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House came first.


** The prosecuting attorney is [[Series/HouseMD Dr Wilson]]
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: A large part of the episode's infamy tends to stem from how it treats Darius [=McCrae=], the one responsible for pushing Avery off the bridge, and how sympathetic he actually ''is'' versus how sympathetic the episode ''treats him''. There are many who find him, while not guilt free considering he ''did'' push Avery, a victim himself due to the DA's Office wanting to MakeAnExampleOutOfThem, arguing that he is JustAKid who was genuinely remorseful over Avery's injuries and subsequent death, and didn't deserve to be made a political piece for the DA's Office. Just as many find him UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, arguing that he has no excuse for his pushing Avery off a bridge regardless of any attempts at using his young age as a defense, his transphobic behavior that spurned on his bullying Avery makes him seem like a bigot who only felt remorse when he got in trouble, and he has to face consequences for Avery's death regardless of whether he intended it or not.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: A large part of the episode's infamy tends to stem from how it treats Darius [=McCrae=], the one responsible for pushing Avery off the bridge, and how sympathetic he actually ''is'' versus how sympathetic the episode ''treats him''. There are many who find him, while not guilt free considering he ''did'' push Avery, a victim himself due to the DA's Office wanting to MakeAnExampleOutOfThem, MakeAnExampleOfThem, arguing that he is JustAKid who was genuinely remorseful over Avery's injuries and subsequent death, and didn't deserve to be made a political piece for the DA's Office. Just as many find him UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, arguing that he has no excuse for his pushing Avery off a bridge regardless of any attempts at using his young age as a defense, his transphobic behavior that spurned on his bullying Avery makes him seem like a bigot who only felt remorse when he got in trouble, and he has to face consequences for Avery's death regardless of whether he intended it or not.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: A large part of the episode's infamy tends to stem from how it treats Darius [=McCrae=], the one responsible for pushing Avery off the bridge, and how sympathetic he actually ''is'' versus how sympathetic the episode ''treats him''. There are many who find him, while not guilt free considering he ''did'' push Avery, a victim himself due to the DA's Office wanting to MakeAnExampleOutOfThem, arguing that he is JustAKid who was genuinely remorseful over Avery's injuries and subsequent death, and didn't deserve to be made a political piece for the DA's Office. Just as many find him UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, arguing that he has no excuse for his pushing Avery off a bridge regardless of any attempts at using his young age as a defense, his transphobic behavior that spurned on his bullying Avery makes him seem like a bigot who only felt remorse when he got in trouble, and he has to face consequences for Avery's death regardless of whether he intended it or not.
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Considering the fact that even a single person stepping in could have stopped Avery from being thrown over the bridge by briefly taking the attention off of her, all someone needed to do was either speak up or come to her defense. True, there is potential for their injury too, but the other result is just standing there filming what becomes a manslaughter. Even those unsympathetic to Darius's actions have felt sympathy for him being made an example out of to send a message.


* InformedWrongness: The detectives bemoan the fact that everyone in the vicinity of the attack did nothing to help Avery and just recorded the attack. While many of the bystanders were transphobic, the fact remains that untrained civilians intervening in a violent assault is dangerous and has the potential to make things worse. Recording a crime is one of the most helpful things a bystander can do, and indeed in this case the recordings were critical to the investigation. The "heroes" criticizing all the people who recorded the attack for not doing more, just makes them look like ungrateful dicks.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Darius. True, he didn't mean to kill Avery Parker, and he was genuinely remorseful afterward, but the fact that, for whatever reason, he deliberately set out to assault a transgender kid for being transgender doesn't win him a lot of sympathy. In the end, the judge's ruling, finding him guilty of a hate crime and sentencing him to seven years in prison, is correct given that even the defense expert's testimony ultimately supports the finding that Darius assaulted the victim out of transphobic bias.
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Wait 20 years before adding Values Dissonance.


* ValuesDissonance: While most likely being intended as a progressive look at trans issues at the time, the plot of the episode now looks rather hacky- the trans character ending up dying only after forgiving their assaulter almost sends a message that a trans person is obligated to forgive their attacker even if they were clearly attacked on the basis of transphobia.
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* InformedWrongness: The detectives bemoan the fact that everyone in the vicinity of the attack did nothing to help Avery and just recorded the attack. While many of the bystanders were transphobic, the fact remains that untrained civilians intervening in a violent assault is dangerous and has the potential to make things worse. Recording a crime is one of the most helpful things a bystander can do, and indeed in this case the recordings were critical to the investigation. The "heroes" criticizing all the people who recorded the attack for not doing more, just makes them look like ungrateful dicks.
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* RetroactiveRecognition
** Darius's friend is [[Series/ThisIsUs Young Randall Pearson]]
** His mom is [[Series/OrangeIsTheNewBlack Black Cindy]]
** The prosecuting attorney is [[Series/HouseMD Dr Wilson]]
** The defense's expert witness is [[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Su'kal]]



* ValuesDissonance: While most likely being intended as a progressive look at trans issues at the time, the plot of the episode now looks rather hacky- the trans character ending up dying only after forgiving their assaulter almost sends a message that a trans person is obligated to forgive their attacker even if they were clearly attacked on the basis of transphobia.

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* ValuesDissonance: While most likely being intended as a progressive look at trans issues at the time, the plot of the episode now looks rather hacky- the trans character ending up dying only after forgiving their assaulter almost sends a message that a trans person is obligated to forgive their attacker even if they were clearly attacked on the basis of transphobia.transphobia.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Darius. True, he didn't mean to kill Avery Parker, and he was genuinely remorseful afterward, but the fact that, for whatever reason, he deliberately set out to assault a transgender kid for being transgender doesn't win him a lot of sympathy. In the end, the judge's ruling, finding him guilty of a hate crime and sentencing him to seven years in prison, is correct given that even the defense expert's testimony ultimately supports the finding that Darius assaulted the victim out of transphobic bias.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Darius. True, he didn't mean to kill Avery Parker, and he was genuinely remorseful afterward, but the fact that, for whatever reason, he deliberately set out to assault a transgender kid for being transgender doesn't win him a lot of sympathy. In the end, the judge's ruling, finding him guilty of a hate crime and sentencing him to seven years in prison, is correct given that even the defense expert's testimony ultimately supports the finding that Darius assaulted the victim out of transphobic bias.bias.
* ValuesDissonance: While most likely being intended as a progressive look at trans issues at the time, the plot of the episode now looks rather hacky- the trans character ending up dying only after forgiving their assaulter almost sends a message that a trans person is obligated to forgive their attacker even if they were clearly attacked on the basis of transphobia.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Darius. True, he didn't mean to kill Avery Parker, and he was genuinely remorseful afterward, but the fact that, for whatever reason, he deliberately set out to assault a transgender kid for being transgender doesn't win him a lot of sympathy. In the end, the judge's ruling, finding him guilty of a hate crime and sentencing him to seven years in prison, is correct given that even the defense expert's testimony ultimately supports the finding that Darius assaulted the victim out of transphobic bias.

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