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** Colonel Spivy immediately crosses it [[spoiler:when he lies about John's journal and steals it for ''no'' reason knowing that Dunbar is going to be executed as a traitor without any proof.]]

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** Colonel Corporal Spivy immediately crosses it [[spoiler:when he lies about John's journal and steals it for ''no'' reason knowing that Dunbar is going to be executed as a traitor without any proof.]]
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** This isn't the only time that Creator/{{Graham Greene|Actor}} has played [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the role of a Lakota Indian]].

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** This isn't the only time that Creator/{{Graham Greene|Actor}} has played [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the role of a Lakota Indian]].Indian]] (Greene is a member of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_people Oneida people]]).
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* HypeBacklash: Mainly from ''{{Film/Goodfellas}}'' fans who thought the movie was too long, boring, and a VanityProject. Also, some people have since labelled the film racist for having elements that border on MightyWhitey and WhiteSavior, despite the film itself being nothing but respected and praised by Natives.

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* HypeBacklash: Mainly from ''{{Film/Goodfellas}}'' fans who thought the movie was too long, boring, and a VanityProject. Also, some people have since labelled the film racist for having elements that border on MightyWhitey and WhiteSavior, despite the film itself being nothing but respected and praised by Natives.even if it’s FairForItsDay

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler:The deaths of Two-Socks and Cisco, in rapid succession.]]

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[[spoiler:The deaths of Two-Socks and Cisco, in rapid succession.]]]]
** Wind In His Hair's farewell to Dunbar. It's heartbreaking watching the otherwise stoic warrior lose his second best friend in a row.
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* FairForItsDay: In hindsight, ''Dances With Wolves'' was to race relations what ''Film/RainMan'' was to autism. How the film was received then and how some see it now: in 1990, the film was praised for being a positive representation of Native Americans, but in recent years, the film has been blamed for jumpstarting the "WhiteMansBurden" subgenre of films about racism. These films usually are told from the point of view of a white character, subsequently leading the minority characters to be portrayed as either [[MagicalNegro saints who guide the white lead]] or [[WhiteSavior victims for the white character to save]]. Even if this particular movie averts both, it still gets all the blame for opening the floodgate.

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* FairForItsDay: In hindsight, ''Dances With Wolves'' was to race relations what ''Film/RainMan'' was to autism.autism representation. How the film was received then and how some see it now: in 1990, the film was praised for being a positive representation of Native Americans, but in recent years, the film has been blamed for jumpstarting the "WhiteMansBurden" subgenre of films about racism. These films usually are told from the point of view of a white character, subsequently leading the minority characters to be portrayed as either [[MagicalNegro saints who guide the white lead]] or [[WhiteSavior victims for the white character to save]]. Even if this particular movie averts both, it still gets all the blame for opening the floodgate.
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** This isn’t the last time that Rodney A. Grant plays a character in [[Film/WhiteWolves a movie where wolves play a big enough role to be in the title of the film.]]
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* HoYay: Wind In His Hair calls Dunbar his ''kola'', which in Lakota custom includes sleeping in the same blanket when part of a hunting party and in some cases even sharing wives. This also qualifies as FoeYay since they didn't like each other at first.

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* HoYay: Wind In His Hair calls Dunbar his ''kola'', which in Lakota custom includes sleeping in the same blanket when part of a hunting party and in some cases even sharing wives. This also qualifies as FoeYay since they didn't like each other at first.
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See discussion. Vanity Project is not YMMV and does not belong on YMMV pages; see What Goes Where On The Wiki.


* VanityProject: Creator/KevinCostner directed, produced and starred in this film, however, it is [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools regarded as being a]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Wolves#Reception well-done vanity project]] that managed to win four awards.
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* VanityProject: Creator/KevinCostner directed, produced and starred in this film, however, it is [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools regarded as being a]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Wolves#Reception well-done vanity project]] that managed to win four awards.
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* VanityProject: Creator/KevinCostner directed, produced and starred in this film, however, it is [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools regarded as being a]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Wolves#Reception well-done vanity project]] that managed to win four awards.
* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and cowardly Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims, the rest of the Union Soldiers who captured Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.
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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and cowardly Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.

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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and cowardly Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , AssholeVictims, the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture captured Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.
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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]HilariousInHindsight: The villainization of the Pawnee in this movie will come across as bitterly ironic to anyone who's seen ''Film/TheRevenant''.

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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]HilariousInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight: The villainization of the Pawnee in this movie will come across as bitterly ironic to anyone who's seen ''Film/TheRevenant''.
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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.

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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and cowardly Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.
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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had abandoned his post and joined a perceived enemy.

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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had abandoned deserted his post and joined a perceived enemy.
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* VillainyFreeVillain : While the sadistic Spivey and Bauer were clearly meant to be AssholeVictims , the rest of the Union Soldiers who capture Dunbar and transport him to be court-martialed and probably executed for treason were just doing their duty in dealing with an officer who had abandoned his post and joined a perceived enemy.
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* FanPreferredCutContent: Out of the many scenes only found in the extended edition, the one featuring Fort Sedgwick's abandonment before Dunbar's arrival is constantly cited as a sequence that should have stayed in the theatrical cut. It has some nice acting and dialogue, and the Fort's emptiness comes across as a PlotHole in the theatrical cut.
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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of Native Americans to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.

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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: {{Anvilicious}}: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of Native Americans to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.
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* CatharsisFactor: After being forced to watch the soldiers KickTheDog throughout their screentime, it becomes ''absolutely'' satisfying when the Sioux rescue party and Dunbar take almost of them out in brutal, but very deserving deaths, special mentions on Spivy and Baur.

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* CatharsisFactor: After being forced to watch the soldiers KickTheDog throughout their screentime, it becomes ''absolutely'' satisfying when the Sioux rescue party and Dunbar take almost of them out in brutal, but very deserving deaths, special mentions on Spivy Spivey and Baur.Bauer getting their just Desserts.
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** The squad of Union Soldier crosses it [[spoiler:when they killed Cisco, John's horse to be eaten by the , and Two-Socks for their own sadistic pleasaure.]]

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** The squad of Union Soldier crosses it [[spoiler:when they killed their first time on screen is killing Cisco, John's horse to be eaten by the , crows later on, and Two-Socks for their own sadistic pleasaure.pleasure.]]
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* CatharsisFactor: After being forced to watch the soldiers KickTheDog throughout their screentime, it becomes ''absolutely'' satisfying when the Sioux rescue party and Dunbar take almost of them out in brutal, but very deserving deaths, special mentions on Spivy and Baur.


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* MoralEventHorizon:
** The squad of Union Soldier crosses it [[spoiler:when they killed Cisco, John's horse to be eaten by the , and Two-Socks for their own sadistic pleasaure.]]
** Colonel Spivy immediately crosses it [[spoiler:when he lies about John's journal and steals it for ''no'' reason knowing that Dunbar is going to be executed as a traitor without any proof.]]

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* AlasPoorScrappy: The death of the revolting [[{{Jerkass}} Timmons]] is so brutal that it's hard not to feel sorry for him, even though [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality it wasn't very surprising that he died]].
** He dies pleading with the Pawnee to [[spoiler: not hurt his mules]] even as he lay there suffering and bleeding out. He was a disgusting little troll [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold with a core of pure platinum]].

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* AlasPoorScrappy: The death of the revolting [[{{Jerkass}} Timmons]] is so brutal that it's hard not to feel sorry for him, even though [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality it wasn't very surprising that he died]].
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died]]. He dies pleading with the Pawnee to [[spoiler: not hurt his mules]] even as he lay there suffering and bleeding out. He was a disgusting little troll [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold with a core of pure platinum]].
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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of Antive Americans to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.

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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of Antive Native Americans to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.
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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of American natives to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.

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* {{Anvilicious}}[=/=]SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Nowadays it can come off as extremely preachy, but at the time of its release it was one of the first positive portrayals of American natives Antive Americans to reach wide acclaim. Not counting [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the Pawnee]] of course.

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* HilariousInHindsight: This isn't the only time that Creator/{{Graham Greene|Actor}} has played [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the role of a Lakota Indian]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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This isn't the only time that Creator/{{Graham Greene|Actor}} has played [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the role of a Lakota Indian]].Indian]].
** Through some coincidence of costuming and makeup, Timmons bears an ''uncanny'' resemblence to Torgo from ''Film/ManosTheHandsOfFate''.

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