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* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'': ''[[Machinima/TeamFortress2 Meet The Spy]]'' has the BLU Soldier open fire at the BLU Spy, convinced that he's the RED Spy in disguise. In-game, this would've been a perfectly sound course of action - teammates are FriendlyFireproof, disguised Spies aren't, and the other two people in the room would make for more immediately obvious disguises. Unfortunately, since this was a Meet The Team short, he kills his teammate with a single shot and gets backstabbed by the real RED Spy immediately afterwards.
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* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'': ''[[Machinima/TeamFortress2 Meet The Spy]]'' has the BLU Soldier open fire at the BLU Spy, convinced that he's the RED Spy in disguise. In-game, this would've been a perfectly sound course of action - teammates are FriendlyFireproof, disguised Spies aren't, and the other two people in the room would make for more immediately obvious disguises. Unfortunately, since this was a Meet The Team short, he kills his teammate with a single shot and gets backstabbed by the real RED Spy immediately afterwards.
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* ''VideoGame/Persona4'': Dojima is a competent detective and is actually just a step behind the Investigation Team in their investigation into the central murder mystery. The problem is that he (understandably) doesn't believe he's in an UrbanFantasy, which throws him off from seeing the full picture.
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* ''VideoGame/Persona4'': Dojima is a competent detective and is actually just a step behind the Investigation Team in their investigation into the central murder mystery. The problem is that he (understandably) doesn't believe he's in an UrbanFantasy, which throws him off from seeing the full picture.
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%%* Bang Shishigami from the ''Franchise/{{Blazblue}}'' games is an ultra-hammy ninja who seems to fully believe that he is the action hero of a Shonen anime series fighting against TheEmpire. He even tells the player to "Tune in next week!" in one of his victory quotes from the first game! While he is technically not wrong about the genre or the state of his world, he is ''definitely'' not TheHero - in fact the actual protagonist (a vengeful, amoral NinetiesAntiHero, think a hybrid of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]], [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts]] and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Sol Badguy]] and you're partway there) just treats him as a nuisance.



* In VideoGame/TouhouChireidenSubterraneanAnimism, Marisa and Alice's scenario has them compare the incident to a DungeonCrawl. The game is a BulletHell.
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%%ZCE * In VideoGame/TouhouChireidenSubterraneanAnimism, Marisa and Alice's scenario has them compare the incident to a DungeonCrawl. The game is a BulletHell.
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What genre conventions do they believe apply that don't?


* In VideoGame/TouhouChireidenSubterraneanAnimism, Marisa and Alice's scenario has them compare the incident to a DungeonCrawl. The game is a BulletHell.

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%%ZCE * In VideoGame/TouhouChireidenSubterraneanAnimism, Marisa and Alice's scenario has them compare the incident to a DungeonCrawl. The game is a BulletHell.
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* In VideoGame/TouhouChireidenSubterraneanAnimism, Marisa and Alice's scenario has them compare the incident to a DungeonCrawl. The game is a BulletHell.
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* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2'', [[NoRespectGuy Pierce]] comes up with a heist plan straight out of both ''Film/OceansEleven'' and ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' in order to put the hurt on the [[{{Yakuza}} Ronin]]'s casino. Because the [[GangBangers 3rd Street Saints]] were refounded by two of the gang's biggest [[BloodKnight blood knights]], The Boss opts for Johnny Gat's plan of shooting everyone standing between them and the casino's money.
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%%* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.

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%%* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion * In ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2'', [[NoRespectGuy Pierce]] comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 both ''Film/OceansEleven'' and ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' in order to put the hurt on a rival the [[{{Yakuza}} Ronin]]'s casino. Because the [[GangBangers 3rd Street Saints]] were refounded by two of the gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple biggest [[BloodKnight blood knights]], The Boss opts for Johnny Gat's plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.standing between them and the casino's money.
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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'': Liam, being a movie buff, falls into this on occasion, thinking Peebee's declaring LetsSplitUpGang might result in her death by spike pit (it doesn't), and more seriously during his LoyaltyMission, where he thinks that if you rush into a situation with [[IndyPloy no real plan]], it's still "supposed" to work because they're the heroes. What happens is everything goes seriously screwy.

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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'': Liam, being a movie buff, falls into this on occasion, thinking thinks Peebee's declaring LetsSplitUpGang might result in her death by spike pit (it doesn't), and more seriously during his LoyaltyMission, where he thinks that if you rush into a situation with [[IndyPloy no real plan]], it's still "supposed" to work because they're the heroes. What happens is everything goes seriously screwy.
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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'': Liam, being a movie buff, falls into this on occasion, thinking Peebee's declaring LetsSplitUpGang might result in her death by spike pit (it doesn't), and more seriously during his LoyaltyMission, where he thinks that if you rush into a situation with [[IndyPloy no real plan]], it's still "supposed" to work because they're the heroes. What happens is everything goes seriously screwy.
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What does any of this have to do with familiarity with the genre conventions of in-universe fiction?


* ''VisualNovel/{{CLANNAD}}'' has Sunohara, who tries raising relationship flags as much as possible and is convinced he had a CrashIntoHello with Kappei, refusing to admit that the [[DudeLooksLikeALady dude just looks like a lady]].
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* ''VisualNovel/{{CLANNAD}}'' has Sunohara, who tries raising relationship flags as much as possible and is convinced he had a CrashIntoHello with Kappei, refusing to admit that the [[DudeLooksLikeALady dude just looks like a lady]].
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Shoehorning / Weasel Worlds. Examples don't "seem to be" examples, they ARE or they AREN'T. DOES the character have knowledge of genre tropes derived from familiarity with in-universe fiction, or DON'T they?


* In ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUsPartII'', Abby's entire motivation for [[spoiler:killing Joel is to avenge her father's murder at his hands during the climactic finale of the first game (the head surgeon Joel stabs to death to get to Ellie? Him), and she seems to believe she is the AntiHero protagonist of a revenge story. When she finally meets her father's killer (in a completely chance encounter after he ''saves her life'' no less), she blows his leg out and he demands to know who she is and why she wants him dead. She simply smirks and dryly says "Guess"... and Joel just scowls and [[FaceDeathWithDignity tells her to finish up whatever speech she has rehearsed and]] GetItOverWith. He clearly has not even the faintest idea who she is, [[RealityEnsues and why would he?]] You can practically see how disappointed and almost insulted she is.]]
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* In ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUsPartII'', Abby's entire motivation for [[spoiler:killing Joel is to avenge her father's murder at his hands during the climactic finale of the first game (the head surgeon Joel stabs to death to get to Ellie? Him), and she seems to believe she is the AntiHero protagonist of a revenge story. When she finally meets her father's killer (in a completely chance encounter after he ''saves her life'' no less), she blows his leg out and he demands to know who she is and why she wants him dead. She simply smirks and dryly says "Guess"... and Joel just scowls and [[FaceDeathWithDignity tells her to finish up whatever speech she has rehearsed and]] GetItOverWith. He clearly has not even the faintest idea who she is, [[RealityEnsues and why would he?]] You can practically see how disappointed and almost insulted she is.]]
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Shoehorning. Wrong Genre Savvy is about knowledge of in-universe genre fiction


* ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'': In the "All the Statesmen!" event, the Master With No Name horribly mistreats her Servants for having low rarity value and stats, and acts like she owns her version of Chaldea with no consequence. This would be fine if the was the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist of a MetaFiction parody of ''Fate/Grand Order'' (and indeed, [[Webcomic/LearningWithMangaFGO that's the kind of world she came from]]), but she's in a parody of that parody where her actions are treated by the main cast as on par with standard Singularity villains. She also gets furious at you treating Paul Bunyan and other Bronze Servants like people instead of Mana Prism kindling, conflating standard procedure when ''playing'' a gacha RPG with living in one.
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* ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'': In the "All the Statesmen!" event, the Master With No Name horribly mistreats her Servants for having low rarity value and stats, and acts like she owns her version of Chaldea with no consequence. This would be fine if the was the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist of a MetaFiction parody of ''Fate/Grand Order'' (and indeed, [[Webcomic/LearningWithMangaFGO that's the kind of world she came from]]), but she's in a parody of that parody where her actions are treated by the main cast as on par with standard Singularity villains. She also gets furious at you treating Paul Bunyan and other Bronze Servants like people instead of Mana Prism kindling, conflating standard procedure when ''playing'' a gacha RPG with living in one.
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What in-universe fiction does his knowledge of genre conventions come from? What genre conventions does he believe apply that don't?


* Bang Shishigami from the ''Franchise/{{Blazblue}}'' games is an ultra-hammy ninja who seems to fully believe that he is the action hero of a Shonen anime series fighting against TheEmpire. He even tells the player to "Tune in next week!" in one of his victory quotes from the first game! While he is technically not wrong about the genre or the state of his world, he is ''definitely'' not TheHero - in fact the actual protagonist (a vengeful, amoral NinetiesAntiHero, think a hybrid of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]], [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts]] and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Sol Badguy]] and you're partway there) just treats him as a nuisance.

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* %%* Bang Shishigami from the ''Franchise/{{Blazblue}}'' games is an ultra-hammy ninja who seems to fully believe that he is the action hero of a Shonen anime series fighting against TheEmpire. He even tells the player to "Tune in next week!" in one of his victory quotes from the first game! While he is technically not wrong about the genre or the state of his world, he is ''definitely'' not TheHero - in fact the actual protagonist (a vengeful, amoral NinetiesAntiHero, think a hybrid of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]], [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts]] and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Sol Badguy]] and you're partway there) just treats him as a nuisance.
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* Bang Shishigami from the ''Franchise/{{Blazblue}}'' games is an ultra-hammy ninja who seems to fully believe that he is the action hero of a Shonen anime series fighting against TheEmpire. He even tells the player to "Tune in next week!" in one of his victory quotes from the first game! While he is technically not wrong about the genre or the state of his world, he is ''definitely'' not TheHero - in fact the actual protagonist (a vengeful, amoral NinetiesAntiHero, think a hybrid of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]], [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts]] and [[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Sol Badguy]] and you're partway there) just treats him as a nuisance.
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* In ''VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVsPhoenixWrightAceAttorney'', when Phoenix arrives to defend Espella in the Witches' Court in Labyrinthia, he initially approaches it like a standard trial from [[Franchise/AceAttorney his home series]], but quickly realises that in a StandardFantasySetting where magic is real and forensic science doesn't exist, his usual logic-based defence techniques don't work. He's seconds away from losing the trial when Layton arrives, carrying an encyclopedia on the world's magic, and helps Phoenix start to adapt his thinking to Labyrinthia's rules.
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* In ''VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVsPhoenixWrightAceAttorney'', when Phoenix arrives to defend Espella in the Witches' Court in Labyrinthia, he initially approaches it like a standard trial from [[Franchise/AceAttorney his home series]], but quickly realises that in a StandardFantasySetting where magic is real and forensic science doesn't exist, his usual logic-based defence techniques don't work. He's seconds away from losing the trial when Layton arrives, carrying an encyclopedia on the world's magic, and helps Phoenix start to adapt his thinking to Labyrinthia's rules.
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Not An Example. Wrong Genre Savvy is more than just "not especially Genre Savvy".


* Detective Dojima of ''VideoGame/Persona4'' is a police officer and investigator who is... actually pretty good at his job. He's methodical, detail-oriented, and thorough. Unfortunately, he has no idea that he's in an UrbanFantasy setting, so his attempts to find logical, realistic solutions to the recent string of murders in town are all completely useless.
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* Detective Dojima of ''VideoGame/Persona4'' is a police officer and investigator who is... actually pretty good at his job. He's methodical, detail-oriented, and thorough. Unfortunately, he has no idea that he's in an UrbanFantasy setting, so his attempts to find logical, realistic solutions to the recent string of murders in town are all completely useless.
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', King Cailan establishes himself as a great admirer of the Grey Wardens, and expresses his eagerness to fight alongside them to defeat the darkspawn like in all the stories he has read. Unfortunately for Cailan, ''Dragon Age'' is [[BlackAndGrayMorality not that kind of fantasy]]. Anybody who has read ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and is aware that it was a great influence in this game will dub King Cailan "[[spoiler:King Redshirt III]]" after hearing him speak for about 10 seconds.

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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', King Cailan establishes himself as a great admirer of the Grey Wardens, and expresses his eagerness to fight alongside them to defeat the darkspawn like in all the stories he has read. Unfortunately for Cailan, ''Dragon Age'' is [[BlackAndGrayMorality not that kind of fantasy]]. Anybody who has read ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and is aware that it was a great influence in this game will dub King Cailan "[[spoiler:King Redshirt RedShirt III]]" after hearing him speak for about 10 seconds.
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%%* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.

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%%* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.them.
* ''VideoGame/UntilDawn'':
** Once the main characters realize that there's a killer on the loose, Emily insists to Matt that they should not go back to the lodge, as that's what he'd be expecting them to do. [[spoiler:Considering that the ''actual'' threat wasn't a slasher killer, but something far more supernatural and monstrous, the lodge was actually the safest place on the mountain.]]
** After learning about [[spoiler:the {{wendigo}}es]], the main characters initially assume that [[spoiler:they are like [[OurZombiesAreDifferent zombies]] -- and that Emily, should she be bitten by a wendigo during her chase scene, is [[ZombieInfectee infected]]. They're wrong, but they only learn that ''after'' you're given the option to [[StakingTheLovedOne kill her]].]] Sam is the only one willing to give Emily the benefit of the doubt and tries calming the others down, and needless to say, Emily is quite justifiably ''furious'' afterwards.
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--> '''Romero:''' Whatever you do, don't let them bite you.
--> '''Player:''' Why? Will I turn into a zombie then?
--> '''Romero:''' Nope. It just hurts like a bitch.

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'''Player:''' Why? Will I turn into a zombie then?
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'''Romero:''' Nope. It just hurts like a bitch.
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Is it literally out of Ocean's 11? By name? If not, what in-universe fiction does it come from?


* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.

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* %%* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.
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-->'''Flynn:''' Sorry love, but this isn't a movie. And you're not the plucky girl who reforms the villain and saves the day.

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-->'''Flynn:''' Sorry love, but this isn't a movie. And you're not the plucky girl who reforms the villain and saves the day.day.
* ''VideoGame/SaintsRow2''. A loyal minion comes up with a heist plan straight out of Ocean's 11 in order to put the hurt on a rival gang's casino. Gat over rules the minion with the simple plan of shooting everyone who tries to stop them.
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Does he get his genre knowledge from actual storybooks?


** A third is Grünfeld Bach's view of [=LaCroix=]. Bach considers [=LaCroix=] a storybook monster, and expects him to show up to slaughter his way through the Society of St. Leopold if he pushes hard enough. However, [=LaCroix=] is a very human character - a petty, egotistic schemer with an ego the size of a country and nothing to back it up, who happily cowers in his tower and sends his patsies out to do the heavy lifting.

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** %%** A third is Grünfeld Bach's view of [=LaCroix=]. Bach considers [=LaCroix=] a storybook monster, and expects him to show up to slaughter his way through the Society of St. Leopold if he pushes hard enough. However, [=LaCroix=] is a very human character - a petty, egotistic schemer with an ego the size of a country and nothing to back it up, who happily cowers in his tower and sends his patsies out to do the heavy lifting.

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