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** Zhao. Helps that he's voiced by [[HarryPotter Lucius]] [[JasonIsaacs Malfoy]].

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** Zhao. Helps that he's voiced by [[HarryPotter [[Film/HarryPotter Lucius]] [[JasonIsaacs Malfoy]].
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**** It wasn't that (from a purely military, in-the-moment tactical point of view) the idea ITSELF was bad; it was doing it right in front of the [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry rage-awakened]] Avatar. Seriously, he's the ''page image'' for a trope more famously paired with the freakin ''[[TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]]''!

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**** It wasn't that (from a purely military, in-the-moment tactical point of view) the idea ITSELF was bad; it was doing it right in front of the [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry rage-awakened]] Avatar. Seriously, he's the ''page image'' for a trope more famously paired with the freakin ''[[TheIncredibleHulk ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]''!
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Seen at least one person call him out for \"abandoning Zuko\" at the end of season 2.


* BaseBreaker: Aang...and Katara...and Azula...and Suki...and Mai... and Ty Lee... and Zuko. [[BrokenBase Name a character, really]]. Basically anyone not named Iroh.

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* BaseBreaker: Aang...and Katara...and Azula...and Suki...and Mai... and Ty Lee... and Zuko. [[BrokenBase Name a character, really]]. Basically anyone not named Iroh.
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* IncestYayShipping: Zuko and Azula. It helps that they suffers a lot from FoeYay.
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*** Then again, even Zuko mentions that there "was a time when they were happy" (and visited Ember Island together), so it's likely that he wasn't always evil. Confirmed in ''The Promise'' comics.

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*** Then again, even Zuko mentions that there "was a time when they were happy" (and visited Ember Island together), so it's likely that he wasn't always evil. Confirmed This was confirmed eventually in ''The Promise'' comics.

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*** Another possible (and controversial, of course) interpretation of Ozai's behavior: [[CompleteMonster Is he a ruthless, merciless and heartless bastard]], hungry of power or deeply he is a JerkassWoobie and[=/=]or WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds with a large InferioritySuperiorityComplex and his own unresolved ''[[WellDoneSonGuy daddy issues]]''?

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*** Another possible (and controversial, of course) interpretation of Ozai's behavior: [[CompleteMonster Is he a ruthless, merciless and heartless bastard]], bastard, hungry of power or deeply he is a JerkassWoobie and[=/=]or WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds with a large InferioritySuperiorityComplex and his own unresolved ''[[WellDoneSonGuy daddy issues]]''?



** Azula is an interesting [[SubvertedTrope subversion]]: by the end of Season 2, she appeared to fit ''all three'' of the necessary CompleteMonster qualities. Then Season 3 came, she gradually unravelled, had her VillainousBreakdown, and ended up with only ''one'' of the criteria left (that she has committed heinous crimes within the context of the story.) In the end, although she did a good job emulating her father for a while, she couldn't escape being a TragicVillain.



-->'''Sokka:''' I always knew the Fire Lord was a bad guy, but his plan is just [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].

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-->'''Sokka:''' I always knew the Fire Lord was a bad guy, but his plan is just [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].evil.



** [[CompleteMonster Ozai]] also counts.

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** [[CompleteMonster Ozai]] Ozai also counts.

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*** The quotes listed under Funny Aneurysm Moment above.

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*** To be fair, they had no legit indication at the time that it was anything more than a SnipeHunt used to manipulate Zuko to keep him from turning face in his exile.
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The quotes listed under Funny Aneurysm Moment above.

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* AngelDevilShipping: Aang and Azula, Zuko and Katara.

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* AngelDevilShipping: Aang [insert Aang, Sokka, or any other good guy] and Azula, Zuko and Katara.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Zuko ([[spoiler:before his HeelFaceTurn]]), Zhao, Azula, Jet and yes, even ''Ozai''.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Zuko ([[spoiler:before ([[spoiler:especially before his HeelFaceTurn]]), Zhao, Azula, Jet and yes, even ''Ozai''.


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** Honestly, the prime example of the FanDumb? The {{shipping}}.
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* AlasPoorVillain:
** Azula is a terrible, terrible person, and while it's possible to feel sorry for her, usually she's such a {{magnificent bitch}} that you temporarily forget those feelings. [[spoiler:Then she spends the whole series finale going steadily crazier and crazier, with her FreudianExcuse coming to the surface. Then she finally snaps after she loses to Katara and the last shot of her in the series is her sobbing uncontrollably, with Zuko and Katara themselves looking sad about it]].
** Sozin dies offscreen, but he gets a lot more sympathetic by then, realizing that he basically crossed the MoralEventHorizon by betraying and murdering his best friend and wiping out the Air Nation, and has ''nothing'' to show for it except an empty, hollow life.
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There is only one listed Fan Preferred Couple, which is Zuko and Katara; that said, considering the showrunners have denied that they ever shipped or intended to ship Zuko and Katara, and considering there are no romantic moments between them, it\'s a huge stretch to say there\'s an \'unusual amount\' of Ship Tease between them. And June wasn\'t a Shipper On Deck.


* FanPreferredCouple: Zutara (Zuko/Katara) is the biggest example-- about 22% of the [=AtLA=] fanfics at FanfictionDotNet ''alone'' list the two as main characters. Doesn't help that Zutara had an unusual amount of ShipTease in the show, or that they had their own ''canon'' shippers, in the form of June and the Ember Island Players. Other couples like Aang/Toph, Sokka/Toph, Sokka/Azula and Ty Lee/Azula also attract large numbers of shippers.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Zutara (Zuko/Katara) is the biggest example-- about 22% of the [=AtLA=] fanfics at FanfictionDotNet ''alone'' list the two as main characters. Doesn't help that Zutara had an unusual amount of ShipTease in the show, or that they had their own ''canon'' shippers, in the form of June and the Ember Island Players. Other couples like Aang/Toph, Sokka/Toph, Sokka/Azula and Ty Lee/Azula also attract large numbers of shippers.
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** For much of the series, we were told that metalbending was impossible, than Toph came along and did just that.
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* BrickJoke: In "Daydreams and Nightmares", Aang has a reoccurring NotWearingPantsDream about fighting the Fire Lord only to discover he's not wearing pants, until he eventually gets over it, saying: "No, Fire Lord, it is you who is not wearing pants!" "My royal parts are showing!" In the finale, Aang and Ozai are both shirtless for most of the fight, so they are both ''only and specifically'' wearing pants.



* DarkerAndEdgier: Apparently, ''The Promise'' seems to be heading in this direction. Not only is it showing that the ending for the series is not [[EarnYourHappyEnding the definitive one nor as happy as it initially seems]], but [[spoiler: both Fire Lord Zuko AND Earth King Kuei slip into WellIntentionedExtremist territory]]. A hundred years of warfare can't be unmade in just a few months, after all.
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* HellIsThatNoise: In one of the flashbacks in "The Storm", Zuko's scream when he receives his scar.

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* VillainDecay: Zuko as Season 1 progressed. He hadn't even become all that conflicted about what he was doing yet, but he still kept on failing in his endeavors. No wonder Zhao wound up the final enemy of the season, despite Zuko being it's main villain.
** This may or may not be tied with his CharacterDevelopment, however.
** It's also somewhat ironic since Zuko got noticeably and progressively more powerful throughout season 1, It just became more and more apparent as the season went on that he had inadequate resources facing effectively impossible odds. From the very first episode, the only reason he was a threat to Aang at all were his [[MagnificentBastard cunning]], [[VillainousValor desperation]], [[{{Determinator}} and absolute refusal to give up.]]
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** It's also somewhat ironic since Zuko got noticeably and progressively more powerful throughout season 1, It just became more and more apparent as the season went on that he had inadequate resources facing effectively impossible odds. From the very first episode, the only reason he was a threat to Aang at all were his [[VillainousValor cunning, desperation, and absolute refusal to give up.]]

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** It's also somewhat ironic since Zuko got noticeably and progressively more powerful throughout season 1, It just became more and more apparent as the season went on that he had inadequate resources facing effectively impossible odds. From the very first episode, the only reason he was a threat to Aang at all were his [[MagnificentBastard cunning]], [[VillainousValor cunning, desperation, desperation]], [[{{Determinator}} and absolute refusal to give up.]]



** [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Hama]]. Kidnapped and imprisoned by the Fire Nation army as a teenager, prevented from bending her native element (water), it's no wonder she took her only chance of escape, by turning the guards into PeoplePuppets by bending their body fluids. But then she snuck into the Fire Nation and started kidnapping innocent civilians with the same technique she used on the prison guards...

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** [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Hama]]. Kidnapped and imprisoned by the Fire Nation army as a teenager, prevented from bending her native element (water), it's no wonder she took her only chance of escape, by turning the guards into PeoplePuppets by bending their body fluids. [[MoralEventHorizon But then she snuck into the Fire Nation and started kidnapping innocent civilians with the same technique she used on the prison guards...]]

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Killing an enemy in combat isn\'t a moral event horizon. The results of the siege of the north show that this was pretty clearly a case of kill or be killed for Azula.


** Azula crossed it when she [[spoiler:shot Aang in the back with lightning,]] thus proving she will do ''anything'' to serve her father. Unless of course, you find that [[MomentOfAwesome disturbingly awesome]].
*** If you do find that to be a MomentOfAwesome, then her being the one to advocate (and partially inspire, though Ozai's the one who takes it to it's most horrific stage) the whole "raze the Earth Kingdom until it's all ash" plan of her father's might be an even better one.

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** Azula crossed it when she [[spoiler:shot Aang in the back with lightning,]] thus proving she will do ''anything'' to serve her father. Unless of course, you find that [[MomentOfAwesome disturbingly awesome]].
*** If you do find that to be a MomentOfAwesome, then her being the one to advocate
advocated (and partially inspire, inspired, though Ozai's the one who takes it to it's most horrific stage) the whole "raze the Earth Kingdom until it's all ash" plan of her father's might be an even better one.father's.
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* BaseBreaker: Aang...and Katara...and Azula...and Suki...and Mai... and Ty Lee... and Zuko. [[BrokenBase Name a character, really]].

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* BaseBreaker: Aang...and Katara...and Azula...and Suki...and Mai... and Ty Lee... and Zuko. [[BrokenBase Name a character, really]]. Basically anyone not named Iroh.
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*** The interpretation that makes the most sense, given his obsession over history and failures, is that he knew that, if he lived and returned to the Fire Nation, he'd spend the rest of his life in disgrace and humiliation, being scorned and shamed for his massive failed invasion of the North. He'd rather die and at least be remembered for "heroically" sacrificing his life, than become like Zuko.
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* NoYay: Bryke (jokingly) suggested "Bluezula" during the infamous shipping-slideshow. You can actually hear someone in the crowd screaming "What is '''WRONG''' with you?"

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* NoYay: Bryke Invoked by Bryke, who (jokingly) suggested "Bluezula" during the infamous shipping-slideshow. You can actually hear someone in the crowd screaming "What is '''WRONG''' with you?"
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* GannonBanned: Never, ever, ''ever'', call this show an anime. It's a common mistake, but doing so gets certain people really angry.
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** In the 'Ember Island Players', the play's version of Aang is a girl posing as a boy. [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra The next Avatar is a girl with boyish tenancies.]]
* HoYay: Has it's [[HoYay/AvatarTheLastAirbender own page]]

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** In the 'Ember Island Players', the play's version of Aang is a girl posing as a boy. [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra The next Avatar is a girl with boyish tenancies.tendencies.]]
* HoYay: Has it's its [[HoYay/AvatarTheLastAirbender own page]]
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** It gets even more complicated when there are indications that it is not entirely one-sided. See the IncestSubtext entry on the main page for details.

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** It gets even more complicated when there are indications that it is not entirely one-sided. See the IncestSubtext entry on [[{{AvatarTheLastAirbender/TropesI-P}} the main page page]] for details.
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* OneSceneWonder: since Foamy Mouth Guy got more than one scene, this honor goes to Freestyle Guy from "The Headband".
** [[EldritchAbomination Koh]] counts too.


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** It gets even more complicated when there are indications that it is not entirely one-sided. See the IncestSubtext entry on the main page for details.
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* HoYay: Pretty blatantly invoked by "The Ember Island Players" when Actress!Aang goes all "My hero!" to Play!The Blue Spirit. The awkward look Aang and Zuko give each other makes it even more hilarious.

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* HoYay: Pretty blatantly invoked by "The Ember Island Players" when Actress!Aang goes all "My hero!" to Play!The Blue Spirit. The awkward look Aang and Zuko give each other makes it even more hilarious.Has it's [[HoYay/AvatarTheLastAirbender own page]]
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: For some fans Fire Lord Ozai is this. While other villains in the series (particularly his offsprings [[AntiVillain Prince Zuko]] and [[TheDragon Princess Azula]]) have some dimensions to them, Ozai in the end is nothing more than a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]], [[AbusiveParents child-abusing]], [[CompleteMonster Pure]] EvilOverlord with delusions of grandeur, and Aang's greatest threat to overcome.
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: For some fans Fire Lord Ozai is this. While other villains in the series (particularly his offsprings [[AntiVillain Prince Zuko]] and [[TheDragon Princess Azula]]) have some dimensions to them, Ozai in the end is nothing more than a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]], [[AbusiveParents child-abusing]], [[CompleteMonster Pure]] EvilOverlord with delusions of grandeur, and Aang's greatest threat to overcome.

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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: For some fans Fire Lord Ozai is this. While other villains in the series (particularly his offsprings [[AntiVillain Prince Zuko]] and [[TheDragon Princess Azula]]) have some dimensions to them, Ozai in the end is nothing more than a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]], [[AbusiveParents child-abusing]], [[CompleteMonster Pure]] EvilOverlord with delusions of grandeur, and Aang's greatest threat to overcome.
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: For some fans Fire Lord Ozai is this.

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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: For some fans Fire Lord Ozai is this. While other villains in the series (particularly his offsprings [[AntiVillain Prince Zuko]] and [[TheDragon Princess Azula]]) have some dimensions to them, Ozai in the end is nothing more than a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]], [[AbusiveParents child-abusing]], [[CompleteMonster Pure]] EvilOverlord with delusions of grandeur, and Aang's greatest threat to overcome.
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-->'''Azula:''' [[FreudWasRight I could sit here and complain how our mom]] [[SiblingRivalry liked Zuko more than me]], but I don't really care. My own mother thought I was a [[CompleteMonster monster]].\\
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'''Azula:''' [[AvertedTrope She was right, of course]], but it still hurt.

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* {{Narm}}: Zuko's reaction to Iroh being attacked by Azula in Book 2 chapter 8 to be this.

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* {{Narm}}: Some consider Zuko's reaction to Iroh being attacked by Azula in Book 2 chapter 8 to be this.this.
** At least 90% of what Zuko does can fall into this, being an EmoTeen. Most often in ends up being a TearJerker.
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* HoYay: Pretty blatantly invoked by "The Ember Island Players" when Actress!Aang goes all "My hero!" to Play!The Blue Spirit. The awkward look Aang and Zuko give each other makes it even more hilarious.

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