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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: As mentioned in The Film of the Song on the main page, the Jack of Hearts can be read as the estranged son of Rosemary, who she perhaps gave up for adoption. A couple hints in this direction is the vague description of Rosemary having "done a lot of bad things" and looking to redeem herself, and Big Jim recognizing the face of the Jack of Hearts from "maybe down in Mexico or a picture upon somebody's shelf" (maybe Rosemary kept a picture of Jack, or Jim recognized the facial similarity to his wife Rosemary but was unaware that she had a son).
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* TearJerker: The death of [[spoiler:Seichi's father]].
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* SignatureSong: "Tangled Up in Blue". "Shelter From the Storm" comes next.
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* SignatureSong: "Tangled Up in Blue". Blue" and lately also "Shelter From the Storm" comes next.
Storm". Also popular is "Simple Twist of Fate".
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* CatharsisFactor: Many readers were very satisfied to see [[spoiler: Seichi's uncle hit Seiko after many chapters of abuse. This was further compounded by Seiko finally being taken to court and being made to answer for her crimes]].
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* CatharsisFactor: CatharsisFactor:
** Many readers were very satisfied to see [[spoiler: Seichi's uncle hit Seiko after many chapters of abuse. This was further compounded by Seiko finally being taken to court and being made to answer for her crimes]].
** Many readers were very satisfied to see [[spoiler: Seichi's uncle hit Seiko after many chapters of abuse. This was further compounded by Seiko finally being taken to court and being made to answer for her crimes]].
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* NightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. The rest of the family is constantly distanced from her, to the point where she does not partake in the tradition of placing a burning candle as tribute, and the only person she's ever really seen being close to is her son. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
** ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. The rest of the family is constantly distanced from her, to the point where she does not partake in the tradition of placing a burning candle as tribute, and the only person she's ever really seen being close to is her son. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
** ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. The rest of the family is constantly distanced from her, to the point where she does not partake in the tradition of placing a burning candle as tribute, and the only person she's ever really seen being close to is her son. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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** There is just ''something'' inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. Accompanying her detached demeanor, it's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven. Eventually, [[spoiler:her son begins taking on similar appearances]].
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic physical additions or changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
** There is just ''something'' inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. Accompanying her detached demeanor, it's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven. Eventually, [[spoiler:her son begins taking on similar appearances]].
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic physical additions or changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
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** In one of the most chilling [[WhamShot Wham Shots]] in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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** In one of the most chilling [[WhamShot Wham Shots]] in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear parental worries personified.]]
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** Likewise, several readers were constantly sheering when [[spoiler:Seichi manages to ''finally'' stand up to his mother for her abuse of him in the later chapters, rejecting her and realizing her manipulations. For several chapters, he comes to understand that he is an individual with his own right to live, not her toy, and his previous embrace of her incestuous doting are quickly replaced with his vitriolic hate for her]].
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** Likewise, several readers were constantly sheering cheering when [[spoiler:Seichi manages to ''finally'' stand up to his mother for her abuse of him in the later chapters, rejecting her and realizing her manipulations. For several chapters, he comes to understand that he is an individual with his own right to live, not her toy, and his previous embrace of her incestuous doting are quickly replaced with his vitriolic hate for her]].
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* SignatureSong: "Tangled Up in Blue". "Shelter From the Storm" comes next.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans preferred the story to end when [[spoiler:Seiichi is still in the process of recovery after his mother gets arrested, and he finds some peace with his crush.]] It's not without reason, since what comes ''afterwards'' for the poor boy only drives him further into self-loathing and insanity.
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** Likewise, several readers were constantly sheering when [[Seichi manages to ''finally'' stand up to his mother for her abuse of him, rejecting her and realizing her manipulations. For several chapters, he comes to understand that he is an individual with his own right to live, not her toy, and his previous embrace of her incestuous doting are quickly replaced with his vitriolic hate for her]].
* NightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
* NightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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** Likewise, several readers were constantly sheering when [[Seichi [[spoiler:Seichi manages to ''finally'' stand up to his mother for her abuse of him, him in the later chapters, rejecting her and realizing her manipulations. For several chapters, he comes to understand that he is an individual with his own right to live, not her toy, and his previous embrace of her incestuous doting are quickly replaced with his vitriolic hate for her]].
* NightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. The rest of the family is constantly distanced from her, to the point where she does not partake in the tradition of placing a burning candle as tribute, and the only person she's ever really seen being close to is her son. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
* NightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. The rest of the family is constantly distanced from her, to the point where she does not partake in the tradition of placing a burning candle as tribute, and the only person she's ever really seen being close to is her son. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, including the one he's already friends with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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** There is just ''something'' inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven. Eventually, [[spoiler:her son begins taking on similar appearances]].
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
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** There is just ''something'' inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's Accompanying her detached demeanor, it's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven. Eventually, [[spoiler:her son begins taking on similar appearances]].
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic physical additions or changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic physical additions or changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
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* NightmareFuel: Everything about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even the one he's friends with and ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, his aunt and his cousin and even his lover as dead cats with bullet holes in their heads. Dead cats with human heads with bullet holes in them.
** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, his aunt and his cousin and even his lover as dead cats with bullet holes in their heads. Dead cats with human heads with bullet holes in them.
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** Likewise, several readers were constantly sheering when [[Seichi manages to ''finally'' stand up to his mother for her abuse of him, rejecting her and realizing her manipulations. For several chapters, he comes to understand that he is an individual with his own right to live, not her toy, and his previous embrace of her incestuous doting are quickly replaced with his vitriolic hate for her]].
* NightmareFuel:Everything ''Everything'' about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even including the one he's already friends with with, and later ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, hisaunt and aunt, his cousin and even his lover crush as dead cats with bullet holes in their heads. Dead cats with human heads with bleeding from bullet holes in them.their foreheads.
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** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, his
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* UncannyValley: There is just something inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven.
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* UncannyValley: UncannyValley:
** There is justsomething ''something'' inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven. Eventually, [[spoiler:her son begins taking on similar appearances]].
** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
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** Much of the more disturbing facial expressions drawn don't involve any drastic changes to the person making them, but the different {{Art Shift}}s easily make regular people look as horrifying as any monster. Doubly so if Seiko is the one making them.
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** Even after she's been arrested, Seiko's influence on Seichi has not abated and [[spoiler:he ends up doing the exact same thing she did to Shigeru, only this time Shigeru does not survive being pushed off the cliff]].
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* NightmareFuel: Everything about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genere, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even the one he's friends with and ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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* NightmareFuel: Everything about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genere, genre, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even the one he's friends with and ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
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* MagnificentBastard: In "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts", the Jack of Hearts comes off as one. He shows up, charms Lily away from the most powerful man in town, gets involved with her, survives a murder attempt from Jim, joins back up with his comrades who successfully pulled off a bank robbery, makes off with the money, and is gone from town the next morning just in time to avoid facing any consequences.
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** In one of the most chilling {{WhamShot}}s in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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** In one of the most chilling {{WhamShot}}s [[WhamShot Wham Shots]] in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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** In one of the most chilling WhamShots in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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** In one of the most chilling WhamShots {{WhamShot}}s in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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** In one of the most chilling WhamShots in the series, Chapter 78 ends with TheReveal that Seiko [[spoiler: tossed Seichi off a cliff when he was a ''toddler'' during a psychotic episode. The rest of the chapter has a bloody and bruised toddler Seichi walking around, which is absolute AdultFear personified.]]
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!!For the Album
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* MagnificentBastard: In "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts", the Jack of Hearts comes off as one. He shows up, charms Lily away from the most powerful man in town, gets involved with her, survives a murder attempt from Jim, joins back up with his comrades who successfully pulled off a bank robbery, makes off with the money, and is gone from town the next morning just in time to avoid facing any consequences.
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* MagnificentBastard: In "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts", the Jack of Hearts comes off as one. He shows up, charms Lily away from the most powerful man in town, gets involved with her, survives a murder attempt from Jim, joins back up with his comrades who successfully pulled off a bank robbery, makes off with the money, and is gone from town the next morning just in time to avoid facing any consequences.consequences.
!!For the Manga
* CatharsisFactor: Many readers were very satisfied to see [[spoiler: Seichi's uncle hit Seiko after many chapters of abuse. This was further compounded by Seiko finally being taken to court and being made to answer for her crimes]].
* NightmareFuel: Everything about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genere, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even the one he's friends with and ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, his aunt and his cousin and even his lover as dead cats with bullet holes in their heads. Dead cats with human heads with bullet holes in them.
* UncannyValley: There is just something inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven.
!!For the Manga
* CatharsisFactor: Many readers were very satisfied to see [[spoiler: Seichi's uncle hit Seiko after many chapters of abuse. This was further compounded by Seiko finally being taken to court and being made to answer for her crimes]].
* NightmareFuel: Everything about Seiko. She loves her son less like a child and more like a ''lover''. She even has {{Yandere}} tendencies that you would normally find in jealous girlfriends in this genere, like pushing her nephew off a cliff, making sure her son doesn't hang out with ''any'' girls, even the one he's friends with and ''kisses him passionately on the lips'' '''''after she's done strangling him'''''!!
** Seichi starts to imagine the bullies, his aunt and his cousin and even his lover as dead cats with bullet holes in their heads. Dead cats with human heads with bullet holes in them.
* UncannyValley: There is just something inherently off-putting about Seiko's face despite it lacking any actual blemishes or deformities. It's basically DissonantSerenity taken UpToEleven.
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* BrokenBase: A perennial debate among fans and critics--which version of the album was better? Many people think the released version is flawless. Others prefer the ThreeChordsAndTheTruth feel of the New York version. And it extends to the individual songs as well. Most everyone agrees that re-recording "Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of Hearts" was a good call (the New York take is kind of tedious), but there's plenty of discussion about the other remakes.
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* BrokenBase: A perennial debate among fans and critics--which version of the album was better? Many people think the released version is flawless. Others prefer the ThreeChordsAndTheTruth feel of the New York version. And it extends to the individual songs as well. Most everyone agrees that re-recording "Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of Hearts" was a good call (the New York take is kind of tedious), but there's plenty of discussion about the other remakes.remakes.
* MagnificentBastard: In "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts", the Jack of Hearts comes off as one. He shows up, charms Lily away from the most powerful man in town, gets involved with her, survives a murder attempt from Jim, joins back up with his comrades who successfully pulled off a bank robbery, makes off with the money, and is gone from town the next morning just in time to avoid facing any consequences.
* MagnificentBastard: In "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts", the Jack of Hearts comes off as one. He shows up, charms Lily away from the most powerful man in town, gets involved with her, survives a murder attempt from Jim, joins back up with his comrades who successfully pulled off a bank robbery, makes off with the money, and is gone from town the next morning just in time to avoid facing any consequences.
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* BrokenBase: A perennial debate among fans and critics--which version of the album was better? Many people think the released version is flawless. Others prefer the ThreeChordsAndTheTruth feel of the New York version. And it extends to the individual songs as well. Most everyone agrees that re-recording "Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of Hearts" was a good call (the New York take is kind of tedious), but there's plenty of discussion about the other remakes.
