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Jerkass Woobie is a trope that requires a majority of, or at least a good chunk of the audience, to feel that way about the character in question for it to qualify due to its status as YMMV. Having read through the comments on AO3 and Spacebattles...no one sympathizes with Jakob Hopkins in the slightest.
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** The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from starving.
** Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.
** The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from starving.
** Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.
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* JerkassWoobie:
**JerkassWoobie: The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from starving.
** Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.starving.
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** Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.
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* JerkassWoobie: The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from starving.
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* JerkassWoobie: The JerkassWoobie:
**The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep fromstarving.starving.
**Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
*NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.
**The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from
**Jacob Hopkins is a delusional, pretentious conspiracy theorist who wants to be seen as a hero and is willing to hurt innocent people to get what he wants. And yet, while he is completely wrong about Vee and Camila being malevolent, he is technically correct that there are supernatural beings in Gravesfield. And at least one of them, Blitz, is dangerous enough to justify Jacob's warnings. While one can readily condemn him for acting without thinking and being a selfish glory hound, one cannot help but sympathize with the fact that he is partially correct, and no one believes him.
*NiceJobBreakingItHero: Lucifer, while sympathetic and trying to do right by his loved ones, is still the architect of his own misfortunes. His giving the apple to Eve, while well-intentioned, was still a reckless act that caused Eve great physical harm and caused humanity to be expelled from Eden. Lucifer's time as King of Hell can charitably be described as absentee. While he claims to be too busy with the rest of Hell to bother taking control of the Pride Ring, his time presiding over the Royal Convocation implies he's fairly out of the loop regarding just how cutthroat Goetia politics are. One wonders how much of the Pride Ring's awfulness is due solely to the Sinners, as Lucifer insists is the case, and how much could be curtailed if Lucifer bothered to actually use his authority to enforce a bit of order.
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* JerkassWoobie: The Cherubs have become this by the time they appear in the story. Their exile on Earth has left them with a decidedly negative view of the mortal realm, which has only exacerbated their self-righteous personalities. This view, however, is understandable when one considers that an easy life in Heaven likely didn't prepare them for the harsh realities of scraping by on Earth. Not to mention that they've spent a year homeless, dumpster diving for food, being attacked by wild animals, and resorting to theft to keep from starving.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Jesus is shown as being rather weirded out by Lucifer's clingy and desperate attempt to befriend Him, and further confused when the Seraphim frame His encounter with Lucifer as resisting temptation. Did Jesus go along with their version of events because the truth would be too embarrassing, or was He embarrassed ''for'' Lucifer and this was His way of [[NiceGuy trying to make The Devil look cooler when he was in a bad place emotionally]]? The fact that he was genuinely worried about Lucifer once he managed to finally shake him off before he remembered that he'd be fine due to his FallenAngel constitution implies the latter, but it's unclear.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Jesus is shown as being rather weirded out by Lucifer's clingy and desperate attempt to befriend Him, and further confused when the Seraphim frame His encounter with Lucifer as resisting temptation. Did Jesus go along with their version of events because the truth would be too embarrassing, or was He embarrassed ''for'' Lucifer and this was His way of [[NiceGuy trying to make The Devil look cooler and more dignified when he was in a bad place emotionally]]? The fact that he was genuinely worried about Lucifer once he managed to finally shake him off before he remembered that he'd be fine due to his FallenAngel constitution implies the latter, but it's unclear.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Jesus is shown as being rather weirded out by Lucifer's clingy and desperate attempt to befriend Him, and further confused when the Seraphim frame His encounter with Lucifer as resisting temptation. Did Jesus go along with their version of events because the truth would be too embarrassing, or was He embarrassed ''for'' Lucifer and this was His way of [[NiceGuy trying to make The Devil look cooler when he was in a bad place emotionally]]?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Jesus is shown as being rather weirded out by Lucifer's clingy and desperate attempt to befriend Him, and further confused when the Seraphim frame His encounter with Lucifer as resisting temptation. Did Jesus go along with their version of events because the truth would be too embarrassing, or was He embarrassed ''for'' Lucifer and this was His way of [[NiceGuy trying to make The Devil look cooler when he was in a bad place emotionally]]?emotionally]]? The fact that he was genuinely worried about Lucifer once he managed to finally shake him off before he remembered that he'd be fine due to his FallenAngel constitution implies the latter, but it's unclear.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Jesus is shown as being rather weirded out by Lucifer's clingy and desperate attempt to befriend Him, and further confused when the Seraphim frame His encounter with Lucifer as resisting temptation. Did Jesus go along with their version of events because the truth would be too embarrassing, or was He embarrassed ''for'' Lucifer and this was His way of [[NiceGuy trying to make The Devil look cooler when he was in a bad place emotionally]]?
