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** Some fans will include in their main argument of why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and ''did''! Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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** Some fans will include in their main argument of why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and ''did''! Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, albums and half a dozen's worth of EPs, EPs to profit off of the fangirls, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, their success, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion ForegoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.result, making many detractors take them even ''less' seriously.
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** Some fans will include in their main argument of why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and did. Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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** Some fans will include in their main argument of why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and did. ''did''! Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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** Some fans will include in their arguments why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and did. Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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** Some fans will include in their arguments main argument of why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten is because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and did. Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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** Some fans will include in their arguments why 5 Seconds of Summer deserves the success they've gotten because of the fact that they essentially quit school to tour with One Direction not knowing what was going to happen next and not knowing if they were going to fail or succeed. The problem with this argument? They toured with ''One Direction''! A boyband with a ''massive'' fandom of teenage girls that were ''bound'' to take a shine to them, and did. Given 5 Seconds of Summer are almost the same ages as them, they're four good looking males, and they play the same kinds of music, just with a light PopPunk edge to their sound, they were ''guaranteed'' a built-in audience waiting to spend their money on their future albums and merch. The fact that they produced over ''50'' tracks in 2 years from 2014-2015 spanning 2 deluxe albums, and half a dozen's worth of EPs, have a ''massive'' fandom of teenage fangirls, and have reached a ''ton'' more success even their predecessors have in ''their'' early years as recording artists, not only did this prove the detractors who treated that, and still do, like the ForgoneConclusion it was, it makes their fangirls suffer from FanDumb and OpinionMyopia as a result.
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* {{ItsTheSameNowItSucks}}/{{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}}: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* {{ItsTheSameNowItSucks}}/{{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}}: ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* {ItsTheSameNowItSucks}/{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* {ItsTheSameNowItSucks}/{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}: {{ItsTheSameNowItSucks}}/{{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}}: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks/TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: {ItsTheSameNowItSucks}/{TheyCopiedItSoItSucks}: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: ItsTheSameNowItSucks/TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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** Also, do NOT say they sound like another band, are lackluster, or anything else that can be construed as bad criticism. You WILL get swarmed by the VocalMinority trying to shoot you down no matter how true your point may be. Unless you want to troll the ones who do, then go ahead.
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** Also, do NOT say they sound like another band, are lackluster, or anything else that can be construed as bad criticism. You WILL get swarmed by the VocalMinority trying to shoot you down no matter how true your point may be. Unless you want to troll the ones who do, then go ahead.by all means...
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to another one from years before angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about.
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to another one other ones from years before before, angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about.about, or will outright deny the claims.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian pop punk/pop rock having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction to have made it big in America.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian pop punk/pop rock band having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction to have made it big in America.
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to another one from years before angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about.
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot 'American Idiot' as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to another one from years before angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: As mentioned down below, a big part of the criticism aimed at them rests in the fact that they, largely, try way too hard to emulate the sounds of their influences (All Time Low, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, etc) without doing a lot, or anything at all, to differentiate themselves from them and it's led to many calling them out on the sound-alike songs they've recorded and wishing they'd actually try to make something original for once, as when they actually try to do so, they show great promise.
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** Same goes with fellow Australian British pop rock act The Vamps.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having the exact same instrumental as Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g "Sugar, We're Goin' Down"]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY "18"]] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] stealing part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y "Everlong"]] at 1:54, & [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0X7u_mmREE "Jet Black Heart"]] sounding like a slowed down version of Music/PanicAtTheDisco's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8jV7r6VMk "Girls/Girls/Boys"]], or something by Music/{{My Chemical Romance}}. It's a wonder they haven't been sued. Doesn't help when there's the fact that a majority of their fanbase simply [[FandomBerserkButton refuses]] to even remotely acknowledge the similarities, defending the songs with the "argument" that "there's only enough chords in the world", rather than demanding better from their favorite band. It wouldn't be that bad if they credited the writers of those songs in the writers' credit part of those songs, but they don't 99% of the time. The only song they credited the original song writers with is Music/{{Duran Duran}} for their song [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGbvv4IhNU "Hey Everybody!"]], which means on some level, they're aware of what they're doing when writing songs. Coupled with other stuff they've done, they've effectively created a section of the Pop Punk fanbase that absolutely LOATHES them because they don't show an honest intent at any originality most of the time, and when they do, it's not that good, or at least not as good as the bands that inspire them. They're fans don't help that either, but that's the VocalMinority of a fanbase for you.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having the exact same instrumental as Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g "Sugar, We're Goin' Down"]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY "18"]] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] stealing part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y "Everlong"]] at 1:54, & [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0X7u_mmREE "Jet Black Heart"]] sounding like a slowed down version of Music/PanicAtTheDisco's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8jV7r6VMk "Girls/Girls/Boys"]], or something by Music/{{My Chemical Romance}}. It's a wonder they haven't been sued. Doesn't help when there's the fact that a majority of their fanbase simply [[FandomBerserkButton refuses]] to even remotely acknowledge the similarities, defending the songs with the "argument" that "there's only enough chords in the world", rather than demanding better from their favorite band. It wouldn't be that bad if they credited the writers of those songs in the writers' credit part of those songs, but they don't 99% of the time. The only song they credited the original song writers with is Music/{{Duran Duran}} for their song [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGbvv4IhNU "Hey Everybody!"]], which means on some level, they're aware of what they're doing when writing songs. Coupled with other stuff they've done, they've effectively created a section of the Pop Punk fanbase that absolutely LOATHES them because they don't show an honest intent at any originality most of the time, and when they do, it's not that good, or at least not as good as the bands that inspire them. They're Their fans don't help that either, but that's the VocalMinority of a fanbase for you.
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** There's also the fact that their sound is obviously taken very much from All Time Low. Yeah, Alex Gaskarth has written with them, but that's no excuse.
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** There's also the fact that their sound [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0Cv84OTeDd5h29bYRYxKl2fTIe6hoHQy This]] playlist is obviously taken very much from All Time Low. Yeah, Alex Gaskarth has written with them, but that's no excuse.dedicated to pointing all of them out.
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** Also, do NOT say they sound like another band, are lackluster, or anything else that can be construed as bad criticism. You WILL get swarmed by the VocalMinority trying to shoot you down no matter how true your point may be. Unless you want to troll the ones who do, then go ahead.
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it.
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* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it. Then there are the Pop Punk fans who recognize their songs as sounding eerily similar to another one from years before angering the 5SOS fans who clearly don't hear what they're talking about.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Examples include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLdqeNl5nQ "Social Casualty”]] having the exact same instrumental as Music/{{Fall Out Boy}}'s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG-vLZrb-g "Sugar, We're Goin' Down"]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6o0iMfTbY "18"]] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment randomly]] stealing part of the instrumental to Music/{{Foo Fighters}}' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y "Everlong"]] at 1:54, & [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0X7u_mmREE "Jet Black Heart"]] sounding like a slowed down version of Music/PanicAtTheDisco's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8jV7r6VMk "Girls/Girls/Boys"]], or something by Music/{{My Chemical Romance}}. It's a wonder they haven't been sued. Doesn't help when there's the fact that a majority of their fanbase simply [[FandomBerserkButton refuses]] to even remotely acknowledge the similarities, defending the songs with the "argument" that "there's only enough chords in the world", rather than demanding better from their favorite band. It wouldn't be that bad if they credited the writers of those songs in the writers' credit part of those songs, but they don't 99% of the time. The only song they credited the original song writers with is Music/{{Duran Duran}} for their song [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGbvv4IhNU "Hey Everybody!"]], which means on some level, they're aware of what they're doing when writing songs. Coupled with other stuff they've done, they've effectively created a section of the Pop Punk fanbase that absolutely LOATHES them because they don't show an honest intent at any originality most of the time, and when they do, it's not that good, or at least not as good as the bands that inspire them. They're fans don't help that either, but that's the VocalMinority of a fanbase for you.
** There's also the fact that their sound is obviously taken very much from All Time Low. Yeah, Alex Gaskarth has written with them, but that's no excuse.
** There's also the fact that their sound is obviously taken very much from All Time Low. Yeah, Alex Gaskarth has written with them, but that's no excuse.
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* AwardSnub: 5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end for the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category.
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* AwardSnub: 5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end for the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category. And that's to say nothing about 5SOS being snubbed in 2016 in favor of 1D, despite the fact that the latter are on hiatus and the former are still active.
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** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
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** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite day, despite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
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* FandomBerserkButton: To put it simply, 5SOS fans do ''not'' like to hear the band's name pronounced "5 S.O.S". The correct pronunciation is "5 sauce."
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* FandomBerserkButton: To put it simply, 5SOS fans do ''not'' like to hear the band's name nickname pronounced "5 S.O.S". The correct pronunciation is "5 sauce."
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}}]]?
** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}}]]?
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** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than5SOS.5SOS.
* SignatureSong: "She Looks So Perfect".
** Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than
* SignatureSong: "She Looks So Perfect".
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hate dumb is Flame Bait
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* HateDumb
** The hatedumb from pop acts originates from the same place as any other pop hatedumb: arguments over which act is better and anger over perceived slights one act has said in the media over the other. It gets outright scary when fans of other acts make trending topics on Twitter to either tell 5SOS fans to self harm or ''pretend'' to be 5SOS fans telling Ashton to self harm.
** The hatedumb from pop punk acts involves misconceptions of the bands gained by being described as a boy band in the media and the general rock fan distaste for pop music leaking into rock subgenres that are closer to pop than. This leads to pop punk fans specifically complaining about 5SOS not being "punk enough"...using acts for comparison like Fall Out Boy, All Time Low, and blink-182 that also get called "not punk enough". Traditional punk never comes up in these comparisons.
** Purely punk fans have mostly stayed out of it, with one big exception. 5SOS's performance on the 2013 American Music Awards got criticism from a few oldschool punks, due to Luke prominently wearing a Misfits t-shirt despite being on an awards show and being in a commercially successful act. These complaints got countercritiqued by other punk, 5SOS, and general music fans who mentioned that [[http://www.stereogum.com/1680049/danzigs-suing-jerry-only-for-putting-the-misfits-logo-on-a-bunch-of-tacky-crap/franchises/wheres-the-beef/ the Misfits are one of the most commercialized punk acts of all time]].
** Another prominent hatedom comes in the form of fans of DefendPopPunk like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck and Transit who detest the band for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands.
** The hatedumb from pop acts originates from the same place as any other pop hatedumb: arguments over which act is better and anger over perceived slights one act has said in the media over the other. It gets outright scary when fans of other acts make trending topics on Twitter to either tell 5SOS fans to self harm or ''pretend'' to be 5SOS fans telling Ashton to self harm.
** The hatedumb from pop punk acts involves misconceptions of the bands gained by being described as a boy band in the media and the general rock fan distaste for pop music leaking into rock subgenres that are closer to pop than. This leads to pop punk fans specifically complaining about 5SOS not being "punk enough"...using acts for comparison like Fall Out Boy, All Time Low, and blink-182 that also get called "not punk enough". Traditional punk never comes up in these comparisons.
** Purely punk fans have mostly stayed out of it, with one big exception. 5SOS's performance on the 2013 American Music Awards got criticism from a few oldschool punks, due to Luke prominently wearing a Misfits t-shirt despite being on an awards show and being in a commercially successful act. These complaints got countercritiqued by other punk, 5SOS, and general music fans who mentioned that [[http://www.stereogum.com/1680049/danzigs-suing-jerry-only-for-putting-the-misfits-logo-on-a-bunch-of-tacky-crap/franchises/wheres-the-beef/ the Misfits are one of the most commercialized punk acts of all time]].
** Another prominent hatedom comes in the form of fans of DefendPopPunk like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck and Transit who detest the band for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands.
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** Another prominent hatedom comes in the form of fans of DefendPopPunk like The Wonder Years, The Story So Far, Knuckle Puck and Transit who detest the band for "ruining pop punk" by bucking the "slice of shitty life" style of the aforementioned bands.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian pop punk/pop rock having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only one besides One Direction to have made it big in America.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian pop punk/pop rock having international success was virtually unheard of. To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the only foreign one besides One Direction to have made it big in America.
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* FandomBerserkButton: To put it simply, 5SOS fans do ''not'' like to hear the band's name pronounced "5 S.O.S". The correct pronunciation is "5 sauce."
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* AwardSnub: Subverted. Although they were snubbed for Favorite Music Group, this exclusion is justified so that Nick would not have to nominate them against One Direction and risk either group having a loss on their record. This dilemma led to the creation of a Favorite New Artist category so 5SOS can get an award without having to worry about 1D, and vice versa.
** 5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category.
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side, though.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian boy band having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in the U.S., considering they and One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on the boy band market.
** 5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category.
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side, though.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian boy band having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in the U.S., considering they and One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on the boy band market.
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* AwardSnub: Subverted. Although they were snubbed for Favorite Music Group, this exclusion is justified so that Nick would not have to nominate them against One Direction and risk either group having a loss on their record. This dilemma led to the creation of a Favorite New Artist category so 5SOS can get an award without having to worry about 1D, and vice versa.
**5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end for the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category.
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side,though.
though. This mostly one-sided rivalry gets even more stupid since Fall Out Boy ''likes'' 5SOS, even going as far to get into contact with John Feldy when they heard something Luke said in an interview taken out of context. Pete also [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see called out Fall Out Boy fans]] who were getting on the cases of new fans who got into FOB due to 5SOS.
* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for5SOS.
5SOS. Some level of beef still occurs, though most fans don't get into it.
** Same goes with fellow Australian pop rock act The Vamps.
* FollowTheLeader: It's hard to see [[Music/{{McFly}} Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]] touring with One Direction as a attempt to capture some of the buzz that 5SOS got when they toured with 1D before.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australianboy band pop punk/pop rock having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in To those that consider them a boy band, they're seen as the U.S., considering they and only one besides One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on America.
* HateDumb
** The hatedumb from pop acts originates from the same place as any other pop hatedumb: arguments over which act is better and anger over perceived slights one act has said in the media over the other. It gets outright scary when fans of other acts make trending topics on Twitter to either tell 5SOS fans to self harm or ''pretend'' to be 5SOS fans telling Ashton to self harm.
** The hatedumb from pop punk acts involves misconceptions of the bands gained by being described as a boy bandmarket.in the media and the general rock fan distaste for pop music leaking into rock subgenres that are closer to pop than. This leads to pop punk fans specifically complaining about 5SOS not being "punk enough"...using acts for comparison like Fall Out Boy, All Time Low, and blink-182 that also get called "not punk enough". Traditional punk never comes up in these comparisons.
** Purely punk fans have mostly stayed out of it, with one big exception. 5SOS's performance on the 2013 American Music Awards got criticism from a few oldschool punks, due to Luke prominently wearing a Misfits t-shirt despite being on an awards show and being in a commercially successful act. These complaints got countercritiqued by other punk, 5SOS, and general music fans who mentioned that [[http://www.stereogum.com/1680049/danzigs-suing-jerry-only-for-putting-the-misfits-logo-on-a-bunch-of-tacky-crap/franchises/wheres-the-beef/ the Misfits are one of the most commercialized punk acts of all time]].
* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}}]]?
**Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
**
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side,
* FanMyopia: Part of the backlash against 5SOS from some pop punk fans comes from this. When you have 5SOS fans that are less familiar with rock and pop punk confusing their cover of Music/GreenDay's American Idiot as an original song, there's bound to be some rustled jimmies. There's also a sizable amount of these pop punk fans angry about 5SOS fans calling the band things like "the next blink-182". These comments are either made by a very small amount of misguided 5SOS fans, entirely made up, or obvious troll fodder, but that doesn't stop that segment of pop punk fans from getting very, very angry about it.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for
** Same goes with fellow Australian pop rock act The Vamps.
* FollowTheLeader: It's hard to see [[Music/{{McFly}} Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}} Busted]] touring with One Direction as a attempt to capture some of the buzz that 5SOS got when they toured with 1D before.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to 5SOS, an Australian
* HateDumb
** The hatedumb from pop acts originates from the same place as any other pop hatedumb: arguments over which act is better and anger over perceived slights one act has said in the media over the other. It gets outright scary when fans of other acts make trending topics on Twitter to either tell 5SOS fans to self harm or ''pretend'' to be 5SOS fans telling Ashton to self harm.
** The hatedumb from pop punk acts involves misconceptions of the bands gained by being described as a boy band
** Purely punk fans have mostly stayed out of it, with one big exception. 5SOS's performance on the 2013 American Music Awards got criticism from a few oldschool punks, due to Luke prominently wearing a Misfits t-shirt despite being on an awards show and being in a commercially successful act. These complaints got countercritiqued by other punk, 5SOS, and general music fans who mentioned that [[http://www.stereogum.com/1680049/danzigs-suing-jerry-only-for-putting-the-misfits-logo-on-a-bunch-of-tacky-crap/franchises/wheres-the-beef/ the Misfits are one of the most commercialized punk acts of all time]].
* OlderThanTheyThink: Wait, people aren't sure if 5SOS is a pop punk band or a boy band? Are we talking about [[Music/McFly Mc]][[Music/{{Busted}}]]?
**Music/FallOutBoy and [[Music/{{Blink182}} blink-182]], two of 5SOS' talked about influences, also had "boy band" and "not punk enough" thrown at them back in the daydespite both bands having a stronger punk pedigree than 5SOS.
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* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad
from the other side, though.
from the other side, though.
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* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad
bad from the other side, though.
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** 5SOS lost to Fifth Harmony in the end despite being the overwhelming favorite to win the category.
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly asbad bad
from the other side, though.
* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as
from the other side, though.
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* AwardSnub: Subverted. Although they were snubbed for Favorite Music Group, this exclusion is justified so that Nick would not have to nominate them against One Direction and risk either group having a loss on their record. This dilemma led to the creation of a Favorite New Artist category so 5SOS can get an award without having to worry about 1D, and vice versa.
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* FandomRivalry: With Music/FallOutBoy. Many FOB fans detract 5SOS for being a punk-pop "boy band" and their 1D affiliation. It hasn't been nearly as bad from the other side, though.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS.
* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/OneDirection, especially outside Australia where most 5SOS fans are Directioners who haven't abandoned 1D despite their newfound love for 5SOS.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to %SOS, an Australian boy band having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in the U.S., considering they and One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on the boy band market.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to %SOS, 5SOS, an Australian boy band having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in the U.S., considering they and One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on the boy band market.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Prior to %SOS, an Australian boy band having international success was virtually unheard of. Especially in the U.S., considering they and One Direction are the only international boy bands to have made it big in America. What's especially exciting is that they broke a seemingly impenetrable monopoly that 1D had on the boy band market.
