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* EvilIsSexy: Precia.

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* EvilIsSexy: Precia. Despite being a horrible parent who is willing to use the clone of her daughter as a pawn and put innocent lives at risk in order to resurrect her actual daughter, she's quite attractive for a woman her age.



* HesJustHiding: More then a few fans don't buy that Precia just fell to her death at the end of the season and hope that she will return one day for some well deserved payback at the hands of Nanoha and Fate.

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* HesJustHiding: More then than a few fans don't buy that Precia just fell to her death at the end of the season and hope that she will return one day for some well deserved payback at the hands of Nanoha and Fate.Fate.
* ItWasHisSled:
** Fate does a HeelFaceTurn and she and Nanoha become friends. Considering that one of the best-known aspects of the franchise is how Nanoha and Fate are as close to being HappilyMarried as one can get without explicitly being described as such, it's hard to find anyone who knows about the franchise and not this development.
** Fate is a clone of Precia's actual daughter Alicia. It's basically impossible to talk about Fate's character arc without mentioning this fact.
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* TheWoobie: Poor Fate, again. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make reach out to her.

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* TheWoobie: Poor Fate, again. She just wants to please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds out that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, Alicia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make reach out to her.
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* PanderingToTheBase: Nanoha's transformation was more arguably more fanservice-based, and Fate got a transformation sequence of her own. Bardiche and Raising Heart both got new looks, as well. Conversely, there's a lot of background information that didn't make it in the movie, which ONLY fans of the series would know about.

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* PanderingToTheBase: Nanoha's transformation was more arguably more fanservice-based, and Fate got a transformation sequence of her own. Bardiche and Raising Heart both got new looks, as well. Conversely, there's a lot of background information that didn't make it in the movie, which ONLY fans of the series would know about.

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* GrowingTheBeard: The first three episodes / first sound stage of the anime are arguably mostly standard MagicalGirl fare and while not awful aren't anything special either especially since the show is still finding it's roots and as such suffers from EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Once [[BreakoutCharacter Fate]] is introduced and the mythology of the show starts to move more towards it's SpaceOpera [=/=] Franchise/{{Gundam}} roots the series becomes considerably more interesting and unique.

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* GrowingTheBeard: The first three episodes / first sound stage of the anime are arguably mostly standard MagicalGirl fare and while not awful aren't anything special either especially since the show is still finding it's its roots and as such suffers from EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Once [[BreakoutCharacter Fate]] is introduced and the mythology of the show starts to move more towards it's its SpaceOpera [=/=] Franchise/{{Gundam}} roots roots, the series becomes considerably more interesting and unique.



* TheWoobie: Poor Fate, again. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.

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* TheWoobie: Poor Fate, again. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with reach out to her.



* PanderingToTheBase: While Fate got a transformation, Nanoha's transformation was more fanservice-based and Bardiche and Raising Heart both got new looks, but there's a lot of information that ONLY fans of the series would know that didn't make it in the movie.

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* PanderingToTheBase: While Fate got a transformation, Nanoha's transformation was more fanservice-based arguably more fanservice-based, and Fate got a transformation sequence of her own. Bardiche and Raising Heart both got new looks, but as well. Conversely, there's a lot of background information that didn't make it in the movie, which ONLY fans of the series would know that didn't make it in the movie.about.


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** While Fate was already TheWoobie, this was [[UpToEleven amped up]] significantly in the movie – mostly through little moments like wistfully watching a mother and child interacting on the street, or glancing sadly at the wrecked cake she tried to offer Precia. With lots of lingering shots of her large, soulful eyes...
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* HarsherInHindsight: The ending theme is [[SweetDreamsFuel a cheerful tune]] about making "[[TitleDrop a little wish]]" so the singer can see someone close to them [[WhenSheSmiles smile]]. ''A's'' was all about "[[ArcWords a small wish]]" for the exact same thing, under far more depressing circumstances.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The ending theme is [[SweetDreamsFuel [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel a cheerful tune]] about making "[[TitleDrop a little wish]]" so the singer can see someone close to them [[WhenSheSmiles smile]]. ''A's'' was all about "[[ArcWords a small wish]]" for the exact same thing, under far more depressing circumstances.
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* JerkassWoobie: Precia in contrast to the original incarnation. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often ''do'' see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia's lifeless body. She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end. Since it is an in-universe biographical movie, the inconsistency is explained with Fate insisting on a more sympathetic portrayal of her.

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* JerkassWoobie: Precia in contrast to the original incarnation. She's still a just as cruel bitch of course, to Fate as in canon, but you can feel bad it's revealed that not only was she a loving mother who wanted to spend more time with her daughter, but [[spoiler:she [[UnfinishedUntestedUsedAnyway tried to prevent the premature launch of the reactor]] that caused the meltdown that killed Alicia]], and the companion manga shows just how painful it was for her too, her, especially since you often ''do'' see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds with [[spoiler:her [[TearJerker cradling Alicia's lifeless body. She's even implied body in her arms]] as tears are streaming down her face]]. In her final moments, as she's falling to ''regret'' what her apparent death, she did at the end. Since it is an in-universe biographical movie, the inconsistency is explained with Fate insisting on appears to finally understand [[spoiler:Alicia's desire for a more sympathetic portrayal of her.little sister]] and regret her actions.
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* TheWoobie: Fate. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.

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* TheWoobie: Fate.Poor Fate, again. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The ending theme is a cheerful tune about making "[[TitleDrop a little wish]]" so the singer can see someone close to them [[WhenSheSmiles smile]]. ''A's'' was all about "[[ArcWords a small wish]]" for the exact same thing, under far more depressing circumstances.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The ending theme is [[SweetDreamsFuel a cheerful tune tune]] about making "[[TitleDrop a little wish]]" so the singer can see someone close to them [[WhenSheSmiles smile]]. ''A's'' was all about "[[ArcWords a small wish]]" for the exact same thing, under far more depressing circumstances.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate, surpassing Nanoha herself in popularity and serving as TheLancer in subsequent series, with numerous hints dropped of her and Nanoha being a couple.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate, surpassing Nanoha herself in popularity and serving as TheLancer in subsequent series, with numerous hints dropped ([[WordOfGay and eventual confirmation]]) of her and Nanoha being a couple.


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* HarsherInHindsight: The ending theme is a cheerful tune about making "[[TitleDrop a little wish]]" so the singer can see someone close to them [[WhenSheSmiles smile]]. ''A's'' was all about "[[ArcWords a small wish]]" for the exact same thing, under far more depressing circumstances.
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* GrowingTheBeard: Arguably gets considerably better and more interesting after the first three episodes and first sound stage.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Arguably gets considerably better and more interesting after the The first three episodes and / first sound stage.stage of the anime are arguably mostly standard MagicalGirl fare and while not awful aren't anything special either especially since the show is still finding it's roots and as such suffers from EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Once [[BreakoutCharacter Fate]] is introduced and the mythology of the show starts to move more towards it's SpaceOpera [=/=] Franchise/{{Gundam}} roots the series becomes considerably more interesting and unique.

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* HesJustHiding: More then a few fans don't buy that Precia just fell to her death at the end of the season and hope that she will return one day for some well deserved payback at the hands of Nanoha and Fate.



* TheWoobie: Fate. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.

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* TheWoobie: Fate. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course of the series is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even after she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different. Her demise would have had much more impact that way. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.
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!!![=YMMVs=] introduced by [[NanohaOriginal The Original Series]]:

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!!![=YMMVs=] introduced by [[NanohaOriginal [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha The Original Series]]:
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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament, and she eventually became the winning-est character in Saimoe history with a record 17 wins and only 4 losses.

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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament, and until recently she eventually became was the winning-est winningest character in Saimoe history with a record 17 wins and only 4 losses.history.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate, surpassing Nanoha herself in popularity and serving as TheLancer in subsequent series, with numerous hints dropped of her Nanoha being a couple.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate, surpassing Nanoha herself in popularity and serving as TheLancer in subsequent series, with numerous hints dropped of her and Nanoha being a couple.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate. While she as a significant character here, her popularity led to sticking around after the series with numerous hints dropped of her Nanoha being a couple.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate. While she as a significant character here, her Fate, surpassing Nanoha herself in popularity led to sticking around after the series and serving as TheLancer in subsequent series, with numerous hints dropped of her Nanoha being a couple.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Fate. While she as a significant character here, her popularity led to sticking around after the series with numerous hints dropped of her Nanoha being a couple.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her different. Her demise would have had much more impact.impact that way. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had ''not'' been a {{complete monster}}. If she had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had ''not'' been a {{complete monster}}. If she had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had ''not'' been a {{complete monster}}. If she had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had ''not'' been a {{complete monster}}. If she had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.
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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament, and she eventually became the winning-est character in Saimoe history (with a record 17 wins and only 4 losses).

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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament, and she eventually became the winning-est character in Saimoe history (with with a record 17 wins and only 4 losses).losses.



* HarsherInHindsight: The people in charge cared more about conserving time and money than making sure that the power plants they built were safe, [[IgnoredExpert to the point of ignoring concerns raised by their own engineers.]] A year after the movie was released, when the Fukushima Nuclear Plant disaster happened and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Safety_history investigations showed that it could have been avoided had officials taken the safety concerns raised by its own experts more seriously]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: The people in charge cared more about conserving time and money than making sure that the power plants they built were safe, [[IgnoredExpert to the point of ignoring concerns raised by their own engineers.]] A year after the movie was released, when the Fukushima Nuclear Plant disaster happened and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Safety_history investigations showed that it could have been avoided had officials taken the safety concerns raised by its own experts more seriously]].seriously.]]



* TheWoobie: Linith. Her plight is even more poignant in the movie manga, as she reveals that she wanted to take Fate and Arf away from Precia, but knew that doing so would hurt her, and realized that Precia and by extension, herself as Precia’s familiar had no more than two years to live. She thus did her best to ensure that Fate became strong and had a good relationship with Precia, and told Fate that she hoped she would find a good friend.

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* TheWoobie: Linith. Her plight is even more poignant in the movie manga, as she reveals that she wanted to take Fate and Arf away from Precia, but knew that doing so would hurt her, and realized that Precia and by extension, herself as Precia’s familiar had no more than two years to live. She thus did her best to ensure that Fate became strong and had a good relationship with Precia, and told Fate that she hoped she would find a good friend.friend.
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* CompleteMonster: Precia. She was ''not'' one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.

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* EvilIsSexy: Precia
* FanPreferredCouple: '''Nanoha/Fate''', big time.

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* EvilIsSexy: Precia
* FanPreferredCouple: '''Nanoha/Fate''', big time.
Precia.



** [[http://i.imgur.com/4GWA2cb.jpg Spark Girl Precia-chan]].



* JerkassWoobie: Precia in contrast to the original incarnation. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often ''do'' see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia's lifeless body She's even implied to [[spoiler:''regret'' what she did at the end]]. Since it is an in-universe biographical movie, the inconsistency is explained with Fate insisting on a more sympathetic portrayal of her.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The people in charge cared more about conserving time and money than making sure that the power plants they built were safe, [[IgnoredExpert to the point of ignoring concerns raised by their own engineers.]] A year after the movie was released, when the Fukushima Nuclear Plant disaster happened and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Safety_history investigations showed that it could have been avoided had officials taken the safety concerns raised by its own experts more seriously]].
* JerkassWoobie: Precia in contrast to the original incarnation. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often ''do'' see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia's lifeless body body. She's even implied to [[spoiler:''regret'' ''regret'' what she did at the end]].end. Since it is an in-universe biographical movie, the inconsistency is explained with Fate insisting on a more sympathetic portrayal of her.



* {{Wangst}}: Nanoha is considerably more angsty in the movie manga, and some people believe she falls into this at times. For example, while at the end of the Jewel Seed case in the original anime, she was mostly satisfied with how things turned out but somewhat worried about Fate, she believes in the movie manga that she was unable to help anyone at all. This has lead to the FanNickname "Emoha" for this version of Nanoha.

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Nanoha is considerably more angsty in the movie manga, and some people believe she falls into this at times. For example, while at the end of the Jewel Seed case in the original anime, she was mostly satisfied with how things turned out but somewhat worried about Fate, she believes in the movie manga that she was unable to help anyone at all. This has lead to the FanNickname "Emoha" for this version of Nanoha.
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** [[http://i.imgur.com/4GWA2cb.jpg Spark Girl Precia-chan]].
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* EvilIsSexy: Precia
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* FanPreferredCouple: '''Nanoha/Fate''', big time.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter Character]]: Think of the story potential if Precia had ''not'' been a {{complete monster}}. If she had been a loving mother to Fate, despite grieving over Alicia and realizing Fate is different, her demise would have had much more impact. Fate would have been forced to defeat her beloved mother in order to save millions of lives. Better still, Fate could even have been longing ''herself'' for Alicia's resurrection, so she could finally meet her "sister". Alas, the makers obviously wished for Precia to be a {{card carrying villain}}, so Fate could be presented as an innocent victim.
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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament.

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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament.Tournament, and she eventually became the winning-est character in Saimoe history (with a record 17 wins and only 4 losses).
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* {{Moe}}: Nanoha and Fate both fit this trope perfectly. In fact, Nanoha even won the 2005 Saimoe Tournament.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Precia whipping Fate for not bringing enough Jewel Seeds back.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Precia whipping Fate for not bringing enough Jewel Seeds back.back, despite bringing half a dozen and working constantly despite the risks to her health from everything she's doing.



* TheWoobie: Fate.

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* TheWoobie: Fate. She just wants please her mother, but nothing she does over the course is ever good enough for her and she gets horribly abused no matter what she does. Towards the end of the series, even she finds that she was just an ArtificialHuman modeled after Precia's real daughter Alecia, and that Precia never thought of her as her daughter, she still tries to make amends with her.

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