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* LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition:
** The game has the "The Wild Cards Premium Edition", it comes with a special 3DS XL case, art book, soundtrack CD, and physical representations of the tarot cards used in-game.
** Separate from the game is a special edition themed 3DS... which for some bizarre reason doesn't come with the game.
** The game has the "The Wild Cards Premium Edition", it comes with a special 3DS XL case, art book, soundtrack CD, and physical representations of the tarot cards used in-game.
** Separate from the game is a special edition themed 3DS... which for some bizarre reason doesn't come with the game.
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is Makoto's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is Makoto's P3 MC's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* TierInducedScrappy: Due to SP being difficult to heal, magic-heavy Persona users will be mostly phased out in favor of physical specialists further into the game. The only magic that remains practicality are the instant-kill Dark and Light spells and status effects. As both are affected by Luck, magic-heavy Persona users with a high Luck score, like Ken, Naoto, and Makoto, can retain their usability with a Sub-Persona that can cast either Light or Dark Magic or status effects. Although Yukari has multiple healing skills, her low Agility makes her a poor healer. Her Luck is also among the lowest in the party, which makes it difficult to salvage her other stats; Mitsuru is affected similarly, though despite having good Luck and a phenomenal skill in Tentarafoo, she has the misfortune of being somewhat slow, and having a borderline-useless unique move (Punishment, which relies on her low physical power, and requires binds that the move ''removes.'').
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* TierInducedScrappy: Due to SP being difficult to heal, magic-heavy Persona users will be mostly phased out in favor of physical specialists further into the game. The only magic that remains practicality are the instant-kill Dark and Light spells and status effects. As both are affected by Luck, magic-heavy Persona users with a high Luck score, like Ken, Naoto, and Makoto, P3 MC, can retain their usability with a Sub-Persona that can cast either Light or Dark Magic or status effects. Although Yukari has multiple healing skills, her low Agility makes her a poor healer. Her Luck is also among the lowest in the party, which makes it difficult to salvage her other stats; Mitsuru is affected similarly, though despite having good Luck and a phenomenal skill in Tentarafoo, she has the misfortune of being somewhat slow, and having a borderline-useless unique move (Punishment, which relies on her low physical power, and requires binds that the move ''removes.'').
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** It also takes maybe a bit too much from [[VideoGame/{{Persona}} Persona 1]] in regards to [[spoiler:Rei. To the point that she almost comes off as a carbon-copy of Maki.]]
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* LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition:
** The game has the "The Wild Cards Premium Edition", it comes with a special 3DS XL case, art book, soundtrack CD, and physical representations of the tarot cards used in-game.
** Separate from the game is a special edition themed 3DS... which for some bizarre reason doesn't come with the game.
** The game has the "The Wild Cards Premium Edition", it comes with a special 3DS XL case, art book, soundtrack CD, and physical representations of the tarot cards used in-game.
** Separate from the game is a special edition themed 3DS... which for some bizarre reason doesn't come with the game.
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Not YMMV.
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* HellIsThatNoise: Pretty much any sound relating to F.O.Es. Notable examples:
** The cry they give if they catch you.
** The rattle sound that announces the coming of the Cute Baby, the giggling of the Lovely Dolls and the squelching sound the Old Doll makes as it moves.
** The footsteps of the Fast Guy, which are usually your first sign that one's in the room.
** The noise the Group Date Cafe FOEs make when they shoot you, especially if you're forced into their direction.
** [[spoiler: The Reaper's chains.]]
** The cry they give if they catch you.
** The rattle sound that announces the coming of the Cute Baby, the giggling of the Lovely Dolls and the squelching sound the Old Doll makes as it moves.
** The footsteps of the Fast Guy, which are usually your first sign that one's in the room.
** The noise the Group Date Cafe FOEs make when they shoot you, especially if you're forced into their direction.
** [[spoiler: The Reaper's chains.]]
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* BreatherLevel: The first few floors of final dungeon are fairly short and simple compared to the [[MarathonLevel very long]] last floor of the previous dungeon, which had a lengthy puzzle that required you to go to all four parts of the room in one trip. [[DifficultySpike It doesn't last, though]].
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** The later floors of the dungeons also have large singular shadows that are tough and can act twice a turn. [[PaletteSwap Golden versions]] of these act as the {{Bonus Boss}}es of their respective dungeons.
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** The later floors of the dungeons also have large singular shadows that that, while faced alone, are tough and can act twice a turn. [[PaletteSwap Golden versions]] of these act as the {{Bonus Boss}}es of their respective dungeons.
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** The Boost system. If a character hits a Crit or a weakness, the next turn, their skills have no HP or SP cost, just as long as they avoid getting hit.
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** The Boost system. If a character hits a Crit or a weakness, the next turn, their skills have no HP or SP cost, just as long as they avoid getting hit. If a character has a good critical hit rate and/or an attack that can take advantage of an enemy's weakness, as well as enough evasion or player luck to keep the boost, it's possible to keep using powerful and expensive moves round after round.
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** The Sub-Persona system. The protagonists are not the only ones who can have multiple Personas now, as anyone can equip a sub-Persona to give them extra skills to use, to augment their HP and SP, and can be tooled to play to the character's strengths. Combine that with the Skill Card system, which allows a player to get almost every skill as a Skill Card and teach it to the characters main Personas, and the player can have a pretty versatile cast of characters to use.
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** The Sub-Persona system. The protagonists are not the only ones who can have multiple Personas now, as anyone can equip a sub-Persona to give them extra skills to use, to augment their HP and SP, and can be tooled to play to the character's strengths. Combine that with the Skill Card system, which allows a player to get almost every skill as a Skill Card and teach it to the characters characters' main Personas, and the player can have a pretty versatile cast of characters to use.
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** In the Persona 3 route, in the last dungeon, Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. But with this game's events being forgotten, players of Persona 3 will know that this [[ForegoneConclusion is rendered moot]].]]
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** In the Persona 3 route, in the last dungeon, Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro.Shinjiro, and similarly, the P4 side ends with him preparing to go back home with a similar change of heart being implied. But with this game's events being forgotten, players of Persona 3 will know that this [[ForegoneConclusion is rendered moot]].]]
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** The one-two punch of the tiles that drain SP and the fact that, to get the treasure on each floor players need to not just find, but step on every single tile. The tiles are particularly cruel, as the cutscene introducing them has Junpei think they'll drain HP, [[MagicIsRareHealthIsCheap which would have been much more convenient.]]
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** The one-two punch of the tiles that drain SP and the fact that, to get the treasure on each floor players need to not just find, but step on every single tile. The tiles are particularly cruel, as the cutscene introducing them (in which the party automatically steps on one as a demonstration) has Junpei think they'll drain HP, [[MagicIsRareHealthIsCheap which would have been much more convenient.]]
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** For people who like to fuse as many personas as possible (both to make sure that their Persona stock are high level, and to add more variety to better complete the compendium), the fact that multiple characters use compedium personas (and that the game's balanced with everyone using one in mind) can be annoying.
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** For people who like to fuse as many personas as possible (both to make sure that their Persona stock are high level, and to add more variety to better complete the compendium), the fact that multiple characters use compedium compendium personas (and that the game's balanced with everyone using one in mind) can be annoying.
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* GameBreaker:
** The Boost system in general. Hit crits and weaknesses, and the next turn, your spells and attacks have zero HP and SP cost. Look at all the skills below, and with the right setup you can spam them infinitely.
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. Needless to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from. Not helping is the fact that many enemies appear to be weak to at least one of the two; not only does this increase its hit rate, it also gives you Boost, making the next attack cost no SP.
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
** Panic renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade. This means that multi-hit attacks whose sole balancing factor was their low accuracy are now overpowered, and when combined with buffs like Power Charge, can easily take out F.O.Es in one turn.
** Naoto is the best character to use from the get-go, with natural high speed, decent attack power, having both Hama and Mudo while not having weaknesses to either like Ken and Koromaru, and because of the boost system, Naoto can easily throw around Almighty spells.
** Impure Reach and Binding Hands increase the chance of inflicting ailments and binds respectively. Impure Reach can also improve the success rate of the Hama and Mudo skills mentioned above as well...
** Stagnant Air. Take everything mentioned above about status ailments and multiply the effectiveness with Stagnant Air which increases the turns that an enemy is affected by an ailment. Bosses normally can break out of an ailment in only a few turns but once you use Stagnant Air they can spend far longer under the effects of an ailment that might already be utterly debilitating.
** Decent sleep spells (like Lullaby Song) can easily stunlock enemies (seeing as though enemies can't do anything if you hit them out of a sleep state).
** Orpheus Telos' Healing Harp. While it does require [[BribingYourWayToVictory buying him as DLC]], it's usually worth keeping him around for this skill alone: it fully heals the party and removes all status ailments, more or less combining Fuuka's abilities in one handy Persona.
** And lastly, the fact that all of the above can be combined into one character easily via Sub-Persona. Naoto's main balancer was that she had very high SP consumption and a more specialized than most move pool which can be completely overwritten by just giving her a Sub-Persona with high SP and whatever moves you want. And said moves can easily be an Ailment Circle (tries to inflict its ailment to the whole enemy side when it's cast and at the end of the next 3 turns, low SP cost making it spamable until it hits), Impure Reach which boosts both her Hama/Mudo skills AND her ailment attacks, Stagnant Air to make that ailment 2-3 times more devastating, and bring it home with a good multi hit move which by the end of the game can go up to about 8 hits which almost guarantees a critical... which gives a boost which means a free Megidolaon. And that says nothing about whatever you decide to do with the rest of your team during this time.
** And if you really want to be mean, use Death's Scythe to increase damage to enemies with an ailment on them. Talk about kicking them while they're down.
** It's possible to combine Aigis' Orgia Mode with Shura Tensei (massive attack boost at the cost of lowered HP every turn), Power Charge and any full-party hitting physical attack like Aeon Rain to deal absurd amounts of damage, to the point where she can 2-shot ''[[BonusBoss Bonus Bosses]]''. Add in Debilitate and Heat Riser for even more fun.
** Effective use of Link attacks. Golden Link + Quadruple Link (or Infinite Link for even more overkill) + hitting an enemy's weakness means that they'll take reasonable damage for the first hit, then every time a teammate hits the enemy, they'll also take a hit that does twice the damage of the first link. Dragon Cry is perfect for this as well; it makes sure that the user goes first and gets a massive attack boost, ensuring that damage is maximized.
** The Boost system in general. Hit crits and weaknesses, and the next turn, your spells and attacks have zero HP and SP cost. Look at all the skills below, and with the right setup you can spam them infinitely.
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. Needless to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from. Not helping is the fact that many enemies appear to be weak to at least one of the two; not only does this increase its hit rate, it also gives you Boost, making the next attack cost no SP.
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
** Panic renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade. This means that multi-hit attacks whose sole balancing factor was their low accuracy are now overpowered, and when combined with buffs like Power Charge, can easily take out F.O.Es in one turn.
** Naoto is the best character to use from the get-go, with natural high speed, decent attack power, having both Hama and Mudo while not having weaknesses to either like Ken and Koromaru, and because of the boost system, Naoto can easily throw around Almighty spells.
** Impure Reach and Binding Hands increase the chance of inflicting ailments and binds respectively. Impure Reach can also improve the success rate of the Hama and Mudo skills mentioned above as well...
** Stagnant Air. Take everything mentioned above about status ailments and multiply the effectiveness with Stagnant Air which increases the turns that an enemy is affected by an ailment. Bosses normally can break out of an ailment in only a few turns but once you use Stagnant Air they can spend far longer under the effects of an ailment that might already be utterly debilitating.
** Decent sleep spells (like Lullaby Song) can easily stunlock enemies (seeing as though enemies can't do anything if you hit them out of a sleep state).
** Orpheus Telos' Healing Harp. While it does require [[BribingYourWayToVictory buying him as DLC]], it's usually worth keeping him around for this skill alone: it fully heals the party and removes all status ailments, more or less combining Fuuka's abilities in one handy Persona.
** And lastly, the fact that all of the above can be combined into one character easily via Sub-Persona. Naoto's main balancer was that she had very high SP consumption and a more specialized than most move pool which can be completely overwritten by just giving her a Sub-Persona with high SP and whatever moves you want. And said moves can easily be an Ailment Circle (tries to inflict its ailment to the whole enemy side when it's cast and at the end of the next 3 turns, low SP cost making it spamable until it hits), Impure Reach which boosts both her Hama/Mudo skills AND her ailment attacks, Stagnant Air to make that ailment 2-3 times more devastating, and bring it home with a good multi hit move which by the end of the game can go up to about 8 hits which almost guarantees a critical... which gives a boost which means a free Megidolaon. And that says nothing about whatever you decide to do with the rest of your team during this time.
** And if you really want to be mean, use Death's Scythe to increase damage to enemies with an ailment on them. Talk about kicking them while they're down.
** It's possible to combine Aigis' Orgia Mode with Shura Tensei (massive attack boost at the cost of lowered HP every turn), Power Charge and any full-party hitting physical attack like Aeon Rain to deal absurd amounts of damage, to the point where she can 2-shot ''[[BonusBoss Bonus Bosses]]''. Add in Debilitate and Heat Riser for even more fun.
** Effective use of Link attacks. Golden Link + Quadruple Link (or Infinite Link for even more overkill) + hitting an enemy's weakness means that they'll take reasonable damage for the first hit, then every time a teammate hits the enemy, they'll also take a hit that does twice the damage of the first link. Dragon Cry is perfect for this as well; it makes sure that the user goes first and gets a massive attack boost, ensuring that damage is maximized.
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* GameBreaker:
** The Boost system in general. Hit crits and weaknesses, and the next turn, your spells and attacks have zero HP and SP cost. Look at all the skills below, and with the right setup you can spam them infinitely.
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills areGameBreaker: It is very effective in this game. Needless easy to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from. Not helping is the fact that many enemies appear to be weak to at least one of the two; not only does this increase its hit rate, it also gives you Boost, making the next attack cost no SP.
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
** Panic renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade. This means that multi-hit attacks whose sole balancing factor was their low accuracy are now overpowered, and when combined with buffs like Power Charge, can easily take out F.O.Es in one turn.
** Naoto is the best character to use from the get-go, with natural high speed, decent attack power, having both Hama and Mudo while not having weaknesses to either like Ken and Koromaru, and because of the boost system, Naoto can easily throw around Almighty spells.
** Impure Reach and Binding Hands increase the chance of inflicting ailments and binds respectively. Impure Reach can also improve the success rate of the Hama and Mudo skills mentioned above as well...
** Stagnant Air. Take everything mentioned above about status ailments and multiply the effectiveness with Stagnant Air which increases the turns that an enemy is affected by an ailment. Bosses normally canbreak out of an ailment in only a few turns but once you use Stagnant Air they can spend far longer under the effects of an ailment that might already be utterly debilitating.
** Decent sleep spells (like Lullaby Song) can easily stunlock enemies (seeing as though enemies can't do anything if you hit them out of a sleep state).
** Orpheus Telos' Healing Harp. While it does require [[BribingYourWayToVictory buying him as DLC]], it's usually worth keeping him around for this skill alone: it fully heals the party and removes all status ailments, more or less combining Fuuka's abilities in one handy Persona.game through various means.
**And lastly, the fact that all of the above can be combined into one The Boost system. If a character easily via Sub-Persona. Naoto's main balancer was that she had very high SP consumption and hits a more specialized than most move pool which can be completely overwritten by just giving her Crit or a Sub-Persona with high SP and whatever moves you want. And said moves can easily be an Ailment Circle (tries to inflict its ailment to the whole enemy side when it's cast and at the end of weakness, the next 3 turns, low turn, their skills have no HP or SP cost, just as long as they avoid getting hit.
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game, and as such, Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto are at least a little bit more useful than they were in their actual games. Many enemies are weak to at least one of the two, meaning a higher hit rate and activating Boost, freeing you of any HP or SP costmaking it spamable until it hits), Impure Reach which boosts the next turn. Naoto in particular is especially great with this with her high speed, decent attack power, having both her Hama/Mudo skills AND her ailment attacks, Stagnant Air to make that ailment 2-3 times more devastating, Hama and bring it home with a good multi hit move which by Mudo while not being weak to either one like the end of the game can go up to about 8 hits which almost guarantees a critical... which gives a boost which means a free Megidolaon. other two. And that says nothing about whatever you decide to do with the rest of your team during this time.
** And if you really want to be mean, use Death's Scythe to increase damage to enemies with an ailment on them. Talk about kicking them while they're down.Boost system, she can also cast her powerful Almighty skills without much worry.
**It's possible Status effects and Binds are the best ways of debilitating enemies, especially given that a lot of if not every boss is actually susceptible to combine Aigis' them. Poison's damage over time can be very powerful. Panic renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade, allowing multi-hit attacks (that normally just have a low accuracy drawback) to completely demolish them when combined with the right buffs. Strength Bind cripples physical attacks, Magic Bind prevents spells, and Agility Bind cuts the enemy's speed and evasion down. Impure Reach and Binding Hands further increase the chance of inflicting status or Binds, and the skill Stagnant Air increases the amount of turns that an enemy is affected by status or Binds. Bossing just comes down to whatever status or Bind you can inflict on them first before buffing up and going to town on them.
** Healing Harp, the exclusive skill to Orpheus Telos. While [[BribingYourWayToVictory Orpheus Telos is a DLC Persona]], that skill alone is worth using at any point in the game. It fully heals the party and removes all status effects and binds at the end of each turn for three turns. You cast it once and forget about it, and then your team will always be in great spirits at the end of each turn.
** The Sub-Persona system. The protagonists are not the only ones who can have multiple Personas now, as anyone can equip a sub-Persona to give them extra skills to use, to augment their HP and SP, and can be tooled to play to the character's strengths. Combine that with the Skill Card system, which allows a player to get almost every skill as a Skill Card and teach it to the characters main Personas, and the player can have a pretty versatile cast of characters to use.
** Aigis's OrgiaMode Mode. It is a temporary power boost, but Aigis goes into a cooldown period after a while. Combine that with Shura Tensei (massive attack Tensei, which is an even further power boost (but at the cost of lowered HP every each turn), Power Charge Healing Harp (offsetting the HP cost), and any full-party hitting physical attack like Aeon Rain to deal absurd amounts of damage, to other buff, and the point where she can 2-shot ''[[BonusBoss Bonus Bosses]]''. Add in Debilitate and Heat Riser for even more fun.
player has an unstoppable boss killer.
**Effective use of Link attacks. skills. Combine Golden Link + Quadruple Link (or Link, Infinite Link, use a Link for even more overkill) + hitting an that hits the enemy's weakness means that they'll take reasonable damage for weakness, and have two other characters in the first hit, then every time a teammate hits row activate Death Chaser and watch the enemy, they'll also take a sparks fly. Your linking character will hit that does twice the damage of enemy with a Link, and thanks to Death Chaser, another character will follow up with an attack, which will lead to your linking character hitting the first link. enemy with a Link again at heightened damage, and it just continues from there. Dragon Cry is perfect for this as well; it makes sure also works well with this, ensuring that the user goes first and also gets a massive great attack boost, ensuring that damage is maximized.boost. Junpei can put this combination to great effect thanks to his Golden Gemini skill, plus the Heroic Gemini skill, which has a chance of attacks working twice. Meaning if a boss wasn't already dead from the first Linking process, then it starts up again.
** The Boost system in general. Hit crits and weaknesses, and the next turn, your spells and attacks have zero HP and SP cost. Look at all the skills below, and with the right setup you can spam them infinitely.
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
** Panic renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade. This means that multi-hit attacks whose sole balancing factor was their low accuracy are now overpowered, and when combined with buffs like Power Charge, can easily take out F.O.Es in one turn.
** Naoto is the best character to use from the get-go, with natural high speed, decent attack power, having both Hama and Mudo while not having weaknesses to either like Ken and Koromaru, and because of the boost system, Naoto can easily throw around Almighty spells.
** Impure Reach and Binding Hands increase the chance of inflicting ailments and binds respectively. Impure Reach can also improve the success rate of the Hama and Mudo skills mentioned above as well...
** Stagnant Air. Take everything mentioned above about status ailments and multiply the effectiveness with Stagnant Air which increases the turns that an enemy is affected by an ailment. Bosses normally can
** Decent sleep spells (like Lullaby Song) can easily stunlock enemies (seeing as though enemies can't do anything if you hit them out of a sleep state).
** Orpheus Telos' Healing Harp. While it does require [[BribingYourWayToVictory buying him as DLC]], it's usually worth keeping him around for this skill alone: it fully heals the party and removes all status ailments, more or less combining Fuuka's abilities in one handy Persona.
**
** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game, and as such, Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto are at least a little bit more useful than they were in their actual games. Many enemies are weak to at least one of the two, meaning a higher hit rate and activating Boost, freeing you of any HP or SP cost
** And if you really want to be mean, use Death's Scythe to increase damage to enemies with an ailment on them. Talk about kicking them while they're down.
**
** Healing Harp, the exclusive skill to Orpheus Telos. While [[BribingYourWayToVictory Orpheus Telos is a DLC Persona]], that skill alone is worth using at any point in the game. It fully heals the party and removes all status effects and binds at the end of each turn for three turns. You cast it once and forget about it, and then your team will always be in great spirits at the end of each turn.
** The Sub-Persona system. The protagonists are not the only ones who can have multiple Personas now, as anyone can equip a sub-Persona to give them extra skills to use, to augment their HP and SP, and can be tooled to play to the character's strengths. Combine that with the Skill Card system, which allows a player to get almost every skill as a Skill Card and teach it to the characters main Personas, and the player can have a pretty versatile cast of characters to use.
** Aigis's Orgia
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* HarsherInHindsight:
** Literally everybody is happy, including Makoto, Mitsuru, Ken, and Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
** Everything that Ken says in the first half of his trailer, even if presented in a calmer manner.
** The characters discuss the possibility of the Inaba serial killer not being such a bad person. Not only is [[spoiler:that absolutely not the case]], [[spoiler:their second suspect, Namatame, was just trying to do the right thing, and the investigation team nearly kills him while incorrectly blaming him for things the actual killer did]].
** The protagonists' last farewell has them promise to see each other again some day. [[spoiler:One of them dying certainly put an end to that...]]
** If she ends up being the "Destined Partner" of Makoto in the Group Date Cafe, Yukari gets very flustered and confused, even going so far as to sheepishly admit that she doesn't mind being with him, though she'd want to date him before getting married. [[spoiler:The protagonist dies in the end, and Yukari's grief causes her to TookALevelInJerkass in FES, with the implications being that she was was doing so out of her feelings for him.]]
*** Most of the Destined Partner scenes with Makoto are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll never get married for real. Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose her most precious person and be subject to what happens in the Answer, and while Elizabeth's is more hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...]]
** For the game itself, Rei's line in the first dungeon: "Rabbits are our friends!" [[spoiler: Come the boss of the 4th dungeon...]]
*** In the third dungeon, Rei tries to reassure herself that ghosts aren't real. [[spoiler: Yeah, about [[DeadAllAlong that...]].]]
** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion, in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows that this is rendered moot]].
** Literally everybody is happy, including Makoto, Mitsuru, Ken, and Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
** Everything that Ken says in the first half of his trailer, even if presented in a calmer manner.
** The characters discuss the possibility of the Inaba serial killer not being such a bad person. Not only is [[spoiler:that absolutely not the case]], [[spoiler:their second suspect, Namatame, was just trying to do the right thing, and the investigation team nearly kills him while incorrectly blaming him for things the actual killer did]].
** The protagonists' last farewell has them promise to see each other again some day. [[spoiler:One of them dying certainly put an end to that...]]
** If she ends up being the "Destined Partner" of Makoto in the Group Date Cafe, Yukari gets very flustered and confused, even going so far as to sheepishly admit that she doesn't mind being with him, though she'd want to date him before getting married. [[spoiler:The protagonist dies in the end, and Yukari's grief causes her to TookALevelInJerkass in FES, with the implications being that she was was doing so out of her feelings for him.]]
*** Most of the Destined Partner scenes with Makoto are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll never get married for real. Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose her most precious person and be subject to what happens in the Answer, and while Elizabeth's is more hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...]]
** For the game itself, Rei's line in the first dungeon: "Rabbits are our friends!" [[spoiler: Come the boss of the 4th dungeon...]]
*** In the third dungeon, Rei tries to reassure herself that ghosts aren't real. [[spoiler: Yeah, about [[DeadAllAlong that...]].]]
** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion, in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows that this is rendered moot]].
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HarsherInHindsight: On account of this game's events being DoomedByCanon, given that its events are never referenced in either game, this leads to a lot of moments that are not too easy to take in, most particularly from the Persona 3 side.
**Literally everybody is Everyone seems happy, including Makoto, the Persona 3 protagonist, Mitsuru, Ken, and Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] That]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] doesn't]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] last]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] too]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
long.]]]]
**Everything that Kanji and Ken says in the first half of his trailer, even if presented in a calmer manner.
** The charactersdiscuss the possibility of the Inaba serial killer in Inaba not being such a bad person. Not [[spoiler:Not only is [[spoiler:that that absolutely not ''not'' the case]], [[spoiler:their case, their second suspect, Namatame, was just trying to do the right thing, and the investigation team Investigation Team nearly kills him while incorrectly blaming him for things that the actual killer did]].
** The protagonists' last farewellmurderer has them promise to see each other again some day. [[spoiler:One of them dying certainly put an end to that...done.]]
**If she ends up being Both protagonists bid farewell to each other at the "Destined Partner" end of Makoto in the Group Date Cafe, Yukari gets very flustered and confused, even going so far as game, promising to sheepishly admit that she doesn't mind being with him, though she'd want to date him before getting married. see each other again some day. [[spoiler:The protagonist dies in the end, and Yukari's grief causes her to TookALevelInJerkass in FES, with the implications being Persona 3 protagonist's demise ensures that she was was doing so out of her feelings for him.this meeting will not happen.]]
*** Most ** The "Destined Partner" segment of the Destined Partner scenes Group Date Cafe is just rife with Makoto are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll [[spoiler:when it comes to the Persona 3 protagonist. He is fated to die and will never get married end up married. Yukari [[TookALevelInJerkass becomes more abrasive]] in The Answer and it's implied that it was done out of feelings for real. him, Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose loses her most precious person and be is subject to what happens in the The Answer, and while Elizabeth's Elizabeth still continues to find a way to bring the protagonist back somehow]].
** In the Persona 3 route, in the last dungeon, Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. But with this game's events being forgotten, players of Persona 3 will know that this [[ForegoneConclusion ismore hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...rendered moot]].]]
**For the When it comes to this game itself, you have Rei's line in the first dungeon: dungeon. "Rabbits are our friends!" [[spoiler: Come [[spoiler:Which takes a darker turn considering the boss of the 4th dungeon...]]
***fourth dungeon]].
** In the third dungeon, Rei tries to reassure herself that ghosts aren't real.[[spoiler: Yeah, about [[DeadAllAlong that...]].]]
** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion,[[spoiler:She herself is dead, and is in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows denial that this is rendered moot]].she is. She's very much a ghost herself.]]
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** In the third dungeon, Rei tries to reassure herself that ghosts aren't real.
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** The Investigation Team all strike [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure Jojo poses]] when being introduced on the Persona 3 side. The plot of Persona 4 itself has at least enough similarities to [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable Part 4]] of the series, given that it is also about a murder mystery in a small Japanese town and a lot of characters fight alongside beings that are the manifestation of psychological strength, ie like a Persona.
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** At the beginning of the P4 route, Margaret tells the group that she'll charge them to use the nurse's office, and Kanji complains that she doesn't even have "the sense of your average housewife". Kanji and Margaret's voice actors, Creator/MatthewMercer and Marisha Ray, are now engaged.
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* BestLevelEver: The Group Date Cafe Labyrinth, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips due to the excessive shipping the Heroes can get into with just about anyone]]. It has some drawbacks with the kinds of mechanics and [=FOEs=] used, however, but it's definitely worth navigating through just to find your "destined partner", all ending with [[LargeHame the hammiest preacher]] you'll ever see, complete with a fairly interesting fight gimmick. The best part? [[HereWeGoAgain You can redo the scenario again.]]
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* BestLevelEver: The Group Date Cafe Labyrinth, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips due to the excessive shipping the Heroes can get into with just about anyone]]. It has some drawbacks with the kinds of mechanics and [=FOEs=] used, however, but it's definitely worth navigating through just to find your "destined partner", all ending with [[LargeHame [[LargeHam the hammiest preacher]] you'll ever see, complete with a fairly interesting fight gimmick. The best part? [[HereWeGoAgain You can redo the scenario again.]]
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** The second boss normally tries to limit your actions... however, taking poison damage is never considered to be breaking a vow. With how good the rates of poisoning an enemy are, the boss is made into a joke.
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** Certain returning characters (Namely Akihiko, Chie, Junpei, Yukari, and Teddie) are quite the topic for fans to debate over. Some fans think they are hit with horrible {{Flanderization}}, while others argue that it makes sense since all of these quirks occurred before they had their CharacterDevelopment.
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** Certain returning characters (Namely Akihiko, Chie, Junpei, Yukari, and Teddie) are quite the topic for fans to debate over. Some fans think they are hit with horrible {{Flanderization}}, while others argue that it makes sense since all of these quirks occurred before they had their CharacterDevelopment.CharacterDevelopment, and the game takes place before [[WhamEpisode the events that have the greatest impact on the plot, as well as on them]].
* CounterpartComparison: The game's setting is quite similar to ''Anime/AngelBeats''. It's a high school setting populated by characters who have basic programming as to how to interact with the real people, and malevolent creatures known as Shadows. Rei also has some similarities with Yui, since [[spoiler:both were young girls who died after leading short and unfulfilling lives, severely impaired by their conditions, and eventually pass on with the help of the guy they like (Zen and Hinata, respectively)]].
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** The Turret enemies in the final dungeon are brutal, as they use both powerful magical and physical attacks, meaning one type of Bind won't neuturalise them. Their physical attack, Charge Shot, is incredibly strong, being classed as a "severe" attack (i.e. the kind usually reserved for end-game physical Personas) and piercing to the back row, likely hitting your vulnerable healers. All this wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have a ''very high'' chance of attacking twice per turn. And showing up in groups of two. Four Charge Shots can very easily be a TotalPartyKill.
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** The Turret enemies in the final dungeon are brutal, as they use both powerful magical and physical attacks, meaning one type of Bind won't neuturalise neutralise them. Their physical attack, Charge Shot, is incredibly strong, being classed as a "severe" attack (i.e. the kind usually reserved for end-game physical Personas) and piercing to the back row, likely hitting your vulnerable healers. All this wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have a ''very high'' chance of attacking twice per turn. And showing up in groups of two. Four Charge Shots can very easily be a TotalPartyKill.
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** The characters discuss the possibility of the Inaba serial killer not being such a bad person. Not only is [[spoiler:that absolutely not the case]], [[spoiler:their second suspect, Namatame, was just trying to do the right thing, and the investigation team is on the verge of killing him]].
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** The characters discuss the possibility of the Inaba serial killer not being such a bad person. Not only is [[spoiler:that absolutely not the case]], [[spoiler:their second suspect, Namatame, was just trying to do the right thing, and the investigation team is on nearly kills him while incorrectly blaming him for things the verge of killing him]].actual killer did]].
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** For people who like to fuse as many personas as possible (both to make sure that their Persona stock are high level, and to add more variety to better complete the compedium), the fact that multiple characters use compedium personas (and that the game's balanced with everyone using one in mind) can be annoying.
* {{Squick}}: In the "Trade Showdown" between Zen and Teddie, the latter offers Rei a large tuft of cotton candy. [[spoiler:Except it's not cotton candy, he actually made it from his own bear suit's ''fur''.]]
* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreakingCharacter status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret.
* {{Squick}}: In the "Trade Showdown" between Zen and Teddie, the latter offers Rei a large tuft of cotton candy. [[spoiler:Except it's not cotton candy, he actually made it from his own bear suit's ''fur''.]]
* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreakingCharacter status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret.
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** For people who like to fuse as many personas as possible (both to make sure that their Persona stock are high level, and to add more variety to better complete the compedium), compendium), the fact that multiple characters use compedium personas (and that the game's balanced with everyone using one in mind) can be annoying.
* {{Squick}}: In the "Trade Showdown" between Zen and Teddie, the latter offers Rei a large tuft of cottoncandy. candy, which she proceeds to eat. [[spoiler:Except it's not cotton candy, he actually made it from his own bear suit's ''fur''.''fur'' rather than bother trading with anyone.]]
* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreakingCharacter status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret. In the "categories game," the loser is forced to read one of her poems as a punishment.
* {{Squick}}: In the "Trade Showdown" between Zen and Teddie, the latter offers Rei a large tuft of cotton
* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreakingCharacter status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret. In the "categories game," the loser is forced to read one of her poems as a punishment.
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* {{Squick}}: In the "Trade Showdown" between Zen and Teddie, the latter offers Rei a large tuft of cotton candy. [[spoiler:Except it's not cotton candy, he actually made it from his own bear suit's ''fur''.]]
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGQrZy6lgEM "The Person is Then Called Away From War"]] is used for the final bonus battle against Elizabeth, which is only available by completing all of the extra requests on a New Game Plus. It has a very Etrian Odyssey feel, which is helped by the fact that the very composer of said game created this piece.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrsRmoqg9s "Friends"]]. It fits quite well with its accompanying boss.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrsRmoqg9s "Friends"]]. It fits quite well with its accompanying boss.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGQrZy6lgEM "The Person is Then Called Away From War"]] is used for the final bonus battle against Elizabeth, [[spoiler: Zeus!]]Elizabeth, which is only available by completing all of the extra requests on a New Game Plus. It has a very Etrian Odyssey feel, which is helped by the fact that the very composer of said game created this piece.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrsRmoqg9s "Friends"]]. It fits quite well with its accompanying boss. Don't let the title fool you, it's hard rock that [[PlayerPunch punches you right in the heart]].
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrsRmoqg9s "Friends"]]. It fits quite well with its accompanying boss. Don't let the title fool you, it's hard rock that [[PlayerPunch punches you right in the heart]].
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* BestLevelEver: The Group Date Cafe Labyrinth, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips due to the excessive shipping the Heroes can get into with just about anyone]]. It has some drawbacks with the kinds of mechanics and [=FOEs=] used, however, but it's definitely worth navigating through just to find your "destined partner". The best part? [[HereWeGoAgain You can redo the scenario again.]]
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* BestLevelEver: The Group Date Cafe Labyrinth, [[LauncherOfAThousandShips due to the excessive shipping the Heroes can get into with just about anyone]]. It has some drawbacks with the kinds of mechanics and [=FOEs=] used, however, but it's definitely worth navigating through just to find your "destined partner".partner", all ending with [[LargeHame the hammiest preacher]] you'll ever see, complete with a fairly interesting fight gimmick. The best part? [[HereWeGoAgain You can redo the scenario again.]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Merciful Clergyman is easily the most popular Guardian among the fans despite his small role. Probably has something to do with his hilariously LargeHam dialogue.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Merciful Clergyman is easily the most popular Guardian among the fans despite his small role. Probably has something to do with his hilariously LargeHam dialogue.dialogue, plus the fact that he comes right at the end of [[BestLevelEver the Group Cafe]]. Helps that people like to do it over and over again to [[LauncherOfAThousandShips pair up with everybody]].
** The Boost system in general. Hit crits and weaknesses, and the next turn, your spells and attacks have zero HP and SP cost. Look at all the skills below, and with the right setup you can spam them infinitely.
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%%* MemeticMutation: Even in my ''Persona'' games, F.O.E.!
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* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreaker status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Possibly as a response to her BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter status, in this game Marie is teased and dismissed by Elizabeth and Margaret.
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** Being the first ''Persona'' game to not see a release on a PlayStation console. Branching out into a favorable new direction, or abandoning the consoles that brought them success in the first place?
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** Being the first ''Persona'' game to not see a release on a PlayStation UsefulNotes/PlayStation console. Branching out into a favorable new direction, or abandoning the consoles that brought them success in the first place?
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** Yosuke gets a small part in this during a late-game Stroll on the 4 side. He walks in on the girls explaining to Fuuka and Yukari he's a little TOO nice by putting everyone's needs and problems before himself and consistently call him an idiot for doing so. That's all he hears, none of the compliments about his niceness, and walks off crying while the Protagonist just stands there and watches.
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** Anything with Bestial Roar, by extention. This causes the enemy to always attack first, which means ''before Boost''. If they hit a Boosted character, they lose their Boost status before they're able to take advantage of it, meaning they're forced to use whatever skill they selected that turn and pay the full HP or SP cost. Given that you likely chose a high-cost skill to take advantage of it being free, this can be extremely annoying. The only way to get around this is through Dekaja, and enemies start using these skills before that is readily available in either skill or item form.
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** Anything with Bestial Roar, by extention. This causes the enemy to always attack first, which means ''before Boost''. If they hit a Boosted character, they lose their Boost status before they're able to take advantage of it, meaning they're forced to use whatever skill they selected that turn and pay the full HP or SP cost. Given that you likely chose a high-cost skill to take advantage of it being free, this can be extremely annoying. The only way to get around this is through Dekaja, and enemies start using these skills before that is readily available in either skill or item form. At the very least, Kanji starts out with it, and it can be passed on, hopefully to slower party members such as Shinjiro and the aforementioned Kanji.
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** Orpheus Telos' Healing Harp. While it does require [[BribingYourWayToVictory buying him as DLC]], it's usually worth keeping him around for this skill alone: it fully heals the party and removes all status ailments, more or less combining Fuuka's abilities in one handy Persona.
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** Rei. While she is praised for her story, her constantly rambling about food gets grating for many players [[spoiler: until they learn the reason why she eats so much.]]
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** Rei. While she is praised for her story, her constantly rambling about food gets grating gratingly annoying for many players [[spoiler: until they learn the reason why she eats so much.]]
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** Literally everybody is happy, including the ''P3'' Hero, Mitsuru, Ken, and Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
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** Literally everybody is happy, including the ''P3'' Hero, Makoto, Mitsuru, Ken, and Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
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** If she ends up being the "Destined Partner" of the P3 protagonist in the Group Date Cafe, Yukari gets very flustered and confused, even going so far as to sheepishly admit that she doesn't mind being with him, though she'd want to date him before getting married. [[spoiler:The protagonist dies in the end, and Yukari's grief causes her to TookALevelInJerkass in FES, with the implications being that she was was doing so out of her feelings for him.]]
*** Most of the Destined Partner scenes with the P3 Protagonist are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll never get married for real. Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose her most precious person and be subject to what happens in the Answer, and while Elizabeth's is more hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...]]
*** Most of the Destined Partner scenes with the P3 Protagonist are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll never get married for real. Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose her most precious person and be subject to what happens in the Answer, and while Elizabeth's is more hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...]]
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** If she ends up being the "Destined Partner" of the P3 protagonist Makoto in the Group Date Cafe, Yukari gets very flustered and confused, even going so far as to sheepishly admit that she doesn't mind being with him, though she'd want to date him before getting married. [[spoiler:The protagonist dies in the end, and Yukari's grief causes her to TookALevelInJerkass in FES, with the implications being that she was was doing so out of her feelings for him.]]
*** Most of the Destined Partner scenes withthe P3 Protagonist Makoto are this [[spoiler: because him dying means he'll never get married for real. Aigis and Elizabeth's are especially painful in hindsight because Aigis will lose her most precious person and be subject to what happens in the Answer, and while Elizabeth's is more hilarious she has one mention of how it feels if she lets go of his hand, he'll...]]
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is the ''P3'' Hero's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is the ''P3'' Hero's Makoto's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* {{Moe}}: Pretty much everybody.
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* TierInducedScrappy: Due to SP being difficult to heal, magic-heavy Persona users will be mostly phased out in favor of physical specialists further into the game. The only magic that remains practicality are the instant-kill Dark and Light spells and status effects. As both are affected by Luck, magic-heavy Persona users with a high Luck score, like Ken, Naoto, and the P3MC, can retain their usability with a Sub-Persona that can cast either Light or Dark Magic or status effects. Although Yukari has multiple healing skills, her low Agility makes her a poor healer. Her Luck is also among the lowest in the party, which makes it difficult to salvage her other stats; Mitsuru is affected similarly, though despite having good Luck and a phenomenal skill in Tentarafoo, she has the misfortune of being somewhat slow, and having a borderline-useless unique move (Punishment, which relies on her low physical power, and requires binds that the move ''removes.'').
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* TierInducedScrappy: Due to SP being difficult to heal, magic-heavy Persona users will be mostly phased out in favor of physical specialists further into the game. The only magic that remains practicality are the instant-kill Dark and Light spells and status effects. As both are affected by Luck, magic-heavy Persona users with a high Luck score, like Ken, Naoto, and the P3MC, Makoto, can retain their usability with a Sub-Persona that can cast either Light or Dark Magic or status effects. Although Yukari has multiple healing skills, her low Agility makes her a poor healer. Her Luck is also among the lowest in the party, which makes it difficult to salvage her other stats; Mitsuru is affected similarly, though despite having good Luck and a phenomenal skill in Tentarafoo, she has the misfortune of being somewhat slow, and having a borderline-useless unique move (Punishment, which relies on her low physical power, and requires binds that the move ''removes.'').
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** If your party members are afflicted with a status ailment or low on HP or SP, you will be reminded of it very frequently, in battle and out of it. It's doubly annoying in battle, as your navigator will say something like "So-and-so's been afflicted!" which is immediately followed by someone in your party remarking about their condition.
** Outside of battle, party members will always remark on the presence of a FOE, Power Spot, event, etc... even when it's in plain sight.
** If your party members are afflicted with a status ailment or low on HP or SP, you will be reminded of it very frequently, in battle and out of it. It's doubly annoying in battle, as your navigator will say something like "So-and-so's been afflicted!" which is immediately followed by someone in your party remarking about their condition.
** Outside of battle, party members will always remark on the presence of a FOE, Power Spot, event, etc... even when it's in plain sight.
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** Fuuka as well. From a gameplay standpoint, she now learns a lot of genuinely useful healing support skills, as opposed to one healing skill [[PowerUpLetdown that had a chance of backfiring and taking your]] HPToOne. Character-wise, she has a far less annoying voice and her StopHelpingMe and CaptainObvious tendencies have been toned down significantly.
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** Fuuka as well. From a gameplay standpoint, she now learns a lot of genuinely useful healing support skills, as opposed to one healing skill [[PowerUpLetdown that had a chance of backfiring and taking your]] HPToOne. Character-wise, she has a far less annoying voice and her StopHelpingMe AnnoyingVideoGameHelper tendencies and CaptainObvious tendencies have been toned down significantly.
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** Outside of battle, party members will always remark on the presence of a FOE, Power Spot, event, etc... even when it's in plain sight.
** If your party members are afflicted with a status ailment or low on HP or SP, you will be reminded of it very frequently, in battle and out of it. It's doubly annoying in battle, as your navigator will say something like "So-and-so's been afflicted!" which is immediately followed by someone in your party remarking about their condition.
** Outside of battle, party members will always remark on the presence of a FOE, Power Spot, event, etc... even when it's in plain sight.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: The puzzle on the last floor of the Evil Spirits Club dungeon in the original Japanese release was actually a puzzle based on the way Japanese katakana is written. Knowing how much the solution would probably be lost on the English-speaking players, the translators had to make up a completely new puzzle in its place, so what resulted was a math puzzle.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: The puzzle on the last floor of the Evil Spirits Club dungeon in the original Japanese release was actually a puzzle based on the way Japanese katakana is written. Knowing how much the solution would probably be lost on the English-speaking players, the translators had to make up a completely new puzzle in its place, so what resulted was a math puzzle.
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** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion, in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows that this is rendered moot]] [[spoiler: Arguably averted as Ken never did manage to bring himself to kill Shinjiro, before Revolver Jesus did it for him, and one could contend that the changes in his heart during PQ, as evident in both endings, contributed to his doubt]].moot]].
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Ken never did kill Shinji...
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** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion, in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows that this is rendered moot]].
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** Mixed with ForegoneConclusion, in the P3 route in the last dungeon Ken reconsiders [[spoiler: getting revenge on Shinjiro. With the events of the game being forgotten, players of P3 knows that this is rendered moot]].moot]] [[spoiler: Arguably averted as Ken never did manage to bring himself to kill Shinjiro, before Revolver Jesus did it for him, and one could contend that the changes in his heart during PQ, as evident in both endings, contributed to his doubt]].
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** [[spoiler:A two-on-one boss fight against [[AlmightyJanitor Margaret]] with only the main characters in your team]] should be quite hard and exciting, right? Well, some poison and binds ensure that she dies after about half a dozen turns without any opportunity to hurt them.
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** [[spoiler:A two-on-one boss fight against [[AlmightyJanitor Margaret]] with only the main characters in your team]] should be quite hard and exciting, right? Well, some poison and binds ensure that she dies after about half a dozen turns without any opportunity to hurt them. Justified, as she was being WillfullyWeak.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the stoic Zen, Aigis isn't smiling when she sees Teddie [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXn3TLAw7Ekt=2m20s in the intro]] is because she has not gone through her character development yet since the ''P3'' cast came from well before November, [[spoiler: before gaining her memories of why she was attached to Makoto in the first place. And also losing her robotic characteristics due to being broken by Ryoji.]]
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* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the stoic Zen, Aigis isn't smiling when she sees Teddie [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXn3TLAw7Ekt=2m20s in the intro]] is because she has not gone through her character development yet since the ''P3'' cast came from well before November, [[spoiler: before gaining her memories of why she was attached to Makoto the ''P3'' Hero in the first place. And also losing her robotic characteristics due to being broken by Ryoji.]]
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is Makoto's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* InternetBackdraft: Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is Makoto's the ''P3'' Hero's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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* EarWorm: The battle music "Light up the Fire in the Night", both the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=454IG6mfiK8 Persona 3 version]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNoqBPlOvZg Persona 4 version]].
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* EarWorm: The battle music "Light up the Fire in the Night", both the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=454IG6mfiK8 com/watch?v=zJM_DPqV50c Persona 3 version]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNoqBPlOvZg com/watch?v=GKgyGADjqDc Persona 4 version]].
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** A two-on-one boss fight against [[AlmightyJanitor Margaret]] with only the main characters in your team should be quite hard and exciting, right? Well, some poison and binds ensure that she dies after about half a dozen turns without any opportunity to hurt them.
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** A [[spoiler:A two-on-one boss fight against [[AlmightyJanitor Margaret]] with only the main characters in your team team]] should be quite hard and exciting, right? Well, some poison and binds ensure that she dies after about half a dozen turns without any opportunity to hurt them.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCGJ-7nhpiE "The Person is Then Called Away From War"]] is used for the final bonus battle against Elizabeth, which is only available by completing all of the extra requests on a New Game Plus. It has a very Etrian Odyssey feel, which is helped by the fact that the very composer of said game created this piece.
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** [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCGJ-7nhpiE com/watch?v=bGQrZy6lgEM "The Person is Then Called Away From War"]] is used for the final bonus battle against Elizabeth, which is only available by completing all of the extra requests on a New Game Plus. It has a very Etrian Odyssey feel, which is helped by the fact that the very composer of said game created this piece.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCGJ-7nhpiE "The Person is Then Called Away From War"]] is used for the final bonus battle against Elizabeth, which is only available by completing all of the extra requests on a New Game Plus. It has a very Etrian Odyssey feel, which is helped by the fact that the very composer of said game created this piece.
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** Don't forget [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geyT30wHHno "Changing Me"]], the ending theme for the game.
