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[[WMG: Andurial is manipulating what Nicodemus hears.]]
Andurial wouldn't want Nicodemus to hear what Michael said about the Fallen manipulating him, and Nick not being as full a partner as he thinks. Granted, that particular statement was made at the Carpenters' hime, where we know Andurial can't eavesdrop, but there have likely been similar situations where Nick might have heard something Andurial didn't want him to hear. So, just as a Fae queen can glamour a speaker's lips, or Lash could manipulate what Harry saw and heard, Andurial will sometimes filter and rewrite what shadow intel Nicodemus hears through him.
[[Harry set up Nicodemus's fall, not by plan, but by renaming.]]
Several books ago, Harry decided "Knights of the Blackened Denarius" was too fancy and respectful, and started calling them the Nickelheads. It took very little time before even Michael was using the new name. He calls Nicodemus Archeleon "Nick" and Magog "Yogi" and has snarky nicknames for several others. This is a world where we ''know'' names have power. By renaming the powerful and feared Knights of the Blackened Denarius, Harry has genuinely undermined the fear and respect they used to command. As word of the new Nickelheads appellation spreads, their power will continue to shrink.
Andurial wouldn't want Nicodemus to hear what Michael said about the Fallen manipulating him, and Nick not being as full a partner as he thinks. Granted, that particular statement was made at the Carpenters' hime, where we know Andurial can't eavesdrop, but there have likely been similar situations where Nick might have heard something Andurial didn't want him to hear. So, just as a Fae queen can glamour a speaker's lips, or Lash could manipulate what Harry saw and heard, Andurial will sometimes filter and rewrite what shadow intel Nicodemus hears through him.
[[Harry set up Nicodemus's fall, not by plan, but by renaming.]]
Several books ago, Harry decided "Knights of the Blackened Denarius" was too fancy and respectful, and started calling them the Nickelheads. It took very little time before even Michael was using the new name. He calls Nicodemus Archeleon "Nick" and Magog "Yogi" and has snarky nicknames for several others. This is a world where we ''know'' names have power. By renaming the powerful and feared Knights of the Blackened Denarius, Harry has genuinely undermined the fear and respect they used to command. As word of the new Nickelheads appellation spreads, their power will continue to shrink.
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Given how untrustworthy Nick is, it's likely that Michael was going to heaven regardless, but even if his soul was caught in Hades' realm, it wouldn't have mattered. Hades is fair and impartial in his judgement. To deprive Michael of his Lord and his family would be the gravest injustice imaginable. In all probability, Hades would "sentence" him to heaven, which would basically entail personally calling Uriel with a "hey, this one isn't mine, come get him."
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Given how untrustworthy Nick is, it's likely that Michael was going to heaven regardless, but even if his soul was caught in Hades' realm, it wouldn't have mattered. Hades is fair and impartial in his judgement. To deprive Michael of his Lord and his family would be the gravest injustice imaginable. In all probability, Hades would "sentence" him to heaven, which would basically entail personally calling Uriel with a "hey, this one isn't mine, come get him.""
[[WMG: We'll see Jordan again.]]
Jordan could be a source of vital information, either by our heroes questioning him about something, or he himself realizing something he knows is important and coming to them with it.
Or, we could just see him in a park, five years from now, exchanging ASL signs with his deaf wife and kids.
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[[WMG: We'll see Jordan again.]]
Jordan could be a source of vital information, either by our heroes questioning him about something, or he himself realizing something he knows is important and coming to them with it.
Or, we could just see him in a park, five years from now, exchanging ASL signs with his deaf wife and kids.
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** In the next book, it turns out it's [[spoiler: the first one]].
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Given how untrustworthy Nick is, it's likely that Michael was going to heaven regardless, but even if his soul was caught in Hades' realm, it wouldn't have mattered. Hades is fair and impartial in his judgement. To deprive Michael of his Lord and his family would be the gravest injustice imaginable. In all probability, Hades would "sentence" him to heaven, which would basically entail personally calling Uriel with a "hey, this one isn't mine, come get him".him."
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Harry buys her bluff and assumes Lasciel knows everything that transpired between himself and Lash, but in truth, she doesn't know any more than what she can guess and Anduriel can pass along to her.
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Harry buys her bluff and assumes Lasciel knows everything that transpired between himself and Lash, but in truth, she doesn't know any more than what she can guess and Anduriel can pass along to her.her.
[[WMG: It didn't matter if Michael died in Hades' realm]]
Given how untrustworthy Nick is, it's likely that Michael was going to heaven regardless, but even if his soul was caught in Hades' realm, it wouldn't have mattered. Hades is fair and impartial in his judgement. To deprive Michael of his Lord and his family would be the gravest injustice imaginable. In all probability, Hades would "sentence" him to heaven, which would basically entail personally calling Uriel with a "hey, this one isn't mine, come get him".
[[WMG: It didn't matter if Michael died in Hades' realm]]
Given how untrustworthy Nick is, it's likely that Michael was going to heaven regardless, but even if his soul was caught in Hades' realm, it wouldn't have mattered. Hades is fair and impartial in his judgement. To deprive Michael of his Lord and his family would be the gravest injustice imaginable. In all probability, Hades would "sentence" him to heaven, which would basically entail personally calling Uriel with a "hey, this one isn't mine, come get him".
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Look at what she says to Harry. She calls him "lover," because even though she knows he never took up the coin, she cannot conceive of a man, given the chance at completely realistic fantasy sex with whatever female form they choose, turning down the opportunity completely. She assumes Harry ''must'' have taken her up on at least that part of her offerings. Everything else could come from Anduriel eavesdropping on Harry's conversation with Murphy, when he told ''her'' about the spirit gestating in his head.
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Look at what she says to Harry. She calls him "lover," because even though she knows he never took up the coin, she cannot conceive of a man, given the chance at completely realistic fantasy sex with whatever female form they choose, turning down the opportunity completely. She assumes Harry ''must'' have taken her up on at least that part of her offerings. (She may even assume that was how their child was created, not realizing Lash's sacrifice because she can't [[{{Pun}} conceive]] her shadow could do that.) Everything else could come from Anduriel eavesdropping on Harry's conversation with Murphy, when he told ''her'' about the spirit gestating in his head.
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** Id-Harry's right, and he should drop at least some of it at Executive Priority Health. A lot safer than trying to get some from among the Sidhe.
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** Id-Harry's right, and he should drop at least some of it at Executive Priority Health. A lot safer than trying to get some from among the Sidhe.Sidhe.
[[WMG: How much does Lasciel know from Lash? ''Nothing.'']]
* By the end of her existence, Lash was on Harry's side, willing to die to protect him. Initially it seemed like she was destroyed with no chance to communicate with Lasciel. Even if she wasn't, Lash said that Lasciel would never let her rejoin her mentally now. And if they ''did'' merge, shouldn't at least some of Lash's new affection for Harry have come with her?
So most likely, Lash never merged with Lasciel, never gave her any info about Harry.
''Lasciel was bluffing about that.''
Look at what she says to Harry. She calls him "lover," because even though she knows he never took up the coin, she cannot conceive of a man, given the chance at completely realistic fantasy sex with whatever female form they choose, turning down the opportunity completely. She assumes Harry ''must'' have taken her up on at least that part of her offerings. Everything else could come from Anduriel eavesdropping on Harry's conversation with Murphy, when he told ''her'' about the spirit gestating in his head.
Harry buys her bluff and assumes Lasciel knows everything that transpired between himself and Lash, but in truth, she doesn't know any more than what she can guess and Anduriel can pass along to her.
[[WMG: How much does Lasciel know from Lash? ''Nothing.'']]
* By the end of her existence, Lash was on Harry's side, willing to die to protect him. Initially it seemed like she was destroyed with no chance to communicate with Lasciel. Even if she wasn't, Lash said that Lasciel would never let her rejoin her mentally now. And if they ''did'' merge, shouldn't at least some of Lash's new affection for Harry have come with her?
So most likely, Lash never merged with Lasciel, never gave her any info about Harry.
''Lasciel was bluffing about that.''
Look at what she says to Harry. She calls him "lover," because even though she knows he never took up the coin, she cannot conceive of a man, given the chance at completely realistic fantasy sex with whatever female form they choose, turning down the opportunity completely. She assumes Harry ''must'' have taken her up on at least that part of her offerings. Everything else could come from Anduriel eavesdropping on Harry's conversation with Murphy, when he told ''her'' about the spirit gestating in his head.
Harry buys her bluff and assumes Lasciel knows everything that transpired between himself and Lash, but in truth, she doesn't know any more than what she can guess and Anduriel can pass along to her.
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*** But Charity's count of how many college years they still had to pay for ''included'' Maggie, so that's coming out of the Carpenters' full share, not Dresden's half-share.
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** Id-Harry's right, and he should drop at least some of it at Executive Priority Health. A lot safer than trying to get some from among the Sidhe.
** Id-Harry's right, and he should drop at least some of it at Executive Priority Health. A lot safer than trying to get some from among the Sidhe.
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** Sheila Molly Dresden. To honor her mother and midwife. Unbeknownst to Harry, naming a child after a sitting Winter Lady makes the fae the godmother of the child. HilarityEnsues.
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** [[ReplacementGoldfish Another Beetle.]] In blue. And a college fund for Maggie. No GED for Dresden's kid.
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** [[ReplacementGoldfish Another Beetle.]] In blue. And a college fund for Maggie. No GED for Dresden's kid.kid.
** A donut. With frosting of white, and sprinkles 'pon. But no jelly within.
** A donut. With frosting of white, and sprinkles 'pon. But no jelly within.
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*** Another possible reason possibly reason, which may or may not be related to Demonreach (not) remaining intact, might be that he needs to stay there in stasis until some local GodzillaThreshold has been passed, at which point [[KingInTheMountain he's automatically released]].
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** It would make a great deal of sense for it to be Merlin, as the prisoner says he's "someone who needs to be here." Could be either a sign of a fallen Merlin who's undergone a HeelRealization and regards imprisonment as atonement or justice, or that Merlin literally ''needs'' to be part of Demonreach to sustain it and make sure it stays intact.
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** [[ReplacementGoldfish Another Beetle.]] In blue. And a college fund for Maggie. No GED for Dresden's kid.
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** Ashley. Lash + Harr''y'', and she rose from the ''ashes'' of her mother's HeroicSacrifice.
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** If anything, the derivation may be the other way around: the hags that became Hecate based ''their'' maiden/mother/crone image on the ''Queens'', rather than vice versa.
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** Another possibility, is what if JackTheRipper UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper was not exactly human?
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* Saws, gouges, files, and drills for woodworking. (Staff, wooden skull)
* Precious metals foundry setup (new kinetic rings, etc.)
* Zodiac extra strong inflatable boat, to reach Demon'sreach.
* Lavish gifts for Maggie (live pony?)
* Saws, gouges, files, and drills for woodworking. (Staff, wooden skull)
* Precious metals foundry setup (new kinetic rings, etc.)
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* The Demonreach prisoner that "just sounded... British", tells Harry to "piss off" and berates him for not understanding the concept of "stasis" - Keep in mind that a) Demonreach was constructed by Merlin, and b) we've not heard the fate of Merlin. Considering that Butcher drew our attention to this prisoner, yet didn't explain who he was...
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* The Demonreach prisoner that "just sounded... British", tells Harry to "piss off" and berates him for not understanding the concept of "stasis" - Keep in mind that a) Demonreach was constructed by Merlin, and b) we've not heard the fate of Merlin.Merlin, c) Merlin was traditionally imprisoned in the Crystal Cave. Considering that Butcher drew our attention to this prisoner, yet didn't explain who he was...
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* Tee-na (short for Athena). Also a large kitten named "Miss" so that she can go on field trips with Bob and Mister.
* After Harry gives a away most of his diamonds, what should he spend the remaining money on?
*A new leather coat (Butters is making such good use of his old one).
*Saws, gouges, files, and drills for woodworking. (Staff, wooden skull)
*Precious metals foundry setup (new kinetic rings, etc.)
*Zodiac extra strong inflatable boat, to reach Demon'sreach.
*Lavish gifts for Maggie (live pony?)
* Tee-na (short for Athena). Also a large kitten named "Miss" so that she can go on field trips with Bob and Mister.
* After Harry gives a away most of his diamonds, what should he spend the remaining money on?
*A new leather coat (Butters is making such good use of his old one).
*Saws, gouges, files, and drills for woodworking. (Staff, wooden skull)
*Precious metals foundry setup (new kinetic rings, etc.)
*Zodiac extra strong inflatable boat, to reach Demon'sreach.
*Lavish gifts for Maggie (live pony?)
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** Bonnie.
** Bonnie.
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** Sadly, this doesn't mesh with ''Welcome To The Jungle'', which states that Hecate is an Ascended (think completed the ritual in ''Dead Beat'') trio of monsters referred to as Hecatean Hags. The leap "Greek Pantheon" + Maiden, Mother, Crone = Hecate makes perfect sense, and that the evil trio of female quasideities that are the Winter Queens have become conflated with the evil trio of female quasideities that are Hecate over the millennia is quite understandable, but this time she was mistaken.
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* Given the statues of the Faerie Queens in Hades' vault, and that they were speculated to be statues of Hecate by Hannah Ascher, the true name of the Mothers (all the queens, really) as mentioned in Cold Days, is Hecate. Seems rather obvious, really, upon seriously thinking about it.
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* Given the statues of the Faerie Queens in Hades' vault, and that they were speculated to be statues of Hecate by Hannah Ascher, the true name of the Mothers (all the queens, really) as mentioned in Cold Days, is Hecate. Seems rather obvious, really, upon seriously thinking about it.it.
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* I wonder what Harry is going to name his new daughter? Shiela for her mother maybe?
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* The Demonreach prisoner that "just sounded... British", tells Harry to "piss off" and berates him for not understanding the concept of "stasis" - Keep in mind that a) Demonreach was constructed by Merlin, and b) we've not heard the fate of Merlin. Considering that Butcher drew our attention to this prisoner, yet didn't explain who he was...was...
* Goodman Grey works for God much in the same way that Harry works for Mab. He worked for Harry because he needed to "pay the Rent" with a noticeably capitalized R and anything in-universe that is associated with God is capitalized like that. He was also prepared to wait for a long time outside the Carpenters' house until Harry gives him his $1 as a sign of having completed his job, much like how Harry has to help Nicodemus be in possession of the Grail to complete his deal with Mab/Nicodemus.
* Goodman Grey works for God much in the same way that Harry works for Mab. He worked for Harry because he needed to "pay the Rent" with a noticeably capitalized R and anything in-universe that is associated with God is capitalized like that. He was also prepared to wait for a long time outside the Carpenters' house until Harry gives him his $1 as a sign of having completed his job, much like how Harry has to help Nicodemus be in possession of the Grail to complete his deal with Mab/Nicodemus.
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