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* WhatAnIdiot: "Okay, I know that every other guy who has invoked the powers of darkness to get an advantage has brought only ruin... But I know that I can do better."

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* WhatAnIdiot: "Okay, I know Any person who attempts to use ''[[BloodMagic maho]]'' or [[DealWithTheDevil entreat with the creatures of the Shadowlands]] is either ignorant of the cost of such practices, dumb enough to believe [[KarmaHoudini that every other guy who has invoked they will be the powers of darkness first people to get an advantage has brought only ruin... But I know that I can do better."
around those costs]], or [[KnightTemplar crazy/dedicated enough not to care.]]
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* When the [[TokenEvilTeammate Spider Clan]] was [[HeelFaceTurn formally accepted as a Great Clan]] after the events of the Destroyer War, many samurai (particularly the Lion and Crab) committed seppuku in protest. Many fans [[InternetBackdraft shared the sentiment.]]

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* ** When the [[TokenEvilTeammate Spider Clan]] was [[HeelFaceTurn formally accepted as a Great Clan]] after the events of the Destroyer War, many samurai (particularly the Lion and Crab) committed seppuku in protest. Many fans [[InternetBackdraft shared the sentiment.]]
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* When the [[TokenEvilTeammate Spider Clan]] was [[HeelFaceTurn formally accepted as a Great Clan]] after the events of the Destroyer War, many samurai (particularly the Lion and Crab) committed seppuku in protest. Many fans [[InternetBackdraft shared the sentiment.]]

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* BrokenBase: Well it goes without saying that the supporters for each of the factions (even ones no longer active in the game) are pretty passionate and will defend their faction [[SeriousBusiness with great zeal]]. One can even find intense debates and divides within a single clan (the Shinjo vs. Moto flame wars among the Unicorn player base have been going strong for over a decade) to say nothing over the debates about which CCG ruleset was best, First Edition vs. Third Edition RPG, CCG vs RPG (judging just from this page), etc. etc. etc...

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Well it goes without saying that the supporters for each of the factions (even ones no longer active in the game) are pretty passionate and will defend their faction [[SeriousBusiness with great zeal]]. One can even find intense debates and divides within a single clan (the Shinjo vs. Moto flame wars among the Unicorn player base have been going strong for over a decade) to say nothing over the debates about which CCG ruleset was best, First Edition vs. Third Edition RPG, CCG vs RPG (judging just from this page), etc. etc. etc...etc...
** RPG versus CCG gets special mention, because the {{Metaplot}} is the chief draw of the CCG: the ability to affect the story of Rokugan through tournament victories and behavior. However, the current consensus among RPG players in general is that metaplot is absolutely toxic to a game line and hinders [=GMs'=] ability to tell their own stories. In addition, many of the RPG players consider the Story Team's endless rearrangement of Rokugan to provide [[CrackIsCheaper new cards to buy]] and new tournament prizes to be detrimental to the lore, if not outright CanonDefilement. The writers for the Fourth Edition of the RPG are very GenreSavvy about this, and do their best to make sure that there are rules for playing in any era that the GM wants to run a story in, avoiding being drawn into the metaplot.

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* MemeticBadass: Hida Kisada claims this trope for the Crab Clan. Yoritomo of the Mantis and Moto Chagatai of the Unicorn have reached Chuck Norris-level badassery in some circles.

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* MemeticBadass: Hida Kisada claims this trope for the Crab Clan. Yoritomo Yes, this is in spite of the Mantis and Moto Chagatai of the Unicorn have reached Chuck Norris-level badassery in some circles.
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* MemeticBadass: Yoritomo of the Mantis and Moto Chagatai of the Unicorn have reached Chuck Norris-level badassery in some circles.
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* IdiotPlot: The sheer amount of stupidity required to allow Hantei XVI to come to power, and then continue to reign after it was clear that he was insane, is mind-boggling. Hell, his birth was presaged by [[PortentOfDoom horrible omens and portents]] unseen since [[BigBad Iuchiban}], and all the major families just chose to ignore it!

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* IdiotPlot: The sheer amount of stupidity required to allow Hantei XVI to come to power, and then continue to reign after it was clear that he was insane, is mind-boggling. Hell, his birth was presaged by [[PortentOfDoom horrible omens and portents]] unseen since [[BigBad Iuchiban}], Iuchiban]], and all the major families just chose to ignore it!
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** Special mention should also go to the man who did the head crushing in the above example- Hida Tsuneo, then the Crab Clan Champion. He was Hantei XVI's friend since childhood, and was named his Right Hand when he took the throne (rather than the Lion Champion, as was tradition). One might think he was simply supporting his friend and/or following the orders of his Emperor, until you see his character sheet and notice he has a Technique [[BullyBrutality that specifically allows him to do more damage]] [[LudicrousGibs to people with physical disadvantages,]] because he just loves [[{{Sadist}} hurting the weak that much.]]

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** Special mention should also go to the man who did the head crushing in the above example- Hida Tsuneo, then the Crab Clan Champion. He was Hantei XVI's friend since childhood, and was named his Right Hand when he took the throne (rather than the Lion Champion, as was tradition). One might think he was simply supporting his friend and/or following the orders of his Emperor, until you see his character sheet and notice he has a Technique [[BullyBrutality that specifically allows give him to do more damage]] bonuses]] [[LudicrousGibs to hurt people with physical disadvantages,]] because he just loves [[{{Sadist}} hurting the weak that much.]]

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** The legendary Kaiu engineers of the Crab Clan spend most of their time building and maintaining the armor, weapons and siege engines that the Crab rely on for survival, and that's when they're not working on the Great Kaiu Wall that separates Rokugan from the Shadowlands. When they have spare time or need a break from the ceaseless grind of war, however, they [[FriendToAllChildren make toys for children.]] People may not like the Crab Clan, but ''no one'' turns down a gift of a Kaiu toy.



*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Fu Leng taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Daigotsu to save the Empire, taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-recieved.

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*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent. Subsequent developments (the Spider becoming a legitimate Great Clan, Fu Leng taking over Jigoku and joining forces with Daigotsu to save the Empire, taint only affecting the willing) have been similarly poorly-recieved.poorly-received.
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* IdiotPlot: The sheer amount of stupidity required to allow Hantei XVI to come to power, and then continue to reign after it was clear that he was insane, is mind-boggling. Hell, his birth was presaged by [[PortentOfDoom horrible omens and portents]] unseen since [[BigBad Iuchiban}], and all the major families just chose to ignore it!
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** Special mention should also go to the man who did the head crushing in the above example- Hida Tsuneo, then the Crab Clan Champion. He was Hantei XVI's friend since childhood, and was named his Right Hand when he took the throne (rather than the Lion Champion, as was tradition). One might think he was simply supporting his friend and/or following the orders of his Emperor, until you see his character sheet and notice he has a Technique [[BullyBrutality that specifically allows him to do more damage]] [[LudicrousGibs to people who are physically weaker than him.]]

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** Special mention should also go to the man who did the head crushing in the above example- Hida Tsuneo, then the Crab Clan Champion. He was Hantei XVI's friend since childhood, and was named his Right Hand when he took the throne (rather than the Lion Champion, as was tradition). One might think he was simply supporting his friend and/or following the orders of his Emperor, until you see his character sheet and notice he has a Technique [[BullyBrutality that specifically allows him to do more damage]] [[LudicrousGibs to people who are physically weaker than him.with physical disadvantages,]] because he just loves [[{{Sadist}} hurting the weak that much.]]
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** Special mention should also go to the man who did the head crushing in the above example- Hida Tsuneo, then the Crab Clan Champion. He was Hantei XVI's friend since childhood, and was named his Right Hand when he took the throne (rather than the Lion Champion, as was tradition). One might think he was simply supporting his friend and/or following the orders of his Emperor, until you see his character sheet and notice he has a Technique [[BullyBrutality that specifically allows him to do more damage]] [[LudicrousGibs to people who are physically weaker than him.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Hantei XVI, AKA [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Steel Chrysanthemum]], bears the dubious honor of being one of only two Emperors to have been the victims of assassination, and for a ''very'' good reason (the second Emperor was killed to [[spoiler: prevent Fu Leng from possessing the Emperor and taking over Rokugan]]). Among many, ''many'' other horrible crimes, he had all of his siblings killed (including one [[EnfantTerrible when he was just a child]]), formed a SecretPolice force to root out imaginary conspiracies against his throne, destroyed a man's reputation so he could take that man's daughter as a [[SexSlave concubine]], purged an entire region of samurai after its daimyo [[DisproportionateRetribution asked for an extension on the deadline for collecting taxes]], and ''[[YourHeadAsplode had his mother's head crushed like a grape]]'' after she tried to confront him about his crimes. That was TheLastStraw, and the Emperor's entire personal guard ganged up at once to murder him.

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* CompleteMonster: Hantei XVI, AKA [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Steel Chrysanthemum]], bears the dubious honor of being one of only two Emperors to have been the victims of assassination, and for a ''very'' good reason (the second Emperor was killed to [[spoiler: prevent Fu Leng from possessing the Emperor and taking over Rokugan]]). Among many, ''many'' other horrible crimes, he had all of his siblings killed (including one [[EnfantTerrible when he was just a child]]), formed a SecretPolice force to root out imaginary conspiracies against his throne, destroyed a man's reputation so he could take that man's daughter as a [[SexSlave concubine]], purged an entire region of samurai after its daimyo [[DisproportionateRetribution asked for an extension on the deadline for collecting taxes]], and ''[[YourHeadAsplode had his mother's head crushed like a grape]]'' after she tried to confront him about his crimes. That was TheLastStraw, and the Emperor's entire personal guard ganged up at once to murder him.him and put an end to his madness.
** To put this into context: anyone who betrays their lord, particularly the Emperor, must commit seppuku to preserve their honor. In others words, the ''entire'' personal guard of the Emperor decided that dying in dishonor was preferable to letting Hantei XVI continue to live.
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* * CompleteMonster: Hantei XVI, AKA [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Steel Chrysanthemum]], bears the dubious honor of being one of only two Emperors to have been the victims of assassination, and for a ''very'' good reason (the second Emperor was killed to [[spoiler: prevent Fu Leng from possessing the Emperor and taking over Rokugan]]). Among many, ''many'' other horrible crimes, he had all of his siblings killed (including one [[EnfantTerrible when he was just a child]]), formed a SecretPolice force to root out imaginary conspiracies against his throne, destroyed a man's reputation so he could take that man's daughter as a [[SexSlave concubine]], purged an entire region of samurai after its daimyo [[DisproportionateRetribution asked for an extension on the deadline for collecting taxes]], and ''[[YourHeadAsplode had his mother's head crushed like a grape]]'' after she tried to confront him about his crimes. That was TheLastStraw, and the Emperor's entire personal guard ganged up at once to murder him.

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* * CompleteMonster: Hantei XVI, AKA [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Steel Chrysanthemum]], bears the dubious honor of being one of only two Emperors to have been the victims of assassination, and for a ''very'' good reason (the second Emperor was killed to [[spoiler: prevent Fu Leng from possessing the Emperor and taking over Rokugan]]). Among many, ''many'' other horrible crimes, he had all of his siblings killed (including one [[EnfantTerrible when he was just a child]]), formed a SecretPolice force to root out imaginary conspiracies against his throne, destroyed a man's reputation so he could take that man's daughter as a [[SexSlave concubine]], purged an entire region of samurai after its daimyo [[DisproportionateRetribution asked for an extension on the deadline for collecting taxes]], and ''[[YourHeadAsplode had his mother's head crushed like a grape]]'' after she tried to confront him about his crimes. That was TheLastStraw, and the Emperor's entire personal guard ganged up at once to murder him.

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* * CompleteMonster: Hantei XVI, AKA [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Steel Chrysanthemum]], bears the dubious honor of being one of only two Emperors to have been the victims of assassination, and for a ''very'' good reason (the second Emperor was killed to [[spoiler: prevent Fu Leng from possessing the Emperor and taking over Rokugan]]). Among many, ''many'' other horrible crimes, he had all of his siblings killed (including one [[EnfantTerrible when he was just a child]]), formed a SecretPolice force to root out imaginary conspiracies against his throne, destroyed a man's reputation so he could take that man's daughter as a [[SexSlave concubine]], purged an entire region of samurai after its daimyo [[DisproportionateRetribution asked for an extension on the deadline for collecting taxes]], and ''[[YourHeadAsplode had his mother's head crushed like a grape]]'' after she tried to confront him about his crimes. That was TheLastStraw, and the Emperor's entire personal guard ganged up at once to murder him.
** Unfortunately, this was not the last we heard from Hantei XVI. His spirit was able to return to the mortal realm through [[{{Hellgate}} Oblivion's Gate]] during the reign of the Toturi Dynasty. Realizing that he was the last "surviving" Hantei, he naturally concluded that [[InsaneTrollLogic he had the right to rule Rokugan.]] His plan to recapture the throne ''started'' with [[WouldHarmAChild capturing all of the Pheonix Clan's children,]] and only got more insane from there, resulting in what became known as the War of the Spirits.



** The Destroyer War, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and making the taint voluntary, and forcing Iweko to make Spider a Great Clan is being treated as discontinuity as well.

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** The Destroyer War, Daigotsu taking over Jigoku and making the taint voluntary, and forcing Iweko to make Spider a Great Clan is being treated as discontinuity as well. well.
* PromotedFanboy: Almost everybody currently in charge of designing the game or writing its material started out as a player of the CCG or RPG (or both).
** In story, Toku went from being a peasant, to being a friend in the retinue of a disgraced ronin leader, to being a favored ally after said ronin leader became Emperor, to leading a minor clan. After his death, he was promoted even further to become the Fortune of Virtue. His daughter married into the Scorpion Clan, where she is now leader. Some players consider that if the Scorpion had selected her as a candidate for Emperor, they may have won the Race for the Throne by consciously invoking this trope.
* [[ScrewedByTheLawyers Screwed By The International Olympic Committee]]: During the game's tenure at Wizards, the IOC sent legal notice to Wizards that the logo for the game (five interlocking gold rings in a pentagon shape) was a violation of the IOC's treaty-protected copyright of their logo ([[AsYouKnow five interlocking rings of different colors in a "W" shape]]) on the grounds that the treaty claims ''any'' design with five interlocking rings, regardless of orientation or color. Wizards changed the card backs (which prominently featured the logo) to a new design that instead incorporated five independent gold discs. This had the unintended effect of essentially banning any cards produced before the change (for the simple fact that they'd be easy to spot in a hand) unless the player invested in opaque-backed card sleeves.
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* EvilIsSexy: Even though the Shadowlands Taint can either make you horrifically ugly or inhumanly beautiful, most Tainted women have tended to remain on the "inhumanly beautiful" side of the spectrum. [[MostWritersAreMale Hmm...]]
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* IdiotBall: Why, in the name of all that is holy, would the most vehemently anti-Shadowlands Clan in Rokugan ever ally themselves with the Shadowlands during the Clan War? Ask Hida Kisada, who apparently thought it was a good idea, and [[LaserGuidedKarma paid for it dearly...]] like pretty much anyone else in the Clan should have been able to tell him.
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Daigotsu Kampeki, the Spider Clan Champion and one of the most dangerous men in the Empire, nonetheless genuinely cares for his wife.
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** Shoju Bayushi's wife, Kachiko, once asked, revealed to him that she'd been [[YourCheatingHeart having an affair with Hoturi Doji]], and that Shoju [[WhosYourDaddy wasn't their son's father]]. After a tense moment, the boy was brought in, with Kachiko expecting Shoju to kill him. Instead, the maimed Scorpion picked the child up, declared him his heir, and said that, as the child of the woman he loved, he would care for the boy like his own.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Samurai selling their lives dearly is a staple of the genre.
** Just as Daigotsu is ready to conquer all of Rokugan while Fu Leng simultaneously leads an attack on Heaven itself, and all those who could hope to stop them have already been defeated, MagnificentBastard Naseru, the ''courtier'' among Toturi's children, steps up to the plate and mindscrews the God of Evil himself with a few well-chosen words, leading Fu Leng to ruin his own plan in its very moment of triumph by doubting the loyalty of his servants, and thus cutting himself off from the power that their faith granted him.
-->'''Daigotsu:''' You should have remained in Ryoko Owari. Your battle is already lost. Even should I die here, I will become a martyr to the Lost. Their faith in Fu Leng will increase a thousand fold, and his conquest of Tengoku will be assured.
-->'''Naseru:''' Their faith in Fu Leng? I see no such thing. Your people do not believe in Fu Leng. They believe in you. You, in turn, believe in him. You are the focus of Fu Leng's power. I wonder what will become of you once Fu Leng realizes that he relies so heavily upon you. I hope he is a trusting god.
** And then, of course, at the close of the Second Day Of Thunder. One sentence capped off [[GambitRoulette a thousand years of planning]].
-->"That's right, Fu Leng. [[spoiler:[[OhCrap You are mortal]].]]"
** An often-overlooked one: Hida Kisada's youngest and least favorite child, Hida Sukune, was the only one who opposed the Crab Clan's near-literal DealWithTheDevil. When given as a blood sacrifice to Fu Leng, his soul was damned to the hellish dimension of Jigoku for eternity... [[LikeABadassOutOfHell only for his soul to overpower Jigoku due to his raw virtue, and leave of its own accord.]]
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: After being framed for an assassination attempt on the Emperor, the Scorpion were declared traitors to the empire, exiled on pain of death, and their children kept as hostages. At a tournament to win a favor from the Emperor, the Scorpion began by brazenly bribing another clan into helping them (using [[DeusExNukina the sword that created the Burning Sands]], no less), and winning the tournament with their candidate pretending to be a ronin just long enough to secure the prize. As the Emperor was honor bound to fulfill the wish of the victor, they then openly used this to blackmail the Emperor into restoring their holdings and station, while pointedly not needing to swear fealty in so doing.
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* TheyJustDidntCare: More or less WizardsOfTheCoast's attitude during the entire period where they had joint rights to the game along with AEG. They day that AEG bought exclusive rights back from the was a a day of great rejoicing. Though some critics also say that this is the attitude towards Japanese and Samurai Culture of the post Wick Story Team as the setting has drifted further away from that over time.

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* TheyJustDidntCare: More or less WizardsOfTheCoast's attitude during the entire period where they had joint rights to the game along with AEG. They day that AEG bought exclusive rights back from the them was a a day of great rejoicing. Though some critics also say that this is the attitude towards Japanese and Samurai Culture of the post Wick Story Team as the setting has drifted further away from that over time.
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** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie. Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi were slain, he would already be dead.

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** When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie. Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi were was slain, he would already be dead.
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* MemeticBadass: Hida Kisada claims this trope for the Crab Clan. Yoritomo of the Mantis and Moto Chagatai of the Unicorn are have reached Chuck Norris-level badassery in some circles.

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* MemeticBadass: Hida Kisada claims this trope for the Crab Clan. Yoritomo of the Mantis and Moto Chagatai of the Unicorn are have reached Chuck Norris-level badassery in some circles.



** An often-overlooked one: Hika Kisada's youngest and least favorite child, Hida Sukune, was the only one who opposed the Crab Clan's near-literal DealWithTheDevil. When given as a blood sacrifice to Fu Leng, his soul was damned to the hellish dimension of Jigoku for eternity... [[LikeABadassOutOfHell only for his soul to overpower Jigoku due to his raw virtue, and leave of its own accord.]]

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** An often-overlooked one: Hika Hida Kisada's youngest and least favorite child, Hida Sukune, was the only one who opposed the Crab Clan's near-literal DealWithTheDevil. When given as a blood sacrifice to Fu Leng, his soul was damned to the hellish dimension of Jigoku for eternity... [[LikeABadassOutOfHell only for his soul to overpower Jigoku due to his raw virtue, and leave of its own accord.]]

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*** It's pretty uncommon to find someone who liked the Destroyer War, as the Spider were the only clan that came off as even slightly competent.



*** Kachiko inspires many of these. During the coup, Hoturi proudly kills Bayushi Dairu, the heir to the Scorpion leadership. It isn't until years later, as Hoturi's pondering Kachiko's sudden and passionate hatred for him after years of saying little to one another: Dairu wasn't Shoju's son, but Hoturi's.

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*** Kachiko inspires many of these. During the coup, Hoturi proudly kills Bayushi Dairu, the heir to the Scorpion leadership. It isn't until years later, as Hoturi's pondering Kachiko's sudden and passionate hatred for him after years of saying little to one another: another, that Hoturi realized the truth: Dairu wasn't Shoju's son, but Hoturi's.

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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: When Hida O-Ushi's uncle Tsume scornfully asked her (formerly Unicorn) husband Hida Yasamura whether he would have the resolve to cut O-Ushi down if she was slain and raised as a zombie. Yasamura replied that it would be impossible for him- because if O-Ushi were slain, he would already be dead.

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** The InterspeciesRomance between Daini and Mara is a subtle one, but it's really quite sweet -- and very significant, when one remembers that these two had to overcome serious obstacles, including very alien appearances in each other's eyes, completely different racial psychologies, and his own culture's traditions of arranged marriages, stoicism and opposing of romantic love. Yet, despite it all, they managed to fall in genuine love and marry because of that love. "Legacy of the Naga" even has a throwaway line about how Daini is perfectly comfortable allowing Mara to assume her true, tail-slithering form as opposed to needing her to be in her bipedal form, and even enjoys her coiling embrace.

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* AmbiguouslyGay: Shinjo Min-Hee, the current Khan, comes off as this especially in regards to Naleesh. [[http://www.kazenoshiro.com/2011/12/24/state-of-the-clans-part-4/ This fiction compounds that with Takeru mentioning that Min-Hee hasn't even said hello to her husband in over a month. She just continues to brood over Naleesh instead of visiting.]]
** She later breaks her own arm to make Naleesh mad at her former fiancee, the Dragon Champion. Saying that Min-Hee hates him is an understatement, this is touching in on PsychoLesbian territory.



* EasilyForgiven: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".
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* EasilyForgiven/KarmaHoudini: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".

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* EasilyForgiven/KarmaHoudini: EasilyForgiven: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".
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* EasilyForgiven: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".

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* EasilyForgiven: EasilyForgiven/KarmaHoudini: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".
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* EasilyForiven: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".

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* EasilyForiven: EasilyForgiven: As one review of Emperor Edition put it, the Spider becoming an offical clan despite their history of practicing [[BloodMagic Maho]] and Shourido, a blatant rejection of the code of [[BushidoIndex Bushido]], as well as their founder, [[BigBad Daigotsu]], murdering two of Rokugan's Emperors, is "[[http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/771961/the-latest-edition-of-the-best-game-ever-a-totally kind of like Doctor Doom getting invited to join the Fantastic Four after helping chase off Galactus]]".

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