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* YourMilageMayVary: On the one hand, since Civil War, one can argue that Tony has become an order of magnitude [[CharacterDevelopment more complex]] than he ever has been before. On the other hand, he's gained that additional depth at the cost of his heroism--it's often hard to even ''like'' the guy any more, let alone root for him; and as he continues making elective [[NoTranshumanismAllowed cybernetic modifications]] to himself, he appears to be [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul losing his humanity literally as well as metaphorically.]]

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* YourMilageMayVary: On the one hand, since Civil War, one can argue that Tony has become an order of magnitude [[CharacterDevelopment more complex]] than he ever has been before. On the other hand, he's gained that additional depth at the cost of his heroism--it's often hard to even ''like'' the guy any more, let alone root for him; and as he continues making elective [[NoTranshumanismAllowed cybernetic modifications]] to himself, he appears to be [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul losing his humanity literally as well as metaphorically.]]




** Also in the sequel, [[spoiler:Tony's birthday party. "Iron Man, how do you go to the bathroom in that suit? ...just like that." Not funny [[YourMileageMayVary (for some)]]. Giving an actual technobabble answer about filtration and being able to drink that? ''Now'' it's funny.]]

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** Also in the sequel, [[spoiler:Tony's birthday party. "Iron Man, how do you go to the bathroom in that suit? ...just like that." Not funny [[YourMileageMayVary (for some)]].funny. Giving an actual technobabble answer about filtration and being able to drink that? ''Now'' it's funny.]]
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The senator has a point that the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth might not be best held in the hands of an emotionally unstable, eccentric alcoholic with a weakness for pretty ladies. There is also a perfectly valid counterpoint (such as that they're basically trying to draft Tony), but it's not an open-and-close case.
* TearJerker:
** "I'm going to see my family now... ''Don't waste your life, Stark...''"
** "I shouldn't be alive, unless it was for a reason. I'm not crazy, Pepper. I just finally know...what I have to do...and I know in my heart, it's right."
** [[spoiler:"[[WellDoneSonGuy My greatest creation... was you, Tony]]."]]
** [[NotSoStoic Ivan]] [[SkywardScream crying]] [[DueToTheDead in the corner]] for his dying father.
** Subtle BilingualBonus with Ivan at the start of the scene. Anton calls his name a few times. Ivan ignores him. Anton uses Ivan's diminutive name (the one more associated with his youth), Vanya. Ivan pays attention.
** A [[FridgeLogic fridge]] tear jerker from ''2'' when Tony is in his suit, munching on a donut, sitting in a giant donut, wearing shades. Although this scene is [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], when you subtract the amusing background music used in the scene and the inherently funny nature of [[ItMakesSenseInContext Iron Man sitting in a donut]], this is a really depressing scene.[[spoiler: He had just gotten into a fight with Rhodey, who in response had taken his Mark II suit to the Air Force, trashing both their friendship and Tony's desire to keep his tech private. His palladium poisoning was getting critical, with possibly mere days for him to live, especially if he kept on accelerating it by using his armor. And after an attempted night of over-the-top partying was crashed by his best friend, Tony was so desperate to spend the last days of his life enjoying himself in new ways that he was reduced to sitting there on top of a donut store while wearing his armor, and eating some donuts. Good thing Nick Fury showed up.]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The senator has a point that the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth might not be best held in the hands of an emotionally unstable, eccentric alcoholic with a weakness for pretty ladies. There is also a perfectly valid counterpoint (such as that they're basically trying to draft Tony), but it's not an open-and-close case.
* TearJerker:
** "I'm going to see my family now... ''Don't waste your life, Stark...''"
** "I shouldn't be alive, unless it was for a reason. I'm not crazy, Pepper. I just finally know...what I have to do...and I know in my heart, it's right."
** [[spoiler:"[[WellDoneSonGuy My greatest creation... was you, Tony]]."]]
** [[NotSoStoic Ivan]] [[SkywardScream crying]] [[DueToTheDead in the corner]] for his dying father.
** Subtle BilingualBonus with Ivan at the start of the scene. Anton calls his name a few times. Ivan ignores him. Anton uses Ivan's diminutive name (the one more associated with his youth), Vanya. Ivan pays attention.
** A [[FridgeLogic fridge]] tear jerker from ''2'' when Tony is in his suit, munching on a donut, sitting in a giant donut, wearing shades. Although this scene is [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], when you subtract the amusing background music used in the scene and the inherently funny nature of [[ItMakesSenseInContext Iron Man sitting in a donut]], this is a really depressing scene.[[spoiler: He had just gotten into a fight with Rhodey, who in response had taken his Mark II suit to the Air Force, trashing both their friendship and Tony's desire to keep his tech private. His palladium poisoning was getting critical, with possibly mere days for him to live, especially if he kept on accelerating it by using his armor. And after an attempted night of over-the-top partying was crashed by his best friend, Tony was so desperate to spend the last days of his life enjoying himself in new ways that he was reduced to sitting there on top of a donut store while wearing his armor, and eating some donuts. Good thing Nick Fury showed up.]]
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* YourMilageMayVary: On the one hand, since Civil War, one can argue that Tony has become an order of magnitude [[CharacterDevelopment more complex]] than he ever has been before. On the other hand, he's gained that additional depth at the cost of his heroism--it's often hard to even ''like'' the guy any more, let alone root for him; and as he continues making elective [[NoTranshumanismAllowed cybernetic modifications]] to himself, he appears to be [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul losing his humanity literally as well as metaphorically.]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The senator has a point that the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth might not be best held in the hands of an emotionally unstable, eccentric alcoholic with a weakness for pretty ladies.
** Counterpoint: The government is incapable of [[FigureItOutYourself building, let alone ''maintaining'' the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth themselves]]. Even War Machine will require Stark's assistance to maintain. They're basically demanding that Stark allow himself to be drafted.
-->'''Tony Stark''': ''I am Iron Man. The suit and I are one. To turn over the Iron Man suit would be to turn over myself, which is tantamount to indentured servitude or prostitution, depending on what state you're in.''
** And when the Army got its iron soldiers, an entire line of slightly-inferior, unmanned drones based on Tony Stark's design... HilarityEnsues. Predictably, [[spoiler:the drones - ''along with Rhodey'' - get highjacked by Vanko and start attacking any and everything, leaving it up to Tony to stop them - even Rhodey was crippled by his non-technical background. Ultratech weapons are far more complicated than guns, meaning you need a friendly(as in ''non-conscripted'') geek to help you properly handle it or enemy geeks will pwn you.]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The senator has a point that the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth might not be best held in the hands of an emotionally unstable, eccentric alcoholic with a weakness for pretty ladies.
** Counterpoint: The government
ladies. There is incapable of [[FigureItOutYourself building, let alone ''maintaining'' the most advanced piece of weaponry on earth themselves]]. Even War Machine will require Stark's assistance to maintain. They're also a perfectly valid counterpoint (such as that they're basically demanding that Stark allow himself trying to be drafted.
-->'''Tony Stark''': ''I am Iron Man. The suit and I are one. To turn over the Iron Man suit would be to turn over myself, which is tantamount to indentured servitude or prostitution, depending on what state you're in.''
** And when the Army got its iron soldiers,
draft Tony), but it's not an entire line of slightly-inferior, unmanned drones based on Tony Stark's design... HilarityEnsues. Predictably, [[spoiler:the drones - ''along with Rhodey'' - get highjacked by Vanko and start attacking any and everything, leaving it up to Tony to stop them - even Rhodey was crippled by his non-technical background. Ultratech weapons are far more complicated than guns, meaning you need a friendly(as in ''non-conscripted'') geek to help you properly handle it or enemy geeks will pwn you.]]open-and-close case.



** [[NotSoStoic Ivan]] [[SkywardScream crying]] [[DueToTheDead in the corner]] for [[MoralityPet his dying father]].
** Subtle thing with Ivan at the start of the scene. Anton calls his name a few times. Ivan ignores him. Anton uses Ivan's diminutive name (the one more associated with his youth), Vanya. Ivan pays attention.
** A [[FridgeLogic fridge]] tear jerker from ''2'' when Tony is in his suit, munching on a donut, sitting in a giant donut, wearing shades. Although this scene is [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], when you subtract the amusing background music used in the scene and the inherently funny nature of [[ItMakesSenseInContext Iron Man sitting in a donut]], this is a really depressing scene.[[spoiler: He had just gotten into a fight with Rhodey, who in response had taken his Mark II suit to the Air Force, trashing both their friendship and Tony's desire to keep his tech private. His palladium poisoning was getting critical, with possibly mere days for him to live, especially if he kept on accelerating it by using his armor. And after an attempted night of over-the-top partying was crashed by his best friend, Tony was so desperate to spend the last days of his life enjoying himself in new ways that he was reduced to sitting there on top of a donut store while wearing his armor, and eating some donuts. Good thing Nick Fury showed up.]]

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** [[NotSoStoic Ivan]] [[SkywardScream crying]] [[DueToTheDead in the corner]] for [[MoralityPet his dying father]].
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** Subtle thing BilingualBonus with Ivan at the start of the scene. Anton calls his name a few times. Ivan ignores him. Anton uses Ivan's diminutive name (the one more associated with his youth), Vanya. Ivan pays attention.
** A [[FridgeLogic fridge]] tear jerker from ''2'' when Tony is in his suit, munching on a donut, sitting in a giant donut, wearing shades. Although this scene is [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], when you subtract the amusing background music used in the scene and the inherently funny nature of [[ItMakesSenseInContext Iron Man sitting in a donut]], this is a really depressing scene.[[spoiler: He had just gotten into a fight with Rhodey, who in response had taken his Mark II suit to the Air Force, trashing both their friendship and Tony's desire to keep his tech private. His palladium poisoning was getting critical, with possibly mere days for him to live, especially if he kept on accelerating it by using his armor. And after an attempted night of over-the-top partying was crashed by his best friend, Tony was so desperate to spend the last days of his life enjoying himself in new ways that he was reduced to sitting there on top of a donut store while wearing his armor, and eating some donuts. Good thing Nick Fury showed up.]]
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** This troper has just watched that scene on the DVD frame by frame, and it's obscured by all the explosions but his feet are moving as if he was running.

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** This troper has just watched that Watch the scene on the DVD frame by frame, and it's frame. It's obscured by all the explosions but his feet are moving as if he was running.running.
** Also, when Nick Fury touches Tony's neck to inspect the TaintedVeins on his neck, he pushes aside what is an obviously-rubber part of the Iron Man suit.
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* MemeticOutfit: Between the show and ''MarvelVsCapcom'', many people associate Iron Man with the Modular Armor (which is indeed one of his most striking suits.)

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** Those opinions might be because of the time the movies were made in, namely post-9/11 America. In the first movie, Tony kicks the crap out of terrorists and militia in the middle East who live in caves and personally saves an Air Force pilot's life. In the second, he doesn't want the military to have the greatest weapon platform that world had ever seen, something that could go a long way to keeping more servicemen and women alive.

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** Those opinions might be because of the time the movies were made in, namely post-9/11 America. In the first movie, Tony kicks the crap out of terrorists and militia in the middle East who live in caves and personally saves an Air Force pilot's life. life. In the second, he doesn't want the military to have the greatest weapon platform that world had ever seen, something that could go a long way to keeping more servicemen and women alive.


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* {{Sequelitis}}: Mostly averted. General consensus seems to be that the second movie is still a rousing film, if not exactly as fresh as the first one. It ''may'' help if you think of it as the second in a trilogy.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: Mostly averted. General consensus seems to be that the second movie is still a rousing film, if not exactly as fresh as the first one. It ''may'' help if you think of it as the second in a trilogy. trilogy.
** Those opinions might be because of the time the movies were made in, namely post-9/11 America. In the first movie, Tony kicks the crap out of terrorists and militia in the middle East who live in caves and personally saves an Air Force pilot's life. In the second, he doesn't want the military to have the greatest weapon platform that world had ever seen, something that could go a long way to keeping more servicemen and women alive.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWPDzvWNds The second theme song]] to the 90's cartoon. Doubles as being RatedMForManly.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWPDzvWNds com/watch?v=0xyDyDfOlHc The second theme song]] to the 90's cartoon. Doubles as being RatedMForManly. ''Triples'' as a ShoutOut in the first film; the only lyrics are '''"I Am Iron Man!"'''
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*** And when the Army got its iron soldiers, an entire line of slightly-inferior, unmanned drones based on Tony Stark's design... HilarityEnsues. Predictably, [[spoiler:the drones - ''along with Rhodey'' - get highjacked by Vanko and start attacking any and everything, leaving it up to Tony to stop them - even Rhodey was crippled by his non-technical background. Ultratech weapons are far more complicated than guns, meaning you need a friendly(as in ''non-conscripted'') geek to help you properly handle it or enemy geeks will pwn you.]]

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*** ** And when the Army got its iron soldiers, an entire line of slightly-inferior, unmanned drones based on Tony Stark's design... HilarityEnsues. Predictably, [[spoiler:the drones - ''along with Rhodey'' - get highjacked by Vanko and start attacking any and everything, leaving it up to Tony to stop them - even Rhodey was crippled by his non-technical background. Ultratech weapons are far more complicated than guns, meaning you need a friendly(as in ''non-conscripted'') geek to help you properly handle it or enemy geeks will pwn you.]]
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Jock weapons just need jock counterweapons and jock cannon fodder. Iron Man is a geek weapon, meaning an enemy geek can just take it away from jocks.

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*** And when the Army got its iron soldiers, an entire line of slightly-inferior, unmanned drones based on Tony Stark's design... HilarityEnsues. Predictably, [[spoiler:the drones - ''along with Rhodey'' - get highjacked by Vanko and start attacking any and everything, leaving it up to Tony to stop them - even Rhodey was crippled by his non-technical background. Ultratech weapons are far more complicated than guns, meaning you need a friendly(as in ''non-conscripted'') geek to help you properly handle it or enemy geeks will pwn you.]]
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** Subtle thing with Ivan at the start of the scene. Anton calls his name a few times. Ivan ignores him. Anton uses Ivan's diminutive name (the one more associated with his youth), Vanya. Ivan pays attention.

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** [[DextersLaboratory Genndy]] ''[[SamuraiJack freakin]]'' [[StarWarsCloneWars Tartakovsky]] is story-boarding the sequel. ** Not that it needed it, but the second trailer for [=IM2=] ended with [[spoiler:Tony putting on a collapsible, suitcase sized Iron Man suit.]] It says something that pretty every single blog post, ''everywhere'', about said trailer used that shot as the illustration.

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** [[DextersLaboratory Genndy]] ''[[SamuraiJack freakin]]'' [[StarWarsCloneWars Tartakovsky]] is story-boarding the sequel.
** Not that it needed it, but the second trailer for [=IM2=] ended with [[spoiler:Tony putting on a collapsible, suitcase sized Iron Man suit.]] It says something that pretty every single blog post, ''everywhere'', about said trailer used that shot as the illustration.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: A fairly minor one, but when [[spoiler:Iron Monger AKA Obadiah Stane runs at Pepper after discovering her underground, Stane is very clearly not moving.]] Partially [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the fact that [[spoiler:Stane's suit, the Iron Monger, is less [[PoweredArmor a suit]] a la Stark and the Iron Man, and more [[MiniMecha a walking, flying humanoid-shaded tank]].]]

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* SpecialEffectFailure: A fairly minor one, but when [[spoiler:Iron Monger AKA Obadiah Stane runs at Pepper after discovering her underground, Stane is very clearly not moving.]] Partially [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the fact that [[spoiler:Stane's suit, the Iron Monger, is less [[PoweredArmor a suit]] a la Stark and the Iron Man, and more [[MiniMecha a walking, flying humanoid-shaded humanoid-shaped tank]].]]
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* BaseBreaker: The brusque, collected Natasha Romanoff is easily the most understated major character in the either film when it comes to personality tics. Some fans liked this, finding her [[FemmeFatale icy and enigmatic]] while others found her [[DullSurprise bland and lacking in personality]]. This is difficult to gauge considering Natasha spends the majority of her time undercover so she doesn't have much time to display her true personality.
** An interview with [[WordofGod the director]] revealed that the more flirtatious scenes between Natasha and Tony were cut to preserve the Tony/Pepper relationship. A scene from the first trailer even features Natasha ''smiling''.
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* CharacterDerailment: See Strawman Political on [[{{Comicbook/IronMan}} Main page]].
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* AdaptationalAttractiveness: Not that SamRockwell is necessarily a looker but his Justin Hammer is certainly a step up from the comics' much older, wrinkly version of the character.


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* AnticlimaxBoss: This arguably happens in the second film once Whiplash actually shows up during the final battle.

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* GeniusBonus / StealthPun: If you are acquainted with some of the more advanced notions in physics and have a quick eye, you'll notice that on the last page of Howard Stark's notebook there's a reference to an "Abnormal Zeeman Effect", which any nerd can tell you is a magnetic equivalent of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_effect Stark]] [[FridgeBrilliance effect]].
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* AdaptationDecay: [[YourMilageMayVary Arguably]] the second film playing Tony's alcoholism for laughs is as eye roll worthy and annoying a take on a storyline as the much hated emo Venom in the third Spider-man film.

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!! [=YMMVs=] for both [[{{Series/IronMan}} television series]]:

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!! [=YMMVs=] for both the 1966 [[{{Series/IronMan}} television series]]:
* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things the show is remembered for, other than the LimitedAnimation.

!! [=YMMVs=] for the 1994 [[{{Series/IronMan}} television series]]:



* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things the 1966 show is remembered for, other than the LimitedAnimation.
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* MemeticSexGod: "[[http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/magazinepics/ironmanspread2.jpg Every time you kiss Iron Man, you taste Galactus.]]"


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* NeverLiveItDown: Tony's alcoholism, although his actions in ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' are catching up in their effect on his reputation.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWPDzvWNds The second theme song]] to the 90's cartoon.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWPDzvWNds The second theme song]] to the 90's cartoon. Doubles as being RatedMForManly.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Almost everything in the first movie, it has probably the fewest RuinedFOREVER of a major adaptation ''ever''. [[DextersLaboratory Genndy]] ''[[SamuraiJack freakin]]'' [[StarWarsCloneWars Tartakovsky]] is story-boarding the sequel. Not that it needed it, but the second trailer for [=IM2=] ended with [[spoiler:Tony putting on a collapsible, suitcase sized Iron Man suit.]] It says something that pretty every single blog post, ''everywhere'', about said trailer used that shot as the illustration

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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Almost everything in the first movie, it has probably the fewest RuinedFOREVER of a major adaptation ''ever''.
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[[DextersLaboratory Genndy]] ''[[SamuraiJack freakin]]'' [[StarWarsCloneWars Tartakovsky]] is story-boarding the sequel. ** Not that it needed it, but the second trailer for [=IM2=] ended with [[spoiler:Tony putting on a collapsible, suitcase sized Iron Man suit.]] It says something that pretty every single blog post, ''everywhere'', about said trailer used that shot as the illustrationillustration.
** News of [[LethalWeapon Shane]] [[KissKissBangBang Black]] directing the third movie made several fans happy campers.
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* PanderingToTheBase: Some people accused the movie of setting up the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe more than its own, despite the fact that Nick Fury doesn't appear until more than an hour in and even then his purpose is more to get Tony off of his ass and create the element that will eventually save his life than to convince him to join The Avengers. Heck, it's even more realistic for a government agency like SHIELD to have more on its plate to deal with than simply Tony Stark.

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* PanderingToTheBase: Some people accused the second movie of setting up the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe more than its own, despite the fact that Nick Fury doesn't appear until more than an hour in and even then his purpose is more to get Tony off of his ass and create the element that will eventually save his life than to convince him to join The Avengers. Heck, it's even more realistic for a government agency like SHIELD to have more on its plate to deal with than simply Tony Stark.
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* BaseBreaker: For Stark: "The Civil War". For Rhodes: "Sometimes The World Needs A War Machine".

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* BaseBreaker: For Stark: "The "[[WellIntentionedExtremist The Civil War". War]]". For Rhodes: "Sometimes "[[BloodKnight Sometimes The World Needs A War Machine".Machine]]".

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* PanderingToTheBase: Some people accused the movie of setting up the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe more than its own, despite the fact that Nick Fury doesn't appear until more than an hour in and even then his purpose is more to get Tony off of his ass and create the element that will eventually save his life than to convince him to join The Avengers. Heck, it's even more realistic for a government agency like SHIELD to have more on its plate to deal with than simply Tony Stark.

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* PanderingToTheBase: Some people accused the movie of setting up the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe more than its own, despite the fact that Nick Fury doesn't appear until more than an hour in and even then his purpose is more to get Tony off of his ass and create the element that will eventually save his life than to convince him to join The Avengers. Heck, it's even more realistic for a government agency like SHIELD to have more on its plate to deal with than simply Tony Stark. Stark.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Raza, the terrorist leader, is [[Film/StarTrek Captain Richard "Star Trek's Chuck Norris" Robau]]??
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* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things the 1967 show is remembered for, other than the LimitedAnimation.

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* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things the 1967 1966 show is remembered for, other than the LimitedAnimation.
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* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things this show is remembered for, other than the...

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* EarWorm - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wn4iYoMcAA The opening song]]. One of the only things this the 1967 show is remembered for, other than the...the LimitedAnimation.
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* CharacterDerailment: See Strawman Political on [[{{Comicbook/Iron}} Main page.

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* CharacterDerailment: See Strawman Political on [[{{Comicbook/Iron}} [[{{Comicbook/IronMan}} Main page.page]].

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