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But what if that man wasn't his father, but actually just a past self? We never get much about his past or his youth that would make a concrete case of age, just past adventures like working with Saddam Hussein, a marriage where he murdered his wife, just one off gags like Kenneth back in the previous five seasons. In fact his name could've likely been a big tip off since its spelled the same as Specimen, like a science specimen (possibly one done my nazi mad scientists?)

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But what if that man wasn't his father, but actually just a past self? We never get much about his past or his youth that would make a concrete case of age, just past adventures like working with Saddam Hussein, a marriage where he murdered his wife, just one off gags like Kenneth back in the previous five seasons. In fact his name could've likely been a big tip off since its spelled the same as Specimen, like a science specimen (possibly one done my nazi mad scientists?)scientists?)
*His name is spelled “Spaceman”, hence Tracy yelling “call Dr. Spaceman!” in “Tracy Does Conan”.


She started making people laugh ''with'' her not ''at'' her, probably as a child. She got good enough at it to do it professionally in a "glamorous" network TV setting. And then the [[ModernMajorGeneral Peter Principle]] kicked in, and she wound up in a position that's [[LizLemonJob as much Human Resources as it is comedy writing]].

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She started making people laugh ''with'' her not ''at'' her, probably as a child. She got good enough at it to do it professionally in a "glamorous" network TV setting. And then the [[ModernMajorGeneral Peter Principle]] kicked in, and she wound up in a position that's [[LizLemonJob [[OnlySaneEmployee as much Human Resources as it is comedy writing]].


[[WMG: Leap Day William is a [[CthulhuMythos Lovecraftian/Derlethian]] Elder God]]

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[[WMG: Leap Day William is a [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Lovecraftian/Derlethian]] Elder God]]


But what if that man wasn't his father, but actually just a past self? We never get much about his past or his youth that would make a concrete case of age, just past adventures like working with Saddam Hussein, a marriage where he murdered his wife, just one off gags.

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But what if that man wasn't his father, but actually just a past self? We never get much about his past or his youth that would make a concrete case of age, just past adventures like working with Saddam Hussein, a marriage where he murdered his wife, just one off gags.gags like Kenneth back in the previous five seasons. In fact his name could've likely been a big tip off since its spelled the same as Specimen, like a science specimen (possibly one done my nazi mad scientists?)


Based on a few things: There's a throwaway line where Liz tells Jack that of course she is a woman, that doctor was a "quack" anyway and her parents shouldn't have trusted him. Later, in one of the final seasons, there's another throwaway line where her boyfriend comments on her being a woman, but then wonders why he's never seen baby pictures of her. It's possible she was born with some sort of ambiguous genitalia and that the doctor who delivered her declared her male, which wasn't corrected until her parents took her to a different doctor who steered her parents in the other direction. This might also have had something to do with her inability to conceive. As a bonus, it adds a little something to the scene in which she receives the gender neutral doll - with both sets of genitals - that she always wanted as a kid. While there would be nothing unusual about her wanting it even if she wasn't/isn't intersex, it could be seen as her being excited about a doll she felt was at least somewhat like her.

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Based on a few things: There's a throwaway line where Liz tells Jack that of course she is a woman, that doctor was a "quack" anyway and her parents shouldn't have trusted him. Later, in one of the final seasons, there's another throwaway line where her boyfriend comments on her being a woman, but then wonders why he's never seen baby pictures of her. It's possible she was born with some sort of ambiguous genitalia and that the doctor who delivered her declared her male, which wasn't corrected until her parents took her to a different doctor who steered her parents in the other direction. This might also have had something to do with her inability to conceive. As a bonus, it adds a little something to the scene in which she receives the gender neutral doll - with both sets of genitals - that she always wanted as a kid. While there would be nothing unusual about her wanting it even if she wasn't/isn't intersex, it could be seen as her being excited about a doll she felt was at least somewhat like her.her.

[[WMG: Doctor Leo Specimen is immortal as well]]
In the second live episode of the series, the good doctor's actor plays both him and another character with the same name during a show's advertisement from the 1950s. The weird part comes from how both times he's on the show, his character calls himself "nazi doctor Specimen", though with different names. At first glance, you'd think it was just Leo Specimen's father for a flashback.

But what if that man wasn't his father, but actually just a past self? We never get much about his past or his youth that would make a concrete case of age, just past adventures like working with Saddam Hussein, a marriage where he murdered his wife, just one off gags.


[[WMG:Kenneth is related to ForrestGump.]]

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[[WMG:Kenneth is related to ForrestGump.Film/ForrestGump.]]


[[WMG: Liz Lemon is {{intersex}}.]]

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[[WMG: Liz Lemon is {{intersex}}.intersex.]]


Liz's great-granddaughter essentially pitches the same show Liz did-- one based on her life as the writer of TGS-- but tells her that he loves the idea, while Liz couldn't even finish her pitch. Kenneth being Kenneth, he likely did love the idea just as much when Liz suggested it, and could have green-lit the show despite the concept being on his no-no list. So why didn't he, and why did he green-light it 100 years later? Because he wanted this show to be adored. If he has said yes to Liz, the show would have been in the same position as 30 Rock was: critically adored, cult following, but always on the bubble, because it wasn't what people wanted. Rather than dooming something that likely would have meant a great deal to him to cult status, Kenneth said no, biding his time. 100 years later, Liz's great-granddaughter comes in to pitch a series about Liz and TGS, but this time, audiences tastes have shifted, so much so that a smart period comedy about a fictionalized version of a cult sketch comedy show's production would be a huge success.

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Liz's great-granddaughter essentially pitches the same show Liz did-- one based on her life as the writer of TGS-- but tells her that he loves the idea, while Liz couldn't even finish her pitch. Kenneth being Kenneth, he likely did love the idea just as much when Liz suggested it, and could have green-lit the show despite the concept being on his no-no list. So why didn't he, and why did he green-light it 100 years later? Because he wanted this show to be adored. If he has said yes to Liz, the show would have been in the same position as 30 Rock was: critically adored, cult following, but always on the bubble, because it wasn't what people wanted. Rather than dooming something that likely would have meant a great deal to him to cult status, Kenneth said no, biding his time. 100 years later, Liz's great-granddaughter comes in to pitch a series about Liz and TGS, but this time, audiences tastes have shifted, so much so that a smart period comedy about a fictionalized version of a cult sketch comedy show's production would be a huge success.success.

[[WMG: Liz Lemon is {{intersex}}.]]
Based on a few things: There's a throwaway line where Liz tells Jack that of course she is a woman, that doctor was a "quack" anyway and her parents shouldn't have trusted him. Later, in one of the final seasons, there's another throwaway line where her boyfriend comments on her being a woman, but then wonders why he's never seen baby pictures of her. It's possible she was born with some sort of ambiguous genitalia and that the doctor who delivered her declared her male, which wasn't corrected until her parents took her to a different doctor who steered her parents in the other direction. This might also have had something to do with her inability to conceive. As a bonus, it adds a little something to the scene in which she receives the gender neutral doll - with both sets of genitals - that she always wanted as a kid. While there would be nothing unusual about her wanting it even if she wasn't/isn't intersex, it could be seen as her being excited about a doll she felt was at least somewhat like her.


* There was also a deleted scene from "Mamma Mia" in which a WorldWarTwo veteran recognizes him as one of his war buddies.

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* There was also a deleted scene from "Mamma Mia" in which a WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII veteran recognizes him as one of his war buddies.


[[WMG: ''30 Rock'' is the modern version of ''Series/MaryTylerMooreShow'']]

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[[WMG: ''30 Rock'' is the modern version of ''Series/MaryTylerMooreShow'']]''Series/TheMaryTylerMooreShow'']]


[[WMG: 30Rock is the modern version of MaryTylerMooreShow]]
I thought about this while watching the latter show. Both inculde
-A TV Station setting
-A female protaganist working at a TV Show while balancing a hectic personal life (Mary/Liz)
-A boss she trusts yet also battles with creatively (Lou Grant/Jack)
-A manchild star with a big ego(Ted/Tracy)
-A bald friend who offers advice (Murray/Pete)
-an entitled blonde who causes problems (Sue Ann/Jenna)

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[[WMG: 30Rock ''30 Rock'' is the modern version of MaryTylerMooreShow]]
''Series/MaryTylerMooreShow'']]
I thought about this while watching the latter show. Both inculde
-A
include
* A
TV Station setting
-A * A female protaganist protagonist working at a TV Show while balancing a hectic personal life (Mary/Liz)
-A * A boss she trusts yet also battles with creatively (Lou Grant/Jack)
-A * A manchild star with a big ego(Ted/Tracy)
-A * A bald friend who offers advice (Murray/Pete)
-an * An entitled blonde who causes problems (Sue Ann/Jenna)


** Liz is way too social to have Aspergers. Liz was a part of [[TheWindyCity Second City]] back in the day. A person with Aspergers would not be able to go and perform in front of a bunch of people like that.

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** Liz is way too social to have Aspergers. Liz was a part of [[TheWindyCity [[UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}} Second City]] back in the day. A person with Aspergers would not be able to go and perform in front of a bunch of people like that.


* Seeing as the writers of this show are admitted ubernerds, it would be a safe guess that they are, at least, aware of TVtropes and the running gag it has about wild mass guessing various characters in fiction are time lords. The writers may have actually written Kenneth to, at least, showcase time lord traits so they could get tropers to write about it here. If that is the case...well played, Lemon.

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* Seeing as the writers of this show are admitted ubernerds, it would be a safe guess that they are, at least, aware of TVtropes Wiki/TVTropes and the running gag it has about wild mass guessing various characters in fiction are time lords. The writers may have actually written Kenneth to, at least, showcase time lord traits so they could get tropers to write about it here. If that is the case...well played, Lemon.


** Well, now, there ''is'' a difference between "softcore" porn (attractive people doing technically non-sexual things in skimpy clothing) and "hardcore" porn (attractive people get naked and perform overt sexual acts). ''Series/ThirtyRock'' is softcore nerdporn (TinaFey. What, you need more? Well, there ''is'' more.) as opposed to hardcore nerdporn (Creator/TinaFey deciding to do a ''Series/ThirtyRock'' episode with Creator/FeliciaDay, Creator/NathanFillion, Creator/WilliamShatner, Creator/LucyLawless, etc, and so on, etc).

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** Well, now, there ''is'' a difference between "softcore" porn (attractive people doing technically non-sexual things in skimpy clothing) and "hardcore" porn (attractive people get naked and perform overt sexual acts). ''Series/ThirtyRock'' is softcore nerdporn (TinaFey.(Creator/TinaFey. What, you need more? Well, there ''is'' more.) as opposed to hardcore nerdporn (Creator/TinaFey deciding to do a ''Series/ThirtyRock'' episode with Creator/FeliciaDay, Creator/NathanFillion, Creator/WilliamShatner, Creator/LucyLawless, etc, and so on, etc).


* When he started working at NBC, ShirleyTemple was eight - that's 1936/37.

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* When he started working at NBC, ShirleyTemple Creator/ShirleyTemple was eight - that's 1936/37.

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