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* TearJerker: It's hard not to feel some sympathy for 8-Ball, a ''ComicBook/{{Sleepwalker}}'' rogue, for having lost his legitimate job because of his gambling addiction, his criminal career making him a SuperLoser [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu4Ny-cPojG/?img_index=1 and his determination not to be the guy everyone thought he was.]]

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* TearJerker: It's hard not to feel some sympathy for 8-Ball, a ''ComicBook/{{Sleepwalker}}'' rogue, for having lost his legitimate job because of his gambling addiction, his criminal career making him a SuperLoser [https://www.[[https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu4Ny-cPojG/?img_index=1 and his determination not to be the guy everyone thought he was.]]
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* TearJerker: It's hard not to feel some sympathy for 8-Ball, a ''ComicBook/{{Sleepwalker}}'' rogue, for having lost his legitimate job because of his gambling addiction, his criminal career making him a SuperLoser [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu4Ny-cPojG/?img_index=1 and his determination not to be the guy everyone thought he was.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Issues #2-3: [[PsychoForHire Leonard Hawley]] is a man with [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic powers]] who loves to "raise hell" simply [[ForTheEvulz for the fun of it]], and hires himself out to villains so he can use his powers to hurt others in imaginative ways. Paid by Zodiac to torment Moon Knight, Hawley takes control of an entire old folks' home and uses the occupants to attack many people through the city. When Moon Knight investigates, Hawley plans to force Moon Knight to fight for his life through the dozens of seniors, knowing Moon Knight will have to cripple or kill them to survive. Challenged by Moon Knight to test his powers on him, Hawley gleefully tries to take control of Moon Knight so he can force the hero to slaughter the entire old folks' home then move onto the rest of the neighborhood.

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* CompleteMonster: Issues #2-3: [[PsychoForHire Leonard Hawley]] is a man with [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic powers]] who loves to "raise hell" simply [[ForTheEvulz for the fun of it]], and hires himself out to villains so he can use his powers to hurt others in imaginative ways. Paid by Zodiac to torment Moon Knight, Hawley takes control of an entire old folks' home and uses the occupants to attack many people through the city. When Moon Knight investigates, Hawley plans to force Moon Knight to fight for his life through the dozens of seniors, knowing Moon Knight will have to cripple or kill them to survive. Challenged by Moon Knight to test his powers on him, Hawley gleefully tries to take control of Moon Knight so he can force the hero to slaughter the entire old folks' home then move onto the rest of the neighborhood.See [[Monster/MoonKnight here]].
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* CompleteMonster: Issues #2-3: [[PsychoForHire Leonard Hawley]] is a man with [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic powers]] who loves to "raise hell" simply [[ForTheEvulz for the fun of it]], and hires himself out to villains so he can use his powers to hurt others in imaginative ways. Paid by Zodiac to torment Moon Knight, Hawley takes control of an entire old folks' home and uses the occupants to attack many people through the city. When Moon Knight investigates, Hawley plans to force Moon Knight to fight for his life through the dozens of seniors, knowing Moon Knight will have to cripple or kill them to survive. Challenged by Moon Knight to test his powers on him, Hawley gleefully tries to take control of Moon Knight so he can force the hero to slaughter the entire old folks' home then move onto the rest of the neighborhood.
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** Nobody expected a Z-list loser like 8-Ball to be given a long character arc [[spoiler:leading to his redemption]].
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** Zodiac was a character introduced in ComicBook/DarkReign and has not been seen since the Vengeance miniseries in 2012. As you can imagine, him reappearing as an ArcVillain 9 years later was guite a surprise.

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** Zodiac was a character introduced in ComicBook/DarkReign and has not been seen since the Vengeance miniseries in 2012. As you can imagine, him reappearing as an ArcVillain 9 years later was guite quite a surprise.
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** While past runs have are usually regarded as FairForItsDay when it comes to the handling of Marc's schizophrenia/dissociative identity disorder and battles with mental illness, they have also been criticized for dipping into the InsaneEqualsViolent trope in some uncomfortable ways, with the deliberate MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ambiguity of the nature of his DID being seen as unhelpful. In [=MacKay=]'s run, Steven and Jake give Marc a WhatTheHellHero and are emphatically clear that the problems in Marc's life have nothing to do with his neurodivergence and all to do with his own willful self-destructive behaviors and {{Wangst}}, and that he's actually making life harder for ''them'' rather than the other way around.

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** While past runs have are usually regarded as FairForItsDay when it comes to the handling of Marc's schizophrenia/dissociative identity disorder and battles with mental illness, they have also been criticized for dipping into the InsaneEqualsViolent trope in some uncomfortable ways, with the deliberate MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ambiguity of the nature of his DID being seen as unhelpful. In [=MacKay=]'s run, run has been praised for being one of the most nuanced takes on his condition, and Steven and Jake give Marc a WhatTheHellHero and are emphatically clear that the problems in Marc's life have nothing to do with his neurodivergence and all to do with his own willful self-destructive behaviors and {{Wangst}}, and that he's actually making life harder for ''them'' rather than the other way around.

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* SalvagedStory: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered mixed reception, Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered mixed reception, Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.run.
** While past runs have are usually regarded as FairForItsDay when it comes to the handling of Marc's schizophrenia/dissociative identity disorder and battles with mental illness, they have also been criticized for dipping into the InsaneEqualsViolent trope in some uncomfortable ways, with the deliberate MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ambiguity of the nature of his DID being seen as unhelpful. In [=MacKay=]'s run, Steven and Jake give Marc a WhatTheHellHero and are emphatically clear that the problems in Marc's life have nothing to do with his neurodivergence and all to do with his own willful self-destructive behaviors and {{Wangst}}, and that he's actually making life harder for ''them'' rather than the other way around.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Alessandro Cappuccio's expert use of high-contrast black and white mixed with judicious coloring gives Moon Knight a downright ethereal appearance.
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* SalvagedStory: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered mixed reception, Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered mixed reception, Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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** Yi Yang, so far mentioned but not seen, is a villain from Creator/MarvelUK's 1980s ComicBook/NightRaven stories. She mostly appeared in Creator/AlanMoore and Jamie Delano's text stories and has only appeared a couple of times in Marvel's American comics. Unlike her previous comic appearances, this immediately restores her status as TheDreaded.
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** The House of Shadows. It was a minor ComicBook/DoctorStrange villain with only 3 appearance and 3 mentions in reference material, with it last appearing in 1992. It returning 30 years later and even becoming a kinda regular character as the new home base of Moon Knight was definitely a surprise. Period.

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** The House of Shadows. It was a minor ComicBook/DoctorStrange villain with only 3 appearance appearances and 3 mentions in reference material, materials, with it last appearing in 1992. It returning 30 years later and even becoming a kinda regular character as the new home base of Moon Knight was definitely a surprise. Period.
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** Zodiac was a character introduced in ComicBook/DarkReign and has not been seen since the Vengeance miniseries in 2012. As you can imagine him reappearing as an Arc Villain 9 years later was guite a surprise.

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** Zodiac was a character introduced in ComicBook/DarkReign and has not been seen since the Vengeance miniseries in 2012. As you can imagine imagine, him reappearing as an Arc Villain ArcVillain 9 years later was guite a surprise.
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** Zodiac was a character introduced in ComicBook/DarkReign and has not been seen since the Vengeance miniseries in 2012. As you can imagine him reappearing as an Arc Villain 9 years later was guite a surprise.
** The House of Shadows. It was a minor ComicBook/DoctorStrange villain with only 3 appearance and 3 mentions in reference material, with it last appearing in 1992. It returning 30 years later and even becoming a kinda regular character as the new home base of Moon Knight was definitely a surprise. Period.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge garnered mixed reception]], reception, Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven Grant being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, Steven being restored to prominence after decades of being OutOfFocus, and a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** It's revealed several issues in that Marlene and the daughter she had with Marc both left him after the events of Jason Aaron's "Fist of Khonshu" story, which was one of the few positives in Bemis' run. While Marlene is something of a minor BaseBreakingCharacter in the franchise (mostly owing to her DependingOnTheWriter characterisation), and Bemis' writing didn't exactly paint her well, many fans ''liked'' the idea of Marc healing and the two becoming a more stable couple, and their daughter was a likeable kid character.
** To a lesser extent, none of the typical Moon Knight supporting cast appear, which is understandable for the most part since many had been PutOnABus long ago, but notably, Jake Lockley and Steven Grant are both absent too, with Marc claiming they only emerge occasionally for minutes at a time. Lemire's run, which was generally well-liked, saw them restored and Bemis' run, though its use of them was controversial, still ''used'' them, so their absence is felt. However, with Steven's appearance at the end of the Zodiac Arc, and solicits promising their further appearance, this may become less of an issue.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: It's revealed several issues in that Marlene and the daughter she had with Marc both left him after the events of Jason Aaron's "Fist of Khonshu" story, which was one of the few positives in Bemis' run. While Marlene is something of a minor BaseBreakingCharacter in the franchise (mostly owing to her DependingOnTheWriter characterisation), and Bemis' writing didn't exactly paint her well, many fans ''liked'' the idea of Marc healing and the two becoming a more stable couple, and their daughter was a likeable kid character.
** To a lesser extent, none of the typical Moon Knight supporting cast appear, which is understandable for the most part since many had been PutOnABus long ago, but notably, Jake Lockley and Steven Grant are both absent too, with Marc claiming they only emerge occasionally for minutes at a time. Lemire's run, which was generally well-liked, saw them restored and Bemis' run, though its use of them was controversial, still ''used'' them, so their absence is felt. However, with Steven's appearance at the end of the Zodiac Arc, and solicits promising their further appearance, this may become less of an issue.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight and with a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight Knight, Jake Lockley's TookALevelInJerkass being rolled back via CharacterRerailment, and with a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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** To a lesser extent, none of the typical Moon Knight supporting cast appear, which is understandable for the most part since many had been PutOnABus long ago, but notably, Jake Lockley and Steven Grant are both absent too, with Marc claiming they only emerge occasionally for minutes at a time. Lemire's run, which was generally well-liked, saw them restored and Bemis' run, though its use of them was controversial, still ''used'' them, so their absence is felt.

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** To a lesser extent, none of the typical Moon Knight supporting cast appear, which is understandable for the most part since many had been PutOnABus long ago, but notably, Jake Lockley and Steven Grant are both absent too, with Marc claiming they only emerge occasionally for minutes at a time. Lemire's run, which was generally well-liked, saw them restored and Bemis' run, though its use of them was controversial, still ''used'' them, so their absence is felt. However, with Steven's appearance at the end of the Zodiac Arc, and solicits promising their further appearance, this may become less of an issue.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** It's revealed several issues in that Marlene and the daughter she had with Marc both left him after the events of Jason Aaron's "Fist of Khonshu" story, which was one of the few positives in Bemis' run. While Marlene is something of a minor BaseBreakingCharacter in the franchise (mostly owing to her DependingOnTheWriter characterisation), and Bemis' writing didn't exactly paint her well, many fans ''liked'' the idea of Marc healing and the two becoming a more stable couple, and their daughter was a likeable kid character.
** To a lesser extent, none of the typical Moon Knight supporting cast appear, which is understandable for the most part since many had been PutOnABus long ago, but notably, Jake Lockley and Steven Grant are both absent too, with Marc claiming they only emerge occasionally for minutes at a time. Lemire's run, which was generally well-liked, saw them restored and Bemis' run, though its use of them was controversial, still ''used'' them, so their absence is felt.

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** Dr. Badr calls himself the "left hand" of Khonshu, as opposed to Moon Knight being the ''right'' hand. The left hand is often associated with darkness and is literally called the "sinister" hand, as opposed to the right hand being the "dexter" hand. There is also the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path Left-hand path and right-hand path]] in magic, where the right-hand is associated with "white magic," while the left-hand is associated with "black magic."
** Dr. Sterman asks if being a priest of Khonshu while also Jewish is a contradiction. While Mr. Knight says that "contradictions are nothing new to me," there is the fact that Judaism is an ethnoreligion, so Marc Spector can be ethnically and culturally Jewish and religiously a part of the Cult of Khonshu without there being any contradiction. This is also why there are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism Jewish atheists]].

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** Dr. Badr calls himself the "left hand" of Khonshu, as opposed to Moon Knight being the ''right'' hand. The left hand is often associated with darkness and is literally called the "sinister" hand, as opposed to the right hand being the "dexter" hand. There is also the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path Left-hand path and right-hand path]] in magic, where the right-hand is associated with "white magic," while the left-hand is associated with "black magic."
" Accordingly, where Spector wears a white costume, Badr wears a black one.
** Dr. Sterman asks if being a priest of Khonshu while also Jewish is a contradiction. While Mr. Knight says that "contradictions are nothing new to me," there is the fact that Judaism is an ethnoreligion, so Marc Spector can be ethnically and culturally Jewish and religiously a part of the Cult of Khonshu without there being any contradiction. This is also why there are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism Jewish atheists]].atheists]].
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=McKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight and with a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=McKay=]'s [=MacKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight and with a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Max Bemis' attempted RevisitingTheRoots run garnered... [[DorkAge mixed reception]], Jed [=McKay=]'s run now sees the return of Marc Spector's default alter ego to being Mr. Knight and with a tone not dissimilar to Creator/WarrenEllis and Declan Shalvey's highly regarded 2014 run.
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** Dr. Badr calls himself the "left hand" of Khonshu, as opposed to Moon Knight being the ''right'' hand. The left hand is often associated with darkness and is literally called the "sinister" hand, as opposed to the right hand being the "dexter" hand. There is also the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path Left-hand path and right-hand path]] in magic, where the right-hand is associated with "white magic," while the left-hand is associated with "black magic."
** Dr. Sterman asks if being a priest of Khonshu while also Jewish is a contradiction. While Mr. Knight says that "contradictions are nothing new to me," there is the fact that Judaism is an ethnoreligion, so Marc Spector can be ethnically and culturally Jewish and religiously a part of the Cult of Khonshu without there being any contradiction. This is also why there are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism Jewish atheists]].

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