HilariousInHindsight given that ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' not only has the titular OlympusMon as an important character, but ''doesn't even mention Charizard anywhere''.
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** The DLC expansions, the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra, are full of things fans have been clamoring for in a Pokémon game: no linearity or handholding whatsoever, its difficulty level (due to the latter), two gigantic new areas to explore freely, and Pokémon following you in the overworld. Fans love these additions, but often lament how all this is only found in what amounts to two paywalled post-game episodes and not a full ''Pokémon'' game in its own right, and desperately hope that Generation IX will take the positive feedback of the Expansion Pass into account.
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** The DLC expansions, the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra, are full of things fans have been clamoring for in a Pokémon game: no linearity or handholding whatsoever, its difficulty level (due to the latter), two gigantic new areas to explore freely, and Pokémon following you in the overworld. Fans love these additions, but often lament how all this is only found in what amounts to two paywalled post-game episodes and not a full ''Pokémon'' game in its own right, right; thankfully, ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' and desperately hope that Generation IX will take ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' incorporated some of the positive feedback of best-received ideas in the Expansion Pass into account.full games.
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*** Isle of Armor adds the Dynamax Vespiquen in Honeycalm Island, who attacks you when you and Hop investigate the big tree in search of Max Honey. While you're allowed to take as many Pokémon as you want with you, you're the only participant in the Max Raid Battle unlike the Dynamax Pokémon that show up at the gyms in the postgame quest. Going against it without super-effective moves is pure hell for Pokémon that are of a similar level to Mustard's Kubfu (fought not long beforehand, and while it won't raise barriers it ''will'' spam Defend Order at any opportunity and make it so only Max Attacks will deal a decent level of damage.
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*** Isle of Armor adds the Dynamax Vespiquen in Honeycalm Island, who attacks you when you and Hop investigate the big tree in search of Max Honey. While you're allowed to take as many Pokémon as you want with you, you're the only participant in the Max Raid Battle unlike the Dynamax Pokémon that show up at the gyms in the postgame quest. Going against it without super-effective moves is pure hell for Pokémon that are of a similar level to Mustard's Kubfu (fought not long beforehand, beforehand), and while it won't raise barriers it ''will'' spam Defend Order at any opportunity and make it so only Max Attacks will deal a decent level of damage.
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** InUniverse example: Peony's league card mentions he has a lot of male fans.
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** In-game example: Peony's league card mentions he has a lot of male fans.
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** In-game InUniverse example: Peony's league card mentions he has a lot of male fans.
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* JunkRare: Sinistea and Polteageist that possess authentic antiques appear much less often than those possessing forgeries, but are no stronger because of it. Even the cosmetic difference is hard to spot, and the Chipped Teapot needed for an authentic Sinistea to evolve is much harder to get than the forgeries’ Cracked Teapot, so trainers may be better off not spending the time bothering to track down an authentic one.
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* JunkRare: Sinistea and Polteageist that possess authentic antiques appear much less often than those possessing forgeries, but are no stronger because of it. Even See the cosmetic difference is hard to spot, and the Chipped Teapot needed for an authentic Sinistea to evolve is much harder to get than the forgeries’ Cracked Teapot, so trainers may be better off not spending the time bothering to track down an authentic one.series' sub-page [[JunkRare/{{Pokemon}} here]].
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** Or they wasted a perfectly good character design with Zacian and the Rotom Phone. For Zacian, they could have incorporated more unicorn elements to their design, to contrast with Zamazenta’s lion theme and based them on Great Britain’s Lion and Unicorn, with the sword acting as the horn which could detach and reattach. For the Rotom Phone, rather than using the same old basic smart phone design, they could have used a circular pocket watch design with a chain attached to Rotom to keep them from floating away and the circular design of the pocket watch could have matched perfectly as the bike’s headlight.
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** Greedent stores berries in its bushy tail and it's animation upon defeat has these berries fall out. Unfortunately, the speed and placement at which they come out make it look like Greedent is crapping out berries.
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** Greedent stores berries in its bushy tail and it's its animation upon defeat has these berries fall out. Unfortunately, the speed and placement at which they come out make it look like Greedent is crapping out berries.
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* {{Narm}}: Piers holding a concert in the back alley that serves as his gym should be really cool. When it zooms in on his face, his mouth is moving but with no voice. That could work, except that he also taps his heel repeatedly with a loud clopping noise, making it look like he's just mouthing at the microphone.
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** Piers holding a concert in the back alley that serves as his gym should be really cool. When it zooms in on his face, his mouth is moving but with no voice. That could work, except that he also taps his heel repeatedly with a loud clopping noise, making it look like he's just mouthing at themicrophone.microphone.
** Greedent stores berries in its bushy tail and it's animation upon defeat has these berries fall out. Unfortunately, the speed and placement at which they come out make it look like Greedent is crapping out berries.
** Piers holding a concert in the back alley that serves as his gym should be really cool. When it zooms in on his face, his mouth is moving but with no voice. That could work, except that he also taps his heel repeatedly with a loud clopping noise, making it look like he's just mouthing at the
** Greedent stores berries in its bushy tail and it's animation upon defeat has these berries fall out. Unfortunately, the speed and placement at which they come out make it look like Greedent is crapping out berries.
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Bonus Boss is a disambiguation
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** When the premise was first announced to be based off the UK, a popular candidate for being the Champion was an {{Expy}} of [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethII Queen Elizabeth II]] complete with a pair or even a full team of level 100 canine Pokemon while {{expy}}s of UsefulNotes/TheBritishRoyalFamily acted as the Elite Four. Even when this was dismissed with the reveal of Leon as the champion, the fans of this theory still hoped that characters based off the UK royals could become {{Bonus Boss}}es.
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** When the premise was first announced to be based off the UK, a popular candidate for being the Champion was an {{Expy}} of [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethII Queen Elizabeth II]] complete with a pair or even a full team of level 100 canine Pokemon while {{expy}}s of UsefulNotes/TheBritishRoyalFamily acted as the Elite Four. Even when this was dismissed with the reveal of Leon as the champion, the fans of this theory still hoped that characters based off the UK royals could become {{Bonus {{Optional Boss}}es.
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The phenomenon of sexy humanized Wooloo is Briefer Than They Think. It reached a peak when Wooloo was announced and kind of died off once the games came out. And non-humanoid Pokémon being personified into hot anthro versions of themselves is something that's bound to happen to every Pokemon. Wooloo isn't special; it was just revealed ahead of time and had a cute enough design that people made Fanart At First Sight of all varieties.
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** A lot of the new Pokémon have gotten this, but special mention goes to [[SweetSheep Wooloo]], who goes from an adorable sheep in the game to a CuteMonsterGirl in fanart. [[RuleThirtyFour Often with less or no wool]].
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* AmericansHateTingle: ''Pokémon Sword'' and ''Shield'' were well-received in their native Japan, getting a 38/40 Famitsu score and winning the same publication's award for Game of the Year 2019, largely due to Japanese gamers' larger tolerance and acceptance of its linearity and outdated design elements. In the West, they ended up becoming some of the most divisive entries in the series.
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** Zacian is often called "Sif" due to it resembling the boss Great Grey Wolf Sif from ''VideoGame/DarkSouls1'', which is also a [[CanisMajor large wolf]] with a sword in its mouth.
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** Zacian is often called "Sif" due to it resembling the boss Great Grey Wolf Sif from ''VideoGame/DarkSouls1'', ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsI'', which is also a [[CanisMajor large wolf]] with a sword in its mouth.
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** A lack of roughness, bump or normal maps in the environment causes a significant amount of the terrain throughout the region (most evidently visible in the three Wild Areas) to appear flat, not at all helped by a significant portion of the shadows being baked into the textures themselves rather than generated through lighting engines. Similarly, the lack of roughness maps in characters' models in conjunction with the normal maps being used to create the cel-shading effects rather than simulate depth and direction causes an odd, unchanging fresnel that exacerbates the issue of many models looking overtly smooth - almost like plastic figurines with the details painted on.
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** A lack of roughness, bump or normal maps in the environment causes a significant amount of the terrain throughout the region (most evidently visible in the three Wild Areas) to appear flat, not at all helped by a significant portion of the shadows being baked into the textures themselves rather than generated through lighting engines. Similarly, the lack of roughness maps in characters' models in conjunction with the normal maps being used to create the cel-shading effects rather than simulate depth and direction causes an odd, unchanging fresnel that exacerbates the issue of many models looking overtly smooth - almost like plastic figurines with the details painted on. ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' would seek to rectify this by applying subtle bump and normal maps to the people and Pokemon, giving them additional texture and detail, utilizing more robust bump mapping and materials for the maps and utilizing a proper lighting engine to cast real time shadows. While the execution [[ObviousBeta leaves a lot to be desired]], these extra touches go a long way to making things feel a lot less hollow.
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*** Groudon is just as bad as all of these. All but two of his attacks target your entire party, and this can lead to your party being wiped very, very quickly, even with type advantage. He also uses Precipice Blades directly after entering his second phase.
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** Due to being a rather nondescript pale blob, Milcery looks suspiciously like [[ADateWithRosiePalms a different type of cream]]. Its shiny form, being pure white, is possibly even worse in this regard.
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** Due to being a rather nondescript pale blob, Milcery looks suspiciously like [[ADateWithRosiePalms a different type of cream]].cream. Its shiny form, being pure white, is possibly even worse in this regard.
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** Or they wasted a perfectly good character design with Zacian and the Rotom Phone. For Zacian, they could have incorporated more unicorn elements to their design, to contrast with Zamazenta’s lion theme and based them on Great Britain’s Lion and Unicorn, with the sword acting as the horn which could detach and reattach. For the Rotom Phone, rather than using the same old basic smart phone design, they could have used a circular pocket watch design with a chain attached to Rotom to keep them from floating away and the circular design of the pocket watch could have matched perfectly as the bike’s headlight.
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** The Fairy type, while already quite popular, got some flak for largely adhering to the GirlShowGhetto, especially when juxtaposed with its strength against other popular and stereotypically "badass" types such as Dark and Dragon.[[note]]In particular, Sylveon and Primarina - two Pokémon with gender-neutral pre-evolutions and male-majority gender ratios - are known for their exaggerated feminine TertiarySexualCharacteristics, although this didn't stop them from being [[LGBTFanbase a delight to gender-nonconforming fans]].[[/note]] Generation VIII introduces Fairy-types with a wider variety of more diverse designs, such as the badass and cool (but still feminine) sword-wielding Zacian, the monstrous, male-only Grimmsnarl, and the hilarious Galarian Weezing modeled after mustachioed capitalist caricatures and their factories. Rival Bede, the game's traditional {{jerkass}} rival, also becomes a Fairy-type specialist, in contrast to Valerie and Mina before him who are more feminine and laid-back in keeping with the type's stereotype.
** The Pokémon franchise is constantly mocked for [[AdultsAreUseless the adults being completely useless]] and letting a 10 year old deal with the world threatening crisis. Leon is constantly on top of the situation at every turn and takes care of most problems that arise himself. The only reason the protagonist has to get involved in the situation is [[spoiler:because he tried to stop Eternatus and just barely failed]] and the heroes actively jump into the situation to help.
** Some fans disliked the lack of characterization and interactions between major NPC's and the player character. Isle of Armor often has Gym Leaders hanging out around various locations and will talk to the player when approached, as well as Hop being present for a hilarious FetchQuest. ''Crown Tundra'' adds to this with the [[LargeHam bombastic]] Peony, the [[TheComicallySerious talkative and polite]] Calyrex, and the Galarian Star Tournament which allows you to mix-and-match several NPC's for hilarious interactions with each other.
** The Fairy type, while already quite popular, got some flak for largely adhering to the GirlShowGhetto, especially when juxtaposed with its strength against other popular and stereotypically "badass" types such as Dark and Dragon.[[note]]In particular, Sylveon and Primarina - two Pokémon with gender-neutral pre-evolutions and male-majority gender ratios - are known for their exaggerated feminine TertiarySexualCharacteristics, although this didn't stop them from being [[LGBTFanbase a delight to gender-nonconforming fans]].[[/note]] Generation VIII introduces Fairy-types with a wider variety of more diverse designs, such as the badass and cool (but still feminine) sword-wielding Zacian, the monstrous, male-only Grimmsnarl, and the hilarious Galarian Weezing modeled after mustachioed capitalist caricatures and their factories. Rival Bede, the game's traditional {{jerkass}} rival, also becomes a Fairy-type specialist, in contrast to Valerie and Mina before him who are more feminine and laid-back in keeping with the type's stereotype.
** The Pokémon franchise is constantly mocked for [[AdultsAreUseless the adults being completely useless]] and letting a 10 year old deal with the world threatening crisis. Leon is constantly on top of the situation at every turn and takes care of most problems that arise himself. The only reason the protagonist has to get involved in the situation is [[spoiler:because he tried to stop Eternatus and just barely failed]] and the heroes actively jump into the situation to help.
** Some fans disliked the lack of characterization and interactions between major NPC's and the player character. Isle of Armor often has Gym Leaders hanging out around various locations and will talk to the player when approached, as well as Hop being present for a hilarious FetchQuest. ''Crown Tundra'' adds to this with the [[LargeHam bombastic]] Peony, the [[TheComicallySerious talkative and polite]] Calyrex, and the Galarian Star Tournament which allows you to mix-and-match several NPC's for hilarious interactions with each other.
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** While the Regional Variant concept was well received in its debut in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', many weren't happy that the Alolan Forms were limited to Pokémon originating in ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue''. This game rectifies that by giving Galarian Forms to Pokemon from other generations, and some, like Galarian Linoone, even get entirely new evolutions.
** For the past two generations, there's been at least one type with either only two new Pokémon, only one new evolutionary family, or both[[note]]In Generation VI, Diggersby and Zygarde were the only two new Ground types, while Scatterbug and Skrelp's families were the only new ones of Bug and Poison type. In Generation VII, meanwhile, Incineroar and Guzzlord were the only two new Dark types while Crabominable was the only new Ice type[[/note]]. ''Pokémon Sword and Shield'' make sure there are at least three new Pokemon of a given type across at least two different families. The Ice and Dark types in particular got a massive increase in completely new Pokémon compared to the previous generation, with 6 new Ice types and 7 new Dark types.
** ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' received flak for adding excessive forced tutorials, as well as sluggish pacing due to unskippable cutscenes. In ''Sword'' and ''Shield'', a lot of tutorials are now optional, and players can skip cutscenes. This makes playing the game a lot smoother.
** Previous games were criticized for making Ice-types only available much later when they weren't very useful. Thanks to the Wild Area, you can catch one easily even before the first gym.
** The characters in the 3DS games were somewhat expressive, but the playable characters, especially in ''Sun and Moon'', were notably blank faced even in times where they should have been emoting. Here, every major character, including the playable characters, is pretty expressive. The player characters properly emote and express themselves at opportune times (such as a big expression of joy when making good curry or winning a major battle, or a serious and determined expression when facing off against Dynamaxed Pokemon), while the Gym Leaders all have unique and fun expressions and animations all throughout their battles. Even random [=NPCs=] sometimes smile when the player approaches them, which is a nice touch.
** After its removal from the series starting with ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Black and White]]'' (which themselves also suffered from controversy) and its respective items being moved to the general Items pocket, the pocket for Poké Balls in the Bag menu finally returns after a decade long absence.
** The entries on the Nintendo [=3DS=] were notorious for lacking compatibility with each other, which not only prevented Pokémon with certain moves or certain species of Pokémon from being used or transferred, but also often forced players to get the newest installment to stay up to date. In ''Sword and Shield'', however, players can use any Pokémon available in the Galar region, including those added via the Expansion Pass, even if they do not buy the pass themselves.
** Due to global multiplayer being locked behind Nintendo Switch Online and the absence of the Global Trading Service, players feared that if the GTS was re-implemented, it would require a subscription to use it. ''Pokémon HOME'', however, allows players with the smartphone version coupled with the free Basic Box to use the GTS for free in a similar vein to the 3DS GTS.
** Many people disliked how the Gigantamax forms of Pikachu and Eevee were locked behind save data of ''VideoGame/PokemonLetsGoPikachuAndLetsGoEevee'', forcing players to either buy or borrow the games to get the forms if they didn't have them. A Raid News event in May of 2020 allows Gigantamax Pikachu to be captured, with the Eevee G-Max coming shortly afterward. For those who missed out on Gigantamax Meowth, it came right afterward.
** One of the most disliked things about Dynamaxing was that Gigantamax forms were limited to Pokémon caught in dens and were unable to breed them as well. The Isle of Armour DLC addresses this by introducing Max Soup that lets any Pokémon who has a Gigantamax form switch between it and its Dynamax form.
** Trainers who missed their Pokemon following them on the overworld (as last seen in [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver the Johto remakes]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonLetsGoPikachuAndEevee the Let's Go! games]]) will be delighted to know that you can do that once more after obtaining Kubfu on the Isle of Armor.
** After some players were disappointed with the slew of friendly rivals in the later half of the series such as Hau and Trace, the main story includes a second rival alongside Hop named Bede, who is a {{Jerkass}} similar to Blue in the original games. Isle of Armor includes Klara and Avery, two trainers [[BitchInSheepsClothing with a hidden jerk side]].
** Following nearly two years of ire ever since ''Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee'' ditched friend codes in lieu of a '''very''' narrow code-based communication system that frequently matches up people who weren't intending to connect to each other, the update in June 2020 alongside the release of Isle of Armor increased the codes from four digits to eight, taking the possible amount of combinations from ten thousand to one hundred million - a number much higher than the amount of sold copies will ever reach and drastically reducing the chance of clashing codes.
** The Wild Area was well-received, but criticized for its limited size making it very small for a WideOpenSandbox. When the Expansion Pass was announced, special emphasis was placed on the fact that the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra would use the same mechanics as the Wild Area. Upon release, the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were discovered to be truly ''enormous'', with little handholding or railroading to be found.
** The update on the day of the Isle of Armor's release now allows you to see the opponent's team and select your Pokémon simultaneously in Team Preview in multiplayer matches. This eliminates the hassle of having to always switch back and forth between Pokémon selection and the opponent's lineup, as well as the need to write down or memorize what your opponent's team looks like.
** PowerCreep has long been an issue in the franchise, and in Generation 8 it seems a lot of effort went into limiting it. Aside from nerfing various abilities and removing Hidden Power (without which many powerful Pokémon become easier to counter), it's notable that many powerful moves (in particular some of the Isle of Armor move tutor moves) cannot be learned by already strong Pokémon that could heavily abuse them. Aside from Pokémon that were intended to be overpowered (namely restricted use Legendaries), several new Pokémon with tremendous stats also got saddled with very limited movepools so that they could be strong but not too strong.
** Several returning Legendary and Mythical Pokémon now at last have regular access to moves that were formerly event only. In particular Victini's famous V-Create, a move that has long been considered vital for it and yet was not available to most Victini as only certain older event ones came with it. It's now available via move reminder on any Victini.
** The concept of certain Pokémon only being able to be obtained by trading (trade evolutions in particular) is a BrokenBase topic across the series. ''Sword and Shield'' make significant steps in mitigating this features, by not adding any new Pokémon that evolved by trading[[note]]Applin is, however, a borderline case, as the items required to evolve it are version-exclusive[[/note]], and by making all Pokémon that evolve by trading available to catch in the wild or through Max Raids. The Crown Tundra lends an extra hand by allowing you to rematch any legendary you encounter, including those exclusives to the opposite version, so as long as you encounter them once, they are now available in your version. The only Pokémon that can't be obtained without trading are whichever Urshifu form, new Regi (Regieleki or Regidrago), or horse (Glastrier and Spectrier) you didn't pick.
** Entry hazards, Stealth Rock in particular, are disliked by a number of fans due to essentially being mandatory to account for when battling other players, and rendering some Pokémon (mainly those weak to rock) far more difficult to play. These games not only buffed Rapid Spin (one means of getting rid of them) considerably, but introduced Heavy Duty Boots, a held item that renders a Pokémon immune to entry hazards. This not only makes Rapid Spin a viable move on top of getting rid of entry hazards, but lets Pokémon who would otherwise be crippled by them be viable.
** The initial announcement of only 435 Pokémon being compatible with the game (nicknamed "Dexit" in many circles) didn’t sit well with many a Pokémon fan. Thanks to the Crown Tundra and Isle of Armor DLC many more Pokémon were made compatible as a result. Adding to this, the extra compatibility was made completely free via a patch without the need to buy the DLC.
** If you want to fill your Pokédex but can't trade for whatever reason, the DLC is a godsend- multiple Pokémon that only evolve by trading can be found wandering around. Admittedly, some only appear under certain weather conditions, but it's something.
* SalvagedStory: The movie ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'' featured a new specimen of a difficult to create, unbreedable manmade Pokemon [[note]]Mewtwo[[/note]], with absolutely no explanation how the scientists were able to make it or any reference to the original. In ''Sword and Shield'', meanwhile, while the [[spoiler:Type: Null]] the player can receive is also a new specimen, the ''Sword'' Pokédex entry elaborates on how it was possible and makes it clear it was based on stolen research for the original.
** While the Regional Variant concept was well received in its debut in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', many weren't happy that the Alolan Forms were limited to Pokémon originating in ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue''. This game rectifies that by giving Galarian Forms to Pokemon from other generations, and some, like Galarian Linoone, even get entirely new evolutions.
** For the past two generations, there's been at least one type with either only two new Pokémon, only one new evolutionary family, or both[[note]]In Generation VI, Diggersby and Zygarde were the only two new Ground types, while Scatterbug and Skrelp's families were the only new ones of Bug and Poison type. In Generation VII, meanwhile, Incineroar and Guzzlord were the only two new Dark types while Crabominable was the only new Ice type[[/note]]. ''Pokémon Sword and Shield'' make sure there are at least three new Pokemon of a given type across at least two different families. The Ice and Dark types in particular got a massive increase in completely new Pokémon compared to the previous generation, with 6 new Ice types and 7 new Dark types.
** ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' received flak for adding excessive forced tutorials, as well as sluggish pacing due to unskippable cutscenes. In ''Sword'' and ''Shield'', a lot of tutorials are now optional, and players can skip cutscenes. This makes playing the game a lot smoother.
** Previous games were criticized for making Ice-types only available much later when they weren't very useful. Thanks to the Wild Area, you can catch one easily even before the first gym.
** The characters in the 3DS games were somewhat expressive, but the playable characters, especially in ''Sun and Moon'', were notably blank faced even in times where they should have been emoting. Here, every major character, including the playable characters, is pretty expressive. The player characters properly emote and express themselves at opportune times (such as a big expression of joy when making good curry or winning a major battle, or a serious and determined expression when facing off against Dynamaxed Pokemon), while the Gym Leaders all have unique and fun expressions and animations all throughout their battles. Even random [=NPCs=] sometimes smile when the player approaches them, which is a nice touch.
** After its removal from the series starting with ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Black and White]]'' (which themselves also suffered from controversy) and its respective items being moved to the general Items pocket, the pocket for Poké Balls in the Bag menu finally returns after a decade long absence.
** The entries on the Nintendo [=3DS=] were notorious for lacking compatibility with each other, which not only prevented Pokémon with certain moves or certain species of Pokémon from being used or transferred, but also often forced players to get the newest installment to stay up to date. In ''Sword and Shield'', however, players can use any Pokémon available in the Galar region, including those added via the Expansion Pass, even if they do not buy the pass themselves.
** Due to global multiplayer being locked behind Nintendo Switch Online and the absence of the Global Trading Service, players feared that if the GTS was re-implemented, it would require a subscription to use it. ''Pokémon HOME'', however, allows players with the smartphone version coupled with the free Basic Box to use the GTS for free in a similar vein to the 3DS GTS.
** Many people disliked how the Gigantamax forms of Pikachu and Eevee were locked behind save data of ''VideoGame/PokemonLetsGoPikachuAndLetsGoEevee'', forcing players to either buy or borrow the games to get the forms if they didn't have them. A Raid News event in May of 2020 allows Gigantamax Pikachu to be captured, with the Eevee G-Max coming shortly afterward. For those who missed out on Gigantamax Meowth, it came right afterward.
** One of the most disliked things about Dynamaxing was that Gigantamax forms were limited to Pokémon caught in dens and were unable to breed them as well. The Isle of Armour DLC addresses this by introducing Max Soup that lets any Pokémon who has a Gigantamax form switch between it and its Dynamax form.
** Trainers who missed their Pokemon following them on the overworld (as last seen in [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver the Johto remakes]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonLetsGoPikachuAndEevee the Let's Go! games]]) will be delighted to know that you can do that once more after obtaining Kubfu on the Isle of Armor.
** After some players were disappointed with the slew of friendly rivals in the later half of the series such as Hau and Trace, the main story includes a second rival alongside Hop named Bede, who is a {{Jerkass}} similar to Blue in the original games. Isle of Armor includes Klara and Avery, two trainers [[BitchInSheepsClothing with a hidden jerk side]].
** Following nearly two years of ire ever since ''Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee'' ditched friend codes in lieu of a '''very''' narrow code-based communication system that frequently matches up people who weren't intending to connect to each other, the update in June 2020 alongside the release of Isle of Armor increased the codes from four digits to eight, taking the possible amount of combinations from ten thousand to one hundred million - a number much higher than the amount of sold copies will ever reach and drastically reducing the chance of clashing codes.
** The Wild Area was well-received, but criticized for its limited size making it very small for a WideOpenSandbox. When the Expansion Pass was announced, special emphasis was placed on the fact that the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra would use the same mechanics as the Wild Area. Upon release, the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were discovered to be truly ''enormous'', with little handholding or railroading to be found.
** The update on the day of the Isle of Armor's release now allows you to see the opponent's team and select your Pokémon simultaneously in Team Preview in multiplayer matches. This eliminates the hassle of having to always switch back and forth between Pokémon selection and the opponent's lineup, as well as the need to write down or memorize what your opponent's team looks like.
** PowerCreep has long been an issue in the franchise, and in Generation 8 it seems a lot of effort went into limiting it. Aside from nerfing various abilities and removing Hidden Power (without which many powerful Pokémon become easier to counter), it's notable that many powerful moves (in particular some of the Isle of Armor move tutor moves) cannot be learned by already strong Pokémon that could heavily abuse them. Aside from Pokémon that were intended to be overpowered (namely restricted use Legendaries), several new Pokémon with tremendous stats also got saddled with very limited movepools so that they could be strong but not too strong.
** Several returning Legendary and Mythical Pokémon now at last have regular access to moves that were formerly event only. In particular Victini's famous V-Create, a move that has long been considered vital for it and yet was not available to most Victini as only certain older event ones came with it. It's now available via move reminder on any Victini.
** The concept of certain Pokémon only being able to be obtained by trading (trade evolutions in particular) is a BrokenBase topic across the series. ''Sword and Shield'' make significant steps in mitigating this features, by not adding any new Pokémon that evolved by trading[[note]]Applin is, however, a borderline case, as the items required to evolve it are version-exclusive[[/note]], and by making all Pokémon that evolve by trading available to catch in the wild or through Max Raids. The Crown Tundra lends an extra hand by allowing you to rematch any legendary you encounter, including those exclusives to the opposite version, so as long as you encounter them once, they are now available in your version. The only Pokémon that can't be obtained without trading are whichever Urshifu form, new Regi (Regieleki or Regidrago), or horse (Glastrier and Spectrier) you didn't pick.
** Entry hazards, Stealth Rock in particular, are disliked by a number of fans due to essentially being mandatory to account for when battling other players, and rendering some Pokémon (mainly those weak to rock) far more difficult to play. These games not only buffed Rapid Spin (one means of getting rid of them) considerably, but introduced Heavy Duty Boots, a held item that renders a Pokémon immune to entry hazards. This not only makes Rapid Spin a viable move on top of getting rid of entry hazards, but lets Pokémon who would otherwise be crippled by them be viable.
** The initial announcement of only 435 Pokémon being compatible with the game (nicknamed "Dexit" in many circles) didn’t sit well with many a Pokémon fan. Thanks to the Crown Tundra and Isle of Armor DLC many more Pokémon were made compatible as a result. Adding to this, the extra compatibility was made completely free via a patch without the need to buy the DLC.
** If you want to fill your Pokédex but can't trade for whatever reason, the DLC is a godsend- multiple Pokémon that only evolve by trading can be found wandering around. Admittedly, some only appear under certain weather conditions, but it's something.
* SalvagedStory: The movie ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'' featured a new specimen of a difficult to create, unbreedable manmade Pokemon [[note]]Mewtwo[[/note]], with absolutely no explanation how the scientists were able to make it or any reference to the original. In ''Sword and Shield'', meanwhile, while the [[spoiler:Type: Null]] the player can receive is also a new specimen, the ''Sword'' Pokédex entry elaborates on how it was possible and makes it clear it was based on stolen research for the original.
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** While it certainly has it's high points with a more competitive balance and fun multiplayer it is brought down by it's easier difficulty and little content outside of the main story (barring DLC), and being considered somewhat outdated with VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus being a [[EvenBetterSequel superior game]] to many.
** While it certainly has it's high points with a more competitive balance and fun multiplayer it is brought down by it's easier difficulty and little content outside of the main story (barring DLC), and being considered somewhat outdated with VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus being a [[EvenBetterSequel superior game]] to many.
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**SoOkayItsAverage: While it certainly has it's its high points with a more competitive balance and fun multiplayer multiplayer, it is brought down by it's its easier difficulty and little content outside of the main story (barring DLC), and being considered somewhat outdated with VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' being a [[EvenBetterSequel superior game]] to many.
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** While it certainly has it's high points with a more competitive balance and fun multiplayer it is brought down by it's easier difficulty and little content outside of the main story (barring DLC), and being considered somewhat outdated with VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus being a [[EvenBetterSequel superior games]] game]] to many.
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** While it certainly has it's high points with a more competitive balance and fun multiplayer it is brought down by it's easier difficulty and little content outside of the main story (barring DLC), and being considered somewhat outdated with VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus and VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet being [[EvenBetterSequel superior games]] to many.
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** Due to being a rather nondescript pale blob, Milcery looks suspiciously like [[ADateWithRosyPalms a different type of cream]]. Its shiny form, being pure white, is possibly even worse in this regard.
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** Due to being a rather nondescript pale blob, Milcery looks suspiciously like [[ADateWithRosyPalms [[ADateWithRosiePalms a different type of cream]]. Its shiny form, being pure white, is possibly even worse in this regard.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (which is made worse by the fact that the AI cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the beast way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (which is made worse by the fact that the AI teammates cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the beast best way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun (its namesake) against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (wihc is made worse by the fact that the AI cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the beast way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (wihc (which is made worse by the fact that the AI cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the beast way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
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*** Solgaleo's an often overlooked but brutal fight, especially if one is attempting to get a shiny. Like Celesteela above, its [[JackOfAllStats well-rounded stats]] make for a very bulky and hard-hitting Steel type with excellent coverage, along with Noble Roar to lower the entire party's attacking stats. Not only does this make it a painful combination with Steel's many resistances (which means you'll often get stuck with rentals unable to put a dent into it), but one cannot even lower its stats due to it posessing Full Metal Body (wihc is made worse by the fact that the AI cannot accomodate for this, and will often spam stat-lowering moves in complete vain). Ironically, the beast way to tackle it (if you're lucky to get any Fire types in the first place) is to use the heat of the sun against it, as it is still weak to fire and Max Flare ([[HoistByHisOwnPetard which it will sometimes set up itself due to having Fire Spin in its moveset]]) sets up intense sun. Nonetheless, this is still far from an easy victory even with ideal conditions.
