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* EthnicScrappy:
** The film has one scene where the tribe trots out their fiercest warrior, who is indeed an Asian man presented as a voiceless, savage fighter. He also takes orders from Tiger Lily, who has been [[RaceLift race lifted]] to become white.
** Earlier in the film, Peter's orphanage is run by a ferociously stereotypical Irish nun, who is fat, greedy, and cartoonishly child-hating.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hook is despised by some people who found him an unlikable Film/IndianaJones wannabe. Others found the HamAndCheese performance one of the better things about the film.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hook is despised by some people who found him an unlikable Film/IndianaJones Franchise/IndianaJones wannabe. Others found the HamAndCheese performance one of the better things about the film.

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* QuestionableCasting:
** Creator/RooneyMara as Tiger Lily. The character has always been a Native American, even in the PJ Hogan [[Film/PeterPan film]]. So casting a white actress got all sorts of criticism. Some have theorised that the stereotypical nature of the character may have played a part in making her white, but it opened up [[MonochromeCasting a new can of worms]].
** Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarrettHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - and an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.



* WTHCastingAgency:
** Creator/RooneyMara as Tiger Lily. The character has always been a Native American, even in the PJ Hogan [[Film/PeterPan film]]. So casting a white actress got all sorts of criticism. Some have theorised that the stereotypical nature of the character may have played a part in making her white - hoping to avoid the UnfortunateImplications - but it opened up [[MonochromeCasting a new can of worms]].
** Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarrettHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - and an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.
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* AcceptableTargets: Irish nuns, given that the orphanage is run by an ugly ChildHater who willingly sacrifices the orphans to Neverland pirates.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Tiger Lily's RaceLift was [[http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/11/26/rooney-maras-tiger-lily-could-not-be-less-native-thats-problem-158028 roundly]] [[http://www.ew.com/article/2014/03/13/rooney-mara-tiger-lily-controversy criticized]] for discriminating against Native American actors, similar to ''Film/TheLoneRanger'' and ''Film/ExodusGodsAndKings'', not helped by the fact that the character herself has traditionally been seen as very stereotypical. Rounding off the implications is that the tribe is made up of a mix of races and nationalities - and that the only one to play a role in the story is white.
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** The WW2 angle seems to be pointless aside from an chase sequence between the Ranger and a squadron of Spitfires. One of the pilots could have ended up in Neverland, and in fact be Hook.

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** The WW2 [=WW2=] angle seems to be pointless aside from an the early chase sequence between the Ranger and a squadron of Spitfires. One of the pilots could have ended up in Neverland, and in fact be been James Hook.
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** The WW2 angle seems to be pointless aside from an chase sequence between the Ranger and a squadron of Spitfires. One of the pilots could have ended up in Neverland, and in fact be Hook.

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* ClicheStorm: There's the fact that Peter is the {{Chosen One}} and he refuses to believe that he is, the amulet he had since his birth is the key that unlocks a hidden world, his mother was a powerful warrior who fell in love with a prince of that world. The heroine who helps Peter knew his mother and trained with her. His first friend in Neverland, just happens to be the one man who could and would help him escape and find his mother.

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* ClicheStorm: There's the fact that Peter is the {{Chosen One}} TheChosenOne and he refuses to believe that he is, the amulet he had since his birth is the key that unlocks a hidden world, his mother was a powerful warrior who fell in love with a prince of that world. The heroine who helps Peter knew his mother and trained with her. His first friend in Neverland, just happens to be the one man who could and would help him escape and find his mother.



* FauxSymbolism: There's actually quite a lot of religious symbolism in the movie. Heck, even Peter's mom is named Mary!



** In the second trailer, Peter looks with wonder at Neverland and asks if it's {{UsefulNotes/Canada}}.
** Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily...only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] to the next scene.

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** In the second trailer, Peter looks with wonder at Neverland and asks if it's {{UsefulNotes/Canada}}.
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** Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily...only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] {{Smash Cut}}s to the next scene.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: While its appearance in the film is very brief, many shots of the crocodile are very unconvincing, and at one point its crocodilian features seem to morph into alligator features.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: SpecialEffectFailure: While its appearance in the film is very brief, many shots of the crocodile are very unconvincing, and at one point its crocodilian features seem to morph into alligator features.



*** Although, given Book!Peter's penchant to make things up when questioned, i.e. telling Wendy that Neverland is 'Second to the right, and straight on til morning', it's entirely possible that he has a different backstory. Especially considering that Peter states that he ran away as a newborn baby.
** Captain Hook gets a YoungerAndHipper approach, not to mention becoming an American cowboy.
** Tiger Lily also becomes a sexy adult warrior (not to mention the RaceLift).

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*** Although, given Book!Peter's penchant to make things up when questioned, i.e. e.g. telling Wendy that Neverland is 'Second "Second to the right, and straight on til morning', morning", it's entirely possible that he has a different backstory. Especially considering that Peter states that he ran away as a newborn baby.
** Captain Hook gets a YoungerAndHipper approach, not to mention becoming approach and becomes an American cowboy.
** Tiger Lily also becomes a sexy adult warrior (not to mention the RaceLift).who goes through a RaceLift.



** Additionally the play took place in the Edwardian Era, whereas the film has Peter's origin story happening in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. This didn't go down well with diehard fans.

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** Additionally the The play took place in the Edwardian Era, whereas the film has Peter's origin story happening in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. This didn't go down well with diehard fans.



** Fans of Amanda Seyfried feel she was horribly wasted, only appearing in two short scenes and could have added even more to the story.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Most viewers tend to agree that if the film was [[TruerToTheText a more straightforward adaptation]] where Creator/HughJackmanJackman was playing Captain Hook himself, it likely would have been more enjoyable and more interesting than the cookie-cutter "Chosen One" plot.
** Adding on to above, even more people believed that it would've been better if Peter's ''mother'' had been a Fairy Queen and Captain Hook had both been his father and the one to kill his mother; it would've added deeper substance to the story, as well add an interesting sense of cruel irony when Hook and Peter became enemies.

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** Fans of Amanda Seyfried Creator/AmandaSeyfried feel she was horribly wasted, only appearing in two short scenes and could have added even more to the story.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Most viewers tend to agree that if the film was [[TruerToTheText a more straightforward adaptation]] where Creator/HughJackmanJackman Creator/HughJackman was playing Captain Hook himself, it likely would have been more enjoyable and more interesting than the cookie-cutter "Chosen One" plot.
** Adding on to above, even more Many people believed that it would've been better if Peter's ''mother'' had been a Fairy Queen and Captain Hook had both been his father and the one to kill his mother; it would've added deeper substance to the story, as well as add an interesting sense of cruel irony when Hook and Peter became enemies.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: There's actually quite a lot of religious symbolism in the movie. Heck, even Peter's mom is named Mary!



** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarrettHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.

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** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarrettHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention and an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.
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* EstrogenBrigade: Given that Hook is played by Creator/GarretHedlund and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys other possible reasons]]. Funnily enough the same thing happened to the character when he was used in ''Series/OnceUponATime''.

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* EstrogenBrigade: Given that Hook is played by Creator/GarretHedlund Creator/GarrettHedlund and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys other possible reasons]]. Funnily enough the same thing happened to the character when he was used in ''Series/OnceUponATime''.



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Unlike Creator/HughJackman and Creator/GarretHedlund's HamAndCheese, Levi Miller and Creator/RooneyMara seem to be attempting to pretend the film is anything other than a SoOkayItsAverage ClicheStorm.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Unlike Creator/HughJackman and Creator/GarretHedlund's Creator/GarrettHedlund's HamAndCheese, Levi Miller and Creator/RooneyMara seem to be attempting to pretend the film is anything other than a SoOkayItsAverage ClicheStorm.



** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarretHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.

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** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Creator/GarretHedlund Creator/GarrettHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hook is despised by some people who found him an unlikable Indiana Jones wannabe. Others found the HamAndCheese performance one of the better things about the film.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Hook is despised by some people who found him an unlikable Indiana Jones Film/IndianaJones wannabe. Others found the HamAndCheese performance one of the better things about the film.



* EstrogenBrigade: Given that Hook is played by Garret Hedlund and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys other possible reasons]]. Funnily enough the same thing happened to the character when he was used in ''Series/OnceUponATime''.

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* EstrogenBrigade: Given that Hook is played by Garret Hedlund Creator/GarretHedlund and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys other possible reasons]]. Funnily enough the same thing happened to the character when he was used in ''Series/OnceUponATime''.



** Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily....only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] to the next scene.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: This movie was a box office hit in Japan and topped the box office for two weeks there, thanks to the story of ''Peter Pan'' being extremely popular in that country.
* HamAndCheese: Even negative reviews have observed Hugh Jackman is having the time of his life as Blackbeard. Also noted in reviews is Garrett Hedlund's interpretation of Hook, complete with his bizarre voice and facial expressions.

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** Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily....Lily...only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] to the next scene.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: This movie was a box office hit in Japan and topped the box office for two weeks there, thanks to the story of ''Peter Pan'' ''Literature/PeterPan'' being extremely popular in that country.
* HamAndCheese: Even negative reviews have observed Hugh Jackman Creator/HughJackman is having the time of his life as Blackbeard. Also noted in reviews is Garrett Hedlund's Creator/GarrettHedlund's interpretation of Hook, complete with his bizarre voice and facial expressions.



* HilariousInHindsight: Both the Mara sisters star in 2015 blockbusters where they play the white daughters of fathers who are clearly a different ethnicity. Rooney Mara as Tiger Lily in this, and Kate Mara as Sue Storm in ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. It's HarsherInHindsight that both these films were notorious bombs.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Both the Mara sisters star in 2015 blockbusters where they play the white daughters of fathers who are clearly a different ethnicity. Rooney Mara Creator/RooneyMara as Tiger Lily in this, and Kate Mara Creator/KateMara as Sue Storm in ''Film/FantasticFour2015''. It's HarsherInHindsight that both these films were notorious bombs.



* OneSceneWonder: The mermaids, as per ''Peter Pan'' tradition. They have only a couple of minutes of screen time but have interesting designs and are given AdaptationalHeroism in comparison to their darker portrayals in other versions.

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* OneSceneWonder: The mermaids, as per ''Peter Pan'' ''Literature/PeterPan'' tradition. They have only a couple of minutes of screen time but have interesting designs and are given AdaptationalHeroism in comparison to their darker portrayals in other versions.



** Additionally the play took place in the Edwardian Era, whereas the film has Peter's origin story happening in World War II. This didn't go down well with diehard fans.

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** Additionally the play took place in the Edwardian Era, whereas the film has Peter's origin story happening in World War II.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. This didn't go down well with diehard fans.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Most viewers tend to agree that if the film was [[TruerToTheText a more straightforward adaptation]] where [[Creator/HughJackman Hugh]] [[LargeHam Jackman]] was playing Captain Hook himself, it likely would have been more enjoyable and more interesting than the cookie-cutter "Chosen One" plot.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Most viewers tend to agree that if the film was [[TruerToTheText a more straightforward adaptation]] where [[Creator/HughJackman Hugh]] [[LargeHam Jackman]] Creator/HughJackmanJackman was playing Captain Hook himself, it likely would have been more enjoyable and more interesting than the cookie-cutter "Chosen One" plot.



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Unlike Hugh Jackman and Garret Hedlund's HamAndCheese, Levi Miller and Rooney Mara seem to be attempting to pretend the film is anything other than a SoOkayItsAverage ClicheStorm.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Unlike Hugh Jackman Creator/HughJackman and Garret Hedlund's Creator/GarretHedlund's HamAndCheese, Levi Miller and Rooney Mara Creator/RooneyMara seem to be attempting to pretend the film is anything other than a SoOkayItsAverage ClicheStorm.



** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Garret Hedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.
* WhatTheHellIsThatAccent: Garret Hedlund's Jack-Nicholson-by-way-of-Harrison-Ford voice as Hook was compared by several critics to a British actor putting on a bad American accent, even though Hedlund is himself American.

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** Likewise Captain Hook has always been a 17th century British man. The decision to cast Garret Hedlund Creator/GarretHedlund and make Hook YoungerAndHipper - not to mention an American cowboy - is again very odd. It's especially jarring as Creator/HughJackman's portrayal of Blackbeard is much closer to the media's typical portrayal of Captain Hook, yet for some reason he isn't playing Hook.
* WhatTheHellIsThatAccent: Garret Hedlund's Jack-Nicholson-by-way-of-Harrison-Ford voice as Hook was compared by several critics to a British actor putting on a bad American accent, even though Hedlund is himself American.
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* In the second trailer, Peter looks with wonder at Neverland and asks if it's {{UsefulNotes/Canada}}.
* Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily....only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] to the next scene.

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* ** In the second trailer, Peter looks with wonder at Neverland and asks if it's {{UsefulNotes/Canada}}.
* ** Hook attempting to present Peter to Tiger Lily....only to get knocked out midsentence as it [[SmashCut Smash Cuts]] to the next scene.

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