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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: In 'Sorry Face' in season 3 Berry makes sexual advances on Malcolm despite his protestations. If the situation were reversed, and Malcolm starting undoing her clothing while insisting she was into it because she showed some unconscious physical sign of arousal, the scene would likely be taken very differently.



** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish Walker--the most unambigously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.

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** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish Walker--the most unambigously unambiguously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
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** To a lesser extent Ruben, partly due to [[GuiltByAssociation being associated with Robyn]] and partly due to being just plain creepy in his own right.

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** To a lesser extent Ruben, partly due to [[GuiltByAssociation being associated with Robyn]] Robyn and partly due to being just plain creepy in his own right.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The show goes to great lengths to show the struggle of rape victims, including the way society often ignores them. It's done with about as much subtlety as a nuclear explosion, and many agree it wouldn't be as effective if it wasn't.
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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: In 'Sorry Face' in season 3 Berry makes sexual advances on Malcolm despite his protestations. If the situation were reversed, and Malcolm starting undoing her clothing while insisting she was into it because she showed some unconscious physical sign of arousal, the scene would likely be taken very differently.
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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps [[spoiler: Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death.death]]. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.
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** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish--the most unambigously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which made it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.

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** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable that Wilson Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish--the Trish Walker--the most unambigously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which made for some makes it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.



* IdiotPlot: The entire second half of Season 3 only happens because Jessica inexplicably forgets ''she has Sallinger's voice on tape'' admitting to everything, with the recording never once being referenced again.

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* IdiotPlot: The entire second half of Season 3 only happens because Jessica inexplicably forgets ''she has Sallinger's voice confession on tape'' admitting where he admits to everything, with the recording never once being referenced again.



* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Robyn is possibly the most despised character in the entire Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse. Amazing, considering the first season's actual villain is a sadist and a rapist.

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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Robyn is possibly the most despised character in the entire Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse. Amazing, considering the first season's actual villain Kilgrave is a sadist and a rapist.



** It seems many fans are only watching this series to see more of [[Creator/DavidTennant The Tenth Doctor.]]

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** It seems many There are a fair number of fans are only watching this series to see more of who largely tuned in for [[Creator/DavidTennant The Tenth Doctor.Kilgrave.]]



** For some in season 3, Sallinger calling Jessica and gifted people like her out on their "privilege" would've been an ideal time for someone to call Sallinger out on ''his'' own privilege. He starts his speech on awful cheater Jessica assaulting oh so underprivileged and defenseless white man, and then he never gets shut down. They could have had Luke commenting on that on the radio (saying how a white serial killer gets a free pass while an innocent black man is thrown to jail), they could have had Trish saying that she actually worked for her abilities (she learned Krav Maga and she risked her life to get those powers). But alas, this line leads nowhere.

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** For some in season 3, Sallinger calling Jessica and gifted people like her out on their "privilege" would've been an ideal time for someone to call Sallinger out on ''his'' own white male privilege. He starts his speech on awful cheater Jessica assaulting oh so underprivileged and defenseless white man, and then he never gets shut down. They could It could've easily been countered by doing something like have had Luke commenting comment on that on the radio (saying how a white serial killer gets a free pass while an innocent black man is thrown to in jail), they could have had Trish saying that she actually worked for her abilities (she learned Krav Maga and she risked her life to get those powers). But alas, this line leads nowhere.



'''You'd Expect:''' Jessica texting the police detective, emailing him... ''anything'' but what she does.\\
'''Instead:''' Jessica ''calls'' the detective and tells him ''out loud'' where [[spoiler:her mother]] is, while ''knowing'' that [[spoiler:Alisa]] is in the next room and probably listening. She even ''leans on the door'', for God's sake!
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The networks weren't enthused by a superhero show (let alone a superhero show set in the MCU) that dealt with topics like rape and alcohol addiction, which is part of the reason why it ended up going to Netflix. To drive the point home, the ''Jessica Jones'' show was one of the few MCU installments absolutely ''forbidden'' to appear as a level in the ''[[VideoGame/LEGOMarvelsAvengers Lego Marvel's Avengers]]'' video game, as Marvel did not want little kids associating the show with stuff like ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. However, they will appear as playable characters in spite of this.[[labelnote:note]]Jessica will be shown in her Jewel form, pre-Kilgrave; Luke Cage will also be shown in his Power Man outfit[[/labelnote]]
* TheWoobie: Hope and her family. [[spoiler:The eldest daughter is put under the power of a psychopath rapist, her parents are worried sick about her and [[YankTheDogsChain cruelly got killed by their own daughter right after being reunited]] under Kilgrave's influence. The youngest son is mentioned to be all alone and scared out of his mind. And that is still left out [[TraumaCongaLine what Hope went through after she was sent to prison.]]]] Although Hope can cross into JerkassWoobie due to how pessimistic and reluctant she was to trust other people.

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'''You'd Expect:''' Jessica texting the police detective, Costa, emailing him... ''anything'' but what she does.\\
'''Instead:''' Jessica ''calls'' the detective Costa and tells him ''out loud'' where [[spoiler:her mother]] is, while ''knowing'' that [[spoiler:Alisa]] is in the next room and probably listening. She even ''leans on the door'', for God's sake!
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The networks weren't enthused by a superhero show (let alone a superhero show set in the MCU) that dealt with topics like rape and alcohol addiction, which is part of the reason why it ended up going to Netflix. To drive the point home, the ''Jessica Jones'' show was one of the few MCU installments absolutely ''forbidden'' to appear as a level in the ''[[VideoGame/LEGOMarvelsAvengers Lego Marvel's Avengers]]'' video game, as Marvel did not want little kids associating the show with stuff like ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. However, they will appear as playable characters in spite of this.[[labelnote:note]]Jessica will be was shown in her Jewel form, pre-Kilgrave; Luke Cage will was also be shown in his Power Man outfit[[/labelnote]]
* TheWoobie: Hope Schlottman and her family. [[spoiler:The eldest daughter is put under the power of a psychopath rapist, her parents are worried sick about her and [[YankTheDogsChain cruelly got killed by their own daughter right after being reunited]] under Kilgrave's influence. The youngest son is mentioned to be all alone and scared out of his mind. And that is still left out [[TraumaCongaLine what Hope went through after she was sent to prison.]]]] Although Hope can cross into JerkassWoobie due to how pessimistic and reluctant she was to trust other people.

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** Season 3: [[Characters/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[Characters/{{Foolkiller}} [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.
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** Season 3: [[Characters/MarvelComicsFoolkiller Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[Characters/MarvelComicsFoolkiller [[Characters/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} [[Characters/MarvelComicsFoolkiller Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** [[Characters/MCUKilgrave Kevin "Kilgrave" Thompson]], the season 1 BigBad, is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up getting everything he wanted, notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.
** [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]], from season 3, is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos]]. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps [[spoiler:Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother,]] and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** [[Characters/MCUKilgrave Season 1: Kevin "Kilgrave" Thompson]], the season 1 BigBad, "[[Characters/MCUKilgrave Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted, wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.
** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]], from season 3, Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos]].photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps [[spoiler:Dorothy, Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother,]] mother, and tortures her to death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.
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Makes no sense to call it a Contested Sequel when it's not even a sequel. That's like calling Black Panther a Contested Sequel to Thor: Ragnorok.


* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatizing her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.

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* SeasonalRot: The general census consensus is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The great, but the second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatizing her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Robyn is possibly the most despised character in the entire Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse. Amazing, considering the first season's actual villain is a sadist and a rapist.
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** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish--the most unambigously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which made it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.
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* EvilIsSexy: Kilgrave is played by the charming and handsome Creator/DavidTennant. He's also a [[SerialRapist garbage]] [[MindRape human]] [[ForTheEvulz being]].

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* TaintedByThePreview: The "Her Way" trailer for Season 2 left a lot of fans just plain confused at how it's mostly just clips from Season 1. The trailers' odd refusal to show who the season's BigBad is also raised a lot of worries that even the show's crew don't have any confidence they'll be able to live up to Kilgrave. [[spoiler: The latter turns out to be deliberate as it would completely spoil the fact that the main antagonist would be Jessica's mother.]]

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* TaintedByThePreview: The "Her Way" trailer for Season 2 left a lot of fans just plain confused at how it's it was mostly just clips from Season 1. The trailers' odd refusal to show who the season's BigBad is also raised a lot of worries that even the show's crew don't did not have any confidence they'll be able to live up to Kilgrave. [[spoiler: The latter turns out to be deliberate as it would completely spoil the fact that the main antagonist would be Jessica's mother.]]



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**For some in season 3, Sallinger calling Jessica and gifted people like her out on their "privilege" would've been an ideal time for someone to call Sallinger out on ''his'' own privilege. He starts his speech on awful cheater Jessica assaulting oh so underprivileged and defenseless white man, and then he never gets shut down. They could have had Luke commenting on that on the radio (saying how a white serial killer gets a free pass while an innocent black man is thrown to jail), they could have had Trish saying that she actually worked for her abilities (she learned Krav Maga and she risked her life to get those powers). But alas, this line leads nowhere.
**Jessica's missing spleen never gets referenced in the second half of season 3. One would expect her to find a donor, or to go to a medical exam where the doctor would say she grew herself a new spleen (since Jessica isn't shown regularly taking the pills outside one episode, but she is seen drinking a lot), but nothing comes of it.
**Hogarth going to war against powered vigilantes is dropped completely shortly after she starts it. It could've led somewhere had Sallinger filed for a restraining order and/or file harassment/slander charges, and due to Hogarth being unavailable, Jessica had to hire Matt or Foggy as her attorneys.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher2017 Frank Castle]], who killed way more people but got his day in court, unlike Trish), that Jessica hasn't done, and that Jessica wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher2017 Frank Castle]], who killed way more people, started out killing people but because of revenge, and got his day in court, unlike Trish), court), that Jessica hasn't done, and that Jessica wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.


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**For some viewers, it goes a step further as Jessica is disrespectful and disdainful to everyone around her, except when she sees a potential hookup/love interest, at which point she suddenly remembers concepts like respecting people’s personal space and dignity and right to not be physically intimidated. This makes the show come off like it's trying to pass the message that victims are exempt from treating people with decency due to their trauma.

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* DesignatedVillain: Trish falls into this in season 3 for some fans, who point out that although her actions are framed as bad, they're not that different from things committed by the Punisher, who also exists in this universe, killed way more people, and was motivated by revenge first and foremost.



* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.

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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising traumatizing her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.



* TaintedByThePreview: The "Her Way" trailer for Season 2 left a lot of fans just plain confused at how it's mostly just clips from Season 1. The trailers' odd refusal to show who the season's BigBad is also raised a lot of worries that even the show's crew don't have any confidence they'll be able to live up to Kilgrave. [[spoiler: The latter turns out to be deliberate as it would completely spoil the plot twist of Season 2.]]

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* TaintedByThePreview: The "Her Way" trailer for Season 2 left a lot of fans just plain confused at how it's mostly just clips from Season 1. The trailers' odd refusal to show who the season's BigBad is also raised a lot of worries that even the show's crew don't have any confidence they'll be able to live up to Kilgrave. [[spoiler: The latter turns out to be deliberate as it would completely spoil the plot twist of Season 2.fact that the main antagonist would be Jessica's mother.]]



** Many fans feel this way about Kilgrave, expressing the view that no villain that came afterward were able to top David Tennant's performance.

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** Many fans feel this way about Kilgrave, expressing the view that no villain that came afterward neither Alisa Jones nor Gregory Sallinger were able to top David Tennant's performance.



* UnexpectedCharacter: Season Three's trailer revealed the season's main villain to be Gregory Sallinger a.k.a. ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}}. Not only is he a relatively obscure villain, he also tends to be associated with different superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan or ComicBook/TheDefenders.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher2017 Frank Castle]]), that Jessica Jones hasn't done, and that Jessica Jones wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out above in BaseBreakingCharacter, Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ALWAYS like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Season Three's trailer revealed the season's The fact that season 3's main villain to be is Gregory Sallinger a.k.a. ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}}. Not only is he a relatively obscure villain, he also tends to be associated with different superheroes like ComicBook/SpiderMan or ComicBook/TheDefenders.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher2017 Frank Castle]]), Castle]], who killed way more people but got his day in court, unlike Trish), that Jessica Jones hasn't done, and that Jessica Jones wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out above in BaseBreakingCharacter, Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ALWAYS ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.



** Many people also have professed to feel little to no sympathy for Jeri Hogarth in Season 2. Her ALS storyline is supposed to make her more sympathetic, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a [[AmoralAttorney supremely horrible person]] who did [[KickTheDog many cruel things]] without remorse in the previous season, and even in this one. Some even accuse it of being a DoubleStandard, since they doubt the narrative would have framed her as sympathetically if she was a man like in the comics. Thankfully, the show's crew seem to have realized this and Season 3 re-affirmed her as ''intentionally'' unsympathetic, ending her on the note that her dying alone and miserable from her ALS will be entirely her own fault.

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** Many people also have professed to feel little to no sympathy for Jeri Hogarth in Season 2. Her ALS storyline is supposed to make her more sympathetic, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a [[AmoralAttorney supremely horrible person]] who did [[KickTheDog many cruel things]] without remorse in the previous season, and even in this one. Some even accuse it of being a DoubleStandard, since they doubt the narrative would have framed her as sympathetically if she was a man like in the comics. Thankfully, the show's crew writers seem to have realized this and Season 3 re-affirmed her as ''intentionally'' unsympathetic, ending her on the note that her dying alone and miserable from her ALS will be entirely her own fault.
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** Kilgrave's parents, both scientists, are trying to save their child from a brain disease and so have to subject him to very painful experimental medicine.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd explain what they were doing and how important it was they do it. Sedate him if possible so he didn't go through extreme pain. At the very least, offer him comfort and consolation after each procedure.\\
'''Instead:''' Kilgrave's parents never explained what they were doing at any point, leading to Kilgrave believing he was born to be their guinea pig and hating them for the pain they put him through. When he gains powers, he wastes no time in making his parents do what he wants. They abandon him at the age of 10, leading into his growth as a PsychopathicManchild with the power to control people.
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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy driven by Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.

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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy driven by Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish--the most unambigously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which made it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.



* EvilIsCool: Perhaps "cool" isn't quite the right phrase for such a [[HateSink thoroughly]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil loathsome]] [[CompleteMonster individual]], but Kilgrave has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and conflicts he puts the people around him through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims; not to mention Creator/DavidTennant really selling him as such a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior.]] His mind-control power would also be pretty fun to have in real life.
* EvilIsSexy: Averted for the most part. While it ''is'' the handsome Creator/DavidTennant playing Kilgrave, so some of this reaction is to be expected, the fact that he's canonized as an unrepentant '''serial rapist''' is a deal breaker for most viewers.



** Subverted with Kilgrave. While the series makes it very clear that he's a loathsome man, he suffered an extreme trauma as a child, and it's pretty obvious that this persecutes him to adulthood. The moment he reunites with his parents and genuinely apologizes to his mother seems to suggest that there was still some humanity in him, until [[spoiler:his mother stabs him]] and ends up losing all his humanity, eventually becoming a CompleteMonster.



** Kilgrave is an utterly vile and sadistic human being, but Creator/DavidTennant's CreepyAwesome and charismatic performance makes him a very compelling villain to watch even as the audience is rooting for Jessica to give him his well-deserved comeuppance.

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** Kilgrave is an utterly vile and sadistic human being, but Creator/DavidTennant's CreepyAwesome has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and charismatic performance makes conflicts he puts the people around him a very compelling villain through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims; not to watch even as the audience is rooting for Jessica to give mention Creator/DavidTennant really selling him his well-deserved comeuppance. as such a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior]].
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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2014''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy driven by Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.

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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2014''.''Series/Daredevil2015''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy driven by Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.
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** Robyn causes Hope's death. Come ''Series/TheBoys2019'' and she's vindicated, as Erin Moriarty's character causes the dismissal of her "agent" played by Colby Minifie.

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** Robyn causes Hope's death. Come ''Series/TheBoys2019'' and she's vindicated, as Erin Moriarty's Creator/ErinMoriarty's character causes the dismissal of her "agent" played by Colby Minifie.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher Frank Castle]]), that Jessica Jones hasn't done, and that Jessica Jones wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ending of Season 3 has resulted in a fan backlash regarding the treatment of Trish. Basically arguing that her character has done nothing that other Netflix heroes haven't done (''especially'' [[Series/ThePunisher [[Series/ThePunisher2017 Frank Castle]]), that Jessica Jones hasn't done, and that Jessica Jones wasn't willing to give her mother a pass on. As such, many people have given her the role of DesignatedVillain.
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* FanPreferredCouple:While Jessica has a couple of love interests, such as Luke Cage and Erik Gelden, most fans prefer to ship her with her adoptive sister, Trish Walker, due to the fact that Trish is often referred to as the only person Jessica really loves, the large amount of LesYay between them, and the scene where Jessica says Trish is the most important person in her life. The pairing dominates shipping for the show on most sites, like Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, and usually overshadows ships from the comics, with the only Jessica ship that comes close being Jessica/Matt, which still comes short in terms of popularity.

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* FanPreferredCouple:While FanPreferredCouple: While Jessica has a couple of love interests, such as Luke Cage and Erik Gelden, most fans prefer to ship her with her adoptive sister, Trish Walker, due to the fact that Trish is often referred to as the only person Jessica really loves, the large amount of LesYay between them, and the scene where Jessica says Trish is the most important person in her life. The pairing dominates shipping for the show on most sites, like Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, and usually overshadows ships from the comics, with the only Jessica ship that comes close being Jessica/Matt, which still comes short in terms of popularity.
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* FanPreferredCouple:While Jessica has a couple of love interests, such as Luke Cage and Erik Gelden, most fans prefer to ship her with her adoptive sister, Trish Walker, due to the fact that Trish is often referred to as the only person Jessica really loves, the large amount of LesYay between them, and the scene where Jessica says Trish is the most important person in her life. The pairing dominates shipping for the show on most sites, like Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, and usually overshadows ships from the comics, with the only Jessica ship that comes close being Jessica/Matt, which still comes short in terms of popularity.


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* PortmanteauCoupleName: "Trishica" is the most commonly used term for the Trish/Jessica ship.
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* SeasonalRot: The general census is that season 1 is great though something of a ContestedSequel to ''Series/Daredevil2014''. The second and third season however have much lower general regard, owing to the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy driven by Jessica's lack of CharacterDevelopment in favour of just further traumatising her, and the controversial handling of Trish Walker.
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* EvilIsCool: Perhaps "cool" isn't quite the right phrase for such a [[HateSink thoroughly]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil loathsome]] [[CompleteMonster individual]], but Kilgrave has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and conflicts he puts the people around him through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims; not to mention Creator/DavidTennant really selling him as such a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior.]]

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* EvilIsCool: Perhaps "cool" isn't quite the right phrase for such a [[HateSink thoroughly]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil loathsome]] [[CompleteMonster individual]], but Kilgrave has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and conflicts he puts the people around him through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims; not to mention Creator/DavidTennant really selling him as such a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior.]]]] His mind-control power would also be pretty fun to have in real life.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AmoralAttorney Jeri Hogarth]]'s divorce and affair with [[YourCheatingHeart her secretary]] gets significant time devoted to it in nearly every episode, despite being [[TrappedByMountainLions not even tangentially connected to the rest of the plot for the majority of the show]] until the very end of the season. It just came off as an attempt to give Creator/CarrieAnneMoss something to do.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AmoralAttorney Jeri Hogarth]]'s divorce and affair with [[YourCheatingHeart her secretary]] secretary gets significant time devoted to it in nearly every episode, despite being [[TrappedByMountainLions not even tangentially connected to the rest of the plot for the majority of the show]] until the very end of the season. It just came off as an attempt to give Creator/CarrieAnneMoss something to do.
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** Rewatching the series will really make you wince at [[spoiler:all the perfect opportunities Jessica passes up due to not knowing Kilgrave can't control her anymore.]]
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* ValuesResonance: The crew themselves couldn't believe it when the "Me too" movement started shortly after Season 2 finished filming, and it suddenly fit perfectly in the new atmosphere. This is best seen in an early subplot where Trish blackmails Max Tatum, a producer who molested her when she was a teen.
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* EvilIsCool: Perhaps "cool" isn't quite the right phrase for such a [[HateSink thoroughly]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil loathsome]] [[CompleteMonster individual]], but Kilgrave has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and conflicts he puts the people around him through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims as well as Creator/DavidTennant really selling him as a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior.]]

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* EvilIsCool: Perhaps "cool" isn't quite the right phrase for such a [[HateSink thoroughly]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil loathsome]] [[CompleteMonster individual]], but Kilgrave has been lauded as one of the best villains the MCU has to offer, with the struggles and conflicts he puts the people around him through resonating heavily with abuse and rape victims as well as victims; not to mention Creator/DavidTennant really selling him as such a slimy rat bastard [[FauxAffablyEvil coated by a cool, suave exterior.]]

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