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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Fox's effort to make a gritty and grounded movie out of one of Marvel's silliest science-fantasy titles has already caused flak at the film's expense.
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** The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This quality?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Shortly after the movie was announced, fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse declared that a ''Fantastic Four'' movie would be better under their hands. This opinion has since grown exponentially after news broke out that the film was going to be a very loose adaptation of the comics.
* TheyJustDidntCare: Though time will tell on whether or not the movie is subject to this, the fact that the actors were not instructed to become familiar with the source material at all is not a good sign about the effort Fox is making to stay true to the characters.
* TheyJustDidntCare: Though time will tell on whether or not the movie is subject to this, the fact that the actors were not instructed to become familiar with the source material at all is not a good sign about the effort Fox is making to stay true to the characters.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, given that the Fantastic Four have consistently appeared in some of Marvel's most [[SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic fantastic]] - that is to say, ''not'' realistic - stories, and that part of the fun of the comics is that they '''aren't''' grounded.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, given that the Fantastic Four have consistently appeared in some of Marvel's most [[SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic fantastic]] - [[AccidentalPun that is to say, say]], ''not'' realistic - stories, and that part of the fun of the comics is that they '''aren't''' grounded.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, along with the announcement that they may or may not wear their iconic suits.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, along with given that the Fantastic Four have consistently appeared in some of Marvel's most [[SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic fantastic]] - that is to say, ''not'' realistic - stories, and that part of the fun of the comics is that they '''aren't''' grounded.
** The announcement that they may or may not wear their iconic suits.
** The announcement that they may or may not wear their iconic suits.
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** The recent announcement that the movie will ''not'' be based on the comic books themselves, or any storyline or arc whatsoever (in fact, the actors were told not to even bother to read the comics, that means, not learning about ''the characters they're playing on screen''), which has effectively broke audience's hope for the movie.
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Aside from the announcement and evidence within production of the film claiming to be based on Ultimate Fantastic Four and the high unlikely possibility of any professional executive making such a claim, there are no facts or news officially supporting this claim.
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** The recent announcement that the movie will ''not'' be based on the comic books themselves, or any storyline or arc whatsoever (in fact, the actors were told not to even bother to read the comics, that means, not learning about ''the characters they're playing on screen''), which has effectively broke audience's hope for the movie.
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** The recent announcement that the movie will ''not'' be based on the comic books themselves, or any storyline or arc whatsoever (in fact, the actors were told not to even bother to read the comics, that means, not learning about ''the characters the're playing on screen''), which has effectively broke audience's hope for the movie.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, along with the announcement that the they may or may not wear their iconic suits.
** The recent announcement that the movie will ''not'' be based on the comic books themselves, or any storyline or arc whatsoever (in fact, the actors were told not to even bother to read the comics, that means, not learning about ''the charactersthe're they're playing on screen''), which has effectively broke audience's hope for the movie.
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** The recent announcements of practically ''everything'', from talks abouts a more DarkerAndEdgier "grounded" take on the comics, to not even be based on the comics themselves.
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** The recent announcements of practically ''everything'', from talks abouts a more DarkerAndEdgier "grounded" take on the comics, to not even be based on the comics themselves.
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** The recent talk of a "more grounded" film, along with the announcement that the may or may not wear their iconic suits.
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** The recent announcement that the movie will ''not'' be based on the comic books themselves, or any storyline or arc whatsoever (in fact, the actors were told not to even bother to read the comics, that means, not learning about ''the characters the're playing on screen''), which has effectively broke audience's hope for the movie.
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That seems unlikely.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage, or that Susan was adopted).
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage, or that Susan was adopted).marriage).
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage).
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage).marriage, or that Susan was adopted).
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** The news about the movie being like Chronicle.
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** The news about the movie being like Chronicle.a Found Footage film similar to ''Film/{{Chronicle}}''.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage)
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the casting decisions regarding the titular team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage)marriage).
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** Just like with Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan series, the fact this film is not part of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse also have various people annoyed.
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** Just like with Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan series, the fact this film is not part of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse also have various people annoyed. Not helping matters are accusations that Marvel is cancelling their ''FF'' titles just to spite Fox.
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** The news about the movie being like Chronicle.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the internet seemed to unanimously cry "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?" at the casting decisions regarding the titular team. The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the internet seemed to unanimously cry "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?" at the casting decisions regarding the titular team. team has many saying, "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?". The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor.actor (they eventually announced that Johnny and Sue's father Franklin would also be black, apparently intending to convey that it was an interracial marriage)
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They also cast a black actor in the role of Franklin Storm, presumably intending to convey that Mama and Papa Storm were an interracial marriage.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the internet seemed to unanimously cry "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?" at the casting decisions regarding the titular team. The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor. The only way that this could possibly make sense [[ArtisticLicenseBiology without applying biology very liberally]] would be to establish one of them as adopted, and no such statement has been made.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the internet seemed to unanimously cry "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?" at the casting decisions regarding the titular team. The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor. The only way that this could possibly make sense [[ArtisticLicenseBiology without applying biology very liberally]] would be to establish one of them as adopted, and no such statement has been made.
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* WTHCastingAgency: As mentioned above, the internet seemed to unanimously cry "What the [[{{Pun}} FF]]?" at the casting decisions regarding the titular team. The biggest one would have to be the decision to have Susan Storm to be played by a white actress while her brother, Johnny Storm, is played by a black actor. The only way that this could possibly make sense [[ArtisticLicenseBiology without applying biology very liberally]] would be to establish one of them as adopted, and no such statement has been made.
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* HateDumb: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.
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* BrokenBase: The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
* InternetBackdraft: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.
* InternetBackdraft: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.
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* BrokenBase: The Fans seem to split on almost everything.
**The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
* InternetBackdraft: ** Doctor Doom being used as the villain again.
** The film's YoungerAndHipper take on the Four.
*HateDumb: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in thisreboot.reboot.
*InternetBackdraft: There have some very vocal complaints about the movie's cast.
**The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
** The film's YoungerAndHipper take on the Four.
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* BrokenBase: The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements, to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
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* BrokenBase: The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements, elements to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
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* BrokenBase: The fact that no ''X-Men'' crossover is planned (yet). Is it worth complaining that Fox is delaying its own spin on ''Film/TheAvengers''' crossover awesomeness, or is it ensuring that the movie won't simply act as a hasty way to introduce crossover elements, to [[Film/IronMan2 the detriment of its quality]]?[[note]]This has been a criticism of pre-''Avengers'' MCU movies, especially ''Film/IronMan2'' due to ExecutiveMeddling, although they have been well-reviewed overall.[[/note]]
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* InternetBackdraft: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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* InternetBackdraft: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.reboot.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the then rumored younger depictions of the characters which turned out to be true (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the then rumored younger depictions of the characters which turned out to be true (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the then rumored younger depictions of the characters which turned out to be true (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox proportionally rushing out to keep the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox proportionally rushing out to keep is pretty much making the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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* InternetBackdraft: There has been no short end to the negative feedback regarding Johnny Storm being portrayed by a black man in this reboot.reboot.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox proportionally rushing out to keep the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
** It was getting Backdraft before the casting was even a thing actually. Besides the RaceLift of Johnny Storm, there's the fact that Fox proportionally rushing out to keep the movie to keep the film rights away from Marvel, the younger depictions of the characters (granted, the idea is from the ''Ultimate'' comics), the darker tone, etc.
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