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a fatal wound kills the person...according to this film, the mother survived
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* TakeThatScrappy: Tina, Samantha, Spitz, and Mikey were really annoying and they get killed in the end. Tina, however [[HeroicSacrifice at least sacrificed herself to save Jamie]], but still.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Tina, Samantha, Spitz, Mikey, and Mikey were the "comedic" duo of cops are really annoying and they get killed in the end. Tina, however [[HeroicSacrifice at least sacrificed herself to save Jamie]], but still.
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** When Jamie reaches Michael's empty cell she utters a heartbreaking "No..No!"
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** When Jamie reaches Michael's empty cell she utters a heartbreaking "No..No!""No...No!"
** Jamie having an emotional breakdown as she desperately begs Tina not to leave for the party. It's her most heartbreaking scene in the film in this troper's opinion, especially because I disagree so strongly with the common "Scrappy" take on Tina.
* TheScrappy: The cop duo and Spitz are the most cringe-worthy characters in the film.
** Jamie having an emotional breakdown as she desperately begs Tina not to leave for the party. It's her most heartbreaking scene in the film in this troper's opinion, especially because I disagree so strongly with the common "Scrappy" take on Tina.
* TheScrappy: The cop duo and Spitz are the most cringe-worthy characters in the film.
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** The retconned twist ending from the previous film is seen as an interesting change of course - this film could've had Jamie be the killer or even have her team up with Michael - but that is all thrown out the window here.
** The movie opens up the possibility of Jamie becoming a pariah to the citizens of Haddonfield when a brick is thrown at her hospital window with a note stating “The Evil Child MUST Die!” considering she fatally wounded her foster mother and is related to Michael Myers. That plot point is quickly dropped altogether soon after it was established.
** The movie opens up the possibility of Jamie becoming a pariah to the citizens of Haddonfield when a brick is thrown at her hospital window with a note stating “The Evil Child MUST Die!” considering she fatally wounded her foster mother and is related to Michael Myers. That plot point is quickly dropped altogether soon after it was established.
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** The retconned twist ending from the previous film is seen as an interesting change of course - this film could've had Jamie be the killer or even have had her team up with Michael - but that is all thrown out the window here.
** The movie opens up the possibility of Jamie becoming a pariah to the citizens of Haddonfield when a brick is thrown at her hospital window with a note stating “The Evil Child MUST Die!” considering shefatally seriously wounded her foster mother and is related to Michael Myers. That plot point is quickly dropped altogether soon after it was established.
** The movie opens up the possibility of Jamie becoming a pariah to the citizens of Haddonfield when a brick is thrown at her hospital window with a note stating “The Evil Child MUST Die!” considering she
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I mean...the stroke is PRECISELY what stops him, so we can't say "even a stroke can't stop him."
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** The only other reason to watch this movie besides Danielle Harris's performance is to see Loomis take Michael down. Even vocal detractors loved it. Loomis traps Michael in a net, shoots him with tranq darts, and then proceeds to wail on him with a 2x4. Even a stroke can't stop him.
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** The only other reason to watch this movie besides Danielle Harris's performance is to see Loomis take Michael down. Even vocal detractors loved it. Loomis traps Michael in a net, shoots him with tranq darts, and then proceeds to wail on him with a 2x4. Even Only a stroke can't can stop him.
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** Michael is a little hard to find scary in this movie thanks to his mask being jokingly compared to [[Creator/NicolasCage Nicolas Cage]].
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** Michael is a little hard to find scary in this movie thanks to his mask being jokingly compared to [[Creator/NicolasCage Nicolas Cage]]. At least it's far better than the outright ridiculous mask of the previous film.
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* HesJustHiding: The non-graphic (for the franchise) nature of [[spoiler:Rachel's]] death, her character's popularity, and the way it's never directly mentioned in the next movie make it tempting to hope that she's only passed out unconscious when Jamie sees her.
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* HesJustHiding: The non-graphic (for the franchise) nature of [[spoiler:Rachel's]] death, her character's popularity, and the way it's never directly mentioned in the next movie make it tempting to hope that she's only passed out unconscious when Jamie sees her.her...with her eyes open...
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** A lot people think that Jamie is the only reason to watch this movie, primarily for Danielle Harris [[SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct giving a great performance]] and the fact she doesn't actually do anything obnoxious.
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** A lot of people think that Jamie is the only reason to watch this movie, primarily for Danielle Harris [[SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct giving a great performance]] and the fact she doesn't actually do anything obnoxious.
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* HesJustHiding: The non-graphic (for the franchise) nature of [[spoiler:Rachel's]] death, her character's popularity, and the way it's never directly mentioned in the next movie make it tempting to hope that she's only passed out unconscious when Jamie sees her.
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* DesignatedHero: Dr. Loomis is supposed to be a heroic, confident and sacrificial psychiatrist like in the previous films, but here, he's shown to be a unlikable, cranky jerk who bothers Jamie for information of Michael Myers and lashes out at her for keeping quiet and even ''uses her for bait to get Michael into his trap''.
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* DesignatedHero: Dr. Loomis is supposed to be a heroic, confident and sacrificial psychiatrist like in the previous films, but here, he's shown to be a unlikable, cranky jerk who bothers Jamie for information of Michael Myers and lashes out at her for keeping quiet and even ''uses her for bait as bait'' to get Michael into his trap''.trap.
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** Less to do with the special effects and more with the editing as throughout the film, there are random jumpcuts during scenes within the same shot like when Jamie is looking for a place to hide in the Myers house before finding the laundry chute.
** The most obvious two moments happen during death scenes which were trimmed down to avoid the X rating; When Mikey's body is twitching after getting the garden claw to the face and the officer having his face smashed into the broken driver side window.
** Less to do with the special effects and more with the editing as throughout the film, there are random jumpcuts during scenes within the same shot like when Jamie is looking for a place to hide in the Myers house before finding the laundry chute.
** The most obvious two moments happen during death scenes which were trimmed down to avoid the X rating; When Mikey's body is twitching after getting the garden claw to the face and the officer having his face smashed into the broken driver side window.
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** Earlier, the death of Charlie the policeman while protecting Jamie from Michael inside the Myers House. Up to his last breath, he tried to comfort Jamie in spite of the circumstances and commended her for her bravery.
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** Earlier, the death of Deputy Charlie the policeman while protecting Jamie from Michael inside the Myers House. Up to his last breath, he tried to comfort Jamie in spite of the circumstances and commended her for her bravery.bravery (while [[WhatTheHellHero taking Loomis to task]] for endangering Jamie by using her as a means to the end of stopping Michael once and for all).
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** Earlier, the death of Charlie the policeman while protecting Jamie from Michael inside the Loomis House. Up to his last breath, he tried to comfort Jamie in spite of the circumstances and commended her for her bravery.
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** Earlier, the death of Charlie the policeman while protecting Jamie from Michael inside the Loomis Myers House. Up to his last breath, he tried to comfort Jamie in spite of the circumstances and commended her for her bravery.
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** Earlier, the death of Charlie the policeman protecting Jamie, whom he had previously tried to comfort and commended for her bravery.
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** Earlier, the death of Charlie the policeman while protecting Jamie, whom Jamie from Michael inside the Loomis House. Up to his last breath, he had previously tried to comfort Jamie in spite of the circumstances and commended her for her bravery.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: One of the main reasons for the films [[{{Sequelitis}} more negative reputation amongst fans]]. Between the movie [[spoiler:killing off [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rachel, one of the more likable characters from the past film]] [[ReplacementScrappy in favor of focusing on her more annoying best friend]] Tina]], the inclusion of annoying, incompetent and downright idiotic characters you’re rooting for Michael to kill, and the overall bleak feeling the film sets up like the aforementioned [[spoiler:death of Rachel and even the ''ending'' where you believe that everything is fine now that Michael is in jail, only for the Man In Black to show up, free Michael, kill ''all'' the cops and leave Jamie all alone with her knowing it’s never going to end (and the [[Film/HalloweenTheCurseOfMichaelMyers next film]] making it [[FromBadToWorse even worse knowing she’s been kidnapped by the cult just moments later]])]], a lot of fans find it hard to root for anyone or anything in the movie.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: One of the main reasons for the films [[{{Sequelitis}} more negative reputation amongst fans]]. Between the movie [[spoiler:killing off [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rachel, one of the more likable characters from the past film]] [[ReplacementScrappy in favor of focusing on her more annoying best friend]] Tina]], the inclusion of annoying, incompetent and downright idiotic characters you’re rooting for Michael to kill, and the overall bleak feeling the film sets up like the aforementioned [[spoiler:death of Rachel and even the ''ending'' where you believe that everything is fine now that Michael is in jail, only for the Man In Black to show up, free Michael, kill ''all'' the cops and leave Jamie all alone with her knowing it’s never going to end (and the [[Film/HalloweenTheCurseOfMichaelMyers next film]] making it [[FromBadToWorse even worse knowing she’s been kidnapped by the cult just moments later]])]], a lot of fans find it hard to root for anyone or anything in the movie.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Michael's mask in this film is one of his most widely disliked masks in the series; it has a rather blank expression, long hair and crude looking paint job. Therefore, it looks absolutely nothing like the original film's or even the previous film's mask that it's supposed to be.
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** Michael's mask in this film is one of his most widely disliked masks in the series; it has a rather blank expression, long hair and crude looking paint job. Therefore, it looks absolutely nothing like the original film's or even the previous film's mask that it's supposed to be.
** Michael's mask in this film is one of his most widely disliked masks in the series; it has a rather blank expression, long hair and crude looking paint job. Therefore, it looks absolutely nothing like the original film's or even the previous film's mask that it's supposed to be.
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** Michael stabbing at Jamie through the laundry chute. According to [[WebVideo/DeadMeat James A. Janeisse]], it's a scene that fans of the fifth film cite as a favorite part.
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** Michael stabbing at Jamie through the laundry chute. According to [[WebVideo/DeadMeat James A. Janeisse]], it's a scene that fans of the fifth film cite as a favorite part.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Matthew Walker, who plays one of Michael Myers' victims in this film, would play Mikey, a second unit assistant director who works for Creator/ChristopherWalken's character Frank Kincaid in the now-defunct [[Ride/UniversalStudios Universal Studios Florida]] part-ride/part-show special effects attraction ''Ride/{{Disaster}}'' that operated from 2008 to 2015 with Mikey as the main host for the park attendees.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Matthew Walker, who plays one of Michael Myers' victims in this film, would around two decades later play Mikey, a second unit assistant director who works for Creator/ChristopherWalken's character Frank Kincaid in the now-defunct [[Ride/UniversalStudios Universal Studios Florida]] part-ride/part-show special effects attraction ''Ride/{{Disaster}}'' that operated from 2008 to 2015 with Mikey as the main host for the park attendees.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Matthew Walker, who plays one of Michael Myers' victims in this film, would play Mikey, a second unit assistant director who works for Creator/ChristopherWalken's character Frank Kincaid in the now-defunct [[Ride/UniversalStudios Universal Studios Florida]] part-ride/part-show special effects attraction ''Ride/{{Disaster}}'' that operated from 2008 to 2015 with Mikey as the main host for the park attendees.
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* When the gunfire goes off in the police station, the officer in charge of protecting Jamie runs into the station instead of driving off to ensure Jamie's safety. Not only does he fail to save anyone but it's revealed in the next movie that Jamie was then kidnapped by the cult responsible for the massacre and lived a tortured teenagehood before eventually dying a gruesome fate.
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*WhatAnIdiot: When the gunfire goes off in the police station, the officer in charge of protecting Jamie runs into the station instead of driving off to ensure Jamie's safety. Not only does he fail to save anyone but it's revealed in the next movie that Jamie was then kidnapped by the cult responsible for the massacre and lived a tortured teenagehood before eventually dying a gruesome fate.
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* WhatAnIdiot: As Michael raised his sacrificial knife, Jamie called out "Uncle!" and requested that he remove his mask so that she could see his eyes "Let me see." Michael paused, then removed his mask, She responded the he looked just like her watching as a SingleTear streaked down his face.
** '''You'd Expect:''' For Jamie to remain calm and not do anything but watch Michael's unmasked face with a tear. \\
** '''Instead:''' She asks to wipe the tear from Michael's face and reaches up and ''[[TooDumbToLive touches his face]]'' sending him into a rage and throwing the coffin. ''[[SarcasmMode Smooth move, Jamie]]''.\\
** When the gunfire goes off in the police station, the officer in charge of protecting Jamie runs into the station instead of driving off to ensure Jamie's safety. Not only does he fail to save anyone but it's revealed in the next movie that Jamie was then kidnapped by the cult responsible for the massacre and lived a tortured teenagehood before eventually dying a gruesome fate.
** '''You'd Expect:''' For Jamie to remain calm and not do anything but watch Michael's unmasked face with a tear. \\
** '''Instead:''' She asks to wipe the tear from Michael's face and reaches up and ''[[TooDumbToLive touches his face]]'' sending him into a rage and throwing the coffin. ''[[SarcasmMode Smooth move, Jamie]]''.\\
** When the gunfire goes off in the police station, the officer in charge of protecting Jamie runs into the station instead of driving off to ensure Jamie's safety. Not only does he fail to save anyone but it's revealed in the next movie that Jamie was then kidnapped by the cult responsible for the massacre and lived a tortured teenagehood before eventually dying a gruesome fate.
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* WhatAnIdiot: As Michael raised his sacrificial knife, Jamie called out "Uncle!" and requested that he remove his mask so that she could see his eyes "Let me see." Michael paused, then removed his mask, She responded the he looked just like her watching as a SingleTear streaked down his face.
** '''You'd Expect:''' For Jamie to remain calm and not do anything but watch Michael's unmasked face with a tear. \\
** '''Instead:''' She asks to wipe the tear from Michael's face and reaches up and ''[[TooDumbToLive touches his face]]'' sending him into a rage and throwing the coffin. ''[[SarcasmMode Smooth move, Jamie]]''.\\
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* When the gunfire goes off in the police station, the officer in charge of protecting Jamie runs into the station instead of driving off to ensure Jamie's safety. Not only does he fail to save anyone but it's revealed in the next movie that Jamie was then kidnapped by the cult responsible for the massacre and lived a tortured teenagehood before eventually dying a gruesomefate.
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** '''You'd Expect:''' For Jamie to remain calm and not do anything but watch Michael's unmasked face with a tear. \\
** '''Instead:''' She asks to wipe the tear from Michael's face and reaches up and ''[[TooDumbToLive touches his face]]'' sending him into a rage and throwing the coffin. ''[[SarcasmMode Smooth move, Jamie]]''.\\
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** A lot of the problems people have with the plot seem like they could have been fixed if Tina and Rachel's roles in the film were switched, allowing the much-more annoying Tina to be killed to kick-start the plot with a bunch of new victims and allowing Rachel a HeroicSacrifice in preventing Michael from killing her sister. Even the producer and actress came to realize this, though only after the movie was already done filming.
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** The film was made on limited budget and it shows in the costuming. Despite it being Halloween, everyone is running around in RummageSaleReject costumes, even the main characters. Of particular note is Tina's, which is some sort of maid-vampire-Victorian woman....thing. Samantha's is the only decent one, complete with stockings and all sorts of nice details on the costume, which was because apparently Tina was originally supposed to be dressed in it before someone objected to the heroine dressing as the devil and they switched.
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** The ending is rather bleak. When Jamie reaches Michael's empty cell she utters a heartbreaking "No..No!"
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** The Myers house explicitly looking like a friggin' mansion for no reason.
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** The Myers house explicitly looking like a friggin' mansion for no reason. It almost makes it appear like Loomis was so crazy, he took everyone to the wrong house.
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** A lot of fans generally consider Michael's crying to be a VillainDecay moment. The viewpoint being that Michael crying kills the scary aura of him and the original concept of Michael being pure evil .
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* TheScrappy: Spitz, Mikey, Samantha, Billy, the two comic relief Cops.... Really, it's just a cast full of Scrappies. [[spoiler:Thankfully they all die by the end of the movie, except for Billy (who's mercifully the least offensive of them).]]
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* TheScrappy: Spitz, Mikey, Samantha, Billy, the two comic relief Cops.... Really, it's just a cast full of Scrappies. [[spoiler:Thankfully [[spoiler:[[TakeThatScrappy Thankfully they all die by the end of the movie, movie]], except for Billy (who's mercifully the least offensive of them).]]
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* DesignatedHero: Dr. Loomis is supposed to be a heroic, confident and sacrificial psychiatrist like in the previous films, but here, he's shown to be a unlikable, cranky jerk who bothers Jamie for information of Michael Myers and lashes out at her for keeping quiet and even ''uses her for bait to get Michael into his trap''.
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** A lot people think that Jamie is the only reason to watch this movie, primarily for Danielle Harris giving a great performance and the fact she doesn't actually do anything obnoxious.
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** Michael floating down a river.
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* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Danielle Harris was already praised for her performance in both this and [[Film/Halloween4TheReturnOfMichaelMyers Halloween 4]], but many found the scene when she discovered Rachel’s lifeless body to be her most convincing and most heartbreaking performance in the whole series.
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* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct [[SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Danielle Harris was already praised for her performance in both this and [[Film/Halloween4TheReturnOfMichaelMyers Halloween 4]], but 4]]. But, many found the scene when she discovered Rachel’s lifeless body to be her most convincing and most heartbreaking [[{{Tearjerker}} heartbreaking]] performance in the whole series.
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* {{Tearjerker}}: Though the scene where Michael is called uncle, sheds a tear, takes off his mask, and reels back in shame when Jamie tries to touch him could be considered {{narm}}, consider this; Michael may be FAR from sympathetic, but it seemed that there was at least some bit of humanity in his heart. Considering that he never openly takes any joy in killing (just pure emotionless killing, with some sinister tendencies), this implies that Michael is a slave to evil. A disease that can never, EVER be cured. And for a moment...he knew this.
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** The scene where Michael is called uncle, sheds [[SingleTear atear, tear]], takes off his mask, and reels back in shame when Jamie tries to touch him could be considered {{narm}}, {{Narm}}. But, consider this; Michael may be FAR from sympathetic, but it seemed that there was at least some bit of humanity in his heart. Considering that he never openly takes any joy in killing (just pure emotionless killing, with some sinister tendencies), this implies that Michael is a slave to evil. A disease that can never, EVER be cured. And for a moment...he knew this.
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