Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* BreatherBoss:
** The fights with Nena and ZZ following the battle with Hol Horse and J. Geil which [[spoiler: ended in Avdol's death.]] Both of these fights are much more comedic and don't really give the protagonists much difficulty. Especially lampshaded in the fight with Nena where Polnareff doesn't realize that he was interacting with one of DIO's henchmen until Nena dies.
** After the rather long fight with Steely Dan that nearly killed Joseph the next assassin the protagonists encounter is Arabia Fats. While the fight seems hopeless at first, it ends up being a pushover when Fats gives away the fact that he's hiding and after Jotaro throws a rock at him the sequence is over.
** The encounter with the Oingo Boingo Brothers after the nearly fatal encounter with N'Dhoul. Neither of the brothers attempt to fight the protagonists directly with Boingo not taking any action at all, and Oingo trying but his plans quickly working against him. In fact its Oingo who is ultimately HoistByHisOwnPetard doing himself in, and the protagonists don't even realize that someone was attempting to attack them.
** The protagonists find themselves in an intense string of consecutive encounters with Anubis, Mariah, Alessi, and Daniel J. D'Arby. What comes afterwards? Hol Horse and Boingo attempting to get revenge on the protagonists and failing epicly. Hol Horse at least tries to take action against the protagonists but none of them take him seriously and following Boingo's Stand doesn't do him any favors. Boingo on the other hand once again avoids the action but even then ends up getting attacked by Iggy as the result of an accident nonetheless.
** The fights with Nena and ZZ following the battle with Hol Horse and J. Geil which [[spoiler: ended in Avdol's death.]] Both of these fights are much more comedic and don't really give the protagonists much difficulty. Especially lampshaded in the fight with Nena where Polnareff doesn't realize that he was interacting with one of DIO's henchmen until Nena dies.
** After the rather long fight with Steely Dan that nearly killed Joseph the next assassin the protagonists encounter is Arabia Fats. While the fight seems hopeless at first, it ends up being a pushover when Fats gives away the fact that he's hiding and after Jotaro throws a rock at him the sequence is over.
** The encounter with the Oingo Boingo Brothers after the nearly fatal encounter with N'Dhoul. Neither of the brothers attempt to fight the protagonists directly with Boingo not taking any action at all, and Oingo trying but his plans quickly working against him. In fact its Oingo who is ultimately HoistByHisOwnPetard doing himself in, and the protagonists don't even realize that someone was attempting to attack them.
** The protagonists find themselves in an intense string of consecutive encounters with Anubis, Mariah, Alessi, and Daniel J. D'Arby. What comes afterwards? Hol Horse and Boingo attempting to get revenge on the protagonists and failing epicly. Hol Horse at least tries to take action against the protagonists but none of them take him seriously and following Boingo's Stand doesn't do him any favors. Boingo on the other hand once again avoids the action but even then ends up getting attacked by Iggy as the result of an accident nonetheless.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1 (click to see context) from:
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Some fans have speculated that Jotaro is on the Autism spectrum going off of how socially inept he was during his introduction.
to:
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Some fans have speculated that Jotaro is on the Autism spectrum going off of how socially inept he was during hisintroduction. introduction.
** When the D'Arby Brothers lose their composure (Daniel's anger over his name being mispronounced, Terrence panicking whenever someone get's a lead), are they just faking it to throw their opponents off balance? Or is that foreshadowing of their inevitable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s and in Terrence's case is it just him being kind of petty?
** Some fans have speculated that Jotaro is on the Autism spectrum going off of how socially inept he was during his
** When the D'Arby Brothers lose their composure (Daniel's anger over his name being mispronounced, Terrence panicking whenever someone get's a lead), are they just faking it to throw their opponents off balance? Or is that foreshadowing of their inevitable {{Villainous Breakdown}}s and in Terrence's case is it just him being kind of petty?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
** The original [=OVAs=] released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediasRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the [=OVAs=] did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
to:
** The original [=OVAs=] released in 1991 and 2000. Especially with the anime that aired in 2014, a lot of fans are left to debate over whether or not they still have a place in history or are expendable. Starting InMediasRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the [=OVAs=] did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, how Daniel D'Arby's battle was handled, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
* {{Narm}}: The English dub for the OVA. See SoBadItsGood below.
Changed line(s) 78,79 (click to see context) from:
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: How some fans have come to view the original OVAs thanks to the David Production anime. As seen in BrokenBase above, a lot of newer fans find the OVAs to be a weak adaptation of this part among problems with the more serious tone. However a lot of fans of the OVA often defend it by saying that at the time it was the best they could have gotten out of an anime.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.
to:
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: How some fans have come to view the original OVAs [=OVAs=] thanks to the David Production anime. As seen in BrokenBase above, a lot of newer fans find the OVAs [=OVAs=] to be a weak adaptation of this part among problems with the more serious tone. However a lot of fans of the OVA often defend it by saying that at the time it was the best they could have gotten out of an anime.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.anime.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.
* SoBadItsGood: The English dub for the OVA suffers from poor stiff acting, many of the characters having voices that sound similar despite being voiced by different actors, voices that don't fit some of the characters[[note]]Some feel this way about the Japanese version of the OVAs as well[[/note]], and sounding cheesy in general. However in spite of all of it's faults many have felt that for all of it's problems it comes off as unintentionally hilarious.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and DIO respectively.
Changed line(s) 117 (click to see context) from:
* TheWoobie: Polnareff, prior to the Part, his sister was murdered, driving him to seek for revenge. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:his closest friend died ''twice'' protecting him, both resulting in immense guilt.]]
to:
* TheWoobie: Polnareff, prior to the Part, his sister was murdered, driving him to seek for revenge. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:his closest friend died ''twice'' protecting him, both resulting in immense guilt.]]]]
* WTHCastingAgency: Many fans have this reaction towards Nobuo Tanaka's take on DIO in the OVA. A lot of fans felt that his voice wasn't deep enough for DIO especially compared to DIO's future actors. Though to be fair at the time there was no set standard for DIO's voice.... for the 1993 OVA at least.
* WTHCastingAgency: Many fans have this reaction towards Nobuo Tanaka's take on DIO in the OVA. A lot of fans felt that his voice wasn't deep enough for DIO especially compared to DIO's future actors. Though to be fair at the time there was no set standard for DIO's voice.... for the 1993 OVA at least.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Repetitive statements are repetitive
Deleted line(s) 7 (click to see context) :
* AmericansHateTingle: Due to the fact that the Part was the only one to be officially translated for the longest time, along with being the most [[WolverinePublicity obviously represented]], a number of western audience members don't enjoy it as much due to feeling it's [[HypeBacklash overhyped]], the story and its ideas [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny not coming off as original despite codifying a lot of them]], and [[BaseBreakingCharacter Jotaro]] feeling rather unlikable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AmericansHateTingle: Although ''Stardust Crusaders'' is by far the most popular part in Japan, Western fans tend to hold it in lesser regard, [[ExecutiveMeddling due to being the only part]] [[HypeBacklash marketed everywhere else]]. It is frequently considered to not have aged as well as many of the other parts, despite (or perhaps because of) it having [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny coined many of the tropes]] commonly seen in {{Shonen}} series today. Similarly, although Jotaro is the most iconic figure in the series in Japan, other fans perceive him as [[TheStoic bland]], [[NinetiesAntiHero uninteresting]], or even downright [[JerkAss unlikeable]] in comparison to most of the other protagonists.
* ArcFatigue:
** While all of the Stand arcs until ''Steel Ball Run'' get accused of this to some degree, ''Stardust Crusaders'' is considered the one that suffers the most due to having a extremely formulaic OnceAnEpisode MonsterOfTheWeek format against Stand users with little story relevance, not helped by the already-flimsy ExcusePlot. It becomes worse if you're not a huge fan of [[SpotlightStealingSquad Polnareff]] who takes up more screentime than Jotaro himself. It's alleviated briefly once the team reaches Egypt... only to resume the cycle once again. It doesn't help that ''SC'' is longer than Parts 1 and 2 ''combined''.
** Due to being extended quite a bit, the Egypt arc in the anime drags quite a bit, with a lot of random scenes with Iggy and other characters that don't really contribute much to anything.
* ArcFatigue:
** While all of the Stand arcs until ''Steel Ball Run'' get accused of this to some degree, ''Stardust Crusaders'' is considered the one that suffers the most due to having a extremely formulaic OnceAnEpisode MonsterOfTheWeek format against Stand users with little story relevance, not helped by the already-flimsy ExcusePlot. It becomes worse if you're not a huge fan of [[SpotlightStealingSquad Polnareff]] who takes up more screentime than Jotaro himself. It's alleviated briefly once the team reaches Egypt... only to resume the cycle once again. It doesn't help that ''SC'' is longer than Parts 1 and 2 ''combined''.
** Due to being extended quite a bit, the Egypt arc in the anime drags quite a bit, with a lot of random scenes with Iggy and other characters that don't really contribute much to anything.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AuthorsSavingThrow: [[spoiler:Avdol's]] death was supposed to lead into Hol Horse becoming one of the protagonists, but after thinking it over due to the former character's popularity and Hol Horse coming off as too similar to Polnareff, [[spoiler:Avdol's death was retconned into him FakingTheDead]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AmericansHateTingle: Due to the fact that the Part was the only one to be officially translated for the longest time, along with being the most [[WolverinePublicity obviously represented]], a number of western audience members don't enjoy it as much due to feeling it's [[HypeBacklash overhyped]], the story and its ideas [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny not coming off as original despite codifying a lot of them]], and [[BaseBreakingCharacter Jotaro]] feeling rather unlikable.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** J. Geil crossed it long before the story even started by raping and murdering Polnareff's sister.
Added DiffLines:
** Normally animals have no sense of morality, but animals given intelligence due to Stand Powers do. Case and point Pet Shop who kills two dogs in front of Dio's mansion and nearly proceeds to kill their innocent owner as well.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
* CreatorsPet: The part as a whole among Western companies. Creator/VizMedia licensed the manga before any other part including ''Phantom Blood'' and ''Battle Tendency'' and when {{Website/Crunchyroll}} announced their test dub it was for the first three episodes of the anime while it was still airing yet the 2012 anime had been long completed. Even in Japan, ''Eyes of Heaven'' included 12 playable characters from this part five of which were minor antagonists. On the other hand, ''Stone Ocean'', ''Steel Ball Run'', and ''Jojolion'' had less than half of that amount for their playable characters and fan favorites and major characters from those parts like Foo Fighters, Hot Pants, and Yasuho weren't playable.
to:
* CreatorsPet: The part as a whole among Western companies. Creator/VizMedia licensed the manga before any other part including ''Phantom Blood'' and ''Battle Tendency'' and when {{Website/Crunchyroll}} announced their test dub it was for the first three episodes of the anime while it was still airing yet the 2012 anime had been long completed. Even in Japan, ''Eyes of Heaven'' included 12 playable characters from this part where five of which were minor antagonists. On the other hand, ''Stone Ocean'', ''Steel Ball Run'', and ''Jojolion'' had less than half of that amount for their playable characters and fan favorites and major characters from those parts like Foo Fighters, Hot Pants, and Yasuho weren't playable.
Deleted line(s) 43,45 (click to see context) :
* HoYay:
** Jotaro/Kakyoin is this part's equivalent to Joseph/Caesar.
** Kakyoin/Polnareff considering how many fights the two share together in the first half.
** Jotaro/Kakyoin is this part's equivalent to Joseph/Caesar.
** Kakyoin/Polnareff considering how many fights the two share together in the first half.
Deleted line(s) 51 (click to see context) :
* LesYay: There is a small portion of the fandom that ships Midler/Mariah. Doubles as a CrackPairing since both characters expressed romantic interest in Dio alongside Jotaro and Joseph respectively.
Changed line(s) 78 (click to see context) from:
* ShipsThatPassTheNight:
to:
* ShipsThatPassTheNight:ShipsThatPassInTheNight:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* EvilIsCool: Pet Shop, a hawk that is every bit as depraved as Dio, Kira, and [[spoiler: Diavolo]]. In his brief screen time he mercilessly kills two dogs, has a powerful Stand that can summon ice, and comes close to killing Iggy. All of this coming from an animal... how is it not cool?
Changed line(s) 67 (click to see context) from:
* NeverLiveItDown: ''Stardust Crusaders'' is brutal when it comes to animal violence in this franchise. None of those incidents however are as infamous as [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death, which for many is the pinnacle of the animal violence in the franchise.]]
to:
* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
** ''Stardust Crusaders'' is brutal when it comes to animal violence in this franchise. None of those incidents however are as infamous as [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death, which for many is the pinnacle of the animal violence in the franchise.]]]]
** Pretty much everything about Kakyoin. He is known among the fandom for three things; an off-handed comment about Holly that some interpret as a crush, the infamous "rero! rero! rero!" cherry scene, and [[spoiler: getting killed by Dio with a "donut" in his stomach.]] Read most of the meme and shipping related tropes on this page.
** The censorship in the TV anime of all things is still talked about within the fandom. Not only did it do a poor job of hiding scenes of Jotaro smoking but left some things like a nude Ann and Mannish Boy's genitals uncensored.
** ''Stardust Crusaders'' is brutal when it comes to animal violence in this franchise. None of those incidents however are as infamous as [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death, which for many is the pinnacle of the animal violence in the franchise.
** Pretty much everything about Kakyoin. He is known among the fandom for three things; an off-handed comment about Holly that some interpret as a crush, the infamous "rero! rero! rero!" cherry scene, and [[spoiler: getting killed by Dio with a "donut" in his stomach.]] Read most of the meme and shipping related tropes on this page.
** The censorship in the TV anime of all things is still talked about within the fandom. Not only did it do a poor job of hiding scenes of Jotaro smoking but left some things like a nude Ann and Mannish Boy's genitals uncensored.
Added DiffLines:
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The original OVA which removed many of the VillainOfTheWeek battles and the signature humor of the series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
He is older
Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from:
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his state in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''.
to:
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his state in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''. Granted he is in his Elderly Years
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 46 (click to see context) from:
* IronWoobie: Kakyoin, having a FriendlessBackground as [[spoiler:he spent his whole childhood distancing himself from other people as he knows they won't be able to connect since they cannot see his stand. It was only until he met Jotaro and the others did he finally felt like he has people that he can truly bond with.]] Yet, he knows no hints of this until the chapter/episode where [[spoiler:he dies.]] His ImageSong ''Goodbye Nostalgia'' sums this up greatly.
to:
* IronWoobie: Kakyoin, having a FriendlessBackground as [[spoiler:he spent his whole childhood distancing himself from other people as he knows they won't be able to connect since they cannot see his stand. It was only until he met Jotaro and the others did he finally felt like he has people that he can truly bond with.]] Yet, he knows shows no hints of this until the chapter/episode where [[spoiler:he dies.]] His ImageSong ''Goodbye Nostalgia'' sums this up greatly.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Some fans have speculated that Jotaro is on the Autism spectrum going off of how socially inept he was during his introduction.
Added DiffLines:
* CreatorsPet: The part as a whole among Western companies. Creator/VizMedia licensed the manga before any other part including ''Phantom Blood'' and ''Battle Tendency'' and when {{Website/Crunchyroll}} announced their test dub it was for the first three episodes of the anime while it was still airing yet the 2012 anime had been long completed. Even in Japan, ''Eyes of Heaven'' included 12 playable characters from this part five of which were minor antagonists. On the other hand, ''Stone Ocean'', ''Steel Ball Run'', and ''Jojolion'' had less than half of that amount for their playable characters and fan favorites and major characters from those parts like Foo Fighters, Hot Pants, and Yasuho weren't playable.
Added DiffLines:
* FountainOfMemes: Kakyoin who the fandom portrays as a MemeticBadass, is frequently the subject of memetic shippings, and of course the famous "rero! rero! rero!"
Added DiffLines:
* ShipsThatPassTheNight:
** Kakyoin who is shipped with characters that he's never met like Caesar, Lisa Lisa, and Tomoko.
** Mariah/Midler, two characters who are not seen with each other in canon and have both expressed heterosexuality towards Dio, Joseph, and Jotaro.
** Kakyoin who is shipped with characters that he's never met like Caesar, Lisa Lisa, and Tomoko.
** Mariah/Midler, two characters who are not seen with each other in canon and have both expressed heterosexuality towards Dio, Joseph, and Jotaro.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 74 (click to see context) from:
** "Rero rero rero rero!"
to:
** Kakyoin licking a cherry.
--> "Rero rero rero rero!"
--> "Rero rero rero rero!"
** Dio's throwing knifes into Jotaro in stopped time. Then checking to see if he's dead.
--> " '''''[[GratuitousEnglish ROADA]] [[CallingYourAttacks ROLLA DA]]!!!''''' "
Changed line(s) 92 (click to see context) from:
** Jotaro beating the crap out of Steely Dan for multiple pages (20 whole seconds in the anime) was a much satisfying beatdown for the guy.
to:
** Jotaro beating the crap out of Steely Dan for multiple four pages (20 whole seconds in the anime) was a much satisfying beatdown for the guy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 2 (click to see context) from:
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his sate in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''.
to:
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his sate state in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 36 (click to see context) from:
** When the Oingo Boingo Brothers are introduced, there is a guy interested in Boingo's manga with a shirt that has the number 911. One of Boingo's manga panels predicts that he will die after a bus crash and slam into a telephone pole. In the background of the panel there is plane. This was in the early 90's pre-dating the tragedy that would occur on 9/11. Thankfully when the anime version aired, any resemblance to 9/11 was removed as the plane is no longer in the manga panel's background and the passerby doesn't wear a the "911" shirt.
to:
** When the Oingo Boingo Brothers are introduced, there is a guy interested in Boingo's manga with a shirt that has the number 911. One of Boingo's manga panels predicts that he will die after a bus crash and slam into a telephone pole. In the background of the panel there is plane. This was in the early 90's pre-dating the tragedy that would occur on 9/11. Thankfully when the anime version aired, any resemblance to 9/11 was removed as the plane is no longer in the manga panel's background and the passerby doesn't wear a the "911" shirt.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** Joseph's BadassDecay, is it justified since he's no longer the main character or does it tarnish his reputation gained from Battle Tendencies and make him to much of a JokeCharacter?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* CrackPairing: It is not uncommon to see fans shipping Kakyoin.... with himself!
Added DiffLines:
* HarsherInHindsight:
** When the Oingo Boingo Brothers are introduced, there is a guy interested in Boingo's manga with a shirt that has the number 911. One of Boingo's manga panels predicts that he will die after a bus crash and slam into a telephone pole. In the background of the panel there is plane. This was in the early 90's pre-dating the tragedy that would occur on 9/11. Thankfully when the anime version aired, any resemblance to 9/11 was removed as the plane is no longer in the manga panel's background and the passerby doesn't wear a the "911" shirt.
** While plotting their assassination attempt, Boingo's manga predicts that the orange bomb would blow up in Jotaro's face. However [[spoiler: the bomb ends up blowing up in the face of Oingo disguised as Jotaro.]] Come ''Stone Ocean'' [[spoiler: Jotaro would actually die by Pucci's hands in the exact same fashion that Thoth predicted.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: While in Japan, Joseph comments on how he hates Japanese tea. Come ''Diamond is Unbreakable'', there is a scene of him expressing a like for Japanese tea.
** When the Oingo Boingo Brothers are introduced, there is a guy interested in Boingo's manga with a shirt that has the number 911. One of Boingo's manga panels predicts that he will die after a bus crash and slam into a telephone pole. In the background of the panel there is plane. This was in the early 90's pre-dating the tragedy that would occur on 9/11. Thankfully when the anime version aired, any resemblance to 9/11 was removed as the plane is no longer in the manga panel's background and the passerby doesn't wear a the "911" shirt.
** While plotting their assassination attempt, Boingo's manga predicts that the orange bomb would blow up in Jotaro's face. However [[spoiler: the bomb ends up blowing up in the face of Oingo disguised as Jotaro.]] Come ''Stone Ocean'' [[spoiler: Jotaro would actually die by Pucci's hands in the exact same fashion that Thoth predicted.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: While in Japan, Joseph comments on how he hates Japanese tea. Come ''Diamond is Unbreakable'', there is a scene of him expressing a like for Japanese tea.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* MemeticBystander: One of the people Dio has Senator Wilson Phillips run over resembles Waldo form the children's book series "Where's Waldo". He has been dubbed "Wally" by many fans, and some have even edited the [[spoiler: scene where Joseph and Jotaro gaze into the sky before they leave Egypt to include him alongside Kakyoin, Avdol, and Iggy.]]
Added DiffLines:
* SignatureScene:
** Jotaro demonstrating his Stand's existence by attempting to shoot himself in the head.
** The epic pose Jotaro, Joseph, Avdol, and Kakyoin make as they are about to leave for Egypt.
** "Rero rero rero rero!"
** [[spoiler: Avdol's first "death" at the hands of Hol Horse and J. Geil.]]
** Jotaro's epic beatdown of Steely Dan.
** [[spoiler: Avdol's return during Polnareff's fight with Cameo.]]
** Iggy farting in Polnareff's face.
** Jotaro tossing Iggy at N'Dhoul.
** Joseph ogling Mariah as she draws him in with Bastet.
** De-Aged Jotaro sending Alessi flying after a beatdown.
** The entire gambling match with Daniel J. D'Arby.
** Pet Shop's murder of the two dogs in front of Dio's mansion.
** Terence T. D'Arby using his Stand to predict if Jotaro will beat him up, followed by Jotaro beating him up.
** [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death.]]
** [[spoiler: Polnareff's final farewell to Avdol and Iggy.]]
** Dio forcing Senator Wilson Phillips to drive over civilians.
** [[spoiler: Dio killing Kakyoin with The World, and Kakyoin's DyingMomentOfAwesome.]]
** Dio attempting to crush Jotaro with a steamroller.
** Jotaro demonstrating his Stand's existence by attempting to shoot himself in the head.
** The epic pose Jotaro, Joseph, Avdol, and Kakyoin make as they are about to leave for Egypt.
** "Rero rero rero rero!"
** [[spoiler: Avdol's first "death" at the hands of Hol Horse and J. Geil.]]
** Jotaro's epic beatdown of Steely Dan.
** [[spoiler: Avdol's return during Polnareff's fight with Cameo.]]
** Iggy farting in Polnareff's face.
** Jotaro tossing Iggy at N'Dhoul.
** Joseph ogling Mariah as she draws him in with Bastet.
** De-Aged Jotaro sending Alessi flying after a beatdown.
** The entire gambling match with Daniel J. D'Arby.
** Pet Shop's murder of the two dogs in front of Dio's mansion.
** Terence T. D'Arby using his Stand to predict if Jotaro will beat him up, followed by Jotaro beating him up.
** [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death.]]
** [[spoiler: Polnareff's final farewell to Avdol and Iggy.]]
** Dio forcing Senator Wilson Phillips to drive over civilians.
** [[spoiler: Dio killing Kakyoin with The World, and Kakyoin's DyingMomentOfAwesome.]]
** Dio attempting to crush Jotaro with a steamroller.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* BadassDecay:
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his sate in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''.
** Hol Horse in his first appearance [[spoiler: kills Avdol]] and alongside J. Geil proves to be a threat for Polnareff and Kakyoin. Every appearance afterward... the guy is basically reduced to a walking joke. In his next appearance he unknowingly walks in on Enya fighting Jotaro and Polnareff and without standing up to her whatsoever, is affected by her Stand and is left helplessly laying on the floor as Enya repeatedly stabs him. Following that, he tries to assassinate Dio only for the attempt to unsurprisingly fail, and then finds himself teaming up with Boingo where he's beaten up by a random passing by woman, is caught with his finger up Polnareff's nose at the worst time, and has his plan to get rid of all the protagonists backfire on him.
** Sadly Joseph suffers from this trope in this part. Despite defeating the Pillar Men in ''Battle Tendency'', Joseph hardly gets any action in this part and his Stand isn't even one that is used for fighting. In fact Hamon, his only method of combat is only used once and doesn't really get him anywhere. Especially in the first half, he frequently finds himself getting pushed around by Dio's henchmen, and let's not begin to talk about his sate in ''Diamond is Unbreakable''.
** Hol Horse in his first appearance [[spoiler: kills Avdol]] and alongside J. Geil proves to be a threat for Polnareff and Kakyoin. Every appearance afterward... the guy is basically reduced to a walking joke. In his next appearance he unknowingly walks in on Enya fighting Jotaro and Polnareff and without standing up to her whatsoever, is affected by her Stand and is left helplessly laying on the floor as Enya repeatedly stabs him. Following that, he tries to assassinate Dio only for the attempt to unsurprisingly fail, and then finds himself teaming up with Boingo where he's beaten up by a random passing by woman, is caught with his finger up Polnareff's nose at the worst time, and has his plan to get rid of all the protagonists backfire on him.
Added DiffLines:
* EvilIsSexy:
** Dio thanks to his upgrade to FashionVictimVillain.
** Among Dio's henchmen, Mariah and Midler for the male fans and the D'Arby brothers for female fans.
** Dio thanks to his upgrade to FashionVictimVillain.
** Among Dio's henchmen, Mariah and Midler for the male fans and the D'Arby brothers for female fans.
Added DiffLines:
* HoYay:
** Jotaro/Kakyoin is this part's equivalent to Joseph/Caesar.
** Kakyoin/Polnareff considering how many fights the two share together in the first half.
** Jotaro/Kakyoin is this part's equivalent to Joseph/Caesar.
** Kakyoin/Polnareff considering how many fights the two share together in the first half.
Added DiffLines:
* JerkassWoobie:
** Hol Horse in spite of being one of Dio's henchmen is a pretty unlucky guy. Unlike most of Dio's henchmen who swore eternally loyalty towards him or allied themselves to give justification for their atrocities, Hol Horse [[PunchClockVillain just saw his partnership with Dio as just another job.]] As seen in BadassDecay above, he not only finds himself getting badgered by the protagonists but even Dio's other henchmen such as when Enya beats him up, and even Dio himself who sees Hol Horse as the weakest link among his henchmen. And to top it all off, his final attempt at trying to defeat the protagonists goes horribly wrong.
** N'Dhoul grew up as a beggar who was sworn into evil as crime was the only way he could survive in the world. When he met Dio he finally found someone who he could relate to. In short, N'Dhoul is someone whose evil simply because its the only thing he knows, and even Jotaro acknowledges that he could have been better than this.
* LesYay: There is a small portion of the fandom that ships Midler/Mariah. Doubles as a CrackPairing since both characters expressed romantic interest in Dio alongside Jotaro and Joseph respectively.
** Hol Horse in spite of being one of Dio's henchmen is a pretty unlucky guy. Unlike most of Dio's henchmen who swore eternally loyalty towards him or allied themselves to give justification for their atrocities, Hol Horse [[PunchClockVillain just saw his partnership with Dio as just another job.]] As seen in BadassDecay above, he not only finds himself getting badgered by the protagonists but even Dio's other henchmen such as when Enya beats him up, and even Dio himself who sees Hol Horse as the weakest link among his henchmen. And to top it all off, his final attempt at trying to defeat the protagonists goes horribly wrong.
** N'Dhoul grew up as a beggar who was sworn into evil as crime was the only way he could survive in the world. When he met Dio he finally found someone who he could relate to. In short, N'Dhoul is someone whose evil simply because its the only thing he knows, and even Jotaro acknowledges that he could have been better than this.
* LesYay: There is a small portion of the fandom that ships Midler/Mariah. Doubles as a CrackPairing since both characters expressed romantic interest in Dio alongside Jotaro and Joseph respectively.
Added DiffLines:
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Avdol, Iggy, Kakyoin, N'Dhoul, and even Dio!]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 10,11 (click to see context) from:
** Dio gets its as much as he did in ''Phantom Blood''. Made even more apparent due to him becoming a FashionVictimVillain.
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Doul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Doul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
to:
** Dio DIO gets its as much as he did in ''Phantom Blood''. Made even more apparent due to him becoming a FashionVictimVillain.
** Some ofDio's DIO's henchmen like Midler, N'Doul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
** Some of
Changed line(s) 16 (click to see context) from:
** Some of Dio's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Doul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop. 4 of the mentioned villains are playable in ''[[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven Eyes of Heaven]]'', while D'Arby The Elder appears in Story mode as a boss.
to:
** Some of Dio's DIO's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Doul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop. 4 of the mentioned villains are playable in ''[[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven Eyes of Heaven]]'', while D'Arby The Elder appears in Story mode as a boss.
Changed line(s) 35 (click to see context) from:
** "It's finally a Friday..." "Yes...finally here..." "Friday..." [[labelnote: Explanation]]Born on Tumblr involving the release of a new episode of the Part 3 anime every Friday. Usually on that day is a reblog of the 3 panel comic of Joseph, Polnareff and Jotaro remarking on today being a Friday, said comic being a textedit of them remarking on having finally arrived in Egypt. There's also been edits poking fun at the meme as well. Nowadays the most used is "It's finally a Friday..." cue Dio shouting "[[TimeStandsStill ZA WARUDO!]]" and Jotaro freezing in place.[[/labelnote]]
to:
** "It's finally a Friday..." "Yes...finally here..." "Friday..." [[labelnote: Explanation]]Born on Tumblr involving the release of a new episode of the Part 3 anime every Friday. Usually on that day is a reblog of the 3 panel comic of Joseph, Polnareff and Jotaro remarking on today being a Friday, said comic being a textedit of them remarking on having finally arrived in Egypt. There's also been edits poking fun at the meme as well. Nowadays the most used is "It's finally a Friday..." cue Dio DIO shouting "[[TimeStandsStill ZA WARUDO!]]" and Jotaro freezing in place.[[/labelnote]]
Changed line(s) 43 (click to see context) from:
** Vanilla Ice crosses it after [[spoiler: he repeatedly kicks Iggy to death after Iggy made him destroy a sand replica of Dio. Do keep in mind that he already killed Avdol before he did this.]]
to:
** Vanilla Ice crosses it after [[spoiler: he repeatedly kicks Iggy to death after Iggy made him destroy a sand replica of Dio.DIO. Do keep in mind that he already killed Avdol before he did this.]]
Changed line(s) 46,47 (click to see context) from:
** Ann the runaway girl despite only appearing in the early arcs, frequently got the protagonists into trouble with Dio's henchmen and didn't really do anything useful for the group. Alleviated however when Jospeh brought her a plane ticket back home and she was removed from the story.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then, Dio '''ALREADY''' paid him. Vaguely Recalling [=JoJo's=] Bizarre Adventure even lampshades his crudeness as '''DIO''' is even afraid of him.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then, Dio '''ALREADY''' paid him. Vaguely Recalling [=JoJo's=] Bizarre Adventure even lampshades his crudeness as '''DIO''' is even afraid of him.
to:
** Ann the runaway girl despite only appearing in the early arcs, frequently got the protagonists into trouble with Dio's DIO's henchmen and didn't really do anything useful for the group. Alleviated however when Jospeh brought her a plane ticket back home and she was removed from the story.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then,Dio DIO '''ALREADY''' paid him. Vaguely Recalling [=JoJo's=] Bizarre Adventure even lampshades his crudeness as '''DIO''' is even afraid of him.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then,
Changed line(s) 49 (click to see context) from:
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio respectively.
to:
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio DIO respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* MoralEventHorizon:
** For the protagonists at least, Steely Dan crossed it for his [[spoiler: merciless murder of Enya.]]
** Vanilla Ice crosses it after [[spoiler: he repeatedly kicks Iggy to death after Iggy made him destroy a sand replica of Dio. Do keep in mind that he already killed Avdol before he did this.]]
* NeverLiveItDown: ''Stardust Crusaders'' is brutal when it comes to animal violence in this franchise. None of those incidents however are as infamous as [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death, which for many is the pinnacle of the animal violence in the franchise.]]
* TheScrappy:
** Ann the runaway girl despite only appearing in the early arcs, frequently got the protagonists into trouble with Dio's henchmen and didn't really do anything useful for the group. Alleviated however when Jospeh brought her a plane ticket back home and she was removed from the story.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then, Dio '''ALREADY''' paid him. Vaguely Recalling [=JoJo's=] Bizarre Adventure even lampshades his crudeness as '''DIO''' is even afraid of him.
** For the protagonists at least, Steely Dan crossed it for his [[spoiler: merciless murder of Enya.]]
** Vanilla Ice crosses it after [[spoiler: he repeatedly kicks Iggy to death after Iggy made him destroy a sand replica of Dio. Do keep in mind that he already killed Avdol before he did this.]]
* NeverLiveItDown: ''Stardust Crusaders'' is brutal when it comes to animal violence in this franchise. None of those incidents however are as infamous as [[spoiler: Vanilla Ice repeatedly kicking Iggy to death, which for many is the pinnacle of the animal violence in the franchise.]]
* TheScrappy:
** Ann the runaway girl despite only appearing in the early arcs, frequently got the protagonists into trouble with Dio's henchmen and didn't really do anything useful for the group. Alleviated however when Jospeh brought her a plane ticket back home and she was removed from the story.
** Steely Dan is one of the most insufferable minor antagonists in the series. [[spoiler: Mercilessly killing Enya aside,]] the guy tries to kill Joseph just because it amuses him, and forces Jotaro to do many petty tasks for him even framing him for shoplifting. He also ends up being a case of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot since before Joataro beats him up, he tells him that he was only paid to [[spoiler: kill Enya]] and even then, Dio '''ALREADY''' paid him. Vaguely Recalling [=JoJo's=] Bizarre Adventure even lampshades his crudeness as '''DIO''' is even afraid of him.
Added DiffLines:
* TakeThatScrappy:
** While not a physical example, Joseph buying a plane ticket home for Ann to get her off the protagonists' back was a relief for most viewers.
** Jotaro beating the crap out of Steely Dan for multiple pages (20 whole seconds in the anime) was a much satisfying beatdown for the guy.
** While not a physical example, Joseph buying a plane ticket home for Ann to get her off the protagonists' back was a relief for most viewers.
** Jotaro beating the crap out of Steely Dan for multiple pages (20 whole seconds in the anime) was a much satisfying beatdown for the guy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
* IronWoobie: Kakyoin, having a FriendlessBackground as [[spoiler:he spent his whole childhood distancing himself from other people as he knows they won't be able to connect since they cannot see his stand. It was only until he met Jotaro and the others did he finally felt like he can bond with.]] Yet, he knows no hints of this until the chapter/episode where [[spoiler:he dies.]] His ImageSong ''Goodbye Nostalgia'' sums this up greatly.
to:
* IronWoobie: Kakyoin, having a FriendlessBackground as [[spoiler:he spent his whole childhood distancing himself from other people as he knows they won't be able to connect since they cannot see his stand. It was only until he met Jotaro and the others did he finally felt like he has people that he can truly bond with.]] Yet, he knows no hints of this until the chapter/episode where [[spoiler:he dies.]] His ImageSong ''Goodbye Nostalgia'' sums this up greatly.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
just fixing some grammar and editing errors
Changed line(s) 2 (click to see context) from:
** Jotaro Kujo, the titular [[=JoJo=]] of this arc gets this in spades, especially amongst [[AmericansHateTingle western fans]]. Many fans love Jotaro for his sheer badassery in fights, his ability to keep a cool head even in intense moments, and just for being one of the coolest of the [[==JoJo's==]]. However the other half of the fanbase who find his [[TheStoic stoic]] personally boring, think he wins fights [[MartySue a little to easily]] and that at times he can be just plain unlikeable. It doesn't help that, due to Stardust Crusaders being the series most recognisable part, Jotaro is almost always guaranteed to appear more often then any of the other protagonists.
to:
** Jotaro Kujo, the titular [[=JoJo=]] [=JoJo=] of this arc gets this in spades, especially amongst [[AmericansHateTingle western fans]]. Many fans love Jotaro for his sheer badassery in fights, his ability to keep a cool head even in intense moments, and just for being one of the coolest of the [[==JoJo's==]]. [=JoJo's=]. However the other half of the fanbase who find his [[TheStoic stoic]] personally boring, think he wins fights [[MartySue [[MartyStu a little to easily]] and that at times he can be just plain unlikeable. unlikable. It doesn't help that, due to Stardust Crusaders being the series most recognisable recognizable part, [[WolverinePublicity Jotaro is almost always guaranteed to appear more often then any of the other protagonists.protagonists]].
* FanPreferredCouple: Jotaro/Kakyoin is probably one of the most, if not, ''the most'' popular ship in the whole series. Doesn't help that Creator/{{CLAMP}} has made a lot of fanworks depicting them as a couple, one of them leading to MemeticMutation. (See below)
Changed line(s) 21 (click to see context) from:
** Terence D'Arby, after taking Kakyoin's soul and storing into a doll, begins to start touching him suggestively while taunting Jotaro and Joseph.
to:
** Terence D'Arby, after taking Kakyoin's soul and storing into a doll, begins to start touching touch him suggestively while taunting Jotaro and Joseph.
* IronWoobie: Kakyoin, having a FriendlessBackground as [[spoiler:he spent his whole childhood distancing himself from other people as he knows they won't be able to connect since they cannot see his stand. It was only until he met Jotaro and the others did he finally felt like he can bond with.]] Yet, he knows no hints of this until the chapter/episode where [[spoiler:he dies.]] His ImageSong ''Goodbye Nostalgia'' sums this up greatly.
* ShipMates: A lot of fans who ship Jotaro/Kakyoin also ship Polnareff/Avdol with an occasion of headcanoning Joseph having a former relationship with Caesar.
Changed line(s) 46 (click to see context) from:
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Alessi had a Stand that could turn people into younger versions of themselves. There just so happened to be a CoolOldGuy among the Crusaders who kicked a lot of ass in his youth, as documented in ''Battle Tendency''. Too bad Alessi ended up getting pounded into hamburger by Jotaro and Polnareff before he came across Joseph. For what it's worth, ''[[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture Heritage for the Future]]'' explored this scenario with Joseph's Story, though it was more of an ExcusePlot than anything.
to:
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Alessi had a Stand that could turn people into younger versions of themselves. There just so happened to be a CoolOldGuy among the Crusaders who kicked a lot of ass in his youth, as documented in ''Battle Tendency''. Too bad Alessi ended up getting pounded into hamburger by Jotaro and Polnareff before he came across Joseph. For what it's worth, ''[[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture Heritage for the Future]]'' explored this scenario with Joseph's Story, though it was more of an ExcusePlot than anything.anything.
* TheWoobie: Polnareff, prior to the Part, his sister was murdered, driving him to seek for revenge. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:his closest friend died ''twice'' protecting him, both resulting in immense guilt.]]
* TheWoobie: Polnareff, prior to the Part, his sister was murdered, driving him to seek for revenge. If that's not enough, [[spoiler:his closest friend died ''twice'' protecting him, both resulting in immense guilt.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Jotaro Kujo, the titular [[=JoJo=]] of this arc gets this in spades, especially amongst [[AmericansHateTingle western fans]]. Many fans love Jotaro for his sheer badassery in fights, his ability to keep a cool head even in intense moments, and just for being one of the coolest of the [[==JoJo's==]]. However the other half of the fanbase who find his [[TheStoic stoic]] personally boring, think he wins fights [[MartySue a little to easily]] and that at times he can be just plain unlikeable. It doesn't help that, due to Stardust Crusaders being the series most recognisable part, Jotaro is almost always guaranteed to appear more often then any of the other protagonists.
** Jean-Pierre Polnareff is probably one of the most controversial supporting protagonists of the series due to being the only main character with a story arc in a very [[VillainOfTheWeek episodic part]] and for appearing almost as many times (if not more) then Jotaro. Some fans find Polnareff a very endearing character whose search for his sisters killer make him an IronWoobie of the highest calibre, find his ButtMonkey antics very amusing, and enjoy his fights. Others however think that he takes up [[SpotlightStealingSquad far to much screen time]] with many wishing that less time could be spend on him and more on [[EnsembleDarkhorse Kakyoin and Avdol]].
** Jotaro Kujo, the titular [[=JoJo=]] of this arc gets this in spades, especially amongst [[AmericansHateTingle western fans]]. Many fans love Jotaro for his sheer badassery in fights, his ability to keep a cool head even in intense moments, and just for being one of the coolest of the [[==JoJo's==]]. However the other half of the fanbase who find his [[TheStoic stoic]] personally boring, think he wins fights [[MartySue a little to easily]] and that at times he can be just plain unlikeable. It doesn't help that, due to Stardust Crusaders being the series most recognisable part, Jotaro is almost always guaranteed to appear more often then any of the other protagonists.
** Jean-Pierre Polnareff is probably one of the most controversial supporting protagonists of the series due to being the only main character with a story arc in a very [[VillainOfTheWeek episodic part]] and for appearing almost as many times (if not more) then Jotaro. Some fans find Polnareff a very endearing character whose search for his sisters killer make him an IronWoobie of the highest calibre, find his ButtMonkey antics very amusing, and enjoy his fights. Others however think that he takes up [[SpotlightStealingSquad far to much screen time]] with many wishing that less time could be spend on him and more on [[EnsembleDarkhorse Kakyoin and Avdol]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from:
** The original [=OVAs=] released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the [=OVAs=] did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
to:
** The original [=OVAs=] released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, InMediasRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the [=OVAs=] did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 33 (click to see context) from:
** Jotaro's occupation as a Marine Biologist has lead many to imagine that Jotaro has an intense fondness for Dolphins. This has lead to much fanart and edits of Jotaro with Dolphins, or jokes that he is even [[BestialityIsDepraved zoophilic]].
to:
** Jotaro's occupation as a Marine Biologist combined with the rather conspicuous dolphin-themed ornaments on one of his outfits in ''Diamond is Unbreakable'' has lead many to imagine that Jotaro has an intense fondness for Dolphins.dolphins. This has lead to much fanart and edits of Jotaro with Dolphins, or jokes that he is even [[BestialityIsDepraved zoophilic]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from:
** The original OVAs released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the OVAs did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
to:
** The original OVAs [=OVAs=] released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the OVAs [=OVAs=] did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
Changed line(s) 8 (click to see context) from:
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Dhoul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
to:
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Dhoul, N'Doul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
Changed line(s) 11 (click to see context) from:
** Noriaki Kakyoin has become one of the most popular supporting protagonists in the entire franchise thanks to MemeticMutation and becoming a LauncherOfAThousandShips.
to:
** Noriaki Kakyoin has become one of the most popular supporting protagonists in the entire franchise thanks to MemeticMutation and becoming a LauncherOfAThousandShips.LauncherOfAThousandShips (See below).
Changed line(s) 13 (click to see context) from:
** Some of Dio's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Dhoul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop.
to:
** Some of Dio's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Dhoul, N'Doul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop.Shop. 4 of the mentioned villains are playable in ''[[VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven Eyes of Heaven]]'', while D'Arby The Elder appears in Story mode as a boss.
* FoeYay: Having frequent [[VillainOfTheWeek Villain of the Weeks]], this is inevitable.
** Midler expressing interest in Jotaro and the rest of the cast deciding to use that to their advantage, only to anger Midler as a result.
** Mariah said that she would be dating Joseph if not for already having eyes for DIO.
** Terence D'Arby, after taking Kakyoin's soul and storing into a doll, begins to start touching him suggestively while taunting Jotaro and Joseph.
** The anime-exclusive flashback scene where Kakyoin gets his fleshbud from DIO, where it consists of rose vines wrapping around his legs and DIO whispering seductively into his ear while fondling with his earring.
** Midler expressing interest in Jotaro and the rest of the cast deciding to use that to their advantage, only to anger Midler as a result.
** Mariah said that she would be dating Joseph if not for already having eyes for DIO.
** Terence D'Arby, after taking Kakyoin's soul and storing into a doll, begins to start touching him suggestively while taunting Jotaro and Joseph.
** The anime-exclusive flashback scene where Kakyoin gets his fleshbud from DIO, where it consists of rose vines wrapping around his legs and DIO whispering seductively into his ear while fondling with his earring.
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Kakyoin, especially in Japan, where it goes as far as him getting shipped with [[ScrewYourself himself]] and [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight characters that he has never met]], which includes [[CrackPairing characters outside of part 3]].
Changed line(s) 31 (click to see context) from:
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio respectively.
to:
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio respectively.respectively.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Hol Horse, who had signs of strongly considering a HeelFaceTurn, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen and even would have had Avdol not returned]], and is generally one of the more popular minor villains in the series. Instead, he suffers heavily from (admittedly hilarious) BadassDecay.
** While Noriaki Kakyoin was a major ally for a good chunk of the story, he was hit hard with this during the Egypt section of Part 3, being PutOnABus to recover until [[BackForTheDead the Crusaders were heading into DIO's place.]] He gets set up to have a cool fight against Terence, [[HopeSpot but]] ends up losing and generally doing nothing more of significance [[spoiler:except for leaving a DyingClue.]]
*** At least the anime adds some scene that gives him some development, such as flashbacks. And if his image song "Goodbye Nostalgia" is anything to go by, may have had a low view on himself.
** Muhammad Avdol gets it even worse. After recruiting Polnareff, he was PutOnABus when the Crusaders reached India (fairly early in the story) and only returned by the end of the Judgment arc. He doesn't do much of significance upon his return, and he only has two fights afterwards; one shared with Joseph and the other [[spoiler:is barely even a fight since he ended up being killed by Vanilla Ice in one shot.]] And all of this is an ''improvement'' on the original gameplan, that he would've just straight died in India and been replaced with his killer. All in all, it's pretty clear that Araki had no clue what else to do with the poor guy.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Alessi had a Stand that could turn people into younger versions of themselves. There just so happened to be a CoolOldGuy among the Crusaders who kicked a lot of ass in his youth, as documented in ''Battle Tendency''. Too bad Alessi ended up getting pounded into hamburger by Jotaro and Polnareff before he came across Joseph. For what it's worth, ''[[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture Heritage for the Future]]'' explored this scenario with Joseph's Story, though it was more of an ExcusePlot than anything.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Hol Horse, who had signs of strongly considering a HeelFaceTurn, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen and even would have had Avdol not returned]], and is generally one of the more popular minor villains in the series. Instead, he suffers heavily from (admittedly hilarious) BadassDecay.
** While Noriaki Kakyoin was a major ally for a good chunk of the story, he was hit hard with this during the Egypt section of Part 3, being PutOnABus to recover until [[BackForTheDead the Crusaders were heading into DIO's place.]] He gets set up to have a cool fight against Terence, [[HopeSpot but]] ends up losing and generally doing nothing more of significance [[spoiler:except for leaving a DyingClue.]]
*** At least the anime adds some scene that gives him some development, such as flashbacks. And if his image song "Goodbye Nostalgia" is anything to go by, may have had a low view on himself.
** Muhammad Avdol gets it even worse. After recruiting Polnareff, he was PutOnABus when the Crusaders reached India (fairly early in the story) and only returned by the end of the Judgment arc. He doesn't do much of significance upon his return, and he only has two fights afterwards; one shared with Joseph and the other [[spoiler:is barely even a fight since he ended up being killed by Vanilla Ice in one shot.]] And all of this is an ''improvement'' on the original gameplan, that he would've just straight died in India and been replaced with his killer. All in all, it's pretty clear that Araki had no clue what else to do with the poor guy.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Alessi had a Stand that could turn people into younger versions of themselves. There just so happened to be a CoolOldGuy among the Crusaders who kicked a lot of ass in his youth, as documented in ''Battle Tendency''. Too bad Alessi ended up getting pounded into hamburger by Jotaro and Polnareff before he came across Joseph. For what it's worth, ''[[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture Heritage for the Future]]'' explored this scenario with Joseph's Story, though it was more of an ExcusePlot than anything.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* BrokenBase:
** The VillainOfTheWeek format has really divided fans in regards to this part. Some like it since it allows the story to move fast and introduces a colorful variety of enemies. Others felt it ended up getting repetitive after awhile (especially in the first half) alongside of the fact that not many of the minor villains were very interesting.
** The original OVAs released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the OVAs did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
** The English dub removing the accents from the dubs of ''Phantom Blood'' and ''Battle Tendency''. For some they were the weakest part of those dubs and removing them was for the better while for others the accents made the dub more fun and removing them wasn't as good an idea.
** Some fans have actually debated over whether or not Iggy's original design or later design is better.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Dio gets its as much as he did in ''Phantom Blood''. Made even more apparent due to him becoming a FashionVictimVillain.
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Dhoul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** Mohammed Avdol to the point where [[spoiler: he was brought back after supposedly dying due to his popularity.]]
** Noriaki Kakyoin has become one of the most popular supporting protagonists in the entire franchise thanks to MemeticMutation and becoming a LauncherOfAThousandShips.
** Thanks to the anime, Iggy has started getting a lot of attention among the fandom due to the anime adding in extra scenes involving him and [[spoiler: his HeroicSacrifice]] during the fight with Vanilla Ice.
** Some of Dio's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Dhoul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop.
** Due to the Capcom fighting game, Midler has a sizable following among the long time fans with Araki giving her an attractive redesign.
* GrowingTheBeard:
** Many feel that ''Stardust Crusaders'' is where the franchise began to show it's true colors by embracing its own absurdity and the introduction of Stands allowing for more creative battles.
** For ''Stardust Crusaders'' itself, a lot of people seem to agree that the Egypt arc is where it really picked up due to introducing more interesting minor villains and having some of the most memorable fights in the franchise.
** The VillainOfTheWeek format has really divided fans in regards to this part. Some like it since it allows the story to move fast and introduces a colorful variety of enemies. Others felt it ended up getting repetitive after awhile (especially in the first half) alongside of the fact that not many of the minor villains were very interesting.
** The original OVAs released in 1991 and 2000. Starting InMediaRes, cutting out many of the VillainOfTheWeek fights, and the more serious tone did go over well with some fans. However the OVAs did have a few accolades such as cutting out some of the less important fights, and having an episode directed by Creator/SatoshiKon.
** The English dub removing the accents from the dubs of ''Phantom Blood'' and ''Battle Tendency''. For some they were the weakest part of those dubs and removing them was for the better while for others the accents made the dub more fun and removing them wasn't as good an idea.
** Some fans have actually debated over whether or not Iggy's original design or later design is better.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Dio gets its as much as he did in ''Phantom Blood''. Made even more apparent due to him becoming a FashionVictimVillain.
** Some of Dio's henchmen like Midler, N'Dhoul, Mariah, and the D'Arby Brothers have their evil qualities toned down in fan works.
* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** Mohammed Avdol to the point where [[spoiler: he was brought back after supposedly dying due to his popularity.]]
** Noriaki Kakyoin has become one of the most popular supporting protagonists in the entire franchise thanks to MemeticMutation and becoming a LauncherOfAThousandShips.
** Thanks to the anime, Iggy has started getting a lot of attention among the fandom due to the anime adding in extra scenes involving him and [[spoiler: his HeroicSacrifice]] during the fight with Vanilla Ice.
** Some of Dio's henchmen have gained strong followings among the fandom notably, Hol Horse, N'Dhoul, the Oingo Boingo Brothers, Mariah, the D'Arby Brothers, and Pet Shop.
** Due to the Capcom fighting game, Midler has a sizable following among the long time fans with Araki giving her an attractive redesign.
* GrowingTheBeard:
** Many feel that ''Stardust Crusaders'' is where the franchise began to show it's true colors by embracing its own absurdity and the introduction of Stands allowing for more creative battles.
** For ''Stardust Crusaders'' itself, a lot of people seem to agree that the Egypt arc is where it really picked up due to introducing more interesting minor villains and having some of the most memorable fights in the franchise.
Changed line(s) 12 (click to see context) from:
*** The Japanese fanbase for Jojo has a similar meme, but for [[http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/161/636/35f.jpg starfish instead]].
to:
*** The Japanese fanbase for Jojo has a similar meme, but for [[http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/161/636/35f.jpg starfish instead]].instead]].
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: How some fans have come to view the original OVAs thanks to the David Production anime. As seen in BrokenBase above, a lot of newer fans find the OVAs to be a weak adaptation of this part among problems with the more serious tone. However a lot of fans of the OVA often defend it by saying that at the time it was the best they could have gotten out of an anime.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio respectively.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: How some fans have come to view the original OVAs thanks to the David Production anime. As seen in BrokenBase above, a lot of newer fans find the OVAs to be a weak adaptation of this part among problems with the more serious tone. However a lot of fans of the OVA often defend it by saying that at the time it was the best they could have gotten out of an anime.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Despite the dub currently only being a three episode test, the general response towards it was very positive. In particular many dub fans have praised Creator/RichardEpcar and Creator/PatrickSeitz as being perfect choices for Joseph and Dio respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
*MemeticMutation:
** Because of a comment he made regarding his admiration of Jotaro's mother Holly, it's common on most sites to portray [[LikesOlderWomen Noriaki Kakyoin]] has having a sexual preference for mothers.
*** That comment, paired with his infamous [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ-g0BdpbDM "RERO RERO]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnyThing RERO]]." turned Kakyoin into a memetic MILF god (Ironically, part of the video linked to is of Steely Dan/Rubber Soul in his [[PaperThinDisguise poorly done Kakyoin disguise]].)
*** Given a couple of anime added lines about the hotness of both Josuke's and Shigechi's mothers, it seems Okuyasu is inheriting the MILF loving throne.
** Polnareff's Bizarre Adventure[[labelnote: Explanation]]An observation about Stardust Crusaders that a lot of chapters focused more on Polnareff than the titular Jojos.[[/labelnote]].
** [[spoiler:Kakyoin]] dies.[[labelnote:Explanation]] A troll comment to anime-only watchers and those who are preparing to read the manga. Many other characters are often used instead but [[spoiler:Kakyoin]] is the most common one.[[/labelnote]]
** "It's finally a Friday..." "Yes...finally here..." "Friday..." [[labelnote: Explanation]]Born on Tumblr involving the release of a new episode of the Part 3 anime every Friday. Usually on that day is a reblog of the 3 panel comic of Joseph, Polnareff and Jotaro remarking on today being a Friday, said comic being a textedit of them remarking on having finally arrived in Egypt. There's also been edits poking fun at the meme as well. Nowadays the most used is "It's finally a Friday..." cue Dio shouting "[[TimeStandsStill ZA WARUDO!]]" and Jotaro freezing in place.[[/labelnote]]
** The Eggbaby/"Kakyoin, did you lay this egg?" [[labelnote: Explanation]]Reference to an infamous early Creator/{{CLAMP}} doujinshi where Jotaro and Kakyoin are a married couple whose son came from an egg. Jokes and edits about characters laying eggs, being afraid of laying eggs, or coming from them abound. Meanwhile the original doujinshi is considered SnarkBait in the fandom due to the ludicrousness of the events portrayed as well as its lack of resemblance to the original characters either art-wise or [[OutOfCharacter personality-wise]].[[/labelnote]]
*** [[Manga/{{Wish}} Kakyoin, what happened to you?]] [[labelnote: Explanation]] The two main characters in Creator/{{CLAMP}}'s later manga Manga/{{Wish}} resemble Jotaro and Kakyoin. Specifically, the [[FriendToAllLivingThings sweet-natured]], very feminine angel Kohaku has a similar hairstyle to Kakyoin's. Thus the speculation that CLAMP based their designs on the JJBA characters and aforementioned doujin, creating a sort of chain of {{Wimpification}}.[[/labelnote]]
** Jotaro's occupation as a Marine Biologist has lead many to imagine that Jotaro has an intense fondness for Dolphins. This has lead to much fanart and edits of Jotaro with Dolphins, or jokes that he is even [[BestialityIsDepraved zoophilic]].
*** Which some fans, mainly those from Argentina, adopted the nickname "Delfina" (literally female Dolphin) for Jolyne.
*** The Japanese fanbase for Jojo has a similar meme, but for [[http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/161/636/35f.jpg starfish instead]].
** Because of a comment he made regarding his admiration of Jotaro's mother Holly, it's common on most sites to portray [[LikesOlderWomen Noriaki Kakyoin]] has having a sexual preference for mothers.
*** That comment, paired with his infamous [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ-g0BdpbDM "RERO RERO]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnyThing RERO]]." turned Kakyoin into a memetic MILF god (Ironically, part of the video linked to is of Steely Dan/Rubber Soul in his [[PaperThinDisguise poorly done Kakyoin disguise]].)
*** Given a couple of anime added lines about the hotness of both Josuke's and Shigechi's mothers, it seems Okuyasu is inheriting the MILF loving throne.
** Polnareff's Bizarre Adventure[[labelnote: Explanation]]An observation about Stardust Crusaders that a lot of chapters focused more on Polnareff than the titular Jojos.[[/labelnote]].
** [[spoiler:Kakyoin]] dies.[[labelnote:Explanation]] A troll comment to anime-only watchers and those who are preparing to read the manga. Many other characters are often used instead but [[spoiler:Kakyoin]] is the most common one.[[/labelnote]]
** "It's finally a Friday..." "Yes...finally here..." "Friday..." [[labelnote: Explanation]]Born on Tumblr involving the release of a new episode of the Part 3 anime every Friday. Usually on that day is a reblog of the 3 panel comic of Joseph, Polnareff and Jotaro remarking on today being a Friday, said comic being a textedit of them remarking on having finally arrived in Egypt. There's also been edits poking fun at the meme as well. Nowadays the most used is "It's finally a Friday..." cue Dio shouting "[[TimeStandsStill ZA WARUDO!]]" and Jotaro freezing in place.[[/labelnote]]
** The Eggbaby/"Kakyoin, did you lay this egg?" [[labelnote: Explanation]]Reference to an infamous early Creator/{{CLAMP}} doujinshi where Jotaro and Kakyoin are a married couple whose son came from an egg. Jokes and edits about characters laying eggs, being afraid of laying eggs, or coming from them abound. Meanwhile the original doujinshi is considered SnarkBait in the fandom due to the ludicrousness of the events portrayed as well as its lack of resemblance to the original characters either art-wise or [[OutOfCharacter personality-wise]].[[/labelnote]]
*** [[Manga/{{Wish}} Kakyoin, what happened to you?]] [[labelnote: Explanation]] The two main characters in Creator/{{CLAMP}}'s later manga Manga/{{Wish}} resemble Jotaro and Kakyoin. Specifically, the [[FriendToAllLivingThings sweet-natured]], very feminine angel Kohaku has a similar hairstyle to Kakyoin's. Thus the speculation that CLAMP based their designs on the JJBA characters and aforementioned doujin, creating a sort of chain of {{Wimpification}}.[[/labelnote]]
** Jotaro's occupation as a Marine Biologist has lead many to imagine that Jotaro has an intense fondness for Dolphins. This has lead to much fanart and edits of Jotaro with Dolphins, or jokes that he is even [[BestialityIsDepraved zoophilic]].
*** Which some fans, mainly those from Argentina, adopted the nickname "Delfina" (literally female Dolphin) for Jolyne.
*** The Japanese fanbase for Jojo has a similar meme, but for [[http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/161/636/35f.jpg starfish instead]].
