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[[WMG: Sanji will fight ''Niji'' over Nami]]
There's a WMG around here saying that he'll fight Yonji over Nami... but I think he'll actually end up fighting Niji instead. Even if Sanji now doesn't want to let his brothers die, Niji will more than likely- ''really'' more than likely- try to get all... touchy-feely with Nami and Sanji won't stand for it.
* Jossed, Niji and Sanji actually end up working together vs. Big Mom.
There's a WMG around here saying that he'll fight Yonji over Nami... but I think he'll actually end up fighting Niji instead. Even if Sanji now doesn't want to let his brothers die, Niji will more than likely- ''really'' more than likely- try to get all... touchy-feely with Nami and Sanji won't stand for it.
* Jossed, Niji and Sanji actually end up working together vs. Big Mom.
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** Completely Jossed. [[spoiler: Pedro is confirmed to be dead.]]
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** Both are Jossed now as his Zoan Fruit is that of an Eastern Dragon.Dragon.
[[WMG: Judge and Linlin will kill one another.]]
One will die first, and the other will die of injuries sustained in the fight.
* I doubt it, Oda doesn't usually do deaths in the present with the exceptions of the paramount war that killed Ace and Whitebeard and the Punk Hazard event that killed Monet and Vergo.
* Looking doubtful. Big Mom just one-shotted Judge in their first confrontation without getting a scratch.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will be blacklisted from the Charlotte Family like Lola]]
Pudding is going to be the next Charlotte Family outcast. Considering how much Big Mom hates Lola for messing up her plans, it's not hard to see her doing the same to Pudding now. Of course, her being a three-eye and Big Mom's key to Raftel still makes her valuable, but Big Mom's proven before that her rage can easily overshadow her reason.
* Jossed, the Big Mom Pirates end the arc believing that Pudding and Chiffon alone baked the cake; none of them know Pudding helped the Straw Hats.
[[WMG: The Assassination plan will go off without a hitch...]]
But the moment Big Mom dies, her devil fruit powers will hit the off-switch, meaning that the life-force of ''all'' of her homies will return to their rightful original owners...including Prometheus, Zeus and Napoleon, which have been specifically mentioned to be parts of ''her'' soul beforehand. So take three guesses on who just came back from the river styx once this happens?
* She might even [[CameBackWrong return much worse]] than she was before, effectively become a "zombie-homie" without any restrains on her eating disorder, starting to feast and devour ''everything'' within reach the moment she returns from the dead, forcing everyone to cooperate in order to bring this undead gluttonous monster down, before it devours Whole Cake Island and everyone on it.
** Jossed: [[spoiler:It failed at the last and '''''worst''''' possible moment instead.]]
[[WMG: Sanji's mom had orange hair]]
* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.
[[WMG: Judge and his other sons will be too proud to allow themselves to be saved by Sanji.]]
When they find out the truth about Big Mom's plans, they'll still refuse help from a "dud" like Sanji, leading to a fight between some of them and the Straw Hats. Alternatively, Reiju may or may not calm some of her brothers down enough for them to make a temporary EnemyMine situation, but I heavily doubt that'll work with Judge.
* Jossed: When Sanji frees them from Perospero's candy, the entire Vinsmoke family immediately comes to the aid of the Straw Hat Pirates and their allies. The sons may be irredeemable jerkwads, but they will swallow their pride and work with those they disagree with to defeat an immediate threat to their lives.
[[WMG: Mama Caramel's identity]]
Mama Caramel was Big Mom's first created homie and mother figure, her leaving is why LinLin doesn't want anyone else to leave her totland or else they will die trying.
* Expanding on this theory, Mama Caramel contains a massive chunk of Big Mom's soul, including almost all of her capacity for love and compassion. When Mama Caramel left Big Mom, she took her part of her soul with and rendered Big Mom almost entirely incapable of empathy.
* Jossed, Carmel wasn't a homie.
[[WMG: Big Mom is going to catch Bege's poison missiles]]
If her flashback proved anything, it's that Big Mom is basically like a wild animal. Even in her shocked state, I bet she's just gonna instinctively do an ArrowCatch with Bege's missiles and crush them in her hand. She's practically unstoppable.
** Jossed: [[spoiler: Her voice shattered them in midair instead.]]
[[WMG: Katakuri's father is Gol D. Roger]]
His scarf hides a big smile.
* EXTREMELY unlikely. There is no way such a thing could have remained a secret, and the World Government would have hunted down the Big Mom Pirates if an offspring of the King of Pirates was among them. Considering how they acted when they suspected the conception of Ace, they probably made absolutely certain they knew if Roger had any other children running free.
** Jossed, the scarf hides a mouth full of fangs, something neither Roger nor Big Mom have.
[[WMG: Katakuri’s weak point is...]]
His jaw. That is where Luffy manages to land his first real hit on him, and if you look at the final panel he seems to be aiming right at the scarf. Katakuri doesn’t just where his scarf to hide his scary teeth and undignified feeding times and look cool. He also does it to hide the weak point on his body.
* Jossed, he doesn't seem to have any particular weakness in his jaw. In fact, Luffy ultimately defeats him with a body blow.
[[WMG: Sanji's cake will cure Big Mom's "Eating Disorder".]]
It will taste so good that all of her cravings would vanish in the aftermath and perhaps even make her do a HeelFaceTurn as a person, turning her into Linlin once again before Streusen corrupted her. As a result, she would call off the hunt on the Strawhats and everyone get to share the table and the cake in the victory feast afterwards.
Linlin finally might understand what it means to "see each other face to face" after all...
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Chopper will get his first serious bounty after the Whole Cake Island Arc.]]
It will coincide with Carrot getting her first bounty. The World Government will compare his feats to those of Carrot, and they will finally come to the realization that he is ''not'' merely a TeamPet.
* Jossed; his bounty remained unchanged, and Carrot didn't get a bounty. Only Luffy's and Sanji's were raised.
[[WMG: We are due for an extended flashback to Bege.]]
This will be a short-lived WMG, as it will either be confirmed or Jossed a few chapters from when I type this, but once Bege is able to get the cake to Liqueur Island and Big Mom starts eating it, the series will then begin a flashback for Bege, as his part in the Totto Land story will be mostly complete and we probably won't be seeing much of Bege for a long time once the Straw Hat and Firetank Pirates part ways.
* Jossed.
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[[WMG: Judge and Linlin will kill one another.]]
One will die first, and the other will die of injuries sustained in the fight.
* I doubt it, Oda doesn't usually do deaths in the present with the exceptions of the paramount war that killed Ace and Whitebeard and the Punk Hazard event that killed Monet and Vergo.
* Looking doubtful. Big Mom just one-shotted Judge in their first confrontation without getting a scratch.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will be blacklisted from the Charlotte Family like Lola]]
Pudding is going to be the next Charlotte Family outcast. Considering how much Big Mom hates Lola for messing up her plans, it's not hard to see her doing the same to Pudding now. Of course, her being a three-eye and Big Mom's key to Raftel still makes her valuable, but Big Mom's proven before that her rage can easily overshadow her reason.
* Jossed, the Big Mom Pirates end the arc believing that Pudding and Chiffon alone baked the cake; none of them know Pudding helped the Straw Hats.
[[WMG: The Assassination plan will go off without a hitch...]]
But the moment Big Mom dies, her devil fruit powers will hit the off-switch, meaning that the life-force of ''all'' of her homies will return to their rightful original owners...including Prometheus, Zeus and Napoleon, which have been specifically mentioned to be parts of ''her'' soul beforehand. So take three guesses on who just came back from the river styx once this happens?
* She might even [[CameBackWrong return much worse]] than she was before, effectively become a "zombie-homie" without any restrains on her eating disorder, starting to feast and devour ''everything'' within reach the moment she returns from the dead, forcing everyone to cooperate in order to bring this undead gluttonous monster down, before it devours Whole Cake Island and everyone on it.
** Jossed: [[spoiler:It failed at the last and '''''worst''''' possible moment instead.]]
[[WMG: Sanji's mom had orange hair]]
* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.
[[WMG: Judge and his other sons will be too proud to allow themselves to be saved by Sanji.]]
When they find out the truth about Big Mom's plans, they'll still refuse help from a "dud" like Sanji, leading to a fight between some of them and the Straw Hats. Alternatively, Reiju may or may not calm some of her brothers down enough for them to make a temporary EnemyMine situation, but I heavily doubt that'll work with Judge.
* Jossed: When Sanji frees them from Perospero's candy, the entire Vinsmoke family immediately comes to the aid of the Straw Hat Pirates and their allies. The sons may be irredeemable jerkwads, but they will swallow their pride and work with those they disagree with to defeat an immediate threat to their lives.
[[WMG: Mama Caramel's identity]]
Mama Caramel was Big Mom's first created homie and mother figure, her leaving is why LinLin doesn't want anyone else to leave her totland or else they will die trying.
* Expanding on this theory, Mama Caramel contains a massive chunk of Big Mom's soul, including almost all of her capacity for love and compassion. When Mama Caramel left Big Mom, she took her part of her soul with and rendered Big Mom almost entirely incapable of empathy.
* Jossed, Carmel wasn't a homie.
[[WMG: Big Mom is going to catch Bege's poison missiles]]
If her flashback proved anything, it's that Big Mom is basically like a wild animal. Even in her shocked state, I bet she's just gonna instinctively do an ArrowCatch with Bege's missiles and crush them in her hand. She's practically unstoppable.
** Jossed: [[spoiler: Her voice shattered them in midair instead.]]
[[WMG: Katakuri's father is Gol D. Roger]]
His scarf hides a big smile.
* EXTREMELY unlikely. There is no way such a thing could have remained a secret, and the World Government would have hunted down the Big Mom Pirates if an offspring of the King of Pirates was among them. Considering how they acted when they suspected the conception of Ace, they probably made absolutely certain they knew if Roger had any other children running free.
** Jossed, the scarf hides a mouth full of fangs, something neither Roger nor Big Mom have.
[[WMG: Katakuri’s weak point is...]]
His jaw. That is where Luffy manages to land his first real hit on him, and if you look at the final panel he seems to be aiming right at the scarf. Katakuri doesn’t just where his scarf to hide his scary teeth and undignified feeding times and look cool. He also does it to hide the weak point on his body.
* Jossed, he doesn't seem to have any particular weakness in his jaw. In fact, Luffy ultimately defeats him with a body blow.
[[WMG: Sanji's cake will cure Big Mom's "Eating Disorder".]]
It will taste so good that all of her cravings would vanish in the aftermath and perhaps even make her do a HeelFaceTurn as a person, turning her into Linlin once again before Streusen corrupted her. As a result, she would call off the hunt on the Strawhats and everyone get to share the table and the cake in the victory feast afterwards.
Linlin finally might understand what it means to "see each other face to face" after all...
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Chopper will get his first serious bounty after the Whole Cake Island Arc.]]
It will coincide with Carrot getting her first bounty. The World Government will compare his feats to those of Carrot, and they will finally come to the realization that he is ''not'' merely a TeamPet.
* Jossed; his bounty remained unchanged, and Carrot didn't get a bounty. Only Luffy's and Sanji's were raised.
[[WMG: We are due for an extended flashback to Bege.]]
This will be a short-lived WMG, as it will either be confirmed or Jossed a few chapters from when I type this, but once Bege is able to get the cake to Liqueur Island and Big Mom starts eating it, the series will then begin a flashback for Bege, as his part in the Totto Land story will be mostly complete and we probably won't be seeing much of Bege for a long time once the Straw Hat and Firetank Pirates part ways.
* Jossed.
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* Jossed. Funnily enough, there's a rumor ''in'' universe as well that he lost it to Big Mom; however, in reality, he lost it to Shanks sometime before his run-in with Big Mom.
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* Jossed. Funnily enough, there's a rumor ''in'' universe as well that he lost it to Big Mom; however, in reality, he lost it to Shanks sometime before his run-in with Big Mom.Mom.
[[WMG: Kaido's zoan devil fruit allows to take the form of....]]
[[Literature/TheCallofCthulhu THE CTHULHU!!!!!!!]]
* Jossed, it's an Eastern Dragon.
[[WMG: Kaido is a Sea King with a Mythical Zoan Fruit - Behemoth Devil Fruit]]
Sea Kings are shown to be surprisingly intelligent, but one of the most deadly beasts in the world. Like Chopper, Kaido's Fruit let's him take on a land based form, perhaps boosting his intelligence, perhaps he was already intelligent. Kaido is the 'World's Strongest Creature', what could be more fitting than one of the deadliest of all sea monsters combined with the deadliest land creature?
* The Sea King part is Jossed; Kaido is human.
** Both are Jossed now as his Zoan Fruit is that of an Eastern Dragon.
[[WMG: Kaido's zoan devil fruit allows to take the form of....]]
[[Literature/TheCallofCthulhu THE CTHULHU!!!!!!!]]
* Jossed, it's an Eastern Dragon.
[[WMG: Kaido is a Sea King with a Mythical Zoan Fruit - Behemoth Devil Fruit]]
Sea Kings are shown to be surprisingly intelligent, but one of the most deadly beasts in the world. Like Chopper, Kaido's Fruit let's him take on a land based form, perhaps boosting his intelligence, perhaps he was already intelligent. Kaido is the 'World's Strongest Creature', what could be more fitting than one of the deadliest of all sea monsters combined with the deadliest land creature?
* The Sea King part is Jossed; Kaido is human.
** Both are Jossed now as his Zoan Fruit is that of an Eastern Dragon.
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or not she will eventually be dethroned is still up in the air though.
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or not she will eventually be dethroned is still up in the air though.though.
[[WMG: Kid lost his arm to Big Mom]]
Specifically, he was captured by her when he tried to invade her territory and in order to leave he had to pay his price via her punishment wheel- and his arm was the cost of being allowed to exit.
* Still possible that she took the arm, but the spinning wheel route is Jossed; if you spin it at all, it's actually rigged to be fatal.
*Jossed. Funnily enough, there's a rumor ''in'' universe as well that he lost it to Big Mom; however, in reality, he lost it to Shanks sometime before his run-in with Big Mom.
[[WMG: Kid lost his arm to Big Mom]]
Specifically, he was captured by her when he tried to invade her territory and in order to leave he had to pay his price via her punishment wheel- and his arm was the cost of being allowed to exit.
* Still possible that she took the arm, but the spinning wheel route is Jossed; if you spin it at all, it's actually rigged to be fatal.
*Jossed. Funnily enough, there's a rumor ''in'' universe as well that he lost it to Big Mom; however, in reality, he lost it to Shanks sometime before his run-in with Big Mom.
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[[WMG: Nami will control Zeus and Prometheus and annihilate the enraged army]]
Since Zeus and Prometheus are homies and Big Mom's not present, Nami should be able to save her and Luffy's hides by using the Vivre Card to force them to burn/shock the enraged army.
* Jossed. She apparently did control the thunderclouds that Zeus and Prometheus created, but not the Homies themselves. And she though she ''did'' manage to take out a lot of the grunt soldiers with a lightning bolt, the stronger ones easily survived and captured both her and Luffy.
* Funnily enough though, she does eventually do exactly this against another group of Big Mom's thugs.
Since Zeus and Prometheus are homies and Big Mom's not present, Nami should be able to save her and Luffy's hides by using the Vivre Card to force them to burn/shock the enraged army.
* Jossed. She apparently did control the thunderclouds that Zeus and Prometheus created, but not the Homies themselves. And she though she ''did'' manage to take out a lot of the grunt soldiers with a lightning bolt, the stronger ones easily survived and captured both her and Luffy.
* Funnily enough though, she does eventually do exactly this against another group of Big Mom's thugs.
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* Half-confirmed, half-jossed. Nami DOES take control of Zeus--and even takes Zeus with her outside of Totland. Prometheus, however, remains with Big Mom.
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or not she will eventually be dethroned is still up in the air though.
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or not she will eventually be dethroned is still up in the air though.
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).though.
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or not she will eventually be dethroned is still up in the air though.though.
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).
[[WMG:How Buggy would (theoretically) react to a swordsman using Haki.]]
There's been a ''lot'' of fan debate on this (for theory purposes we're assuming Mihawk ''didn't'' bother to use a Haki slash back on Marineford), ranging from "he'd die instantly" to "he'd laugh it off without lifting a finger". Personally, I'd like to split the difference: a Haki-imbued slash ''would'' hurt and make him bleed, but as long as it didn't kill him in one hit he'd still be able to instantly reattach and heal the damage (if not the mental trauma).
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[[WMG: There will be another arc or couple of arcs between Whole Cake Island and Wano.]]
If the "Wano is one to two years off to come as of November 2017" part was really stated by Oda as well as not mistranslated, I heavily doubt an arc with so comparatively "little" left to do will take ''that'' long to finish, climactic encounter with Big Mom or not. I suspect another cooldown arc will come between Whole Cake and Wano, possibly involving the Germa.
* Confirmed, although the Reverie Arc was mentioned to be coming before Wano for quite some time.
If the "Wano is one to two years off to come as of November 2017" part was really stated by Oda as well as not mistranslated, I heavily doubt an arc with so comparatively "little" left to do will take ''that'' long to finish, climactic encounter with Big Mom or not. I suspect another cooldown arc will come between Whole Cake and Wano, possibly involving the Germa.
* Confirmed, although the Reverie Arc was mentioned to be coming before Wano for quite some time.
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* Jossed, Luffy becomes an Emperor ''alongside'' Big Mom rather than replace her. Whether or
* Confirmed, although the Reverie Arc was mentioned to be coming before Wano for quite some time.
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* I'm gonna say this is definitely Jossed. Chiffon would know if Pudding didn't know how to cook.
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* Jossed, there was no need for him to since he was planning on betraying her anyway.anyway.
[[WMG: Pedro will get his stolen years back]]
Specifically, Big Mom will actually be briefly knocked unconscious when the "Tamatebako box" (or whatever it's called) from Fishman Island explodes in her face and everything she's affected with her soul powers will deactivate; all of the stolen soul fragments in the Homies and in Big Mom herself will return to their rightful owners (or just disappear if their owner is dead, like Zepo or Moscato), meaning Pedro gets his life back.
** This has become more unlikely (but not impossible), as the box has fallen off the cliff where the wedding takes place.
** This has now become even more unlikely (and probably impossible) because [[spoiler: Pedro would appear to be dead. At least for now.]]
[[WMG: Sanji will fight ''Niji'' over Nami]]
There's a WMG around here saying that he'll fight Yonji over Nami... but I think he'll actually end up fighting Niji instead. Even if Sanji now doesn't want to let his brothers die, Niji will more than likely- ''really'' more than likely- try to get all... touchy-feely with Nami and Sanji won't stand for it.
* Jossed, Niji and Sanji actually end up working together vs. Big Mom.
[[WMG: Judge and his other sons will be too proud to allow themselves to be saved by Sanji.]]
When they find out the truth about Big Mom's plans, they'll still refuse help from a "dud" like Sanji, leading to a fight between some of them and the Straw Hats. Alternatively, Reiju may or may not calm some of her brothers down enough for them to make a temporary EnemyMine situation, but I heavily doubt that'll work with Judge.
* Jossed: When Sanji frees them from Perospero's candy, the entire Vinsmoke family immediately comes to the aid of the Straw Hat Pirates and their allies. The sons may be irredeemable jerkwads, but they will swallow their pride and work with those they disagree with to defeat an immediate threat to their lives.
[[WMG: Judge and Linlin will kill one another.]]
One will die first, and the other will die of injuries sustained in the fight.
* I doubt it, Oda doesn't usually do deaths in the present with the exceptions of the paramount war that killed Ace and Whitebeard and the Punk Hazard event that killed Monet and Vergo.
* Looking doubtful. Big Mom just one-shotted Judge in their first confrontation without getting a scratch.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will use her Memory powers on Big Mom]]
Come on, her power is like tailor-made for this kind of scenario. And by doing so, unravel the truth behind Mother Caramel for all present to see. Whatever this truth is, it will be something so shocking that it will turn the vast majority, if not all, of Big Mom's children against her in disgust, effectively turning it into a HoistByTheirOwnPetard to her for having them in the first place. Also, additionaly, whatever this truth is, will also cost her her place as a Yonko as well, as if all her children abandons her, she will lose all of the crews she married them off into as well, effectively reducing her war potential down to zero. (And with Big News right there in the room, whatever happens in the cermony hall ''will'' go global, no matter what happens...news are news after all, especially scoops.) No matter what, Pudding might become the catalyst that bring down Big Mom for good once this ends.
* Jossed for now, the arc ends with Big Mom fully aware of what happened around her.
[[WMG: Pudding will be blacklisted from the Charlotte Family like Lola]]
Pudding is going to be the next Charlotte Family outcast. Considering how much Big Mom hates Lola for messing up her plans, it's not hard to see her doing the same to Pudding now. Of course, her being a three-eye and Big Mom's key to Raftel still makes her valuable, but Big Mom's proven before that her rage can easily overshadow her reason.
* Jossed, the Big Mom Pirates end the arc believing that Pudding and Chiffon alone baked the cake; none of them know Pudding helped the Straw Hats.
[[WMG: Pudding will use her memory powers on Streusen.]]
And from there, the truth of that day will finally come to light to Big Mom after sixty-two years of wondering about Mother Carmel's disappearance. What Big Mom does after that is up for debate though.
* Jossed.
[[WMG:Jewelry Bonney is really an age-shifted Charlotte Snack on the lam]]
Her nickname is "Big Eater", and she has been known to change her age as a disguise. What if she is actually juggling two identities and her Charlotte Snack persona was bested by Urogue? Or perhaps she let him win?
* Very unlikely, especially with those details. Unless she's discarded her entire family due to a feud in the past and wants nothing more to do with them, she would have participated in the tea party were she one of Big Mom's daughters.
* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.
** Further jossed by the fact that Snack has since appeared in the manga, and he looks nothing like Bonney.
[[WMG:Purin will join the Straw Hats (or the Grand Fleet)]]
She'll fall in love with Sanji, but realize that there's no way to convince Sanji to stay with her. So she'll take another option; if she can't convince Sanji to stay, she will either go with him so they can remain together, or join the Grand Fleet so they can leave on good terms but still see each other again from time to time.
** Completely and entirely Jossed: [[spoiler:As of chapter 850, Pudding has revealed herself to be just as sadistic as her mother, if not more than her, by harming Reiju and declaring her intentions to murder her, Sanji, the rest of the Vinsmokes, and the Straw Hats.]].
* Actually, with her HeelFaceTurn (and Big Mom noticing she's helping the Straw Hats), this is once again plausible. She also indeed falls in love with Sanji, so this should go back to the Open section for now.
* Jossed for now, the arc ends with her staying in Tottoland.
[[WMG: How Luffy will defeat Katakuri]]
It's been shown that Katakuri is Luffy's superior in Haki and fighting power. How can Luffy prevail over such a foe without it seeming to be a deus ex machina? Consider three things:
* During Skypeia, Luffy found a way to defend against Eneru's Mantra/Observation Haki by shutting down his mind and moving on subconscious reflex.
* After Enies Lobby, Luffy's shown that he's trained himself to be able to eat while sleeping, so as not to miss meals.
Katakuri's power is ''mochi''. Is it too outlandish to assume that this might end up like the fight against Cracker, with Luffy ''eating'' his opponent's Devil Fruit creations to hold his ground? And doing it with his conscious turned off to keep Katakuri from anticipating it?
* Possible, but I doubt it will be ''the'' way to defeat him. Maybe he'll pull that off to weaken him, but having him defeated this way would made him too similar to Cracker. Plus, I doubt it would count as "deus ex machina"; Luffy fought and defeated several opponents way above him in power before, like Crocodile or Lucci.
* You have to remember that Katakuri sees the FUTURE, that's what makes him different from all other Kenbun users, as they base their "sensations" off the feelings of their opponents. Regardless if Luffy shuts off his brain, Katakuri will still foresee the future.
* Jossed. He just beats him straight up with GoodOlFisticuffs.
[[WMG:How the Straw Hats will escape Big Mom's tsunami]]
I can only think of two ways out at that point:
A) Jimbei breaks the wave or slows it down before it can crash on the Sunny; he can manipulate water after all, and this huge tsunami would be a way for him to show his strength either way.
B) Luffy says "Fuck it" and escapes the Mirror World, abandoning his fight with Katakuri in favor of punching Big Mom; this won't faze her but it will distract her long enough for the Straw Hats to get away. This would still leave Katakuri's threat level intact, but at least the bigger threat at the moment would be removed.
** Or C) The Sun Pirates shows up and disarms the giant wave by manipulating the sea currents needed to form it beneath the surface, effectively pulling the rug for its foundation without having to do a Mihawk on the actual wave like back in Marineford Arc.
** Or the Straw Hats could use the Sunny's Gaon Cannon.
*** No they couldn't; the cannon runs on cola, and they're not done refueling it since they used the Coup de Burst earlier.
* Jossed. Jimbei surfs inside the wave to escape.
[[WMG: Katakuri’s weak point is...]]
His jaw. That is where Luffy manages to land his first real hit on him, and if you look at the final panel he seems to be aiming right at the scarf. Katakuri doesn’t just where his scarf to hide his scary teeth and undignified feeding times and look cool. He also does it to hide the weak point on his body.
* Jossed, he doesn't seem to have any particular weakness in his jaw. In fact, Luffy ultimately defeats him with a body blow.
[[WMG: There will be another arc or couple of arcs between Whole Cake Island and Wano.]]
If the "Wano is one to two years off to come as of November 2017" part was really stated by Oda as well as not mistranslated, I heavily doubt an arc with so comparatively "little" left to do will take ''that'' long to finish, climactic encounter with Big Mom or not. I suspect another cooldown arc will come between Whole Cake and Wano, possibly involving the Germa.
* Confirmed, although the Reverie Arc was mentioned to be coming before Wano for quite some time.
[[WMG: Pedro will get his stolen years back]]
Specifically, Big Mom will actually be briefly knocked unconscious when the "Tamatebako box" (or whatever it's called) from Fishman Island explodes in her face and everything she's affected with her soul powers will deactivate; all of the stolen soul fragments in the Homies and in Big Mom herself will return to their rightful owners (or just disappear if their owner is dead, like Zepo or Moscato), meaning Pedro gets his life back.
** This has become more unlikely (but not impossible), as the box has fallen off the cliff where the wedding takes place.
** This has now become even more unlikely (and probably impossible) because [[spoiler: Pedro would appear to be dead. At least for now.]]
[[WMG: Sanji will fight ''Niji'' over Nami]]
There's a WMG around here saying that he'll fight Yonji over Nami... but I think he'll actually end up fighting Niji instead. Even if Sanji now doesn't want to let his brothers die, Niji will more than likely- ''really'' more than likely- try to get all... touchy-feely with Nami and Sanji won't stand for it.
* Jossed, Niji and Sanji actually end up working together vs. Big Mom.
[[WMG: Judge and his other sons will be too proud to allow themselves to be saved by Sanji.]]
When they find out the truth about Big Mom's plans, they'll still refuse help from a "dud" like Sanji, leading to a fight between some of them and the Straw Hats. Alternatively, Reiju may or may not calm some of her brothers down enough for them to make a temporary EnemyMine situation, but I heavily doubt that'll work with Judge.
* Jossed: When Sanji frees them from Perospero's candy, the entire Vinsmoke family immediately comes to the aid of the Straw Hat Pirates and their allies. The sons may be irredeemable jerkwads, but they will swallow their pride and work with those they disagree with to defeat an immediate threat to their lives.
[[WMG: Judge and Linlin will kill one another.]]
One will die first, and the other will die of injuries sustained in the fight.
* I doubt it, Oda doesn't usually do deaths in the present with the exceptions of the paramount war that killed Ace and Whitebeard and the Punk Hazard event that killed Monet and Vergo.
* Looking doubtful. Big Mom just one-shotted Judge in their first confrontation without getting a scratch.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will use her Memory powers on Big Mom]]
Come on, her power is like tailor-made for this kind of scenario. And by doing so, unravel the truth behind Mother Caramel for all present to see. Whatever this truth is, it will be something so shocking that it will turn the vast majority, if not all, of Big Mom's children against her in disgust, effectively turning it into a HoistByTheirOwnPetard to her for having them in the first place. Also, additionaly, whatever this truth is, will also cost her her place as a Yonko as well, as if all her children abandons her, she will lose all of the crews she married them off into as well, effectively reducing her war potential down to zero. (And with Big News right there in the room, whatever happens in the cermony hall ''will'' go global, no matter what happens...news are news after all, especially scoops.) No matter what, Pudding might become the catalyst that bring down Big Mom for good once this ends.
* Jossed for now, the arc ends with Big Mom fully aware of what happened around her.
[[WMG: Pudding will be blacklisted from the Charlotte Family like Lola]]
Pudding is going to be the next Charlotte Family outcast. Considering how much Big Mom hates Lola for messing up her plans, it's not hard to see her doing the same to Pudding now. Of course, her being a three-eye and Big Mom's key to Raftel still makes her valuable, but Big Mom's proven before that her rage can easily overshadow her reason.
* Jossed, the Big Mom Pirates end the arc believing that Pudding and Chiffon alone baked the cake; none of them know Pudding helped the Straw Hats.
[[WMG: Pudding will use her memory powers on Streusen.]]
And from there, the truth of that day will finally come to light to Big Mom after sixty-two years of wondering about Mother Carmel's disappearance. What Big Mom does after that is up for debate though.
* Jossed.
[[WMG:Jewelry Bonney is really an age-shifted Charlotte Snack on the lam]]
Her nickname is "Big Eater", and she has been known to change her age as a disguise. What if she is actually juggling two identities and her Charlotte Snack persona was bested by Urogue? Or perhaps she let him win?
* Very unlikely, especially with those details. Unless she's discarded her entire family due to a feud in the past and wants nothing more to do with them, she would have participated in the tea party were she one of Big Mom's daughters.
* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.
** Further jossed by the fact that Snack has since appeared in the manga, and he looks nothing like Bonney.
[[WMG:Purin will join the Straw Hats (or the Grand Fleet)]]
She'll fall in love with Sanji, but realize that there's no way to convince Sanji to stay with her. So she'll take another option; if she can't convince Sanji to stay, she will either go with him so they can remain together, or join the Grand Fleet so they can leave on good terms but still see each other again from time to time.
** Completely and entirely Jossed: [[spoiler:As of chapter 850, Pudding has revealed herself to be just as sadistic as her mother, if not more than her, by harming Reiju and declaring her intentions to murder her, Sanji, the rest of the Vinsmokes, and the Straw Hats.]].
* Actually, with her HeelFaceTurn (and Big Mom noticing she's helping the Straw Hats), this is once again plausible. She also indeed falls in love with Sanji, so this should go back to the Open section for now.
* Jossed for now, the arc ends with her staying in Tottoland.
[[WMG: How Luffy will defeat Katakuri]]
It's been shown that Katakuri is Luffy's superior in Haki and fighting power. How can Luffy prevail over such a foe without it seeming to be a deus ex machina? Consider three things:
* During Skypeia, Luffy found a way to defend against Eneru's Mantra/Observation Haki by shutting down his mind and moving on subconscious reflex.
* After Enies Lobby, Luffy's shown that he's trained himself to be able to eat while sleeping, so as not to miss meals.
Katakuri's power is ''mochi''. Is it too outlandish to assume that this might end up like the fight against Cracker, with Luffy ''eating'' his opponent's Devil Fruit creations to hold his ground? And doing it with his conscious turned off to keep Katakuri from anticipating it?
* Possible, but I doubt it will be ''the'' way to defeat him. Maybe he'll pull that off to weaken him, but having him defeated this way would made him too similar to Cracker. Plus, I doubt it would count as "deus ex machina"; Luffy fought and defeated several opponents way above him in power before, like Crocodile or Lucci.
* You have to remember that Katakuri sees the FUTURE, that's what makes him different from all other Kenbun users, as they base their "sensations" off the feelings of their opponents. Regardless if Luffy shuts off his brain, Katakuri will still foresee the future.
* Jossed. He just beats him straight up with GoodOlFisticuffs.
[[WMG:How the Straw Hats will escape Big Mom's tsunami]]
I can only think of two ways out at that point:
A) Jimbei breaks the wave or slows it down before it can crash on the Sunny; he can manipulate water after all, and this huge tsunami would be a way for him to show his strength either way.
B) Luffy says "Fuck it" and escapes the Mirror World, abandoning his fight with Katakuri in favor of punching Big Mom; this won't faze her but it will distract her long enough for the Straw Hats to get away. This would still leave Katakuri's threat level intact, but at least the bigger threat at the moment would be removed.
** Or C) The Sun Pirates shows up and disarms the giant wave by manipulating the sea currents needed to form it beneath the surface, effectively pulling the rug for its foundation without having to do a Mihawk on the actual wave like back in Marineford Arc.
** Or the Straw Hats could use the Sunny's Gaon Cannon.
*** No they couldn't; the cannon runs on cola, and they're not done refueling it since they used the Coup de Burst earlier.
* Jossed. Jimbei surfs inside the wave to escape.
[[WMG: Katakuri’s weak point is...]]
His jaw. That is where Luffy manages to land his first real hit on him, and if you look at the final panel he seems to be aiming right at the scarf. Katakuri doesn’t just where his scarf to hide his scary teeth and undignified feeding times and look cool. He also does it to hide the weak point on his body.
* Jossed, he doesn't seem to have any particular weakness in his jaw. In fact, Luffy ultimately defeats him with a body blow.
[[WMG: There will be another arc or couple of arcs between Whole Cake Island and Wano.]]
If the "Wano is one to two years off to come as of November 2017" part was really stated by Oda as well as not mistranslated, I heavily doubt an arc with so comparatively "little" left to do will take ''that'' long to finish, climactic encounter with Big Mom or not. I suspect another cooldown arc will come between Whole Cake and Wano, possibly involving the Germa.
* Confirmed, although the Reverie Arc was mentioned to be coming before Wano for quite some time.
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* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.
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* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.point.
[[WMG: Capone will lie to Big Mom about Pekoms]]
First spoilers about chapter 813 say he's going to flee and leave the injured Pekoms behind on Zou. When reporting privately to Big Mom, he'll tell her Pekoms fell to the Strawhats (while in truth, probably Chopper tended to his wounds), also in an attempt to take his place and rise among Big Mom's ranks. Pekoms is going to be ''pissed'' when he recovers...
** However, in chapter 824 Tamago approves of Capone's actions. It's still to see what about Big Mom.
* Jossed, there was no need for him to since he was planning on betraying her anyway.
[[WMG: Capone will lie to Big Mom about Pekoms]]
First spoilers about chapter 813 say he's going to flee and leave the injured Pekoms behind on Zou. When reporting privately to Big Mom, he'll tell her Pekoms fell to the Strawhats (while in truth, probably Chopper tended to his wounds), also in an attempt to take his place and rise among Big Mom's ranks. Pekoms is going to be ''pissed'' when he recovers...
** However, in chapter 824 Tamago approves of Capone's actions. It's still to see what about Big Mom.
* Jossed, there was no need for him to since he was planning on betraying her anyway.
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: He ''does'' actually try "one final move", but it was breaking through Pudding's tough exterior, not taking her hostage.
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: He ''does'' actually try "one final move", but it was breaking through Pudding's tough exterior, not taking her hostage.]]
[[WMG: Sanji will kick Big Mom pretty.]]
If and when Sanji actually does meet Big Mom, he will probably be horrified with what she looks like. And so, in a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, he will kick her face until she's beautiful. Of course, it might just make her [[IWasQuiteALooker look the way she did when she was younger.]] At least then he won't be as hesitant to marry her daughter when the time is right.
* Probably pre-jossed. We finally get the origins on his chivalry in chapter 842, and looking at the context, it's now even ''more'' unlikely he'd turn back on his values for any reason.
* Jossed for sure now.
[[WMG: There will be Yonji x Purin instead]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.
[[WMG: Sanji and Yonji fought (or will fight) over Nami]]
It only makes the most sense in the world that Yonji was probably drooling over Nami's bounty poster and Sanji kicked his ass for it. And if it didn't already happen, it will in the future.
* Jossed, they do fight, but not over Nami.
[[WMG: Sanji's mother is a programmer]]
* It was her idea to name her children starting from zero (Rei).
** Jossed, she didn't seem to be any kind of scientist in Sanji's flashback.
[[WMG: Sanji will defeat a Vinsmoke with a punch]]
Zeff once punched Sanji rather than kick him to express how much he ''really'' wanted Sanji to go out and follow his dreams. So, with his mentor in mind, it's possible Sanji will mirror that passion by breaking one of his principles for the very special occasion of laying out one of his horrible family members. My money is on Judge or Niji at this point.
* Bonus point if he defeated them in one-punch.
* Jossed, they end up not fighting in the end.
[[WMG: Judge will blind Sanji.]]
The introduction of Sanji’s family, whom he has not seen since he was a young child, is definitely a precursor to some kind of horrifying [[TraumaCongaLine Trauma Conga Line]] for Sanji as a character (ala [[KickTheDog Robin in Enies Lobby]], but it already feels like it’s going to be a whole lot worse than that). Sanji’s father is DEFINITELY going to do something irreversible to damage him when he realizes how strong his weakest son has become, in spite of his natural handicaps as a “normal” human. There’s a reason the man’s name is Judge-- he’s all about [[DisproportionateRetribution collecting with interest]] when it comes to punishment, especially for Sanji, who he considers to be [[MyGreatestFailure his Greatest Failure]]. I get the horrifying feeling that he’s going to find another way to [[HandicappedBadass handicap]] him in order to put him back in his place-- and I don’t think it’s going to be by [[RedHerring taking away his hands]].
The inevitable storyline about [[MissingMom Sanji’s mother]] is going to reveal that she was [[DisposableWoman killed]] ([[MoralEventHorizon possibly by Judge himself]]) as punishment for something she did to [[PleaseIWillDoAnything protect her son]]-- that’s why we’re getting this whole setup with the [[BreakTheCutie female chef]] [[CrossingTheLineTwice getting beaten to hell]] by [[JerkAss Niji]] and Reiju’s [[SympathyForTheHero reluctance]] to be outwardly cruel to Sanji. I can absolutely see Sanji blaming himself for what happened to his mom (because that's what Judge will [[MindScrew make him think]]), and it will cause him to come to the realization that his subconscious, over-the-top desire to protect women stems from his [[FreudianExcuse failure to protect his own mother]].
We will also probably see a parallel with Sanji’s mother and Pudding. Given the family’s casual treatment of the subject of [[ArrangedMarriage Arranged Marriages]], it is likely that Sanji’s mother was in one with Judge before she died, which, (following the rules of parallelism Oda is so fond of) might indicate that Sanji’s arranged marriage to Pudding [[ViciousCycle could end very badly for her]]. But since Sanji has already been established as the [[ArchnemesisDad polar opposite of his father]], I think we’ll see him protect her from Judge’s wrath ([[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy likely because she will try to help Sanji escape]]), and he will sustain a [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished serious injury]] [[FailureKnight trying to keep]] [[MyGreatestFailure what happened to his mother]] from [[MyGreatestSecondChance happening to her]].
But that’s where it gets interesting-- Sanji is attracted to Pudding (as well as [[ChivalrousPervert every other woman who he has tried to protect throughout the series]]), which makes the [[FreudianExcuse origins]] of his [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl protective streak towards women]] a little... unsettling. It probably won’t be explicitly addressed, as this is still a children’s manga, but the subtext is already taking shape before our eyes.
And who is the primary fictional character who represents men in love with their mothers? [[OedipusComplex Oedipus Rex]].
And what does Oedipus do when he finds out he [[ItWasHisSled killed his dad and married his mom]]? He [[EyeScream gouges his own eyes out]]. But in this case, Sanji's guilt will drive him to recklessly endanger himself [[AchillesHeel on Pudding's behalf]], [[FlawExploitation leaving an opening for]] [[ArchnemesisDad his father]] [[AgonyBeam to attack]].
Maybe it will be temporary, like [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt Law losing his arm]]-- we might see him fight Judge without his eyesight (either [[DisabledBadass on his own]] or with [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge Luffy’s help]]), only to have [[BigBrotherInstinct Reiju]] ([[HollywoodHealing somehow]]) use her powers to fix the damage after the battle.
Or maybe it will be a permanent, [[DespairGambit defining aspect of his character]]-- it would be heartbreaking, but incredibly powerful, if Sanji had to [[DespairEventHorizon overcome]] [[DarkestHour the loss]] of his dream to see the All-Blue and find a way to keep going [[FriendsAreChosenFamilyArent for the sake of his nakama]]. Either way, signs like his constant [[PeekABangs vision-obscuring hairstyle]], and shots like final panel of Chapter 840, where you can only see his [[OneEyedShot eye]] in the [[BrownBagMask Iron Mask]], feel too heavy-handed to be anything but oldschool Oda Foreshadowing.
* Jossed, he doesn't blind him.
[[WMG: Sanji's siblings' genetic modification will manifest bad side effects]]
When Sanji will be finally able to fight his brothers freely, their strenght and abilities will be put to a strain never experienced since the genetic enhancement as kids, causing a sudden and painful cellular degeneration. Sanji's true strenght will be revealed to be his body having rejected the artificial enhancements. The only way Judge and his scientists will have to save them, will be to be BroughtDownToNormal, a lesson that would greatly humble both Judge and the boys.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Sanji will awaken Conqueror's Haki in the Totland Arc]]
In a twist of pretty much everybody's expectations, ''Sanji'' will unlock his Conqueror's Haki before Zoro does. He's certainly got the willpower to possess it, and it's only fitting in an arc that focuses so heavily on him that he'd unlock his ultimate potential by the end.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: By the end of Totland arc...]]
* Vinsmoke family would be another allies to Strawhats. This is necessary for plot sake. By the final war, the Strawhats likely needs as much allies as possible.
** Judge will pull a heel face turn.
** Reiju will be the true successor for the family. This is a similar to Arabasta, Fishman Island and Dressrosa, a kingdom that being allied with Strawhats, with a princess befriending the strawhats.
** The remaining three brothers will get kicked out from the family and get a cover page story.
* I would be truly and utterly ''shocked'' if Judge pulled a heel face turn...
** Well this is WMG. Let's follow the pattern : Cobra, held hostage during Arabasta takeover. King Neptune, also held in chain during Fishman arc. Dressrosa, the king got framed. I'm going to throw my chance that Judge is simply defeated by someone (Sanji, Luffy, or someone else) that once he was incapacitated, the real common enemy shows up (Big Mam or some other party) that he had no choice but to work along with Strawhats. It's not so much he turned good as he simply just ended up no longer being enemy.
* It's possible now that we know they have an EnemyMine situation going on with the Straw Hats vs. the Charlotte Family.
* The Vinsmokes do end up becoming allies. All of the other theories are Jossed, however (Judge helps the Straw Hats, but he doesn't exactly turn over a new leaf).
[[WMG: Sanji's three brothers]]
...are staging a coup against Judge.
* This is based on nothing but reused plotline. Arabasta : People wanted revolution, manipulated by Crocodile. Fishman Island : Hody's gang are staging a coup. Dressrosa : Doflamingo takes over power. So far we haven't had power struggle from inside the royal family itself, and this would be a good chance for it.
** What if Reiju was severely injured, as we see her at the end of Chapter 849, by her brothers? The chapter opens with Judge asking his sons where Reiju is, and they reply they just don't know. Are they sincere or not?
** Actually, that was Yonji asking Niji where Reiju is.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding is older than she looks]]
She calls Sanji a "little punk", "snot-nosed idiot", and refers to Luffy and Nami as "you kids" when she reveals her motives. Despite the fact she looks around their age, her manner of speech implies she may be much older than she appears.
* Probably Jossed. An SBS reveals that Big Mom's oldest kid is only 50, so Pudding is probably as young as she looks.
** All evidence now indicates that she's 16 or 17 (and Big Mom's 41st son is whichever of the two ages that she isn't).
[[WMG: Pudding is the one who knocked out Lola's tooth]]
Lots of people have cited Pudding's "fond" memory of Lola as evidence that she's not really evil. ''But'', quite actually, I believe Pudding was similar to her EnfantTerrible sister Anana when she was a kid- and being violently insane and loyal to Big Mom, she attacked Lola shortly after she told her she was leaving in that little flashback. The end result was that she managed to knock out her tooth before likely being restrained by Lola. If there's one thing I've learned from One Piece it's that if a plot important character has a scar, it's also probably plot-important and not just random.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will end up falling for Niji]]
Bitch and Asshole, the ultimate bombastic couple. I support this guess by Ichiji's [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_839_11#gohere comment]] and Pudding's recent [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_851_7#gohere rant]] (middle panel).
* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.
[[WMG: Sanji will kick Big Mom pretty.]]
If and when Sanji actually does meet Big Mom, he will probably be horrified with what she looks like. And so, in a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, he will kick her face until she's beautiful. Of course, it might just make her [[IWasQuiteALooker look the way she did when she was younger.]] At least then he won't be as hesitant to marry her daughter when the time is right.
* Probably pre-jossed. We finally get the origins on his chivalry in chapter 842, and looking at the context, it's now even ''more'' unlikely he'd turn back on his values for any reason.
* Jossed for sure now.
[[WMG: There will be Yonji x Purin instead]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.
[[WMG: Sanji and Yonji fought (or will fight) over Nami]]
It only makes the most sense in the world that Yonji was probably drooling over Nami's bounty poster and Sanji kicked his ass for it. And if it didn't already happen, it will in the future.
* Jossed, they do fight, but not over Nami.
[[WMG: Sanji's mother is a programmer]]
* It was her idea to name her children starting from zero (Rei).
** Jossed, she didn't seem to be any kind of scientist in Sanji's flashback.
[[WMG: Sanji will defeat a Vinsmoke with a punch]]
Zeff once punched Sanji rather than kick him to express how much he ''really'' wanted Sanji to go out and follow his dreams. So, with his mentor in mind, it's possible Sanji will mirror that passion by breaking one of his principles for the very special occasion of laying out one of his horrible family members. My money is on Judge or Niji at this point.
* Bonus point if he defeated them in one-punch.
* Jossed, they end up not fighting in the end.
[[WMG: Judge will blind Sanji.]]
The introduction of Sanji’s family, whom he has not seen since he was a young child, is definitely a precursor to some kind of horrifying [[TraumaCongaLine Trauma Conga Line]] for Sanji as a character (ala [[KickTheDog Robin in Enies Lobby]], but it already feels like it’s going to be a whole lot worse than that). Sanji’s father is DEFINITELY going to do something irreversible to damage him when he realizes how strong his weakest son has become, in spite of his natural handicaps as a “normal” human. There’s a reason the man’s name is Judge-- he’s all about [[DisproportionateRetribution collecting with interest]] when it comes to punishment, especially for Sanji, who he considers to be [[MyGreatestFailure his Greatest Failure]]. I get the horrifying feeling that he’s going to find another way to [[HandicappedBadass handicap]] him in order to put him back in his place-- and I don’t think it’s going to be by [[RedHerring taking away his hands]].
The inevitable storyline about [[MissingMom Sanji’s mother]] is going to reveal that she was [[DisposableWoman killed]] ([[MoralEventHorizon possibly by Judge himself]]) as punishment for something she did to [[PleaseIWillDoAnything protect her son]]-- that’s why we’re getting this whole setup with the [[BreakTheCutie female chef]] [[CrossingTheLineTwice getting beaten to hell]] by [[JerkAss Niji]] and Reiju’s [[SympathyForTheHero reluctance]] to be outwardly cruel to Sanji. I can absolutely see Sanji blaming himself for what happened to his mom (because that's what Judge will [[MindScrew make him think]]), and it will cause him to come to the realization that his subconscious, over-the-top desire to protect women stems from his [[FreudianExcuse failure to protect his own mother]].
We will also probably see a parallel with Sanji’s mother and Pudding. Given the family’s casual treatment of the subject of [[ArrangedMarriage Arranged Marriages]], it is likely that Sanji’s mother was in one with Judge before she died, which, (following the rules of parallelism Oda is so fond of) might indicate that Sanji’s arranged marriage to Pudding [[ViciousCycle could end very badly for her]]. But since Sanji has already been established as the [[ArchnemesisDad polar opposite of his father]], I think we’ll see him protect her from Judge’s wrath ([[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy likely because she will try to help Sanji escape]]), and he will sustain a [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished serious injury]] [[FailureKnight trying to keep]] [[MyGreatestFailure what happened to his mother]] from [[MyGreatestSecondChance happening to her]].
But that’s where it gets interesting-- Sanji is attracted to Pudding (as well as [[ChivalrousPervert every other woman who he has tried to protect throughout the series]]), which makes the [[FreudianExcuse origins]] of his [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl protective streak towards women]] a little... unsettling. It probably won’t be explicitly addressed, as this is still a children’s manga, but the subtext is already taking shape before our eyes.
And who is the primary fictional character who represents men in love with their mothers? [[OedipusComplex Oedipus Rex]].
And what does Oedipus do when he finds out he [[ItWasHisSled killed his dad and married his mom]]? He [[EyeScream gouges his own eyes out]]. But in this case, Sanji's guilt will drive him to recklessly endanger himself [[AchillesHeel on Pudding's behalf]], [[FlawExploitation leaving an opening for]] [[ArchnemesisDad his father]] [[AgonyBeam to attack]].
Maybe it will be temporary, like [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt Law losing his arm]]-- we might see him fight Judge without his eyesight (either [[DisabledBadass on his own]] or with [[ExtremeMeleeRevenge Luffy’s help]]), only to have [[BigBrotherInstinct Reiju]] ([[HollywoodHealing somehow]]) use her powers to fix the damage after the battle.
Or maybe it will be a permanent, [[DespairGambit defining aspect of his character]]-- it would be heartbreaking, but incredibly powerful, if Sanji had to [[DespairEventHorizon overcome]] [[DarkestHour the loss]] of his dream to see the All-Blue and find a way to keep going [[FriendsAreChosenFamilyArent for the sake of his nakama]]. Either way, signs like his constant [[PeekABangs vision-obscuring hairstyle]], and shots like final panel of Chapter 840, where you can only see his [[OneEyedShot eye]] in the [[BrownBagMask Iron Mask]], feel too heavy-handed to be anything but oldschool Oda Foreshadowing.
* Jossed, he doesn't blind him.
[[WMG: Sanji's siblings' genetic modification will manifest bad side effects]]
When Sanji will be finally able to fight his brothers freely, their strenght and abilities will be put to a strain never experienced since the genetic enhancement as kids, causing a sudden and painful cellular degeneration. Sanji's true strenght will be revealed to be his body having rejected the artificial enhancements. The only way Judge and his scientists will have to save them, will be to be BroughtDownToNormal, a lesson that would greatly humble both Judge and the boys.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Sanji will awaken Conqueror's Haki in the Totland Arc]]
In a twist of pretty much everybody's expectations, ''Sanji'' will unlock his Conqueror's Haki before Zoro does. He's certainly got the willpower to possess it, and it's only fitting in an arc that focuses so heavily on him that he'd unlock his ultimate potential by the end.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: By the end of Totland arc...]]
* Vinsmoke family would be another allies to Strawhats. This is necessary for plot sake. By the final war, the Strawhats likely needs as much allies as possible.
** Judge will pull a heel face turn.
** Reiju will be the true successor for the family. This is a similar to Arabasta, Fishman Island and Dressrosa, a kingdom that being allied with Strawhats, with a princess befriending the strawhats.
** The remaining three brothers will get kicked out from the family and get a cover page story.
* I would be truly and utterly ''shocked'' if Judge pulled a heel face turn...
** Well this is WMG. Let's follow the pattern : Cobra, held hostage during Arabasta takeover. King Neptune, also held in chain during Fishman arc. Dressrosa, the king got framed. I'm going to throw my chance that Judge is simply defeated by someone (Sanji, Luffy, or someone else) that once he was incapacitated, the real common enemy shows up (Big Mam or some other party) that he had no choice but to work along with Strawhats. It's not so much he turned good as he simply just ended up no longer being enemy.
* It's possible now that we know they have an EnemyMine situation going on with the Straw Hats vs. the Charlotte Family.
* The Vinsmokes do end up becoming allies. All of the other theories are Jossed, however (Judge helps the Straw Hats, but he doesn't exactly turn over a new leaf).
[[WMG: Sanji's three brothers]]
...are staging a coup against Judge.
* This is based on nothing but reused plotline. Arabasta : People wanted revolution, manipulated by Crocodile. Fishman Island : Hody's gang are staging a coup. Dressrosa : Doflamingo takes over power. So far we haven't had power struggle from inside the royal family itself, and this would be a good chance for it.
** What if Reiju was severely injured, as we see her at the end of Chapter 849, by her brothers? The chapter opens with Judge asking his sons where Reiju is, and they reply they just don't know. Are they sincere or not?
** Actually, that was Yonji asking Niji where Reiju is.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding is older than she looks]]
She calls Sanji a "little punk", "snot-nosed idiot", and refers to Luffy and Nami as "you kids" when she reveals her motives. Despite the fact she looks around their age, her manner of speech implies she may be much older than she appears.
* Probably Jossed. An SBS reveals that Big Mom's oldest kid is only 50, so Pudding is probably as young as she looks.
** All evidence now indicates that she's 16 or 17 (and Big Mom's 41st son is whichever of the two ages that she isn't).
[[WMG: Pudding is the one who knocked out Lola's tooth]]
Lots of people have cited Pudding's "fond" memory of Lola as evidence that she's not really evil. ''But'', quite actually, I believe Pudding was similar to her EnfantTerrible sister Anana when she was a kid- and being violently insane and loyal to Big Mom, she attacked Lola shortly after she told her she was leaving in that little flashback. The end result was that she managed to knock out her tooth before likely being restrained by Lola. If there's one thing I've learned from One Piece it's that if a plot important character has a scar, it's also probably plot-important and not just random.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding will end up falling for Niji]]
Bitch and Asshole, the ultimate bombastic couple. I support this guess by Ichiji's [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_839_11#gohere comment]] and Pudding's recent [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_851_7#gohere rant]] (middle panel).
* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.
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* Jossed. Her entire nation is stocked to the brim with chefs who are also likely world-class in skill, so there was really never any need to make Sanji cook for her. Besides, she only wanted him there [[spoiler: so she could kill him and his family]].
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* Initially Jossed. Her entire nation is stocked to the brim with chefs who are also likely world-class in skill, so there was really never any need to make Sanji cook for her. Besides, she only wanted him there [[spoiler: so she could kill him and his family]].
* Zig-zagged, ultimately: [[spoiler:Sanji ''does'' cook a new wedding cake for Big Mom to stave off her appetite after the old one is ruined by Luffy and the Tamatebako exploding, but not because he ''has'' to, but because every second she isn't sated, she is an [[OmnicidalManiac unstoppable force of devastation]] [[ImplacableMan who is IMPOSSIBLE to flee from.]]]]
* Zig-zagged, ultimately: [[spoiler:Sanji ''does'' cook a new wedding cake for Big Mom to stave off her appetite after the old one is ruined by Luffy and the Tamatebako exploding, but not because he ''has'' to, but because every second she isn't sated, she is an [[OmnicidalManiac unstoppable force of devastation]] [[ImplacableMan who is IMPOSSIBLE to flee from.]]]]
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[[WMG: Pekoms won't be allowed back in the Big Mom Pirates.]]
At least Tamago seems to believe Bege was right for doing what he did, so things aren't looiking too good for him. I don't know if Big Mom is more forgiving towards higher-ranked members (As in "I can tolerate fucking up once, but don't fuck up twice", or something), so he might just get demoted, but he could also be plain kicked out of the crew for failing his assignment and letting his personal feelings get in the way.
* I'll back you up on this. The fact that he's, um, you know... ''sailing with enemies right to his boss's location'' is probably not going to sit very well with Big Mom.
* Tamago seems to think that he might be able to beg Big Mom to take him back when he finds out that Pekoms survived being shot on Zou.
* Looking doubtful since [[spoiler: Bege plans to attack Big Mom while Pekoms is still loyal to her]].
* Jossed for now. The other members acknowledge him as one of their own when he meets up with them again.
[[WMG: The Sanji Retrieval Arc will be a kind of mirror to the Dressrosa Arc]]
Because not only are the Straw Hats that are in this arc happen to be the other half of the crew + Luffy but they even have three non-nakama along for the ride. Two Mink warriors instead of samurai and a friendly but not all that pleased guide to the next island (Law). As such the crew will take on roles that were taken by their Dressrosa compatriots i.e. Monster: Sanji-Zoro East Blue Coward: Nami-Usopp, Expostion of Story Elements: Brook-Franky, Support: Chopper-Robin.
My predictions:
1. Sanji, like Zoro will show off his most powerful techniques in order to defeat Big Mom's "powerhouse" character (possibly one of his brothers or Tamago.
2. Brook will instead of being given the overarching exposition reveal information about the Germa 66 and possibly other hints about the Vinsmokes, he might even know Grandpa or Grandma Vinsmoke personally.
3. Nami will awaken her haki in a tight spot (not certain what tight spot but you can bet there'll be one or two).
4. Luffy will fight the Big Bad, which won't be LinLin but rather Papa Vinsmoke.
And 5. Pekoms won't outright defeat Bege (he is a supernova after all) but his fight and other factors will inspire Big Mom to leave the Straw Hats be for the time being, until Kaidou has been sorted out (the prick).
That's all, obviously the themes and the mission itself will unravel in a different fashion to Mingo's death game but I think this arc is designed to give the other crew members an opportunity for growth, particularly Nami and Brook as Chopper got a lot of attention in the Punk Hazard and Zou arcs for his doctoring.
* Jossed. There's probably ''some'' similarities between Whole Cake and Dressrosa in there somewhere, but none of these things ended up happening.
[[WMG: Yonji will also be voiced by Hiroaki Hirata.]]
Considering he looks so similar to his big bro, it would make sense for them to share voice actors, or at least have similar-sounding voices.
* Jossed, Yonji's VA is Kenjiro Tsuda.
[[WMG: Totland serves solely to satisfy Big Mom's hunger ]]
Purin is very mistaken about the 'utopia' her mother created - each and every island in Totland exist only for sweets production purposes or as an emergency supply to stall her from destroying everything on her path. That's why Big Mom (or in reality, her children who run the government of the country) invite people from all over the world as they bring different recipes with them. This is their gambit for survival, as when Big Mom's tantrum happens (asking for some ridiculous sweet), someone may actually have recipe for that.
** Or it might exist to satisfy her hunger in a different [[ImAHumanitarian way]].
** Jossed. Linlin also genuinely wants to obtain power and become the Pirate King (Queen?), so it's likely that she didn't make Totland ''solely'' for her hunger.
[[WMG: Totland's government is run by Big Mom's children]]
With the eldest being a de facto president. Because their mom is so deranged, someone has to do the proper job of managing the country.
** When Big Mom realises that, she will be so enraged she will attempt to kill all of her children.
** Jossed. Crazy as she is, it's made perfectly clear later on that she still manages her country and crew herself. She does, however, have a lot of her kids working in her government.
[[WMG: Big Mom has been alive for a very, very long time]]
Her Devil Fruit ability seems to give her the power to take away or give away "life". So, maybe she's been stealing people's lifespans and adding them to herself for a long time. That's how she was able to progressively rise to the rank of an Emperor and it's why she's been able to have so many kids and husbands.
* It's been said, however, that she can't add the souls to "a living human body". Whether that applies to herself though has yet to be seen.
* The lady has got 84 offspring, a human lifespan doesn't allow for that.
** Although she could be a giant, they can live for up to 300 years and no-one has confirmed her race.
* Jossed, she's only 68 years old, as revealed in an SBS.
[[WMG: The fights in the Totland arc will be like in Enies lobby over handcuff keys]]
I find it doubtful that Luffy is going to fight Big Mom at this point so it's more likely Jajji will be the final boss and considering Sanji is in handcuffs they are going to have to release him from them so his siblings probably each will have a key.
* Jossed, [[spoiler: The cuffs are fake so no such thing will transpire]].
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
[[WMG: Luffy is the reason Jinbe didn't break out from Big Mom]]
Disclaimer : I found this theory on a forum. Instead of his life or his body part, Big Mom is actually asking Luffy as a price if Jinbe tried to get out from her crew.
* Jossed, he knew that the wheel would be fatal so he turned it down and just betrayed her anyway.
[[WMG: Upon the Vinsmokes' defeat...]]
* Big Mom will call the wedding off when she sees the Vinsmokes defeated by the Straw Hat Pirates, deeming them as having become too weak to be of much use because some upstart pirate crew who hadn't even existed for three years takes them down. In addition, Big Mom may feel insulted if she ever finds out that Judge has chosen to marry off Sanji because he is Judge's least important child, as she'll interpret this decision as Judge trivializing her. However, this does not end the conflict with Big Mom, because now she'll have her eyes on the ''Straw Hat Pirates'' instead. She may even still be interested in Sanji, only now as a Straw Hat Pirate rather than a Vinsmoke.
** Jossed due to the set up being inaccurate; [[spoiler: Big Mom was never planning on allying with the Vinsmokes. She plans to kill ''all'' of them, including Sanji.]]
[[WMG: Sanji'and his brothers are clones]]
The only original one is Reiju. Jajji wanted sons (he called his daughter 0 like - 'you don't count and all') so he cloned all four of them OR...
* Jossed; all [[spoiler: 5 Vinsmoke children were, however, genetically enhanced.]]
[[WMG: 3 out of 4 Vinsmoke sons are clones]]
And only one of them (probably Sanji) is the original one.
* Jossed; all [[spoiler: 5 Vinsmoke children were, however, genetically enhanced.]]
** So far, beside the fact they were all subjected to genetic enhancements, there's nothing really telling us how the quadruplets were born, either naturally or artificially. Of note is that when discussing about the kids's training results, the scientists mentions only the boys and not Reiju.
[[WMG: The Vinsmoke quadruplets are not younger brothers of Reiju, but her clones]]
Judge's wife wasn't a woman he loved, but just a "best match" on a genetic level. However, after she gave birth to a girl, something happened (she died? She became unable to have more children? She escaped?) and Judge was left with no other chance to have the "perfect" son he wanted naturally. So he decided to have Reiju's DNA worked on and, to stay safe, to have more than one gender-swapped clone of her produced. While Reiju was later genetically enhanced like her brothers/clones and got the same training as them to be a future leader, she is secretly resentful for being considered inferior only because she was born female, right from her own name.
* Pretty much Jossed, although not quite yet... their mother was still alive when her sons were around so it's much more likely that she gave birth to them naturally.
* For sure Jossed by chapter 852, as Reiju recalls her mother's pregnancy. Also, seeing as how their mother had the gall to challenge Judge on the modifications, it would seem she wasn't just some sort of slave.
[[WMG: Reiju will ''not'' pull a HeelFaceTurn in the Totland Arc]]
She obviously isn't a bad person at heart, but I don't think she'll go so far as to turn on her family and help the Straw Hats right at this moment. She's morally complex for sure, but I believe she's so indoctrinated into the Vinsmoke's way of life that it'll take her a bit longer to switch sides at this point. I do expect her to be an ally at some point though.
* Jossed, she effectively switches sides by chapter 852.
[[WMG: Sanji's cause of defection is because of a woman hostage]]
* Sanji should have known Strawhats are strong enough to go against the world, unlike Robin, he wouldn't worry about the safety of the crew. Even with his hand at risk, it shouldn't be enough reason to defect from strawhats.
* Germa had, in fact, threatened Sanji with the safety Baratie and Zeff. This is already strong enough reason for Sanji to obeyed them, but we still see him struggled for few chapters before he changed his mind.
* I propose that, a better 'hostage' for Sanji, even more than Zeff and Baratie, would be... a woman. It doesn't actually matter who, since Zeff himself would have kicked him if he dared to risked the safety of a woman. If Sanji saw this woman being threatened in front of his eyes, he had no choice but to obey.
** Bonus point if it were just a random, helpless civilian like the servant who served Germa. Cosette?
** Or maybe Purin, if Germa revealed they planned to backstab Big Mom and this girl might be threatened unless Sanji willing to go with the plan.
** Alternatively it was Reiju. This is because he owed her, and because Reiju herself might told to act as a hostage by the Germa. Sanji figured that out, but he still obeyed because he can't lose her. If it was a random civilian, or even Nami herself, Sanji could just ask the strawhats to help release the girl instead. Unless he was delaying time.
** Jossed, there's nothing to suggest there's some woman he came there to save.
[[WMG: Judge is actually trying take over Totland in a coup]]
I can't really buy that a power hungry sociopath like Judge is ''actually'' ok with being sorta-kinda subordinate to Big Mom (say what you want about this "alliance", but she obviously has more power than him in this arrangement). There's no way he wants to share any of his resources with her. He claimed he needed the alliance because her resources combined with his would make him able to easily take the North Blue. So... he doesn't need ''her'', just her power. I bet he's planning on taking her resources as his own. And just look at his character. He's so arrogant that I imagine he believes he's perfectly capable of defeating Big Mom.
** We can't say for certain that he's planning on taking over Totland, but we now know that [[spoiler:Big Mom is going to attempt to kill ''him'' and his family to take their technological prowess.]]
* Jossed. He sat calmly at his table at the wedding and was about to be killed if it weren't for Sanji's intervention, which would suggest that he had no such plan.
[[WMG: Ichiji is an item with Pudding and they're planning on betraying their families]]
What if Ichiji and Pudding already met somewhere/know each other, are a couple, and brought up the idea of this alliance to their parents for the sake of seizing power from both of them? We actually don't know much about Ichiji yet but he seems like a cunning guy.
** Seems to be jossed.
[[WMG: Nami will control Zeus and Prometheus and annihilate the enraged army]]
Since Zeus and Prometheus are homies and Big Mom's not present, Nami should be able to save her and Luffy's hides by using the Vivre Card to force them to burn/shock the enraged army.
* Jossed. She apparently did control the thunderclouds that Zeus and Prometheus created, but not the Homies themselves. And she though she ''did'' manage to take out a lot of the grunt soldiers with a lightning bolt, the stronger ones easily survived and captured both her and Luffy.
* Funnily enough though, she does eventually do exactly this against another group of Big Mom's thugs.
[[WMG: Pudding is either a TimeMaster or has some sort of RealityWarper powers]]
Those weird clocks on the trees in the Seducing Woods were products of Pudding's Devil Fruit, as are all the clocks inside her home on cacao island.
* Jossed, she has the power of memory manipulation.
[[WMG: Pudding plans on attacking Big Mom/starting a ruckus at the wedding]]
This is the only thing she could've said aside from suicide or running away that I think would've cause Nami and Luffy's strong reactions. Don't have any idea how this would pan out since we've yet to see her have any combat capabilities- plus the massive odds against her- but just throwing it out there.
* The "attacking Big Mom" part is Jossed, but the "starting a ruckus" part, in that she [[spoiler:plans on killing Sanji.]]
* I'll just put this in Jossed because my intent with my ruckus guess was that she'd be doing it to ''save'' Sanji, not kill him.
[[WMG: Caponee Bege was one who attacked Reiju]]
Perhaps she overheard something she wasn't supposed to and Bege attempted to kill her. The castle she was limping around may also be Bege's body.
** [[spoiler:Jossed -- she was attacked by Pudding.]]
[[WMG: Pudding plans to kill Big Mom on the day of her wedding and by doing so end up as her successor on the Totland throne.]]
The poor girl knows that running isn´t an option (Lola) and suicide will just put one of her half-sisters up on the altar instead, so the only way to save the Straw Hats and Sanji from this mess, will be to kill Big Mom and make sure that she´s dead with zero chances of survival in order to avoid retribution from the mad Yonko...
If she succeeds, then she´ll have to avoid the wrath of Germa 66 and Judge who only went along with the whole thing to get the support needed for his plans. Without Big Mom, that falls flat. Either Sanji will have to step in and deliver a long overdue vengeance on his brothers and father in order to save Pudding.
Also, extra thought, if she makes it through this then Pudding might end up becoming the next leader for Totland and add the former Big Mom´s crew on to the Straw Hat fleet, while also ending up as a case of StarCrossedLovers for Sanji as he goes with the crew on adventure and she has to stay behind to manage the new kingdom that fallen under her responsibility. The engagement might still be a thing, but it become a genuine one instead and at the end of the series, they get married for real.
Just a theory
* Jossed. [[spoiler:Pudding ''does'' plan on killing someone, but it's ''Sanji'', as well as the entire Vinsmoke family.]]
[[WMG: Sanji, on the day of the wedding, is going to try one final move and take Pudding hostage on the altar.]]
And he´s going to use the bombs strapped to his wrists to do it. As the saying goes..."The most dangerous man in the world is not the one who lost it all, but the one with nothing left to lose."
He know he´s a dead man walking, so at least he might try to bargain with his and Pudding´s lives for the sake of sparing the Straw Hats and his family from Big Mom´s ploy. After all, Pudding is her mother´s "favorite girl". Even if Big Mom don´t mind if her daughter dies, Pudding most certainly do if she does. She might even try and help Sanji and the Straw Hats to escape for the sake of keeping her head still in one piece and not splattered all over the walls.
Whatever if it works or not is up to debate though.
* Jossed. [[spoiler: He ''does'' actually try "one final move", but it was breaking through Pudding's tough exterior, not taking her hostage.
[[WMG: Pekoms won't be allowed back in the Big Mom Pirates.]]
At least Tamago seems to believe Bege was right for doing what he did, so things aren't looiking too good for him. I don't know if Big Mom is more forgiving towards higher-ranked members (As in "I can tolerate fucking up once, but don't fuck up twice", or something), so he might just get demoted, but he could also be plain kicked out of the crew for failing his assignment and letting his personal feelings get in the way.
* I'll back you up on this. The fact that he's, um, you know... ''sailing with enemies right to his boss's location'' is probably not going to sit very well with Big Mom.
* Tamago seems to think that he might be able to beg Big Mom to take him back when he finds out that Pekoms survived being shot on Zou.
* Looking doubtful since [[spoiler: Bege plans to attack Big Mom while Pekoms is still loyal to her]].
* Jossed for now. The other members acknowledge him as one of their own when he meets up with them again.
[[WMG: The Sanji Retrieval Arc will be a kind of mirror to the Dressrosa Arc]]
Because not only are the Straw Hats that are in this arc happen to be the other half of the crew + Luffy but they even have three non-nakama along for the ride. Two Mink warriors instead of samurai and a friendly but not all that pleased guide to the next island (Law). As such the crew will take on roles that were taken by their Dressrosa compatriots i.e. Monster: Sanji-Zoro East Blue Coward: Nami-Usopp, Expostion of Story Elements: Brook-Franky, Support: Chopper-Robin.
My predictions:
1. Sanji, like Zoro will show off his most powerful techniques in order to defeat Big Mom's "powerhouse" character (possibly one of his brothers or Tamago.
2. Brook will instead of being given the overarching exposition reveal information about the Germa 66 and possibly other hints about the Vinsmokes, he might even know Grandpa or Grandma Vinsmoke personally.
3. Nami will awaken her haki in a tight spot (not certain what tight spot but you can bet there'll be one or two).
4. Luffy will fight the Big Bad, which won't be LinLin but rather Papa Vinsmoke.
And 5. Pekoms won't outright defeat Bege (he is a supernova after all) but his fight and other factors will inspire Big Mom to leave the Straw Hats be for the time being, until Kaidou has been sorted out (the prick).
That's all, obviously the themes and the mission itself will unravel in a different fashion to Mingo's death game but I think this arc is designed to give the other crew members an opportunity for growth, particularly Nami and Brook as Chopper got a lot of attention in the Punk Hazard and Zou arcs for his doctoring.
* Jossed. There's probably ''some'' similarities between Whole Cake and Dressrosa in there somewhere, but none of these things ended up happening.
[[WMG: Yonji will also be voiced by Hiroaki Hirata.]]
Considering he looks so similar to his big bro, it would make sense for them to share voice actors, or at least have similar-sounding voices.
* Jossed, Yonji's VA is Kenjiro Tsuda.
[[WMG: Totland serves solely to satisfy Big Mom's hunger ]]
Purin is very mistaken about the 'utopia' her mother created - each and every island in Totland exist only for sweets production purposes or as an emergency supply to stall her from destroying everything on her path. That's why Big Mom (or in reality, her children who run the government of the country) invite people from all over the world as they bring different recipes with them. This is their gambit for survival, as when Big Mom's tantrum happens (asking for some ridiculous sweet), someone may actually have recipe for that.
** Or it might exist to satisfy her hunger in a different [[ImAHumanitarian way]].
** Jossed. Linlin also genuinely wants to obtain power and become the Pirate King (Queen?), so it's likely that she didn't make Totland ''solely'' for her hunger.
[[WMG: Totland's government is run by Big Mom's children]]
With the eldest being a de facto president. Because their mom is so deranged, someone has to do the proper job of managing the country.
** When Big Mom realises that, she will be so enraged she will attempt to kill all of her children.
** Jossed. Crazy as she is, it's made perfectly clear later on that she still manages her country and crew herself. She does, however, have a lot of her kids working in her government.
[[WMG: Big Mom has been alive for a very, very long time]]
Her Devil Fruit ability seems to give her the power to take away or give away "life". So, maybe she's been stealing people's lifespans and adding them to herself for a long time. That's how she was able to progressively rise to the rank of an Emperor and it's why she's been able to have so many kids and husbands.
* It's been said, however, that she can't add the souls to "a living human body". Whether that applies to herself though has yet to be seen.
* The lady has got 84 offspring, a human lifespan doesn't allow for that.
** Although she could be a giant, they can live for up to 300 years and no-one has confirmed her race.
* Jossed, she's only 68 years old, as revealed in an SBS.
[[WMG: The fights in the Totland arc will be like in Enies lobby over handcuff keys]]
I find it doubtful that Luffy is going to fight Big Mom at this point so it's more likely Jajji will be the final boss and considering Sanji is in handcuffs they are going to have to release him from them so his siblings probably each will have a key.
* Jossed, [[spoiler: The cuffs are fake so no such thing will transpire]].
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
[[WMG: Luffy is the reason Jinbe didn't break out from Big Mom]]
Disclaimer : I found this theory on a forum. Instead of his life or his body part, Big Mom is actually asking Luffy as a price if Jinbe tried to get out from her crew.
* Jossed, he knew that the wheel would be fatal so he turned it down and just betrayed her anyway.
[[WMG: Upon the Vinsmokes' defeat...]]
* Big Mom will call the wedding off when she sees the Vinsmokes defeated by the Straw Hat Pirates, deeming them as having become too weak to be of much use because some upstart pirate crew who hadn't even existed for three years takes them down. In addition, Big Mom may feel insulted if she ever finds out that Judge has chosen to marry off Sanji because he is Judge's least important child, as she'll interpret this decision as Judge trivializing her. However, this does not end the conflict with Big Mom, because now she'll have her eyes on the ''Straw Hat Pirates'' instead. She may even still be interested in Sanji, only now as a Straw Hat Pirate rather than a Vinsmoke.
** Jossed due to the set up being inaccurate; [[spoiler: Big Mom was never planning on allying with the Vinsmokes. She plans to kill ''all'' of them, including Sanji.]]
[[WMG: Sanji'and his brothers are clones]]
The only original one is Reiju. Jajji wanted sons (he called his daughter 0 like - 'you don't count and all') so he cloned all four of them OR...
* Jossed; all [[spoiler: 5 Vinsmoke children were, however, genetically enhanced.]]
[[WMG: 3 out of 4 Vinsmoke sons are clones]]
And only one of them (probably Sanji) is the original one.
* Jossed; all [[spoiler: 5 Vinsmoke children were, however, genetically enhanced.]]
** So far, beside the fact they were all subjected to genetic enhancements, there's nothing really telling us how the quadruplets were born, either naturally or artificially. Of note is that when discussing about the kids's training results, the scientists mentions only the boys and not Reiju.
[[WMG: The Vinsmoke quadruplets are not younger brothers of Reiju, but her clones]]
Judge's wife wasn't a woman he loved, but just a "best match" on a genetic level. However, after she gave birth to a girl, something happened (she died? She became unable to have more children? She escaped?) and Judge was left with no other chance to have the "perfect" son he wanted naturally. So he decided to have Reiju's DNA worked on and, to stay safe, to have more than one gender-swapped clone of her produced. While Reiju was later genetically enhanced like her brothers/clones and got the same training as them to be a future leader, she is secretly resentful for being considered inferior only because she was born female, right from her own name.
* Pretty much Jossed, although not quite yet... their mother was still alive when her sons were around so it's much more likely that she gave birth to them naturally.
* For sure Jossed by chapter 852, as Reiju recalls her mother's pregnancy. Also, seeing as how their mother had the gall to challenge Judge on the modifications, it would seem she wasn't just some sort of slave.
[[WMG: Reiju will ''not'' pull a HeelFaceTurn in the Totland Arc]]
She obviously isn't a bad person at heart, but I don't think she'll go so far as to turn on her family and help the Straw Hats right at this moment. She's morally complex for sure, but I believe she's so indoctrinated into the Vinsmoke's way of life that it'll take her a bit longer to switch sides at this point. I do expect her to be an ally at some point though.
* Jossed, she effectively switches sides by chapter 852.
[[WMG: Sanji's cause of defection is because of a woman hostage]]
* Sanji should have known Strawhats are strong enough to go against the world, unlike Robin, he wouldn't worry about the safety of the crew. Even with his hand at risk, it shouldn't be enough reason to defect from strawhats.
* Germa had, in fact, threatened Sanji with the safety Baratie and Zeff. This is already strong enough reason for Sanji to obeyed them, but we still see him struggled for few chapters before he changed his mind.
* I propose that, a better 'hostage' for Sanji, even more than Zeff and Baratie, would be... a woman. It doesn't actually matter who, since Zeff himself would have kicked him if he dared to risked the safety of a woman. If Sanji saw this woman being threatened in front of his eyes, he had no choice but to obey.
** Bonus point if it were just a random, helpless civilian like the servant who served Germa. Cosette?
** Or maybe Purin, if Germa revealed they planned to backstab Big Mom and this girl might be threatened unless Sanji willing to go with the plan.
** Alternatively it was Reiju. This is because he owed her, and because Reiju herself might told to act as a hostage by the Germa. Sanji figured that out, but he still obeyed because he can't lose her. If it was a random civilian, or even Nami herself, Sanji could just ask the strawhats to help release the girl instead. Unless he was delaying time.
** Jossed, there's nothing to suggest there's some woman he came there to save.
[[WMG: Judge is actually trying take over Totland in a coup]]
I can't really buy that a power hungry sociopath like Judge is ''actually'' ok with being sorta-kinda subordinate to Big Mom (say what you want about this "alliance", but she obviously has more power than him in this arrangement). There's no way he wants to share any of his resources with her. He claimed he needed the alliance because her resources combined with his would make him able to easily take the North Blue. So... he doesn't need ''her'', just her power. I bet he's planning on taking her resources as his own. And just look at his character. He's so arrogant that I imagine he believes he's perfectly capable of defeating Big Mom.
** We can't say for certain that he's planning on taking over Totland, but we now know that [[spoiler:Big Mom is going to attempt to kill ''him'' and his family to take their technological prowess.]]
* Jossed. He sat calmly at his table at the wedding and was about to be killed if it weren't for Sanji's intervention, which would suggest that he had no such plan.
[[WMG: Ichiji is an item with Pudding and they're planning on betraying their families]]
What if Ichiji and Pudding already met somewhere/know each other, are a couple, and brought up the idea of this alliance to their parents for the sake of seizing power from both of them? We actually don't know much about Ichiji yet but he seems like a cunning guy.
** Seems to be jossed.
[[WMG: Nami will control Zeus and Prometheus and annihilate the enraged army]]
Since Zeus and Prometheus are homies and Big Mom's not present, Nami should be able to save her and Luffy's hides by using the Vivre Card to force them to burn/shock the enraged army.
* Jossed. She apparently did control the thunderclouds that Zeus and Prometheus created, but not the Homies themselves. And she though she ''did'' manage to take out a lot of the grunt soldiers with a lightning bolt, the stronger ones easily survived and captured both her and Luffy.
* Funnily enough though, she does eventually do exactly this against another group of Big Mom's thugs.
[[WMG: Pudding is either a TimeMaster or has some sort of RealityWarper powers]]
Those weird clocks on the trees in the Seducing Woods were products of Pudding's Devil Fruit, as are all the clocks inside her home on cacao island.
* Jossed, she has the power of memory manipulation.
[[WMG: Pudding plans on attacking Big Mom/starting a ruckus at the wedding]]
This is the only thing she could've said aside from suicide or running away that I think would've cause Nami and Luffy's strong reactions. Don't have any idea how this would pan out since we've yet to see her have any combat capabilities- plus the massive odds against her- but just throwing it out there.
* The "attacking Big Mom" part is Jossed, but the "starting a ruckus" part, in that she [[spoiler:plans on killing Sanji.]]
* I'll just put this in Jossed because my intent with my ruckus guess was that she'd be doing it to ''save'' Sanji, not kill him.
[[WMG: Caponee Bege was one who attacked Reiju]]
Perhaps she overheard something she wasn't supposed to and Bege attempted to kill her. The castle she was limping around may also be Bege's body.
** [[spoiler:Jossed -- she was attacked by Pudding.]]
[[WMG: Pudding plans to kill Big Mom on the day of her wedding and by doing so end up as her successor on the Totland throne.]]
The poor girl knows that running isn´t an option (Lola) and suicide will just put one of her half-sisters up on the altar instead, so the only way to save the Straw Hats and Sanji from this mess, will be to kill Big Mom and make sure that she´s dead with zero chances of survival in order to avoid retribution from the mad Yonko...
If she succeeds, then she´ll have to avoid the wrath of Germa 66 and Judge who only went along with the whole thing to get the support needed for his plans. Without Big Mom, that falls flat. Either Sanji will have to step in and deliver a long overdue vengeance on his brothers and father in order to save Pudding.
Also, extra thought, if she makes it through this then Pudding might end up becoming the next leader for Totland and add the former Big Mom´s crew on to the Straw Hat fleet, while also ending up as a case of StarCrossedLovers for Sanji as he goes with the crew on adventure and she has to stay behind to manage the new kingdom that fallen under her responsibility. The engagement might still be a thing, but it become a genuine one instead and at the end of the series, they get married for real.
Just a theory
* Jossed. [[spoiler:Pudding ''does'' plan on killing someone, but it's ''Sanji'', as well as the entire Vinsmoke family.]]
[[WMG: Sanji, on the day of the wedding, is going to try one final move and take Pudding hostage on the altar.]]
And he´s going to use the bombs strapped to his wrists to do it. As the saying goes..."The most dangerous man in the world is not the one who lost it all, but the one with nothing left to lose."
He know he´s a dead man walking, so at least he might try to bargain with his and Pudding´s lives for the sake of sparing the Straw Hats and his family from Big Mom´s ploy. After all, Pudding is her mother´s "favorite girl". Even if Big Mom don´t mind if her daughter dies, Pudding most certainly do if she does. She might even try and help Sanji and the Straw Hats to escape for the sake of keeping her head still in one piece and not splattered all over the walls.
Whatever if it works or not is up to debate though.
* Jossed. [[spoiler: He ''does'' actually try "one final move", but it was breaking through Pudding's tough exterior, not taking her hostage.
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[[WMG:Big Mom is a devil fruit user]]
She's a "stomach human" who ate the Hara Hara no Mi. Her round shape is because her entire body is a stomach, and her constant craving is a consequence of having so much to satiate. Her acid saliva is concentrated gastric acids. This endless hunger might have also led to developing a very powerful Haki (which is kind of a requirement for staying one of the big players in the New World), as her "ambition" to satisfy the perpetual munchies would know no rest.
* Confirmed to have ate the soul soul fruit, the stomach fruit is jossed.
[[WMG:Big Mom is a devil fruit user]]
She's a "stomach human" who ate the Hara Hara no Mi. Her round shape is because her entire body is a stomach, and her constant craving is a consequence of having so much to satiate. Her acid saliva is concentrated gastric acids. This endless hunger might have also led to developing a very powerful Haki (which is kind of a requirement for staying one of the big players in the New World), as her "ambition" to satisfy the perpetual munchies would know no rest.
* Confirmed to have ate the soul soul fruit, the stomach fruit is jossed.
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* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.
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* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.Sanji.
[[WMG: A person's shadow is part of his/her soul.]]
This is why zombies can be made with them.
* Uh pretty much partly confirmed/jossed for years now, since the Thriller Bark arc. Brook described the shadows as being ''like'' the soul and they're certainly similar to them. But overall, they're literally the person's actual shadow.
[[WMG:Law gave Luffy multiple hearts]]
A bit of a thought process for this one. [[spoiler:We know Law can remove hearts (Ex: The 100 pirate hearts and Smoker). We also know he operated on Luffy. What would Luffy need multiple hearts for? Simple. More hearts = more blood flowing, more blood flowing = better Gear 2nd, and less drawbacks since he has multiple organs working together to perform Gear 2nd rather than just one. Now, I understand that there would be no reason for Law to give Luffy multiple hearts, nor any reason that Law should even know how Gear 2nd works. Then again, Rob Lucci found out how Gear 2nd worked just by watching it... Maybe Law did too, and wanted to give Luffy a power boost as so he could become a strong opponent one day? This is merely a theory, of course.]]
* More hearts don't increase the amount of blood in your body. It's produced by the bone marrow.
* It would pump the blood faster. But either way, this seems incredibly unlikely.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Doflamingo was actually the one who created the artificial devil fruit that Momonosuke ate.]]
How else would you explain the mysterious connection between the two of them?
* Well, it can't be jossed until the Pirate Alliance Saga is over, but...the fruit was confirmed as being created by Vegapunk. There's no reason to assume that's not true, especially since Doflamingo has shown no ability for science or anything like that. Also, a huge part of why he was so mad at Law for kidnapping Caesar is that he needed him to make the devil fruits, so it's not likely he can just make them himself. Also, the connection was actually summed up as just being that Momonosuke once snuck up on Doffy in Dressrosa and saw him torturing a man, which traumatized him.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: A person's shadow is part of his/her soul.]]
This is why zombies can be made with them.
* Uh pretty much partly confirmed/jossed for years now, since the Thriller Bark arc. Brook described the shadows as being ''like'' the soul and they're certainly similar to them. But overall, they're literally the person's actual shadow.
[[WMG:Law gave Luffy multiple hearts]]
A bit of a thought process for this one. [[spoiler:We know Law can remove hearts (Ex: The 100 pirate hearts and Smoker). We also know he operated on Luffy. What would Luffy need multiple hearts for? Simple. More hearts = more blood flowing, more blood flowing = better Gear 2nd, and less drawbacks since he has multiple organs working together to perform Gear 2nd rather than just one. Now, I understand that there would be no reason for Law to give Luffy multiple hearts, nor any reason that Law should even know how Gear 2nd works. Then again, Rob Lucci found out how Gear 2nd worked just by watching it... Maybe Law did too, and wanted to give Luffy a power boost as so he could become a strong opponent one day? This is merely a theory, of course.]]
* More hearts don't increase the amount of blood in your body. It's produced by the bone marrow.
* It would pump the blood faster. But either way, this seems incredibly unlikely.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Doflamingo was actually the one who created the artificial devil fruit that Momonosuke ate.]]
How else would you explain the mysterious connection between the two of them?
* Well, it can't be jossed until the Pirate Alliance Saga is over, but...the fruit was confirmed as being created by Vegapunk. There's no reason to assume that's not true, especially since Doflamingo has shown no ability for science or anything like that. Also, a huge part of why he was so mad at Law for kidnapping Caesar is that he needed him to make the devil fruits, so it's not likely he can just make them himself. Also, the connection was actually summed up as just being that Momonosuke once snuck up on Doffy in Dressrosa and saw him torturing a man, which traumatized him.
* Jossed.
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[[WMG: Sanji's mom had orange hair]]
* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.
[[WMG: Sanji's mom had orange hair]]
* Jossed, she had the same shade of blonde hair as Sanji.
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* Jossed. She's more interested in just helping Sanji.Sanji.
[[WMG: What Dogtooth is seeing in the imminent future is...]]
A complete massacre, caused by Big Mom utterly snapping and starting to rip the souls and killing ''everyone'' present at the ceremony, not just the enemy. And the odds are high that she won't just settle for the people at the ceremony, but destroy and devour the life-force out the rest of Totland as well. Dogtooth, with his clairvoyance, have every reason to be pale as a sheet, as he's seeing this happening already and if he fails to stop the trigger to this from being pushed, he will immediately make a HeelFaceTurn and temporarily ally with the straw hats in order to stop Big Mom from devouring the life out of their kingdom. Bonus points if he takes command and rallies the rest of the family in order to do so, as they will be forced to choose between their mother or their lives alongside with the rest of the kingdom as she goes out craving for wedding cake in her mindless rage. By doing so, he will gamble on Benge's words being right and the future he sees can be changed, for all of their sake as if it doesn't everyone will die, him included.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: What Dogtooth is seeing in the imminent future is...]]
A complete massacre, caused by Big Mom utterly snapping and starting to rip the souls and killing ''everyone'' present at the ceremony, not just the enemy. And the odds are high that she won't just settle for the people at the ceremony, but destroy and devour the life-force out the rest of Totland as well. Dogtooth, with his clairvoyance, have every reason to be pale as a sheet, as he's seeing this happening already and if he fails to stop the trigger to this from being pushed, he will immediately make a HeelFaceTurn and temporarily ally with the straw hats in order to stop Big Mom from devouring the life out of their kingdom. Bonus points if he takes command and rallies the rest of the family in order to do so, as they will be forced to choose between their mother or their lives alongside with the rest of the kingdom as she goes out craving for wedding cake in her mindless rage. By doing so, he will gamble on Benge's words being right and the future he sees can be changed, for all of their sake as if it doesn't everyone will die, him included.
* Jossed.
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* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.
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* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.woman.
[[WMG: Pudding will try to kill Nami]]
So in chapter 869, we get a glimpse of Pudding gasping at Sanji catching Nami in his arms, and...seeing as how he's the only person to compliment her ThirdEye, doesn't it just make the most sense in the world that Sanji paying attention to a beautiful, normal, 2 eyed girl will make Pudding suddenly feel massively insecure? And seeing as how she's, you know, ''crazy'', her natural reaction to her conflicted feelings will probably be to kill whatever's causing her distress. Also, Nami vs. Pudding makes sense thematically too. Sanji defeated Nami's fake groom (Absalom), so now she gets to repay the favor by defeating Pudding.
* Jossed. She's more interested in just helping Sanji.
[[WMG: Pudding will try to kill Nami]]
So in chapter 869, we get a glimpse of Pudding gasping at Sanji catching Nami in his arms, and...seeing as how he's the only person to compliment her ThirdEye, doesn't it just make the most sense in the world that Sanji paying attention to a beautiful, normal, 2 eyed girl will make Pudding suddenly feel massively insecure? And seeing as how she's, you know, ''crazy'', her natural reaction to her conflicted feelings will probably be to kill whatever's causing her distress. Also, Nami vs. Pudding makes sense thematically too. Sanji defeated Nami's fake groom (Absalom), so now she gets to repay the favor by defeating Pudding.
* Jossed. She's more interested in just helping Sanji.
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* I'm gonna say this is definitely Jossed. Chiffon would know better if Pudding didn't know how to cook.cook.
[[WMG:Jewelry Bonney is really an age-shifted Charlotte Snack on the lam]]
Her nickname is "Big Eater", and she has been known to change her age as a disguise. What if she is actually juggling two identities and her Charlotte Snack persona was bested by Urogue? Or perhaps she let him win?
* Very unlikely, especially with those details. Unless she's discarded her entire family due to a feud in the past and wants nothing more to do with them, she would have participated in the tea party were she one of Big Mom's daughters.
* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.
[[WMG:Jewelry Bonney is really an age-shifted Charlotte Snack on the lam]]
Her nickname is "Big Eater", and she has been known to change her age as a disguise. What if she is actually juggling two identities and her Charlotte Snack persona was bested by Urogue? Or perhaps she let him win?
* Very unlikely, especially with those details. Unless she's discarded her entire family due to a feud in the past and wants nothing more to do with them, she would have participated in the tea party were she one of Big Mom's daughters.
* Jossed. I know we shouldn't necessarily rely on anime only scenes, but we've seen a glimpse of Snack in the anime (a huge, hulking man) and I'm sure Oda wouldn't have let them show him like that if he was actually a slim woman.
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* Ehhh... turns out she's more like a {{Tsundere}}. She's ''crazy'' like a yandere for sure, but she's not acting violently or dangerously. So for now, Jossed.
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* Ehhh... turns out she's more like a {{Tsundere}}. She's ''crazy'' like a yandere for sure, but she's not acting violently or dangerously. So for now, Jossed.Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding has been lying about her culinary skills.]]
This is the real reason why she needs Chiffon's help in making a chocolate chiffon cake for Big Mom. That chocolate house recipe that she boasted to have been an original creation? It's stolen from somebody else. If she were truly an exceptionally skilled chocolatier, why wouldn't she just make the cake on her own instead of relying on a collaboration? Thanks to memory manipulation powers, the secret that she is a fraud has not seriously gotten out thus far. Hey, practically everybody has lied in some way during this arc. If she lied about being a warm and caring person who loves Sanji, what else is she hiding?
* Absolutely not. The wedding cake was repeatedly stated (Including in chapter 873) to be made from lots of great ingredients, not just chocolate, and took a long time to build so it would be exactly the way Big Mom likes it. One person, not even Sanji, can't just magically make a cake this big and this delicious on their own, they need help. Besides, why would she lie about her culinary skills in the first place? Not only would there be no point, but it would also put her at a disadvantage; she's the daughter of ''Big Mom'', the same woman who slaughtered countless people because of her food-craving syndrome. Lastly, she was the one who offered to make the new cake, helped motivate her siblings to find ingredients, and directly sought Chiffon's help to make it. If she were lying about her skills, she wouldn't have done that, not with Totland as a whole and the Straw Hats' lives on the line (Assuming her tears in 874 are genuine, which the ending caption implies they are); her lying would put them all, including herself, in danger.
* I'm gonna say this is definitely Jossed. Chiffon would know better if Pudding didn't know how to cook.
[[WMG: Pudding has been lying about her culinary skills.]]
This is the real reason why she needs Chiffon's help in making a chocolate chiffon cake for Big Mom. That chocolate house recipe that she boasted to have been an original creation? It's stolen from somebody else. If she were truly an exceptionally skilled chocolatier, why wouldn't she just make the cake on her own instead of relying on a collaboration? Thanks to memory manipulation powers, the secret that she is a fraud has not seriously gotten out thus far. Hey, practically everybody has lied in some way during this arc. If she lied about being a warm and caring person who loves Sanji, what else is she hiding?
* Absolutely not. The wedding cake was repeatedly stated (Including in chapter 873) to be made from lots of great ingredients, not just chocolate, and took a long time to build so it would be exactly the way Big Mom likes it. One person, not even Sanji, can't just magically make a cake this big and this delicious on their own, they need help. Besides, why would she lie about her culinary skills in the first place? Not only would there be no point, but it would also put her at a disadvantage; she's the daughter of ''Big Mom'', the same woman who slaughtered countless people because of her food-craving syndrome. Lastly, she was the one who offered to make the new cake, helped motivate her siblings to find ingredients, and directly sought Chiffon's help to make it. If she were lying about her skills, she wouldn't have done that, not with Totland as a whole and the Straw Hats' lives on the line (Assuming her tears in 874 are genuine, which the ending caption implies they are); her lying would put them all, including herself, in danger.
* I'm gonna say this is definitely Jossed. Chiffon would know better if Pudding didn't know how to cook.
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* Jossed for now. The other members acknowledge him as one of their own when he meets up with them again.again.
[[WMG: Pudding's expression in the final panel of 875 indicates she's turning into a {{yandere}} for Sanji]]
She looks pretty psycho there, but the heart symbols in her dialogue about Sanji refute the idea that she's back to hating him.
* Ehhh... turns out she's more like a {{Tsundere}}. She's ''crazy'' like a yandere for sure, but she's not acting violently or dangerously. So for now, Jossed.
[[WMG: Pudding's expression in the final panel of 875 indicates she's turning into a {{yandere}} for Sanji]]
She looks pretty psycho there, but the heart symbols in her dialogue about Sanji refute the idea that she's back to hating him.
* Ehhh... turns out she's more like a {{Tsundere}}. She's ''crazy'' like a yandere for sure, but she's not acting violently or dangerously. So for now, Jossed.
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* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
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* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.son.
[[WMG: The Sanji Retrieval Arc will be a kind of mirror to the Dressrosa Arc]]
Because not only are the Straw Hats that are in this arc happen to be the other half of the crew + Luffy but they even have three non-nakama along for the ride. Two Mink warriors instead of samurai and a friendly but not all that pleased guide to the next island (Law). As such the crew will take on roles that were taken by their Dressrosa compatriots i.e. Monster: Sanji-Zoro East Blue Coward: Nami-Usopp, Expostion of Story Elements: Brook-Franky, Support: Chopper-Robin.
My predictions:
1. Sanji, like Zoro will show off his most powerful techniques in order to defeat Big Mom's "powerhouse" character (possibly one of his brothers or Tamago.
2. Brook will instead of being given the overarching exposition reveal information about the Germa 66 and possibly other hints about the Vinsmokes, he might even know Grandpa or Grandma Vinsmoke personally.
3. Nami will awaken her haki in a tight spot (not certain what tight spot but you can bet there'll be one or two).
4. Luffy will fight the Big Bad, which won't be LinLin but rather Papa Vinsmoke.
And 5. Pekoms won't outright defeat Bege (he is a supernova after all) but his fight and other factors will inspire Big Mom to leave the Straw Hats be for the time being, until Kaidou has been sorted out (the prick).
That's all, obviously the themes and the mission itself will unravel in a different fashion to Mingo's death game but I think this arc is designed to give the other crew members an opportunity for growth, particularly Nami and Brook as Chopper got a lot of attention in the Punk Hazard and Zou arcs for his doctoring.
* Jossed. There's probably ''some'' similarities between Whole Cake and Dressrosa in there somewhere, but none of these things ended up happening.
[[WMG: Pekoms won't be allowed back in the Big Mom Pirates.]]
At least Tamago seems to believe Bege was right for doing what he did, so things aren't looiking too good for him. I don't know if Big Mom is more forgiving towards higher-ranked members (As in "I can tolerate fucking up once, but don't fuck up twice", or something), so he might just get demoted, but he could also be plain kicked out of the crew for failing his assignment and letting his personal feelings get in the way.
* I'll back you up on this. The fact that he's, um, you know... ''sailing with enemies right to his boss's location'' is probably not going to sit very well with Big Mom.
* Tamago seems to think that he might be able to beg Big Mom to take him back when he finds out that Pekoms survived being shot on Zou.
* Looking doubtful since [[spoiler: Bege plans to attack Big Mom while Pekoms is still loyal to her]].
* Jossed for now. The other members acknowledge him as one of their own when he meets up with them again.
[[WMG: The Sanji Retrieval Arc will be a kind of mirror to the Dressrosa Arc]]
Because not only are the Straw Hats that are in this arc happen to be the other half of the crew + Luffy but they even have three non-nakama along for the ride. Two Mink warriors instead of samurai and a friendly but not all that pleased guide to the next island (Law). As such the crew will take on roles that were taken by their Dressrosa compatriots i.e. Monster: Sanji-Zoro East Blue Coward: Nami-Usopp, Expostion of Story Elements: Brook-Franky, Support: Chopper-Robin.
My predictions:
1. Sanji, like Zoro will show off his most powerful techniques in order to defeat Big Mom's "powerhouse" character (possibly one of his brothers or Tamago.
2. Brook will instead of being given the overarching exposition reveal information about the Germa 66 and possibly other hints about the Vinsmokes, he might even know Grandpa or Grandma Vinsmoke personally.
3. Nami will awaken her haki in a tight spot (not certain what tight spot but you can bet there'll be one or two).
4. Luffy will fight the Big Bad, which won't be LinLin but rather Papa Vinsmoke.
And 5. Pekoms won't outright defeat Bege (he is a supernova after all) but his fight and other factors will inspire Big Mom to leave the Straw Hats be for the time being, until Kaidou has been sorted out (the prick).
That's all, obviously the themes and the mission itself will unravel in a different fashion to Mingo's death game but I think this arc is designed to give the other crew members an opportunity for growth, particularly Nami and Brook as Chopper got a lot of attention in the Punk Hazard and Zou arcs for his doctoring.
* Jossed. There's probably ''some'' similarities between Whole Cake and Dressrosa in there somewhere, but none of these things ended up happening.
[[WMG: Pekoms won't be allowed back in the Big Mom Pirates.]]
At least Tamago seems to believe Bege was right for doing what he did, so things aren't looiking too good for him. I don't know if Big Mom is more forgiving towards higher-ranked members (As in "I can tolerate fucking up once, but don't fuck up twice", or something), so he might just get demoted, but he could also be plain kicked out of the crew for failing his assignment and letting his personal feelings get in the way.
* I'll back you up on this. The fact that he's, um, you know... ''sailing with enemies right to his boss's location'' is probably not going to sit very well with Big Mom.
* Tamago seems to think that he might be able to beg Big Mom to take him back when he finds out that Pekoms survived being shot on Zou.
* Looking doubtful since [[spoiler: Bege plans to attack Big Mom while Pekoms is still loyal to her]].
* Jossed for now. The other members acknowledge him as one of their own when he meets up with them again.
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[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
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* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.
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* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.Sanji.
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
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[[WMG: There will be Yonji x Purin instead]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
[[WMG:Purin will join the Straw Hats (or the Grand Fleet)]]
She'll fall in love with Sanji, but realize that there's no way to convince Sanji to stay with her. So she'll take another option; if she can't convince Sanji to stay, she will either go with him so they can remain together, or join the Grand Fleet so they can leave on good terms but still see each other again from time to time.
** Completely and entirely Jossed: [[spoiler:As of chapter 850, Pudding has revealed herself to be just as sadistic as her mother, if not more than her, by harming Reiju and declaring her intentions to murder her, Sanji, the rest of the Vinsmokes, and the Straw Hats.]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
[[WMG:Purin will join the Straw Hats (or the Grand Fleet)]]
She'll fall in love with Sanji, but realize that there's no way to convince Sanji to stay with her. So she'll take another option; if she can't convince Sanji to stay, she will either go with him so they can remain together, or join the Grand Fleet so they can leave on good terms but still see each other again from time to time.
** Completely and entirely Jossed: [[spoiler:As of chapter 850, Pudding has revealed herself to be just as sadistic as her mother, if not more than her, by harming Reiju and declaring her intentions to murder her, Sanji, the rest of the Vinsmokes, and the Straw Hats.]]
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He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
[[WMG:Purin will join the Straw Hats (or the Grand Fleet)]]
She'll fall in love with Sanji, but realize that there's no way to convince Sanji to stay with her. So she'll take another option; if she can't convince Sanji to stay, she will either go with him so they can remain together, or join the Grand Fleet so they can leave on good terms but still see each other again from time to time.
** Completely and entirely Jossed: [[spoiler:As of chapter 850, Pudding has revealed herself to be just as sadistic as her mother, if not more than her, by harming Reiju and declaring her intentions to murder her, Sanji, the rest of the Vinsmokes, and the Straw Hats.]]
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her Her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.husband.
[[WMG: Pudding will end up falling for Niji]]
Bitch and Asshole, the ultimate bombastic couple. I support this guess by Ichiji's [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_839_11#gohere comment]] and Pudding's recent [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_851_7#gohere rant]] (middle panel).
* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.
[[WMG: Ichiji is an item with Pudding and they're planning on betraying their families]]
What if Ichiji and Pudding already met somewhere/know each other, are a couple, and brought up the idea of this alliance to their parents for the sake of seizing power from both of them? We actually don't know much about Ichiji yet but he seems like a cunning guy.
** Seems to be jossed.
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
[[WMG: There will be Yonji x Purin instead]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.
[[WMG: Pudding will end up falling for Niji]]
Bitch and Asshole, the ultimate bombastic couple. I support this guess by Ichiji's [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_839_11#gohere comment]] and Pudding's recent [[http://www.manga3.net/Reader/One_Piece_851_7#gohere rant]] (middle panel).
* Seems Jossed. She falls for Sanji himself for real eventually. Even though it's technically still possible, I doubt Oda would go there at this point.
[[WMG: Ichiji is an item with Pudding and they're planning on betraying their families]]
What if Ichiji and Pudding already met somewhere/know each other, are a couple, and brought up the idea of this alliance to their parents for the sake of seizing power from both of them? We actually don't know much about Ichiji yet but he seems like a cunning guy.
** Seems to be jossed.
[[WMG: Capone will eventually get a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment if not a genuine HeelFaceTurn]]
We've seen that not only he's married one of Big Mom's daughters during the timeskip, they even have a baby. In his current mindset, Capone may see him as just another means to an end, further strengthening his ties with Big Mom and reinforcing himself. After a (predictable) failure against the Straw Hats, however, Big Mom will be furious and that will put even the baby's life in jeopardy, with Capone realizing he put even the life of his infant son behind his hunger for power.
* Well, turns out later that he's [[spoiler: been planning to kill Big Mom anyway since he married Chiffon so time will tell]].
* Jossed. That's not really how things are. As mentioned, he was always planning to kill Big Mom and Chiffon was always in on it. He also has always genuinely loved his son.
[[WMG: There will be Yonji x Purin instead]]
He looked similar enough to Sanji. It'll probably be a quick progress in the relationship like Baby5 x Sai.
* Seems possible for two main reasons now; Big Mom wants one of her daughters to marry a Vinsmoke, and Sanji wants to return to the crew. So, if Sanji gets away successfully, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Yonji or one of the other brothers would marry her instead.
* Well, they could fall in love, but Vinsmoke Judge makes it clear that he refuses to let any of his other sons marry into Big Mom's family.
* Also, Yonji is an asshole...
* ... But then it turns out [[spoiler: Pudding is ALSO an asshole. It would be a match made in heaven (hell?) if it weren't for the fact that she plans on killing all of the Vinsmokes. So probably Jossed for now.]]
* Funnily enough, Yonji ''does'' say that he wouldn't mind marrying Pudding after he sees how attractive she is...
* Jossed for sure now. Pudding eventually firmly commits to Sanji.
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.husband.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
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** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.husband.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Big Mom used to be [[IWasQuiteALooker a beautiful woman/girl]]]]
Maybe not even far from Sanji's imagination. She became the current abomination due to her [[ExplosiveBreeder multiple pregnancies]] and her penchant for sweets (maybe she's even diabetic?). It is a known fact that pregnancy changes the body and being a mother to 85 children might have done just that. [[BeyondTheImpossible A woman in real life wouldn't be able to survive a 1/4 that number]]. Also, she may've become sweets obsessed (another plot point for TroubledBackstoryFlashback) because she needed the energy to keep on going with so many pregnancies
* Bonus points if Big Mom, in her youth, looked and dressed much like Nami looks now, considering Big Mom's Vivre Card causes the Homies to defer to Nami as Big Mom.
* Jossed.
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* Jossed, that's not how it turns out.
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* Jossed, that's not how it turns out.out.
[[WMG: Big Mom's backstory...]]
Charlotte Lin Lin was an [[TheIdealist idealistic]] [[IWasQuiteALooker pretty girl]] who believed in the PowerOfLove (Some traits retained in her daughter Purin) and thus she went off to the great seas (or even eloped) in search of her TrueLove. Unfortunately, her partner/husband came to be a total {{Jerkass}} and either went off with another woman and left her alone with many children or did other bad things to her. This made poor Linlin turn into a woman we see today - a controlling mafia matron who won't accept any refusals without bloody revenge ([[TruthinTelevision it's not unheard of women from past violent relationships to turn controlling and domineering in order to mask their insecurities]])
** Chapter 829 also shows that she's got an eating disorder - while obviously exaggerated here, it's something that sadly exists in reality, and some tragedy in Big Mom's past may have caused it.
** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
[[WMG: Big Mom's backstory...]]
Charlotte Lin Lin was an [[TheIdealist idealistic]] [[IWasQuiteALooker pretty girl]] who believed in the PowerOfLove (Some traits retained in her daughter Purin) and thus she went off to the great seas (or even eloped) in search of her TrueLove. Unfortunately, her partner/husband came to be a total {{Jerkass}} and either went off with another woman and left her alone with many children or did other bad things to her. This made poor Linlin turn into a woman we see today - a controlling mafia matron who won't accept any refusals without bloody revenge ([[TruthinTelevision it's not unheard of women from past violent relationships to turn controlling and domineering in order to mask their insecurities]])
** Chapter 829 also shows that she's got an eating disorder - while obviously exaggerated here, it's something that sadly exists in reality, and some tragedy in Big Mom's past may have caused it.
** Jossed. For one thing, she was ''never'' attractive... maybe she was UglyCute in a way as a kid, but really, she's been an enormous behemoth since birth. And her StartOfDarkness was actually in childhood, long before she ever took her first husband.
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* Jossed. She's not a giantess and she wasn't one of Elbaf's warriors. You ''could'' say that she "broke their code" in a technical sense though, seeing as how she broke their ceremonial fast and slaughtered a whole village of them.
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* Jossed. She's not a giantess and she wasn't one of Elbaf's warriors. You ''could'' say that she "broke their code" in a technical sense though, seeing as how she broke their ceremonial fast and slaughtered a whole village of them.them.
[[WMG: Big Mom is not an actual person...but a corpse, brought back to life from eating the Soul-Soul Fruit, provided by Mother Caramel who feed her it.]]
We have seen devil fruits being used on all kinds of weird things (animals, guns, swords...) so the idea of a one being used on a corpse isn't that far-fetched, especially when something known as the "Soul-Soul" fruit is involved.
At some point in time, may it be in early or late childhood or at any point in the timeline before her piracy, Big Mom got resurrected by Mother Caramel who feed her corpse with the fruit for whatever reason, may it be an emotional one or otherwise, (Considering that Mother Caramel is dressed as a nun, the idea leans towards Big Mom once upon a time being an orphan at a orphanage, living in a "family" with the other orphans and seeing Mother Caramel as a "mother figure". Her past as a nameless orphan might be what makes discussing Mother Caramel in the present such a sensible and taboo-ridden topic for her, as it would ruin her image as a Yonko if such a backstory came out.) The point here, is that at one point, Big Mom died and Mother Caramel used a devil fruit stored away in the orphanage in order to resurrect her, knowing fully well what the devil fruit was and what it did. (May it be the appearance of the fruit and its effects being known akin to how everyone discovered the Fire-Fire fruit after Ace's...baton pass...off it.) However, in order to bring Big Mom back to life, the fruit could have stolen the life-force of the closest living being in her surroundings in order to kick-start the spark of life in the corpse and make it a homie...which would most likely be Mother Caramel who would have been the one closest to her after feeding the fruit to the corpse. Upon learning what had happened, Big Mom snapped a little, brought back to to the living, and in her madness, silenced the rest of the orphans who came asking after Caramel, further extending her lifespan in the process. Due to her dying, her mind lost the ability to mature, in contrast with her body, which left her with plenty of her more childish traits intact, leading to the creation of Totland (which appears as if it came straight from a lot of fairy tales aimed for chidlren) and her massive sweet tooth along with her selfish tendencies with carried over through her life. She's essentially, in accordance with this theory, a big PsychopathicManchild, stuck in the body of a corpse that can age, and can't let go or outgrow her past.
* Jossed, that's not how it turns out.
[[WMG: Big Mom is not an actual person...but a corpse, brought back to life from eating the Soul-Soul Fruit, provided by Mother Caramel who feed her it.]]
We have seen devil fruits being used on all kinds of weird things (animals, guns, swords...) so the idea of a one being used on a corpse isn't that far-fetched, especially when something known as the "Soul-Soul" fruit is involved.
At some point in time, may it be in early or late childhood or at any point in the timeline before her piracy, Big Mom got resurrected by Mother Caramel who feed her corpse with the fruit for whatever reason, may it be an emotional one or otherwise, (Considering that Mother Caramel is dressed as a nun, the idea leans towards Big Mom once upon a time being an orphan at a orphanage, living in a "family" with the other orphans and seeing Mother Caramel as a "mother figure". Her past as a nameless orphan might be what makes discussing Mother Caramel in the present such a sensible and taboo-ridden topic for her, as it would ruin her image as a Yonko if such a backstory came out.) The point here, is that at one point, Big Mom died and Mother Caramel used a devil fruit stored away in the orphanage in order to resurrect her, knowing fully well what the devil fruit was and what it did. (May it be the appearance of the fruit and its effects being known akin to how everyone discovered the Fire-Fire fruit after Ace's...baton pass...off it.) However, in order to bring Big Mom back to life, the fruit could have stolen the life-force of the closest living being in her surroundings in order to kick-start the spark of life in the corpse and make it a homie...which would most likely be Mother Caramel who would have been the one closest to her after feeding the fruit to the corpse. Upon learning what had happened, Big Mom snapped a little, brought back to to the living, and in her madness, silenced the rest of the orphans who came asking after Caramel, further extending her lifespan in the process. Due to her dying, her mind lost the ability to mature, in contrast with her body, which left her with plenty of her more childish traits intact, leading to the creation of Totland (which appears as if it came straight from a lot of fairy tales aimed for chidlren) and her massive sweet tooth along with her selfish tendencies with carried over through her life. She's essentially, in accordance with this theory, a big PsychopathicManchild, stuck in the body of a corpse that can age, and can't let go or outgrow her past.
* Jossed, that's not how it turns out.
