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* [[spoiler:On top of that, ''Puellae'' are essentially {{Lich}}es. The original Vecna from ''TabletopGames/DungeonsAndDragons'' was one of the prototypes for the current conception of liches, and his picture is actually the illustration on TV Tropes's article on them.]]
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* [[spoiler:On top of that, ''Puellae'' are essentially {{Lich}}es. The original Vecna from ''TabletopGames/DungeonsAndDragons'' was one of [[TropeCodifier the prototypes prototypes]] for the current conception of liches, and his picture is actually the illustration on TV Tropes's article on them.]]
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The 90s and 2000s nostalgic boom is happening.
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By the time the spinoff could come out, it would be close to or even within the 2030's, and thus the eras will be as distant from eacher other as the 2010's were to the 80's, and it's likely a nostalgic boom for both the 1990's and 2000's will be in full swing. This would be a a perfect time to write a story based around the period, no doubt involving the MillenniumBug in some way.
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By the time the spinoff could come out, it would be close to or even within the 2030's, and thus the eras will be as distant from eacher other as the 2010's were to the 80's, and it's likely a the nostalgic boom for both the 1990's and 2000's will be in full swing. This would be a a perfect time to write a story based around the Y2K period, no doubt involving the MillenniumBug in some way.
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This theory suggests that the Mind Flayer is only ''pretending'' to be subservient to Vecna, starting from when they met in the Upside Down. Depending on the interpretation, it either allowed him to sculpt its form or willingly took a new form to appeal to Vecna and make him think he's in control, all while secretly manipulating him. It lets Vecna work with it and puts on the facade of being his ally so that it can further its own plans. In season 4, it let him open up more gates so that it could spread, along with hopefully killing its enemies. If this theory does turn out true, the Mind Flayer will [[KickTheSonOfABitch throw him to the side]] in Season 5, while possibly [[DidYouActuallyBelieve mocking him for thinking he had any control over it]].
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This theory suggests that the Mind Flayer is only ''pretending'' to be subservient to Vecna, starting from when they met in the Upside Down. Depending on the interpretation, it either allowed him to sculpt its form or willingly took a new form to appeal to Vecna and make him think he's in control, all while secretly manipulating him. It lets Vecna work with it and puts on the facade of being his ally so that it can further its own plans. In season 4, it let him open up more gates so that it could spread, along with hopefully killing its enemies. If this theory does turn out true, the Mind Flayer will [[KickTheSonOfABitch throw him to the side]] side in Season 5, while possibly [[DidYouActuallyBelieve mocking him for thinking he had any control over it]].
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* [[spoiler:On top of that, ''Puellae'' are essentially {{Lich}}es. The original Vecna from ''TabletopGames/DungeonsAndDragons'' was one of the prototypes for the current conception of liches, and his picture is actually the illustration on TV Tropes's article on them.]]
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* Partially Jossed, partially confirmed. Season 4 wasn't filmed until Covid vaccines were available the pandemic was receding, so there was no need for masking on set or an in-story justification for it. [[spoiler:However, at the very end of season 4 we ''did'' see spores from the UD falling like snow all over Hawkins. What effect they will have remains to be seen in Season 5.]]
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* Partially Jossed, partially confirmed. Season 4 wasn't filmed until Covid vaccines were available and the pandemic was receding, so there was no need for masking on set or an in-story justification for it. [[spoiler:However, at the very end of season 4 we ''did'' see spores from the UD falling like snow all over Hawkins. What effect they will have remains to be seen in Season 5.]]
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* Partially Jossed, partially confirmed. Season 4 wasn't filmed until Covid vaccines were available the pandemic was receding, so there was no need for masking on set or an in-story justification for it. [[spoiler:However, at the very end of season 4 we ''did'' see spores from the UD falling like snow all over Hawkins. What effect they will have remains to be seen in Season 5.]]
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** Jossed - it hasn't updated itself since the night Will went missing in 1983. This is a plot point in S4 when Nancy's guns aren't in the Upside-Down Wheeler House.
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* Partially confirmed by Season 4: [[spoiler:the Upside Down already existed, but its present form and that of the Mind Flayer are mental constructs imposed on them by One/Vecna/Henry Creel after he massacred the other test subjects (apart from Eight, who had already escaped the lab) and Eleven banished him there. It's not so much the embodiment of his pain and fear as of his hatred of humanity.]]
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* Helen Slater (best known for ''Film/TheLegendOfBillieJean'')
* Michael Beihn (best known for ''Film/TheTerminator'' and ''Film/AlienS''. And his character will [[ChronicallyKilledActor more than likely die]])
* Kevin Bacon (best known for ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'', ''Footloose'' and ''She's Having a Baby'')
* Clancy Brown (best known for ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossThe8thDimension'' and ''Highlander'')
* Christian Slater (best known for ''Film/GleamingTheCube'' and ''Heathers''. Will at least have one scene with Winona Ryder)
* Michael Pare (best known for ''Film/EddieAndTheCruisers'', ''Film/ThePhiladelphiaExperiment'' and ''Film/StreetsOfFire'')
* Michael Beihn (best known for ''Film/TheTerminator'' and ''Film/AlienS''. And his character will [[ChronicallyKilledActor more than likely die]])
* Kevin Bacon (best known for ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'', ''Footloose'' and ''She's Having a Baby'')
* Clancy Brown (best known for ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossThe8thDimension'' and ''Highlander'')
* Christian Slater (best known for ''Film/GleamingTheCube'' and ''Heathers''. Will at least have one scene with Winona Ryder)
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* Helen Slater Creator/HelenSlater (best known for ''Film/TheLegendOfBillieJean'')
*Michael Beihn Creator/MichaelBiehn (best known for ''Film/TheTerminator'' and ''Film/AlienS''. And his character will [[ChronicallyKilledActor more than likely die]])
*Kevin Bacon Creator/KevinBacon (best known for ''Film/FridayThe13th1980'', ''Footloose'' ''Film/{{Footloose}}'' and ''She's Having a Baby'')
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*Christian Slater Creator/ChristianSlater (best known for ''Film/GleamingTheCube'' and ''Heathers''. Will at least have one scene with Winona Ryder)
*Michael Pare Creator/MichaelPare (best known for ''Film/EddieAndTheCruisers'', ''Film/ThePhiladelphiaExperiment'' and ''Film/StreetsOfFire'')''Film/StreetsOfFire'')
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[[WMG: The final scene of Season 4 was a vision of the future, not what was taking place at that moment.]]
If there is a significant time skip, then it will turn out that while the "snow" was perceived by everyone in Hawkins, the scene of the town burning and all the vegetation around it dying was Vecna taunting the heroes by showing them the shape of things to come, the way he did to Nancy when he pulled her into the void.
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Kali's abilities deal much more directly with others' minds than El's – there's an application of her clairvoyance that can tap into memories, but she isn't able to anything like Kali's projection of phantasmal sounds and images. She might be able to awaken Max's psyche, or even find her mind inside Vecna's if he did absorb her consciousness and pull it free.
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Kali's abilities deal much more directly with others' minds than El's – there's an application of her clairvoyance that can tap into memories, but she isn't able to do anything like Kali's projection of phantasmal sounds and images. She That ability might be able to awaken Max's psyche, or even find her mind inside Vecna's mind and pull her free if it turns out he did absorb her consciousness and pull it free.consciousness.
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[[WMG: Mike and Eleven will either both survive the season, or both die.]]
I'd bet on them living, as I think the Duffer brothers like those characters too much to kill either of them off, but I think it's even less likely that either one will die while the other survives. If they do die, I think it will be simultaneous, in a shared HeroicSacrifice to save the world from Vecna – something along the lines of Pazu and Sheeta's mutual decision at the end of Anime/CastleInTheSky to give up their lives in order to prevent an unchallengeable weapon from falling into the hands of a murderous megalomaniac. (In that case they survived, but they clearly weren't expecting to, and considered dying together an acceptable price to pay for stopping Muska.)
I'd bet on them living, as I think the Duffer brothers like those characters too much to kill either of them off, but I think it's even less likely that either one will die while the other survives. If they do die, I think it will be simultaneous, in a shared HeroicSacrifice to save the world from Vecna – something along the lines of Pazu and Sheeta's mutual decision at the end of Anime/CastleInTheSky to give up their lives in order to prevent an unchallengeable weapon from falling into the hands of a murderous megalomaniac. (In that case they survived, but they clearly weren't expecting to, and considered dying together an acceptable price to pay for stopping Muska.)
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[[WMG: Kali's power can reach Max's mind where El's can't find her.]]
Kali's abilities deal much more directly with others' minds than El's – there's an application of her clairvoyance that can tap into memories, but she isn't able to anything like Kali's projection of phantasmal sounds and images. She might be able to awaken Max's psyche, or even find her mind inside Vecna's if he did absorb her consciousness and pull it free.
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Just like Barb's death, the story of El's kidnapping, fradulent miscarriage and overall abuse by the Lab will be made public, just without the parts about the Upside Down and psychic powers.
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*Possibly Jossed in season 4; the big revelation about Hopper's backstory was that he was heavily exposed to Agent Orange, and believes that was the cause of the cancer that killed Sarah. There was no mention of Andrew Rich, and the unit to which Hopper was assigned may never have seen frontline service, as their job was mixing the Agent Orange and loading it onto aircraft for deployment.
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This will be [[RealLifeWritesThePlot forced on the producers]] by the Covid-19 pandemic shutdown, but it will mean one or more members of the Party having [[DangerousSixteenthBirthday driver's licenses]] which could ease the distance issues coming from El and the Byers being in another town.
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This will be [[RealLifeWritesThePlot forced on the producers]] by the Covid-19 pandemic shutdown, but it will mean one or more members of the Party having [[DangerousSixteenthBirthday [[Dangerous16thBirthday driver's licenses]] which could ease the distance issues coming from El and the Byers being in another town.
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* I'd theorize it would either happen as celebration after beating Vecna or post TimeSkip since they are both 14 when Vecna is still out there but when they are not actively fighting him and on their base.
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[[WMG: There will be an homage to ''Film/BackToTheFuture'']]
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* Kevin Bacon (best known for ''Film/FridayThe13th'', ''Footloose'' and ''She's Having a Baby'')
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[[WMG: The Mind Flayer hates Vecna.]]
Before meeting Vecna, the Shadow Monster was a formless being of BlueAndOrangeMorality. It was not malevolent-granted, it would probably have tried to assimilate Earth anyway, but only to reproduce and spread, and not out of a desire for conquest. But Vecna gave it a mind and form-and taught it human things like hatred and conquest. Now, the Mind Flayer hates that it's bound to a human-and hates that humans "tainted" it with their influence. It works with Vecna only because it has to: the instant the leash is let go of, it's killing Vecna and taking back control.
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** I doubt it. When you get right down to it, Angela and her mates weren't even small fry. They were bumps on the road for El and Mike, nothing more. Even if they do show up, they will barely have any screentime.
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** It's possible that what will happen is that there will be a time skip but not right out of the gate to start the season.
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* [[https://gamerant.com/elfen-lied-inspire-stranger-things/ It is certain]] that one of the Duffers' influences was the anime ''Anime/ElfenLied'', ''another'' series about an adolescent girl with telekinetic powers [[PoweredByAForsakenChild being horribly exploited in a laboratory]] from which she escapes. To those of you who don't watch much anime, this may say something about certain popular plot ideas and themes in Japanese media.
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[[WMG: Henry was another rare male [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica contractee]].]]
As shown in some of the spinoff materials, not all Kyubey contractees made their wishes for innocent or altruistic reasons [[spoiler:and some didn't mind the prospect of becoming a Witch (or Warlock, in Henry's case) once they learned that AwfulTruth. Needless to say, Vecna is Henry's Warlock name, the Upside Down is his barrier, and the Demogorgons, Demodogs, Mind Flayer, etc. are his Familiars.]]
