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[[WMG: PAYDAY 3 will be set in AfterTheEnd FallenStatesOfAmerica and assaults isn't just the (militarized) police, but also leading gang members of large cartels and gangs that become essentially warlords with droves of gang members.members after the police run out of recruits and public trust hit rock bottom.]]
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Neil McCauley from ''Heat'' was known to work with a tight and well-trained crew. With the way the Payday gang works, it's not far out of the realm of possibility that McCauley trained or worked with some of the American members of the crew. The fact that some of them use the same "your money is insured/don't be a hero" speech indicates that they not only done the bank job before, but they may have gotten the speech from McCauley when working with him and have used it on their bank job scores ever since.
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Neil McCauley from ''Heat'' was known to work with a tight and well-trained crew. With the way the Payday gang works, it's not far out of the realm of possibility that McCauley trained or worked with some of the American members of the crew. The fact that some of them use the same "your money is insured/don't be a hero" speech indicates that they not only done the bank job before, but they may have gotten the speech from McCauley when working with him and have used it on their bank job scores ever since.since.
[[WMG: PAYDAY 3 will be set in AfterTheEnd FallenStatesOfAmerica and assaults isn't just the (militarized) police, but also leading gang members that become essentially warlords with droves of gang members.]]
As crime rate is rising in the United States, mainly the capital city itself, billions of money taken away, and countless numbers of cops have been killed up to and including forces from the DHS itself, what will everyone think the state of country is? There's also the possibility of nukes being used.
[[WMG: PAYDAY 3 will be set in AfterTheEnd FallenStatesOfAmerica and assaults isn't just the (militarized) police, but also leading gang members that become essentially warlords with droves of gang members.]]
As crime rate is rising in the United States, mainly the capital city itself, billions of money taken away, and countless numbers of cops have been killed up to and including forces from the DHS itself, what will everyone think the state of country is? There's also the possibility of nukes being used.
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And of course, it's unlikely that Locke or Jimmy would turn on the gang since both genuinely seem to care about the crew. As for the cryptic messages in Garrett's memos in the FBI Files... a BiggerBad that could control this group, perhaps? Locke also mentions in the Heat Street missions that "someone is out to destroy [the gang]". What would be an effective way to destroy Crimenet, especially from the inside out? [[EnemyCivilWar Turn all the contractors of Crimenet against each other.]]
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And of course, it's unlikely that Locke or Jimmy would turn on the gang since both genuinely seem to care about the crew. As for the cryptic messages in Garrett's memos in the FBI Files... a BiggerBad that could control this group, perhaps? Locke also mentions in the Heat Street missions that "someone is out to destroy [the gang]". What would be an effective way to destroy Crimenet, especially from the inside out? [[EnemyCivilWar Turn all the contractors of Crimenet against each other.]]]]
[[WMG: The characters were all trained by/worked with Neil McCauley.]]
Neil McCauley from ''Heat'' was known to work with a tight and well-trained crew. With the way the Payday gang works, it's not far out of the realm of possibility that McCauley trained or worked with some of the American members of the crew. The fact that some of them use the same "your money is insured/don't be a hero" speech indicates that they not only done the bank job before, but they may have gotten the speech from McCauley when working with him and have used it on their bank job scores ever since.
[[WMG: The characters were all trained by/worked with Neil McCauley.]]
Neil McCauley from ''Heat'' was known to work with a tight and well-trained crew. With the way the Payday gang works, it's not far out of the realm of possibility that McCauley trained or worked with some of the American members of the crew. The fact that some of them use the same "your money is insured/don't be a hero" speech indicates that they not only done the bank job before, but they may have gotten the speech from McCauley when working with him and have used it on their bank job scores ever since.
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* As of the Reservoir Dogs heist, this one is looking less plausible, [[spoiler: but not entirely inaccurate. Bains' gone missing, and it doesn't seem like its' the cops that have him.]]
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: Locke wasn't blackmailed into betraying the gang. His betrayal was staged by Bain and Locke in order to get the gang out of DC, while Bain looked into some private matters. During the Reservoir Dogs heist, Bain gets nabbed and Locke takes over as the gangs' coordinator, with his first item on the agenda being to find out whos' got Bain.]]
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: Locke wasn't blackmailed into betraying the gang. His betrayal was staged by Bain and Locke in order to get the gang out of DC, while Bain looked into some private matters. During the Reservoir Dogs heist, Bain gets nabbed and Locke takes over as the gangs' coordinator, with his first item on the agenda being to find out whos' got Bain.]]
!!The party behind [[spoiler: Bain's capture]] is [[EvilerThanThou most or all of the previous contractors working together]].
Well, sans [[ItWasHisSled Hector]], of course. Locke mentions that [[spoiler: "people Bain used to think could be trusted were listening"]]. Apart from the gang themselves, what known party is there that Bain would actively put trust in? The contractors; the partners of Crimenet. It's likely that they caught wind of what Bain was planning somehow and decided that they would try to pull the rug out from under his feet and take it for themselves, whether it be for a united cause (whatever ''that'' may be) or for their own individual gain. Thinking about it, most contractors have a reason for doing this:
* Vlad: He's [[AxCrazy nuts]] - Bain mentions it himself - and he's got the gang into some serious hot water in the past (from transporting '''nukes''' to sending the crew to an earthquake-ridden Los Angeles). It's clear that there's nothing he won't do if it will satisfy him/his agenda, and he could likely reach a threshold where he's willing to put the drop on the gang to get what he wants. Sure, he [[FauxAffablyEvil acts friendly enough with the gang despite his... ''unique'' sense of humour]], and at times he sounds quite clueless to what's going on. But Vlad, nutty as he is, might have been [[ObfuscatingStupidity playing up just ''how'' clueless he is to the situations at hand]].
* The Elephant: Given that he willingly set Bain up with a platform to spy on Garrett and pull a fast one on Mckendrick, the price would have to be really special in order to get him to turn his hand. Given his political connections, he could try to run for presidency (as suggested in an above WMG) and decide that now would be the perfect time to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness cut ties with the gang]].
* Gage: The FBI Files suggest that the FBI have been trying to get something out of Gage for some time regarding Bain and the crew. The fact that Bain has been located by anybody at all - something nobody has managed to do beforehand - suggests that perhaps he might have finally squealed to someone.
There are a few cases where it could go either way, similarly:
* The Butcher: Yes, she was part of the Alaskan Deal fiasco and she wants Locke dead for his treachery. But it's ambiguous whether or not she is aware of what Bain and Locke were planning. PoorCommunicationKills, maybe?
* The Dentist: A bit of an enigma, but the Dentist is a ''very'' powerful man of influence, and as such anyone who can get him on his side (or convince him to be on their side) is a dangerous foe. It's possible that the jobs he did were likely setting up for a greater scheme and to turn the tables on the gang.
* The Continental: Given [[spoiler: the ending of ''John Wick Chapter 2'', it's possible that the Continental will want at least Wick's head, and might just seek out the destruction of the PAYDAY Gang as a result of RevengeByProxy. But how willing they are to [[EnemyMine lend their muscle to the crew's enemies]] is unclear.]]
And of course, it's unlikely that Locke or Jimmy would turn on the gang since both genuinely seem to care about the crew. As for the cryptic messages in Garrett's memos in the FBI Files... a BiggerBad that could control this group, perhaps? Locke also mentions in the Heat Street missions that "someone is out to destroy [the gang]". What would be an effective way to destroy Crimenet, especially from the inside out? [[EnemyCivilWar Turn all the contractors of Crimenet against each other.]]
!!The party behind [[spoiler: Bain's capture]] is [[EvilerThanThou most or all of the previous contractors working together]].
Well, sans [[ItWasHisSled Hector]], of course. Locke mentions that [[spoiler: "people Bain used to think could be trusted were listening"]]. Apart from the gang themselves, what known party is there that Bain would actively put trust in? The contractors; the partners of Crimenet. It's likely that they caught wind of what Bain was planning somehow and decided that they would try to pull the rug out from under his feet and take it for themselves, whether it be for a united cause (whatever ''that'' may be) or for their own individual gain. Thinking about it, most contractors have a reason for doing this:
* Vlad: He's [[AxCrazy nuts]] - Bain mentions it himself - and he's got the gang into some serious hot water in the past (from transporting '''nukes''' to sending the crew to an earthquake-ridden Los Angeles). It's clear that there's nothing he won't do if it will satisfy him/his agenda, and he could likely reach a threshold where he's willing to put the drop on the gang to get what he wants. Sure, he [[FauxAffablyEvil acts friendly enough with the gang despite his... ''unique'' sense of humour]], and at times he sounds quite clueless to what's going on. But Vlad, nutty as he is, might have been [[ObfuscatingStupidity playing up just ''how'' clueless he is to the situations at hand]].
* The Elephant: Given that he willingly set Bain up with a platform to spy on Garrett and pull a fast one on Mckendrick, the price would have to be really special in order to get him to turn his hand. Given his political connections, he could try to run for presidency (as suggested in an above WMG) and decide that now would be the perfect time to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness cut ties with the gang]].
* Gage: The FBI Files suggest that the FBI have been trying to get something out of Gage for some time regarding Bain and the crew. The fact that Bain has been located by anybody at all - something nobody has managed to do beforehand - suggests that perhaps he might have finally squealed to someone.
There are a few cases where it could go either way, similarly:
* The Butcher: Yes, she was part of the Alaskan Deal fiasco and she wants Locke dead for his treachery. But it's ambiguous whether or not she is aware of what Bain and Locke were planning. PoorCommunicationKills, maybe?
* The Dentist: A bit of an enigma, but the Dentist is a ''very'' powerful man of influence, and as such anyone who can get him on his side (or convince him to be on their side) is a dangerous foe. It's possible that the jobs he did were likely setting up for a greater scheme and to turn the tables on the gang.
* The Continental: Given [[spoiler: the ending of ''John Wick Chapter 2'', it's possible that the Continental will want at least Wick's head, and might just seek out the destruction of the PAYDAY Gang as a result of RevengeByProxy. But how willing they are to [[EnemyMine lend their muscle to the crew's enemies]] is unclear.]]
And of course, it's unlikely that Locke or Jimmy would turn on the gang since both genuinely seem to care about the crew. As for the cryptic messages in Garrett's memos in the FBI Files... a BiggerBad that could control this group, perhaps? Locke also mentions in the Heat Street missions that "someone is out to destroy [the gang]". What would be an effective way to destroy Crimenet, especially from the inside out? [[EnemyCivilWar Turn all the contractors of Crimenet against each other.]]
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!!The group that captured Bain is the same group that Locke told us about in the Heat Street heist.
Given that Locke said that someone is "out to destroy the PAYDAY gang", it seems pretty clear that taking out Bain is a good first step to destroying Crime.net.
And speaking of the group...
!!This group is comprised of former criminals and associates of the PAYDAY gang.
All of the gang's enemies, past and present, will be involved. The Garnet family, Bob [=McKendrick=], the Mendoza cartel, Winters and Garrett, the remnants of the Russian mafia, Akan's forces, Murkywater, [=GenSec=]… everyone that the gang has pissed off, will pitch in to fund and train a crew of PAYDAY gang-killers. These guys are the same ones that featured in the PAYDAY 2: Crime War trailer.
Given that Locke said that someone is "out to destroy the PAYDAY gang", it seems pretty clear that taking out Bain is a good first step to destroying Crime.net.
And speaking of the group...
!!This group is comprised of former criminals and associates of the PAYDAY gang.
All of the gang's enemies, past and present, will be involved. The Garnet family, Bob [=McKendrick=], the Mendoza cartel, Winters and Garrett, the remnants of the Russian mafia, Akan's forces, Murkywater, [=GenSec=]… everyone that the gang has pissed off, will pitch in to fund and train a crew of PAYDAY gang-killers. These guys are the same ones that featured in the PAYDAY 2: Crime War trailer.
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* It depends on what the heist on Day 9 will be covering (if it's even a direct continuation from the Alaskan Deal mission to begin with). Bearing in mind that Bain mentions after the heist that [[spoiler: "Locke will be running from more than just us", which suggests that he probably won't be able to pull Crime.net's plug right away with the Payday Gang, the Butcher and Murkywater all after his head (and that would provide an interesting set-up for a TimedMission scenario in a heist against him). To say nothing of the fact that Locke can be as much of a WildCard as Vlad, so right now it's hard to tell if he's doing it of his own volition or if the ones he sold the gang and the Butcher out to have a metaphorical gun to Locke's head.]]
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* It depends on what the heist on Day 9 will be covering (if it's even a direct continuation from the Alaskan Deal mission to begin with). Bearing in mind that Bain mentions after the heist that [[spoiler: "Locke will be running from more than just us", which suggests that he probably won't be able to pull Crime.net's plug right away with the Payday Gang, the Butcher and Murkywater all after his head (and that would provide an interesting set-up for a TimedMission scenario in a heist against him). To say nothing of the fact that Locke can be as much of a WildCard as Vlad, so right now it's hard to tell if he's doing it of his own volition or if the ones he sold the gang and the Butcher out to have a metaphorical gun to Locke's head.]]
* Jossed. [[spoiler: Locke wasn't blackmailed into betraying the gang. His betrayal was staged by Bain and Locke in order to get the gang out of DC, while Bain looked into some private matters. During the Reservoir Dogs heist, Bain gets nabbed and Locke takes over as the gangs' coordinator, with his first item on the agenda being to find out whos' got Bain.]]
* Jossed. [[spoiler: Locke wasn't blackmailed into betraying the gang. His betrayal was staged by Bain and Locke in order to get the gang out of DC, while Bain looked into some private matters. During the Reservoir Dogs heist, Bain gets nabbed and Locke takes over as the gangs' coordinator, with his first item on the agenda being to find out whos' got Bain.]]
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* It depends on what the heist on Day 9 will be covering (if it's even a direct continuation from the Alaskan Deal mission to begin with). Bearing in mind that Bain mentions after the heist that [[spoiler: "Locke will be running from more than just us", which suggests that he probably won't be able to pull Crime.net's plug right away with the Payday Gang, the Butcher and Murkywater all after his head (and that would provide an interesting set-up for a RaceAgainstTheClock TimedMission scenario in a heist against him). To say nothing of the fact that Locke can be as much of a WildCard as Vlad, so right now it's hard to tell if he's doing it of his own volition or if the ones he sold the gang and the Butcher out to have a metaphorical gun to Locke's head.]]
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** [[spoiler: Even after the heist, Crime.net is still active. Locke introduced himself to the gang via. a message he slipped ''into'' Crime.net, and it stated that he had a killswitch to Crime.net as well. After betraying the gang and their subsequent escape, if Locke really wanted the gang gone (or wished to evade them), the first thing he'd do is knock out their organizational network to cripple them. Granted, this might be a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation, but it still doesn't make sense.]]
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** [[spoiler: Even after the heist, Crime.net is still active. Locke introduced himself to the gang via. a message he slipped ''into'' Crime.net, and it stated that he had a killswitch to Crime.net as well. After betraying the gang and their subsequent escape, if Locke really wanted the gang gone (or wished to evade them), the first thing he'd do is knock out their organizational network to cripple them. Granted, this might be a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation, but it still doesn't make sense.]]
* It depends on what the heist on Day 9 will be covering (if it's even a direct continuation from the Alaskan Deal mission to begin with). Bearing in mind that Bain mentions after the heist that [[spoiler: "Locke will be running from more than just us", which suggests that he probably won't be able to pull Crime.net's plug right away with the Payday Gang, the Butcher and Murkywater all after his head (and that would provide an interesting set-up for a RaceAgainstTheClock scenario in a heist against him). To say nothing of the fact that Locke can be as much of a WildCard as Vlad, so right now it's hard to tell if he's doing it of his own volition or if the ones he sold the gang and the Butcher out to have a metaphorical gun to Locke's head.]]
* It depends on what the heist on Day 9 will be covering (if it's even a direct continuation from the Alaskan Deal mission to begin with). Bearing in mind that Bain mentions after the heist that [[spoiler: "Locke will be running from more than just us", which suggests that he probably won't be able to pull Crime.net's plug right away with the Payday Gang, the Butcher and Murkywater all after his head (and that would provide an interesting set-up for a RaceAgainstTheClock scenario in a heist against him). To say nothing of the fact that Locke can be as much of a WildCard as Vlad, so right now it's hard to tell if he's doing it of his own volition or if the ones he sold the gang and the Butcher out to have a metaphorical gun to Locke's head.]]
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With him [[spoiler: ditching the Payday Gang]] and the Kento story arc still yet to be resolved, it'd be an interesting way to wrap it up if it was him who was the mastermind behind it the whole time. What Locke said in the intro/flavour text for Heat Street might have been MetaphoricallyTrue; there ''was'' someone who was out to destroy the gang, he just didn't say that [[spoiler: said someone was Locke himself. Hell, Locke might have been bluffing about the whole meeting being with someone intending to destroy the gang and the meeting may have actually been something that would have blown open Locke's secrets, hence why Locke would want the gang to stop them]]. And besides, none of the other contractors or anyone the gang knows have any obvious reason to be the ones responsible for Kento's disappearance.
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!![[spoiler:Locke]] was blackmailed.
* Spoilers for Alaskan Deal ahead. [[spoiler: Yes, Locke did indeed betray both the Butcher and the PAYDAY gang, but think back. Just before the train doors are breached in the heist, Locke says "I was made an offer I couldn't say no to." This could mean that he had no intention of betraying the gang, but someone else forced his hand.]] There are factors in the heist and its' supplemental material that support this theory, as well:
** [[spoiler: When the gang are rooting around in the shipment (as depicted in the Locke and Load website comic), Locke has no objections. Surely, if you're conducting an arms deal, the last thing you'd want to do is let the muscle use and/or keep the merchandise?]]
** [[spoiler: During the heist itself, you go up against regular cops. Not Murkywater, just cops. Surely, if Locke was trying to sell you out, wouldn't it make more sense to do so to his own employer? Or, if he did want to betray them, he'd have told both the cops ''and'' Murkywater, so as to increase the size of the force being mobilized against the gang.]]
** [[spoiler: Even after the heist, Crime.net is still active. Locke introduced himself to the gang via. a message he slipped ''into'' Crime.net, and it stated that he had a killswitch to Crime.net as well. After betraying the gang and their subsequent escape, if Locke really wanted the gang gone (or wished to evade them), the first thing he'd do is knock out their organizational network to cripple them. Granted, this might be a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation, but it still doesn't make sense.]]
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With him [[spoiler: ditching the Payday Gang]] and the Kento story arc still yet to be resolved, it'd be an interesting way to wrap it up if it was him who was the mastermind behind it the whole time. What Locke said in the intro/flavour text for Heat Street might have been MetaphoricallyTrue; there ''was'' someone who was out to destroy the gang, he just didn't say that [[spoiler: said someone was Locke himself]]. Hell, Locke might have been bluffing about the whole meeting being with someone intending to destroy the gang and the meeting may have actually been something that would have blown open Locke's secrets, hence why Locke would want the gang to stop them. And besides, none of the other contractors or anyone the gang knows have any obvious reason to be the ones responsible for Kento's disappearance.
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With him [[spoiler: ditching the Payday Gang]] and the Kento story arc still yet to be resolved, it'd be an interesting way to wrap it up if it was him who was the mastermind behind it the whole time. What Locke said in the intro/flavour text for Heat Street might have been MetaphoricallyTrue; there ''was'' someone who was out to destroy the gang, he just didn't say that [[spoiler: said someone was Locke himself]]. himself. Hell, Locke might have been bluffing about the whole meeting being with someone intending to destroy the gang and the meeting may have actually been something that would have blown open Locke's secrets, hence why Locke would want the gang to stop them.them]]. And besides, none of the other contractors or anyone the gang knows have any obvious reason to be the ones responsible for Kento's disappearance.
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!!Locke is the one who kidnapped Kento.
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!!Locke is the one who kidnapped Kento.
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!!Locke is the one who kidnapped Kento.
It's unlikely that the final Classic heist, the Diamond Heist from the [[VideoGame/PAYDAYTheHeist first game]], would have any semblance of a relation on Kento's whereabouts ([[FridgeLogic why would Garnet Group know or want to know anything on the matter, anyway?]]). However, Locke being the one responsible might make a bit of sense considering the following:
* He was part of the Heat Street mission which involved getting Matt Roscoe so he could give up info on Kento's whereabouts (this being the only Classic mission where someone other than Bain co-ordinates the whole thing, so he's relevant in some fashion); so far nothing has come of it. Yet.
* His [[spoiler: backstabbing of the crew in Alaskan Deal, revealing he was EvilAllAlong - or at least, not on the side of the Payday Gang anymore]].
** Leading from the above, the Prison Nightmare quote that may get heard occasionally: [[spoiler: "You got Hector, but someone else is lying to you" might have been alluding to Locke; the possibility of it alluding to someone like Bain, for example, may just have been a RedHerring]].
With him [[spoiler: ditching the Payday Gang]] and the Kento story arc still yet to be resolved, it'd be an interesting way to wrap it up if it was him who was the mastermind behind it the whole time. What Locke said in the intro/flavour text for Heat Street might have been MetaphoricallyTrue; there ''was'' someone who was out to destroy the gang, he just didn't say that [[spoiler: said someone was Locke himself]]. Hell, Locke might have been bluffing about the whole meeting being with someone intending to destroy the gang and the meeting may have actually been something that would have blown open Locke's secrets, hence why Locke would want the gang to stop them. And besides, none of the other contractors or anyone the gang knows have any obvious reason to be the ones responsible for Kento's disappearance.
!!Locke is the one who kidnapped Kento.
It's unlikely that the final Classic heist, the Diamond Heist from the [[VideoGame/PAYDAYTheHeist first game]], would have any semblance of a relation on Kento's whereabouts ([[FridgeLogic why would Garnet Group know or want to know anything on the matter, anyway?]]). However, Locke being the one responsible might make a bit of sense considering the following:
* He was part of the Heat Street mission which involved getting Matt Roscoe so he could give up info on Kento's whereabouts (this being the only Classic mission where someone other than Bain co-ordinates the whole thing, so he's relevant in some fashion); so far nothing has come of it. Yet.
* His [[spoiler: backstabbing of the crew in Alaskan Deal, revealing he was EvilAllAlong - or at least, not on the side of the Payday Gang anymore]].
** Leading from the above, the Prison Nightmare quote that may get heard occasionally: [[spoiler: "You got Hector, but someone else is lying to you" might have been alluding to Locke; the possibility of it alluding to someone like Bain, for example, may just have been a RedHerring]].
With him [[spoiler: ditching the Payday Gang]] and the Kento story arc still yet to be resolved, it'd be an interesting way to wrap it up if it was him who was the mastermind behind it the whole time. What Locke said in the intro/flavour text for Heat Street might have been MetaphoricallyTrue; there ''was'' someone who was out to destroy the gang, he just didn't say that [[spoiler: said someone was Locke himself]]. Hell, Locke might have been bluffing about the whole meeting being with someone intending to destroy the gang and the meeting may have actually been something that would have blown open Locke's secrets, hence why Locke would want the gang to stop them. And besides, none of the other contractors or anyone the gang knows have any obvious reason to be the ones responsible for Kento's disappearance.
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!!Locke is not a traitor.
[[spoiler:With the Alaskan Deal heist ending with him being marked for death by both the PAYDAY gang and the Butcher, my guess is that he did it only to try and draw out the organization that wanted to destroy the PAYDAY gang, mentioned back in Heat Street. With Locke knowing of their existence, maybe he turned traitor so that he could be a DoubleAgent.]]
[[spoiler:With the Alaskan Deal heist ending with him being marked for death by both the PAYDAY gang and the Butcher, my guess is that he did it only to try and draw out the organization that wanted to destroy the PAYDAY gang, mentioned back in Heat Street. With Locke knowing of their existence, maybe he turned traitor so that he could be a DoubleAgent.]]
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* Bain: TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In this heist, the crew will pursue Captain Winters, who has had a HeroicBSOD from all the lives that have been claimed, and will become the FinalBoss of the game. He will hide out in a hidden location, and have his own elite team to protect him. Of course, he will not flee this time, but will have more health than anyone else in the entire game. He will also have trained a group of Medics as his shield units, to increase his survivability.
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* Bain: TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In this heist, the crew will pursue Captain Winters, who has had a HeroicBSOD from all the lives that have been claimed, and will become the FinalBoss of the game. He will hide out in a hidden location, and have his own elite team to protect him. Of course, he will not flee this time, but will have more health than anyone else in the entire game. He will also have trained a group of Medics as his shield units, to increase his survivability.survivability.
!!Payday 3 Cast
Given that when a new game comes out, having some-20 available heisters out of the gate would be too overwhelming--and it'll be difficult to have that many voice actors, not to mention some of their plots may be resolved. Thus, they Payday Gang may break up a little by this time, with few members remaining.
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**Dallas - The Mastermind and, of course, being the face of the franchise
**Chains - The Enforcer still
**Hoxton - The Fugitive and still provides intel he's gained from FBI files
**Houston - Takes Wolf's place as the Technician, given that he works on the gadgets almost as much as him as well as the vehicles
**Clover - Takes Houston's place as the Ghost being the team's resident burglar
**John Wick - with him blacklisted by the Continental, the Payday Gang is the only group he has left
**Sydney - she joined for the fun and probably has no reason to leave
**Dragan - may double as a contractor given his plot doesn't seem to be over
**Sangres - he hasn't been around for long enough but probably wants to make up for all the fun he's probably missed
*New Heisters
**Ilija - The Sniper, with his own associated Perk Deck. Having proven himself so many times, he deserves a place in the official team
**Kento - The Runaway, finally found and grateful, he joins the team
**Bobblehead Bob - The Survivor, given all the abuse he's lived through and that he's probably developed Stockholm Syndrome
*Leaving/Dead Heisters
**Jacket - Dead due to too many enemies catching up to him--or renouncing the Jacket name to return to a normal life whether or not he really was him or a Fan
**Bonnie - returns to a life of gambling
**Sokol - realizes he misses hockey too much and comes back
**Bodhi - Reestablishes the Ex-Presidents and may return as a Contractor
**Jimmy - super dead with his true body having been killed during Hardcore Henry
**Rust - forms another biker gang and may return as a Contractor
**Scarface - moves into the Scarface Manor
*Returning (as) Contractors
**Bain - just as with Dallas, it won't be Payday without him
**Wolf - given that Ulf is not going to be involved yet remains as a consultant, he may still have some involvement in the new game
**Jiro - now too old for the heavy lifting, and with his son taking his place, he instead performs tasks or gathers intel, both Yakuza-related and not
**Dragan - he may have some Interpol related heists
**Any heisters who have left and are still alive but wind up in trouble
**Aldstone - for some crazy fetch quests on par with Vlad relating to history
**Vlad - too much fun and crazy heists
**The Dentist - for the deeper and more serious heists
**Gage and the Butcher - arms dealing-related heists
*Non-returning Contractors
**Hector - we already killed him
**The Elephant - Might be eliminated himself by his rivals
**Locke - may betray the gang
*Special Enemies
**Captain Winters is still around, and more dangerous than ever
** A Cloaker that makes no sound and can chain-takedown up to three Heisters
** A Taser/Medic that can use their special ability on three units at once
!!Payday 3 Cast
Given that when a new game comes out, having some-20 available heisters out of the gate would be too overwhelming--and it'll be difficult to have that many voice actors, not to mention some of their plots may be resolved. Thus, they Payday Gang may break up a little by this time, with few members remaining.
*Returning Heisters
**Dallas - The Mastermind and, of course, being the face of the franchise
**Chains - The Enforcer still
**Hoxton - The Fugitive and still provides intel he's gained from FBI files
**Houston - Takes Wolf's place as the Technician, given that he works on the gadgets almost as much as him as well as the vehicles
**Clover - Takes Houston's place as the Ghost being the team's resident burglar
**John Wick - with him blacklisted by the Continental, the Payday Gang is the only group he has left
**Sydney - she joined for the fun and probably has no reason to leave
**Dragan - may double as a contractor given his plot doesn't seem to be over
**Sangres - he hasn't been around for long enough but probably wants to make up for all the fun he's probably missed
*New Heisters
**Ilija - The Sniper, with his own associated Perk Deck. Having proven himself so many times, he deserves a place in the official team
**Kento - The Runaway, finally found and grateful, he joins the team
**Bobblehead Bob - The Survivor, given all the abuse he's lived through and that he's probably developed Stockholm Syndrome
*Leaving/Dead Heisters
**Jacket - Dead due to too many enemies catching up to him--or renouncing the Jacket name to return to a normal life whether or not he really was him or a Fan
**Bonnie - returns to a life of gambling
**Sokol - realizes he misses hockey too much and comes back
**Bodhi - Reestablishes the Ex-Presidents and may return as a Contractor
**Jimmy - super dead with his true body having been killed during Hardcore Henry
**Rust - forms another biker gang and may return as a Contractor
**Scarface - moves into the Scarface Manor
*Returning (as) Contractors
**Bain - just as with Dallas, it won't be Payday without him
**Wolf - given that Ulf is not going to be involved yet remains as a consultant, he may still have some involvement in the new game
**Jiro - now too old for the heavy lifting, and with his son taking his place, he instead performs tasks or gathers intel, both Yakuza-related and not
**Dragan - he may have some Interpol related heists
**Any heisters who have left and are still alive but wind up in trouble
**Aldstone - for some crazy fetch quests on par with Vlad relating to history
**Vlad - too much fun and crazy heists
**The Dentist - for the deeper and more serious heists
**Gage and the Butcher - arms dealing-related heists
*Non-returning Contractors
**Hector - we already killed him
**The Elephant - Might be eliminated himself by his rivals
**Locke - may betray the gang
*Special Enemies
**Captain Winters is still around, and more dangerous than ever
** A Cloaker that makes no sound and can chain-takedown up to three Heisters
** A Taser/Medic that can use their special ability on three units at once
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Based on the comment he may make in Birth of Sky: "Good things come in threes. Like that week all my wives died." Must've been a HenpeckedHusband if this kind of thing satisfied him.
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Based on the comment he may make in Birth of Sky: "Good things come in threes. Like that week all my wives died." Must've been a HenpeckedHusband if this kind of thing satisfied him.him.
!!There will be a series of GrandFinale heists
This set of heists will be the final update to the game, when that comes around. They will involve settling unfinished business somehow related to each contractor. Each heist would be linked to a contractor, and require a player to finish all their heists to unlock it, except for Bain's, which will also require all other finales to be complete. For some ideas.
* Vlad: A crazed scheme that will somehow involve the nukes from Meltdown. Maybe the crew will have to protect them from being set off by a group of corrupt cops.
* Hector: Considering his [[KilledOffForReal current state]], his finale will probably be related to what was left behind by his death. Perhaps the remnants of his cartel will try and get revenge.
* The Elephant: Considering his actions, it wouldn't be surprising if he wanted to become president. The heist will have the crew eliminate a NoCelebritiesWereHarmed version of Trump, in order to open a path for The Elephant to step in.
* Locke: Stop him from taking down Crime.Net in some manner. Most likely by killing him and destroying his data, as an above WMG suggests.
* Classics: The first game's Diamond Heist. In said heist, the security was provided by Murkywater. This time, they'd be more involved, perhaps with Locke being involved, depending on when this heist takes place.
* The Butcher: She will require the crew to steal something especially dangerous, maybe more nukes.
* Jimmy: The crew will have to battle Akan in some manner, in order to ensure his plans are stopped once and for all.
* The Dentist: His loot will be revealed, and it will play an integral part in a grand plan to take out Commisioner Garret.
* Bain: TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In this heist, the crew will pursue Captain Winters, who has had a HeroicBSOD from all the lives that have been claimed, and will become the FinalBoss of the game. He will hide out in a hidden location, and have his own elite team to protect him. Of course, he will not flee this time, but will have more health than anyone else in the entire game. He will also have trained a group of Medics as his shield units, to increase his survivability.
!!There will be a series of GrandFinale heists
This set of heists will be the final update to the game, when that comes around. They will involve settling unfinished business somehow related to each contractor. Each heist would be linked to a contractor, and require a player to finish all their heists to unlock it, except for Bain's, which will also require all other finales to be complete. For some ideas.
* Vlad: A crazed scheme that will somehow involve the nukes from Meltdown. Maybe the crew will have to protect them from being set off by a group of corrupt cops.
* Hector: Considering his [[KilledOffForReal current state]], his finale will probably be related to what was left behind by his death. Perhaps the remnants of his cartel will try and get revenge.
* The Elephant: Considering his actions, it wouldn't be surprising if he wanted to become president. The heist will have the crew eliminate a NoCelebritiesWereHarmed version of Trump, in order to open a path for The Elephant to step in.
* Locke: Stop him from taking down Crime.Net in some manner. Most likely by killing him and destroying his data, as an above WMG suggests.
* Classics: The first game's Diamond Heist. In said heist, the security was provided by Murkywater. This time, they'd be more involved, perhaps with Locke being involved, depending on when this heist takes place.
* The Butcher: She will require the crew to steal something especially dangerous, maybe more nukes.
* Jimmy: The crew will have to battle Akan in some manner, in order to ensure his plans are stopped once and for all.
* The Dentist: His loot will be revealed, and it will play an integral part in a grand plan to take out Commisioner Garret.
* Bain: TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In this heist, the crew will pursue Captain Winters, who has had a HeroicBSOD from all the lives that have been claimed, and will become the FinalBoss of the game. He will hide out in a hidden location, and have his own elite team to protect him. Of course, he will not flee this time, but will have more health than anyone else in the entire game. He will also have trained a group of Medics as his shield units, to increase his survivability.
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This also explains why the Safe House Raid is listed as a mission under Hoxton's name, despite not being a contractor - because the raid countermeasures came from him, seeing as how it was his idea to move to the new locale in the first place.
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This also explains why the Safe House Raid is listed as a mission under Hoxton's name, despite not being a contractor - because the raid countermeasures came from him, seeing as how it was his idea to move to the new locale in the first place.place.
!!Locke was in a MarryThemAll situation at some point.
Based on the comment he may make in Birth of Sky: "Good things come in threes. Like that week all my wives died." Must've been a HenpeckedHusband if this kind of thing satisfied him.
!!Locke was in a MarryThemAll situation at some point.
Based on the comment he may make in Birth of Sky: "Good things come in threes. Like that week all my wives died." Must've been a HenpeckedHusband if this kind of thing satisfied him.
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As much work as the crew does, Bain is the real heart of Crime.net, the system through which the crew meets their contacts and gets their jobs. Bain's arrest would leave the crew in a bad state, unable to get the sort of jobs they're used to, and would result in many members of the gang eventually going their own separate ways (giving a good plot reason for why a sequel may not have all the heisters returning from Payday 2). This could mean that either someone else steps up to take Bain's role (likely Dallas, but perhaps Hoxton or Vlad) or that the very first heist of Payday 3 is breaking Bain out of custody by either crashing his trial or breaking into prison. Subsequent heists would start small, building Crime.net or its replacement back up, then get larger and larger as the crew gets more and more contacts again (and the developers get more comfortable creating bigger heists on a new engine).
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As much work as the crew does, Bain is the real heart of Crime.net, the system through which the crew meets their contacts and gets their jobs. Bain's arrest would leave the crew in a bad state, unable to get the sort of jobs they're used to, and would result in many members of the gang eventually going their own separate ways (giving a good plot reason for why a sequel may not have all the heisters returning from Payday 2). This could mean that either someone else steps up to take Bain's role (likely Dallas, but perhaps Hoxton or Vlad) or that the very first heist of Payday 3 is breaking Bain out of custody by either crashing his trial or breaking into prison. Subsequent heists would start small, building Crime.net or its replacement back up, then get larger and larger as the crew gets more and more contacts again (and the developers get more comfortable creating bigger heists on a new engine).engine).
!!The Safe House Raids are a BatmanGambit on Hoxton's part.
Going off of the above Housewarming Party theory, Hoxton not only called the cops on us for the initial attempt, but developed an entire plan around just such an eventuality - just in case the cops ever got suspicious again after the first time. If he suspects that the cops are approaching the Safe House and are about to storm the place, then he simply just informs Bain to alert the crew, has Aldstone go into the lower levels and just locks off the area connecting the main floor to the basement so that the cops can't raid the vault. And then asskicking ensues. For the first attempt, he simply left an anonymous tip to the police that suggested the Payday Gang's whereabouts, with Hoxton counting on the police to take the bait, which they did.
This also explains why the Safe House Raid is listed as a mission under Hoxton's name, despite not being a contractor - because the raid countermeasures came from him, seeing as how it was his idea to move to the new locale in the first place.
!!The Safe House Raids are a BatmanGambit on Hoxton's part.
Going off of the above Housewarming Party theory, Hoxton not only called the cops on us for the initial attempt, but developed an entire plan around just such an eventuality - just in case the cops ever got suspicious again after the first time. If he suspects that the cops are approaching the Safe House and are about to storm the place, then he simply just informs Bain to alert the crew, has Aldstone go into the lower levels and just locks off the area connecting the main floor to the basement so that the cops can't raid the vault. And then asskicking ensues. For the first attempt, he simply left an anonymous tip to the police that suggested the Payday Gang's whereabouts, with Hoxton counting on the police to take the bait, which they did.
This also explains why the Safe House Raid is listed as a mission under Hoxton's name, despite not being a contractor - because the raid countermeasures came from him, seeing as how it was his idea to move to the new locale in the first place.
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** Seconded. Auties tend to be painfully straightforward, even naïve, and tend to see situations in black-and-white. Deception isn't in their nature. I watched the entire web series and the Dentist trailer, paying particular attention to Dallas, and saw no sign of any of the personality or behavior markers I would recognize in an autistic person. "Not the social type" can mean a lot of things; in Auties it's typically a very withdrawn behaviour, not meeting eyes, and appearing to be in a world of their own. On the other hand, many Auties can be very friendly and outgoing. (For the record, my 21yo daughter is autistic; while I wouldn't claim to be an expert, I've had quite a lot of exposure to the condition.) Dallas showed none of that. I would say that Dallas is definitely not autistic. [[note]]For a good example of typical autistic behaviors, consider watching Alphas and paying attention to Gary Bell.[[/note]]
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* It's all but confirmed that Hotline Miami is an in universe game as one of the safehouse upgrade for Jacket's room includes an arcade machine (possibly custom-made) of Hotline Miami.
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** All but confirmed with "Boiling Point", provided it's canon. Most likely they've been working with [[Film/HardcoreHenry Akan]] in some way, but the Crew in that job steals the DNA for Akan's clones. From the looks of it, the two are in the same universe.
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During the Hoxton Housewarming Update, the cops were apparently tipped off about shenanigans at the new Safehouse, prompting an attempted raid. Who ratted us out this time? Bile? Vlad? Nah, it was Hoxton. In the leadup to the update itself, Hoxton wrote the invitations to the party and commented with a laugh that he "might as well invite the fucking cops" as well. Given his increasing agitation at things like the mob mocking the food at the party and Houston having a giggle behind his back, it's entirely possible he decided he needed to let off some steam... and LITERALLY "invited the cops" with an anonymous tip, casually confident that the assembled crew could easily fend off a handful of pigs expecting a drug den and really looking forward to popping some helmets.
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During the Hoxton Housewarming Update, the cops were apparently tipped off about shenanigans at the new Safehouse, prompting an attempted raid. Who ratted us out this time? Bile? Vlad? Nah, it was Hoxton. In the leadup to the update itself, Hoxton wrote the invitations to the party and commented with a laugh that he "might as well invite the fucking cops" as well. Given his increasing agitation at things like the mob mocking the food at the party and Houston having a giggle behind his back, it's entirely possible he decided he needed to let off some steam... and LITERALLY "invited the cops" with an anonymous tip, casually confident that the assembled crew could easily fend off a handful of pigs expecting a drug den and really looking forward to popping some helmets.helmets.
!!Payday 2's story will end with Bain getting arrested, not the crew.
As much work as the crew does, Bain is the real heart of Crime.net, the system through which the crew meets their contacts and gets their jobs. Bain's arrest would leave the crew in a bad state, unable to get the sort of jobs they're used to, and would result in many members of the gang eventually going their own separate ways (giving a good plot reason for why a sequel may not have all the heisters returning from Payday 2). This could mean that either someone else steps up to take Bain's role (likely Dallas, but perhaps Hoxton or Vlad) or that the very first heist of Payday 3 is breaking Bain out of custody by either crashing his trial or breaking into prison. Subsequent heists would start small, building Crime.net or its replacement back up, then get larger and larger as the crew gets more and more contacts again (and the developers get more comfortable creating bigger heists on a new engine).
!!Payday 2's story will end with Bain getting arrested, not the crew.
As much work as the crew does, Bain is the real heart of Crime.net, the system through which the crew meets their contacts and gets their jobs. Bain's arrest would leave the crew in a bad state, unable to get the sort of jobs they're used to, and would result in many members of the gang eventually going their own separate ways (giving a good plot reason for why a sequel may not have all the heisters returning from Payday 2). This could mean that either someone else steps up to take Bain's role (likely Dallas, but perhaps Hoxton or Vlad) or that the very first heist of Payday 3 is breaking Bain out of custody by either crashing his trial or breaking into prison. Subsequent heists would start small, building Crime.net or its replacement back up, then get larger and larger as the crew gets more and more contacts again (and the developers get more comfortable creating bigger heists on a new engine).
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*** This could also explain the [[CowboyCop Cowboy Cop]] tendencies of a lot of the MPD Officers, they could be trying to prove that they are just as good as the cloned officers.
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*** The FBI Files actually say that a lot of security guards in the game are ex-MPD. It would explain why the guards seem to not notice so many things that are obviously wrong. They may have been replaced with clones and now, the simply don't care anymore or may want the police to look very incompetent as revenge for having them replaced.
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** The FBI Files could be interpreted as also backing this up. Commissioner Garrett specifically points out how they have 'plenty' of SWAT personnel, when the vast majority of a Police Dept. would be made up of Police Officers and Detectives, not SWAT Officers. And he also says that the Yellow SWATs are being lost to poor decisions at the command level. As there must still be some human police officers and detectives, as evidenced by there still being a Commissioner, it makes sense that they would be lost to poor command if they are being treated as if they are property and not people.
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***Although it could still work; The 'Generic' part of Generic Security could refer to how all the officers are generic.
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Just jossing part of a conspiracy theory, don't mind me.
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** This part's Jossed. GenSec used to be called "'''Gen'''eric '''Sec'''urity" before having the name shortened.
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** This seems the most likely. Given we have heists that take place in Pensacola (Counterfeit), Los Angeles (Aftershock), and Russia (Boiling Point), all three of these would offer Bain a chance to comment on the events of Hotline Miami were they true in the Payday universe. Additionally, one of Jacket's nightmare lines from Prison Nightmare strongly implies he's not the real Jacket. Hotline!Jacket is also almost bleach-blonde while Payday!Jacket has more brownish-blonde hair.
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!!During the Hoxton Housewarming Update, the cops were apparently tipped off about shenanigans at the new Safehouse, prompting an attempted raid. Who ratted us out this time? Bile? Vlad? Nah, it was Hoxton. In the leadup to the update itself, Hoxton wrote the invitations to the party and commented with a laugh that he "might as well invite the fucking cops" as well. Given his increasing agitation at things like the mob mocking the food at the party and Houston having a giggle behind his back, it's entirely possible he decided he needed to let off some steam... and LITERALLY "invited the cops" with an anonymous tip, casually confident that the assembled crew could easily fend off a handful of pigs expecting a drug den and really looking forward to popping some helmets.
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During the Hoxton Housewarming Update, the cops were apparently tipped off about shenanigans at the new Safehouse, prompting an attempted raid. Who ratted us out this time? Bile? Vlad? Nah, it was Hoxton. In the leadup to the update itself, Hoxton wrote the invitations to the party and commented with a laugh that he "might as well invite the fucking cops" as well. Given his increasing agitation at things like the mob mocking the food at the party and Houston having a giggle behind his back, it's entirely possible he decided he needed to let off some steam... and LITERALLY "invited the cops" with an anonymous tip, casually confident that the assembled crew could easily fend off a handful of pigs expecting a drug den and really looking forward to popping some helmets.
