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** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he overheard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, murdered his own men, and tried to take over China. To top it all off in the movie itself, Po even gives Shen the second chance for redemption that many of Shen's fans think he deserves but Shen's only response is to make one last attempt to try to murder Po ''again''. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.

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** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal genocide against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he overheard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, murdered his own men, and tried to take over China. To top it all off in the movie itself, Po even gives Shen the second chance for redemption that many of Shen's fans think he deserves but Shen's only response is to make one last attempt to try to murder Po ''again''. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.
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I've definitely seen this pop up. Kinda like Koba from Dawn of the Planet of the Apes in that no one thinks he's a bad character but how sympathetic he really is is definitely divisive.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: While Lord Shen has been widely praised as one of the best [=DreamWorks=] villains yet, thanks to being a [[KnightOfCerebus surprisingly dark]] yet [[HiddenDepths multi-layered]] villain with a killer performance from Creator/GaryOldman, there's a bit of a divide as to how sympathetic he really is. Some feel sympathy for him due to his backstory of [[IJustWantToBeLoved feeling unloved by his parents]] and his desire to find true happiness as a result, while others see him as an [[BeyondRedemption irredeemable monster]] completely undeserving of sympathy due to him committing genocide, bringing his unhappiness on himself. And then there are those who TakeAThirdOption: that his insecurities are absolutely no excuse for his actions, yet they still make him pitiable to a degree.

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* HarsherInHindsight:
** Po's ObliviousAdoption, joked about in the first film takes on a darker note once we learn he's [[spoiler: a genocide survivor]].
** The end of the movie confirms that [[spoiler:Po's father Li Shan and a handful of pandas survived the onslaught. It provided hope that his mother did as well. Sadly, Li Shan confirms that she was killed in the attack]].

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* HarsherInHindsight:
** Po's ObliviousAdoption, joked about in the first film takes on a darker note once we learn he's [[spoiler: a genocide survivor]].
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HarsherInHindsight: The end of the movie confirms that [[spoiler:Po's father Li Shan and a handful of pandas survived the onslaught. It provided onslaught, providing hope that his mother did as well. Sadly, Li Shan confirms that she was killed in the attack]].
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* CryForTheDevil: Lord Shen. He's a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]], AxCrazy warlord who committed near-genocide on the pandas just because of a vague prophecy, however he struggles with [[IJustWantToBeLoved deep-rooted insecurities]] due to believing that his parents never loved him and desperately seeks happiness as a result. His conversations with the [[MoralityPet Soothsayer]] especially bring this to light, as it's strongly implied that he knows that what he's doing won't bring him happiness but believes that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far to stop now]].

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* CryForTheDevil: Lord Shen. He's a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]], AxCrazy warlord who committed near-genocide on the pandas just because of a vague prophecy, however prophecy. However, he struggles with [[IJustWantToBeLoved deep-rooted insecurities]] due to believing that his parents never loved him and desperately seeks happiness as a result. His conversations with the [[MoralityPet Soothsayer]] especially bring this to light, as it's strongly implied that he knows that what he's doing won't bring him happiness but believes that [[IveComeTooFar he's come too far to stop now]].
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** [[spoiler: When Po discovers what Lord Shen did to his parents, and for that matter ''species'', his response is to... let go of his pain and find inner peace. Shen, who has never got over his own deep-rooted issues, is utterly shocked. While it goes with his AllLovingHero status and is a potent emotional moment, it can still be rather jarring to see Po so easily forgive the genocidal dictator and would-be conqueror who massacred her his species with next to no reason to do so other than "letting go of pain." It comes across as borderline apathy to what Shen did, nearly. Po might just be one of the most forgiving characters in cinema.]]

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** [[spoiler: When Po discovers what Lord Shen did to his parents, and for that matter ''species'', his response is to... let go of his pain and find inner peace. Shen, who has never got over his own deep-rooted issues, is utterly shocked. While it goes with his AllLovingHero status and is a potent emotional moment, it can still be rather jarring to see Po so easily forgive the genocidal dictator and would-be conqueror who massacred her his species with next to no reason to do so other than "letting go of pain." It comes across as borderline apathy to what Shen did, nearly.did to his knowledge at the time. Po might just be one of the most forgiving characters in cinema.]]
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tbh it fits better in this entry given the context.


** [[spoiler: When Po discovers what Lord Shen did to his parents, and for that matter ''species'', his response is to... let go of his pain and find inner peace. Shen, who has never got over his own deep-rooted issues, is utterly shocked.]]

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** [[spoiler: When Po discovers what Lord Shen did to his parents, and for that matter ''species'', his response is to... let go of his pain and find inner peace. Shen, who has never got over his own deep-rooted issues, is utterly shocked. While it goes with his AllLovingHero status and is a potent emotional moment, it can still be rather jarring to see Po so easily forgive the genocidal dictator and would-be conqueror who massacred her his species with next to no reason to do so other than "letting go of pain." It comes across as borderline apathy to what Shen did, nearly. Po might just be one of the most forgiving characters in cinema.]]
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%%** "That goddamn peacock..."
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** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he overheard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, murdered his own men, and tried to take over China. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.

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** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he overheard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, murdered his own men, and tried to take over China. To top it all off in the movie itself, Po even gives Shen the second chance for redemption that many of Shen's fans think he deserves but Shen's only response is to make one last attempt to try to murder Po ''again''. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.

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narm is when something is unintentionally silly/comical, which this isn't an example of.


** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a *TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he over heard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered an innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, muredered his own men, and tried to take over China. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.

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** Lord Shen. Any surprise? He is painted as a *TragicVillain TragicVillain by many because of his insecurities and unsureness of what he wants to truly be happy. This is in spite of the fact he is also a genocidal tyrant who committed genocidal against the pandas for flimsy reasoning (he over heard overheard the Soothsayer's prophecy), raided villages for metal, murdered an innocents like Master Rhino, took over and oppressed his family's city, attempted to murder Po several times, muredered murdered his own men, and tried to take over China. Driving the point home further, he tends to get the {{Bishonen}} anthropomorphic treatment in fan art.



* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: You didn't really believe that Po was dead when Shen shot him with his cannon, did you? Because they wouldn't kill off the ''main character'' of the franchise. Likewise, he survives, thanks to a wok shielding him.

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: You didn't really believe that Po was dead when Shen shot him with his cannon, did you? Because they wouldn't kill off the ''main character'' of the franchise. Likewise, he survives, thanks to a wok shielding him.him, which is shown less than three minutes later.



* Narm: While its goes with his *AllLovingHero status and is a potent emotional moment, it can still be rather jarring to see Po so easily forgive the genocidal dictator and would-be conqueror who massacred her his species with next to no reason to do so other than "letting go of pain." It comes across as borderline apathy to what Shen did, nearly. Po might just be one of the most forgiving characters in cinema.
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Lord Shen is the Villain, it is clear that everything he did is wrong and the same movie says that he is a monster.


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: His DracoInLeatherPants treatment aside, the movie itself attempts to paint Lord Shen as a TragicVillain who feels "betrayed" by his parents for them exhiling him and is truly uncertain with what he wants in life. However, not only is he a genocidal dictator who massacred the pandas for shallow reasons (he heard a vague prophecy that he interpreted wrong) but he also raided villages for years, murdered innocents like Master Rhino, oppressed his city with his thugs, and attempted to conquer all of China, which he would likely rule with an iron fist. His parents' supposed 'betrayal' of him is exhiling Shen after he committed genocide! Exhiling Shen was actually the least harsh punishment they could have done; Shen's crimes were grounds to have him imprisoned for life or even executed. He got off relatively easy for what he did. Additionally, he seemed to have had a decent of luxury beforehand, seeing as his parents are stated to have loved him dearly, plus he lived in a fancy palace. He doesn't even have an understandable reason for what he did in the first place; dabbling in the darker side of gun powder is questionable as is, but he seemed so easily to be willing to commit genocide the second it seemed Shen would not get his way.

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