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* MST3KMantra: There aren't dragons. But '''''if''''' there were, this is what they'd be like.
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** [[HereThereWereDragons The entire premise]], when you think about it long enough; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now... and now, they are all ''extinct'' ''[[HumansAreBastards because of us.]]''
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** [[HereThereWereDragons The entire premise]], when you think about it long enough; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now... and now, they are all ''extinct'' ''[[HumansAreBastards because of us.]]'']]''
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* MST3KMantra: There aren't dragons. But if there were, this is what they'd be like.
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* MST3KMantra: There aren't dragons. But if '''''if''''' there were, this is what they'd be like.
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** [[HereThereWereDragons The entire premise]], if when you think about it; it long enough; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now... and now, they are all ''extinct'' ''[[HumansAreBastards because of us.]]''
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** The entire premise, if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...and now, they are all ''extinct ''[[{{HumansAreBastards}} because of us.]]''
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** [[HereThereWereDragons The entire premise, premise]], if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...now... and now, they are all ''extinct ''[[{{HumansAreBastards}} ''extinct'' ''[[HumansAreBastards because of us.]]''
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** The entire premise, if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...and now, they are all ''gone''.
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** The entire premise, if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...and now, they are all ''gone''.''extinct ''[[{{HumansAreBastards}} because of us.]]''
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* FridgeLogic - So the reason platinum is one of the rarest and most valuable metals is because dragons ate most of it?
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* FridgeLogic - FridgeLogic: So the reason platinum is one of the rarest and most valuable metals is because dragons ate most of it?
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* TearJerker - PopularWithFurries: Many dragon fans take inspiration from the documentary.
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** [[spoiler: The mother dragon returning to find her daughter has been slain by humans.]]
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** [[spoiler: The mother dragon returning to find her daughter has been slain by humans.]]
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* MST3KMantra: There weren't dragons. But if there was, this is what they'd be like.
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* MST3KMantra: There weren't aren't dragons. But if there was, were, this is what they'd be like.
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** The entire premise, if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...and now, they are all ''gone''.
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** The entire premise, if you think about it; the very idea that such creatures as dragons once existed and were such magnificent and wonderful creatures, unlike anything alive now...and now, they are all ''gone''.
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that some fish ancestors evolved to amphibians, some amphibians evolutionary descendants include land based reptiles, some reptiles evolved to synapsids (AKA mammal-like reptiles), Synapsids evolutionary descendants include mammals, of which a line would eventually lead to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] which in turn is the ancestors of whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of a stretch than it seems at first.
*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.
**** It's possible they lost fire because they didn't have access to platinum, which is needed to ignite the gasses. The gasses would remain for buoyancy, but with no catalyst there's no fire.
** I feel I should point out that despite all appearances, the Marine Dragon wasn't actually proven to exist in-universe. Even in the context of the show, the Marine Dragon was completely speculative, its existence based entirely on the presence of sea serpents in mythology, the palatal valve of the Mountain and Forest Dragons (which, unlike the whole process of fire breathing, IS a simple enough structure to have evolved more than once) and the line of reasoning that dragons survived the K-Pg extinction event by become aquatic (which you have shown to be faulty). That's not much to go on. So perhaps the reality of things was a little different? Perhaps dragons survived the K-Pg extinction by some other means (maybe by being small like mammals and birds) and the Marine Dragon (if it did exist) was more of a distantly related offshoot than a direct ancestor of the more recent species? It seems possible that, even after he's been proven to be right all along, [[FridgeBrilliance Dr. Tanner's still making mistakes.]]
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that some fish ancestors evolved to amphibians, some amphibians evolutionary descendants include land based reptiles, some reptiles evolved to synapsids (AKA mammal-like reptiles), Synapsids evolutionary descendants include mammals, of which a line would eventually lead to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] which in turn is the ancestors of whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of a stretch than it seems at first.
*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.
**** It's possible they lost fire because they didn't have access to platinum, which is needed to ignite the gasses. The gasses would remain for buoyancy, but with no catalyst there's no fire.
** I feel I should point out that despite all appearances, the Marine Dragon wasn't actually proven to exist in-universe. Even in the context of the show, the Marine Dragon was completely speculative, its existence based entirely on the presence of sea serpents in mythology, the palatal valve of the Mountain and Forest Dragons (which, unlike the whole process of fire breathing, IS a simple enough structure to have evolved more than once) and the line of reasoning that dragons survived the K-Pg extinction event by become aquatic (which you have shown to be faulty). That's not much to go on. So perhaps the reality of things was a little different? Perhaps dragons survived the K-Pg extinction by some other means (maybe by being small like mammals and birds) and the Marine Dragon (if it did exist) was more of a distantly related offshoot than a direct ancestor of the more recent species? It seems possible that, even after he's been proven to be right all along, [[FridgeBrilliance Dr. Tanner's still making mistakes.]]
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**** It's possible they lost fire because they didn't have access to platinum, which is needed to ignite the gasses. The gasses would remain for buoyancy, but with no catalyst there's no fire.
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*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.
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*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.fire.
** I feel I should point out that despite all appearances, the Marine Dragon wasn't actually proven to exist in-universe. Even in the context of the show, the Marine Dragon was completely speculative, its existence based entirely on the presence of sea serpents in mythology, the palatal valve of the Mountain and Forest Dragons (which, unlike the whole process of fire breathing, IS a simple enough structure to have evolved more than once) and the line of reasoning that dragons survived the K-Pg extinction event by become aquatic (which you have shown to be faulty). That's not much to go on. So perhaps the reality of things was a little different? Perhaps dragons survived the K-Pg extinction by some other means (maybe by being small like mammals and birds) and the Marine Dragon (if it did exist) was more of a distantly related offshoot than a direct ancestor of the more recent species? It seems possible that, even after he's been proven to be right all along, [[FridgeBrilliance Dr. Tanner's still making mistakes.]]
** I feel I should point out that despite all appearances, the Marine Dragon wasn't actually proven to exist in-universe. Even in the context of the show, the Marine Dragon was completely speculative, its existence based entirely on the presence of sea serpents in mythology, the palatal valve of the Mountain and Forest Dragons (which, unlike the whole process of fire breathing, IS a simple enough structure to have evolved more than once) and the line of reasoning that dragons survived the K-Pg extinction event by become aquatic (which you have shown to be faulty). That's not much to go on. So perhaps the reality of things was a little different? Perhaps dragons survived the K-Pg extinction by some other means (maybe by being small like mammals and birds) and the Marine Dragon (if it did exist) was more of a distantly related offshoot than a direct ancestor of the more recent species? It seems possible that, even after he's been proven to be right all along, [[FridgeBrilliance Dr. Tanner's still making mistakes.]]
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that some fish ancestors evolved to amphibians, some amphibians evolutionary descendants include land based reptiles, some reptiles evolved to synapsids (AKA mammal-like reptiles), Synapsids evolutionary descendants include mammals, of which a line would eventually lead to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] which in turn is the ancestors of whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of a stretch than it seems at first.
*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that some fish ancestors evolved to amphibians, some amphibians evolutionary descendants include land based reptiles, some reptiles evolved to synapsids (AKA mammal-like reptiles), Synapsids evolutionary descendants include mammals, of which a line would eventually lead to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] which in turn is the ancestors of whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of a stretch than it seems at first.
*** Actually yes, [[WordOfGod it was informed]] [[AllThereInTheManual in the site]] that it did lost it's ability to breathe fire.
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Actually yes, it was informed in the site that it did lost it\'s ability to breathe fire. Also, cladistics please. And synapsids aren\'t reptiles.
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of stretch than it seems at first.
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of stretch than it seems at first.
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of stretch than it seems at first.water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of stretch than it seems at first.
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** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of reptilia.
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** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of reptilia.Reptilia. Thus the forest, desert, and mountain dragons retaining the ability to wield fire is less of stretch than it seems at first.
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).water).
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of reptilia.
** The program never specifically stated that the marine dragon lost its fire breathing ability, but also did explicitly inform that they retained the flight bladder (which is what allows them to use breath fire) that they inherited from the last common ancestor they shared with the prehistoric dragon. Also the fish to whales example isn't completely apples with apples given that fish evolved to amphibians to land based reptiles to mammal-like reptiles to mammals to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus Ambulocetus]] and finally whales. In contrast, the evolutionary line of Dragons remained with the same Taxonomic class of reptilia.
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* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
* {{Headscratchers}}: If the Forest and the Mountain Dragons are the descendants of the Sea Dragon, unable to breath fire, how did they evolve exactly the same fire-breathing ability as the Prehistoric Dragon? In evolution, if something that complex disappears, it is almost impossible to reappear exactly the same way (for example, that's why whales breathe air: their fish ancestors lost their gills when they came to land, and gills couldn't re-evolve when the whales returned to water).
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* MST3KMantra: There weren't dragons. But if there was, this is what they'd be like.like.
* TearJerker - [[spoiler: The mother dragon returning to find her daughter has been slain by humans.]]
* TearJerker - [[spoiler: The mother dragon returning to find her daughter has been slain by humans.]]
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