History YMMV / FamilyGuyS8E18QuagmiresDad

** Did the episode handle transsexuality well or was this yet another failure at trying to satirize alternative sexualities, as seen in "Family Gay" (to compare, ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' episode "Terry Unmarried" was commended for handling bisexuality well). Maybe the answer to this question is "This episode failed at handling transsexuality well, but not because the writers are transphobic, but probably because they didn't know a lot about it or [[ExecutiveMeddling FOX told them to tone down a lot of stuff that would have made the episode more believable and less offensive]]).

* NeverLiveItDown: Creator/SethMacFarlane's claim that Ida would be "the most sympathetic portrayal of a transgender character in television history" is frequently mocked whenever this episode is reviewed or discussed, due to the character being seen as [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic overly inconsiderate and selfish]], and the episode itself falling back on outdated and insensitive stereotypes about the transgender community, especially the overused trope of a character [[UnsettlingGenderReveal projectile vomiting after finding out that the person they found attractive was trans]]. His [[DearNegativeReader responses to criticism from the LGBT community after the episode's airing]] didn't help matters.

* SignatureScene: Quagmire's NoHoldsBarredBeatdown on Brian after learning the latter slept with his trans dad.

* DesignatedVillain: Quagmire is depicted as the villain of the episode for being inconsiderate of his father's needs, however, the episode doesn't elaborate on Ida's experiences with gender identity issues and it portrays Quagmire as being transphobic for not immediately accepting a life-changing revelation about his family. Quagmire is just in shock after discovering Ida's sexuality and isn't getting the right answers from his friends and family. The fact that Peter and ''especially'' Lois are actually transphobic but are never called out on it makes it worse. Ida is even portrayed as a martyr for telling Quagmire that she understands why he's having difficulty adjusting to all of this but Ida ruins this by phrasing the second part in the worst way possible, she guilt-trips Quagmire into accepting her decision without any forethought or empathy to how life-changing this is for him.
--> For me it was easy: Do I want to be happy the rest of my life or be miserable?

* DesignatedVillain: Quagmire is depicted as transphobic and Ida as a suffering hero, the episode doesn't elaborate on Ida's suffering or showed her experiences with growing up with gender identification issues. Quagmire is just in shock after discovering Ida's sexuality and is uncomfortable with having to blindly support an inconsiderate Ida. The fact that Peter and ''especially'' Lois are actually transphobic but are never called out on it makes it worse.

* SignatureScene: Quagmire's NoHoldsBarredBeatdown on Brian after learning the latter slept with Ida.

* BrokenBase: Did the episode handle transsexuality well or was this yet another failure at trying to satirize alternative sexualities, as seen in "Family Gay" (to compare, ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' episode "Terry Unmarried" was commended for handling bisexuality well). Maybe the answer to this question is "This episode failed at handling transsexuality well, but not because the writers are transphobic, but probably because they didn't know a lot about it or [[ExecutiveMeddling FOX told them to tone down a lot of stuff that would have made the episode more believable and less offensive]]).

** Sure Brian can be a jerk at times, but in this episode, it is hard not to feel bad for the canine when Quagmire beats the living crap out of him. There's also how Peter and Lois needlessly belittle and disrespect him whenever he interacts with them in this episode. Ida also didn't tell Brian about her recent surgery, something Brian would have needed to know before they had sex. As he could have damaged the surgical scars or caused other problems during sex, meaning Ida not only lied to him about her transition, her irresponsibility could have caused damage to both of them.

** Did Brian deserve to be beaten up by Quagmire? Yes, it's yet another example of Quagmire's hate for Brian (and very satisfying for people who hate Brian), but Brian didn't know anything about Quagmire's dad getting a sex change and Ida never told him about it. So really, only those who really do hate Brian will see it as something he deserved (although he did pin the tab on Quagmire's dad's room, really was just gonna do a one night stand, and did laugh after learning about Quagmire's dad gender reassignment surgery before it went to horrified {{Squick}} at putting two and two together, but that's still disproportionate).

* BrokenBase: Did the episode handle transsexuality well or was this yet another failure at trying to satirize alternative sexualities, as seen on "Family Gay" (to compare, ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' episode "Terry Unmarried" was commended for handling bisexuality well, even though that episode wasn't very good story-wise). Maybe the answer to this question is "This episode failed at handling transsexuality well, but not because the writers are transphobic, but probably because they didn't know a lot about it or [[ExecutiveMeddling FOX told them to tone down a lot of stuff that would have made the episode more believable and less offensive]]).

** It really doesn't help that Creator/SethMacFarlane was boasting that this episode would be "the most sympathetic portrayal of a transgender character in television history," only to be the umtillionth work of fiction to feature [[UnsettlingGenderReveal a character projectile vomiting after finding out that the person they found sexy was trans]].

** Another alternate idea could be that the episode wasn't from the viewpoint of a trans-person, it's about someone being told that their friend or loved one is transsexual and awaiting surgery for their transition. The episode was more about Quagmire dealing with the fact that his dad was actually transsexual and how he tries to come to terms with this revelation despite his questions and discomfort because his views of his father were completely changed in a few minutes despite knowing him for far longer.
* DesignatedVillain: Quagmire is depicted as transphobic and Ida as a suffering hero, the episode didn't elaborate on Ida's suffering or showed her experiences with growing up with gender identification issues. Quagmire is just in shock after discovering Ida's sexuality and is uncomfortable with having to blindly support an inconsiderate Ida. The fact that Peter and ''especially'' Lois are actually transphobic but are never called out on it makes it worse.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgender people, yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years, she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with. She also didn't tell Brian about her recent surgery, something Brian would have needed to know before they had sex since he could have damaged the surgical scars or caused other problems during sex without realizing meaning that she not only lied to him about her transition, but her irresponsibility could have caused damage to both of them.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgender people, yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years, she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with. She also didn't tell Brian about her recent surgery, something Brian would have needed to know before they had sex since he could have damaged the surgical scars or caused other problems during sex without realising.

* DesignatedVillain: Quagmire is depicted as transphobic and Ida as a suffering hero, the episode didn't elaborate on Ida's suffering or showed her experiences with growing up with gender identification issues. Quagmire is just in shock after discovering Ida's sexuality and is uncomfortable with having to blindly support an inconsiderate Ida.

** Quagmire is presented as the bad guy for not being able to handle Ida’s decision when in actuality he’s the only relatable character in the entire episode. How can you blame him for not accepting this change when everything he’s ever known has changed overnight? In fact, the episode just uses his reactions to invoke CringeComedy. The only reason he isn’t UnintentionallySympathetic is his NoHoldsBarredBeatdown on Brian for sleeping with his dad.

** Did Brian deserve to be beaten up by Quagmire? Yes, it's yet another example of Quagmire's hate for Brian (and very satisfying for people who hate Brian), but Brian didn't know anything about Quagmire's dad getting a sex change. So really, only those who really do hate Brian will see it as something he deserved (although he did pin the tab on Quagmire's dad's room, really was just gonna do a one night stand, and did laugh after learning about Quagmire's dad gender reassignment surgery before it went to horrified {{Squick}} at putting two and two together, but that's still disproportionate).

* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: [=MacFarlane=] ''really'' does nail Quagmire’s wrath and hatred at Brian during his beatdown, it’s terrifying.

-->'''Brent Hartinger''': A male character on the show has sex with a transgender character without her revealing her former-gender (extremely unlikely, IMHO, despite the fact that it's one of Hollywood's most popular transgender storylines), and when he finds out, he spews vomit for thirty seconds, then freaks out while another character compares the transgender person to a sex offender? And [=MacFarlane=] thinks the transsexual community will be "very, very happy" and that this is the most sympathetic television portrayal of such a character ever [...] Frankly, it's literally ''impossible'' for me to reconcile last night's episode with [=MacFarlane's=] words, unless I come to the conclusion that the man is pretty much a complete idiot.

* NauseaFuel: Brian throwing up to the point of forming a huge puke puddle... for a good ''30 seconds''.

* BrokenBase: Did the episode handle transsexuality well or was this yet another failure at trying to satirize alternative sexualities, as seen on "Family Gay" (to compare, ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' episode "Terry Unmarried" was commended for handling bisexuality well. Maybe the answer to this question is "This episode failed at handling transsexuality well, but not because the writers are transphobic, but probably because they didn't know a lot about it or [[ExecutiveMeddling FOX told them to tone down a lot of stuff that would have made the episode more believable and less offensive]]).

** Another alternate idea could be that the episode wasn't from the viewpoint of a trans-person, it's about someone being told that their friend or loved one is transsexual and awaiting surgery for their transition. The episode was more about Quagmire dealing with the fact that his dad was actually transsexual and how he tries to come to terms with this revelation despite his questions and discomfort, because his views of his father were completely changed in a few minutes despite knowing him for far longer.
* DesignatedVillain: Quagmire is depicted as transphobic and Ida as a suffering hero. The episode didn't show any evidence of Ida's suffering or having any discomfort as a man. Quagmire is just in shock after discovering Ida's sexuality and is uncomfortable with having to blindly support an inconsiderate Ida.

* JerkassWoobie: Sure Brian can be a jerk at times, but in this episode, it is hard not to feel bad for the canine when Quagmire beats the living crap out of him. There's also how Peter and Lois needlessly belittle and disrespect him whenever he interacts with them in this episode.
** Quagmire is presented as the bad guy for not being able to handle Ida’s decision when in actuality he’s the only relatable character in the entire episode. How can you blame him for not accepting this change when everything he’s ever known has changed over night? In fact the episode just uses his reactions to invoke CringeComedy. The only reason he isn’t UnintentionallySympathetic is his NoHoldsBarredBeatdown on Brian for sleeping with his dad.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgender people, yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years, she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgender people, yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years, she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with.

* JerkassWoobie: Sure Brian can be a jerk at times, but in this episode, it is hard not to feel bad for the canine when Quagmire beats the living crap out of him.

** Did Brian deserve to be beaten up by Quagmire? Yes, it's yet another example of Quagmire's hate for Brian (and very satisfying for people who hate Brian), but Brian didn't know anything about Quagmire's dad getting a sex change. So really, only those who really do hate Brian will see it as something he deserved (although he did pin the tab on Quagmire's dad's room and really was just gonna do a one night stand but that's still disproportionate).

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co7OL5T3XEw Jem]] Ida is this. The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgender people, yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with.

* ShowDontTell: The episode has a big problem with this, as the audience never actually sees Ida’s struggles or what she had to go through before deciding something as big as a sex change. She says she was unhappy, but because of the way the episode just shoves it at you, You don’t actually see the struggle. Therefore you can’t sympathize with her, because you can’t grasp how she feels about her situation.

* ShowDontTell: The episode has a big problem with this as the audience never actually sees Ida’s struggles or what she had to go through before deciding something as big as a sex change. She says she was unhappy but by the way the episode just shoves it at you. You don’t actually see it and therefore you can’t sympathize with her because you can’t grasp how she feels
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co7OL5T3XEw Jem]] Ida is this. The episode was meant to be a sympathetic portrayal of the transgendered yet despite the fact that Ida had the advantage of thinking about this for years she never thought about how it would affect her son. She never told her son who idolizes her about her intentions to become a woman. She gave him no time to adjust, yet she scolded him for not taking it well right off the bat while ignoring the fact that Peter and Lois were openly mocking her. And then she reveals that she didn’t even consider how he’d take it to begin with.

* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: MacFarlane ''really'' does nail Quagmire’s wrath and hatred at Brian during his beatdown, it’s terrifying.

* HeReallyCanAct: MacFarlane ''really'' does nail Quagmire’s wrath and hatred at Brian during his beatdown, it’s terrifying.

* BrokenBase: Did the episode handle transsexuality well or was this yet another failure at trying to satirize alternative sexualities, as seen on "Family Gay" (to compare, ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' episode "Terry Unmarried" was commended for handling bisexuality well. Maybe the answer to this question is "This episode failed at handling transsexuality well, but not because the writers are transphobic, but probably because they didn't know a lot about it or [[ExecutiveMeddling FOX told them to tone down a lot of stuff that would have made the episode more believable and less offensive]]). Another alternate idea could be that the episode wasn't from the viewpoint of a transsexual, it's about someone being told that their friend or loved one is transsexual and awaiting surgery for their transition. The episode was more about Quagmire dealing with the fact that his dad was actually transsexual and how he tries to come to terms with this revelation despite his questions and discomfort, because his views of his father were completely changed in a few minutes despite knowing him for far longer.