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* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabotaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
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* ValuesDissonance: Joan and the French's portrayal is seen as this today. It's probably no surprise that the 2016 adaptation of ''Series/TheHollowCrown'' chose to de-emphasize the most negatively-charged dialogued altogether.
* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabotaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabotaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
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* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabtaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
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* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabtaging sabotaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
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* FridgeLogic: In-universe, as used by the Bard himself. Shakespeare points out that Joan had a lucky strike in her campaigns, because of the beginning strife between the English lords. It is made clear in-play that Joan was able to win, not solely because of divine intervention, but because the English were split, with Somerset consciously sabtaging the war efforts of the duke of York.
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* MemeticBadass: Talbot himself can rout the French army just by the English chanting his name.
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* ValuesDissonance: Joan and the French's portrayal is seen as this today.
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* ValuesDissonance: Joan and the French's portrayal is seen as this today. It's probably no surprise that the 2016 adaptation of ''Series/TheHollowCrown'' chose to de-emphasize the most negatively-charged dialogued altogether.
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* CanonSue: ''Talbot''. Back in Shakespeare's day, patriotic Englishmen would have loved him. Nowadays, even the English find him insufferable in how much he's [[CharacterShilling shilled]].
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Of Joan of Arc of all people.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Of Joan of Arc of all people.
**ValuesDissonance: Joan and the French's portrayal is seen as this today.
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* CanonSue: ''Talbot''. Back in Shakespeare's day, patriotic Englishmen would have loved him. Nowadays, even the English find him insufferable in how much he's [[CharacterShilling shilled]].
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** ValuesDissonance: Joan and the French's portrayal is seen as this today.
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moving to Henry VI Part 2 (Cade is not in Part 1)
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** Also, Jack Cade. He was ''not'' this much of a buffoon and manipulator, or deceiver (he ''did'' take the Mortimer name, but only to express solidarity). If anybody deserved vilification, it was Lord Say.
