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Of the people we see interact with Vera, all of them significant enough to have names, have pre-existing knowledge of Elliot’s multiple personalities. Of all the people to take him down, its Elliot’s psychiatrist which finally stabs him, which has a lot of symbolic significance.

He goes down in the same episode Elliot comes to terms with his past trauma. This is also the same episode where Mr. Robot says: “I cant protect you anymore.” and walks out.

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Of the people we see interact with Vera, all of them significant enough to have names, have pre-existing knowledge of Elliot’s multiple personalities. Of all the people to take him down, its it's Elliot’s psychiatrist which who finally stabs him, which has a lot of symbolic significance.

He goes down in the same episode Elliot comes to terms with his past trauma. This is also the same episode where Mr. Robot says: “I cant can't protect you anymore.” and walks out.



What likely happened: Elliot was already psychologically breaking from getting molested by his dad. At the time his personalities came into existence, Vera beat his dad to near death with a baseball bat. Realizing he could be criminally liable for the damage, Mr. Robot took over and jumped out the window. This ensured any story told to police couldnt stick.

Elliot could claim he was pushed out the window by his dad. His dad couldnt claim Elliot attack randomly attacked him because that story wouldnt explain Elliot falling out the window.

Darlene’s story suggests she didnt know their dad was molesting Elliot.

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What likely happened: Elliot was already psychologically breaking from getting molested by his dad. At the time his personalities came into existence, Vera beat his dad to near death with a baseball bat. Realizing he could be criminally liable for the damage, Mr. Robot took over and jumped out the window. This ensured any story told to police couldnt couldn't stick.

Elliot could claim he was pushed out the window by his dad. His dad couldnt claim Elliot attack randomly attacked him because that story wouldnt wouldn't explain Elliot falling out the window.

Darlene’s story suggests she didnt didn't know their dad was molesting Elliot.



Fast forward to the “Im sick” announcement Elliot’s dad made. It wasnt cancer. He was trying to explain his abuse to his son. When we finally see the dad die in the theater, it was the Vera personality who poisoned him. It was also the Vera personality that casually walked away.

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Fast forward to the “Im “I'm sick” announcement Elliot’s dad made. It wasnt wasn't cancer. He was trying to explain his abuse to his son. When we finally see the dad die in the theater, it was the Vera personality who poisoned him. It was also the Vera personality that casually walked away.



Fast forward to Vera’s return and Darlene’s “Who are you?” question. Darlene either already knew about the Vera personality, and she asked that question to Elliot, who hade much different behavior. Or... she didnt know about Vera, and noticed Elliot was neither acting like himself, nor Mr. Robot.

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Fast forward to Vera’s return and Darlene’s “Who are you?” question. Darlene either already knew about the Vera personality, and she asked that question to Elliot, who hade had much different behavior. Or... she didnt didn't know about Vera, and noticed Elliot was neither acting like himself, nor Mr. Robot.



Will Elliot live? Probably not. The other two personalities conveniently disappearing after the fight with White Rose would be too cheesy. Its also hard to imagine an epilogue where Elliot is suddenly “just ok” without some sort of goal to pursue.

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Will Elliot live? Probably not. The other two personalities conveniently disappearing after the fight with White Rose would be too cheesy. Its It's also hard to imagine an epilogue where Elliot is suddenly “just ok” without some sort of goal to pursue.



“WHAAAAT?”

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“WHAAAAT?”
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A contract company with ambiguous ties with the military, works on a memory manipulation drug. The drug can cause a middle east vet to forget a PTSD-inducing event and the deaths of multiple associates. In some cases, the characters seem to adopt nearly separate identities.

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A contract company with ambiguous ties with the military, works on a memory manipulation drug. The drug can cause a middle east Middle East vet to forget a PTSD-inducing event and the deaths of multiple associates. In some cases, the characters seem to adopt nearly separate identities.



If you count Elliot, then we’re up to three dual-personality characters; but Elliot doesnt fit the Whiterose / Geist comparison as cleanely.

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If you count Elliot, then we’re up to three dual-personality characters; but Elliot doesnt doesn't fit the Whiterose / Geist comparison as cleanely.
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Its made pretty clear Elliot’s parents were awful, and Elliot is a very unreliable narrator (explained by the memory manipulation drugs). He could have imagined his dad’s shop, in place of a military lab. He could have even imagined his dad. He didn’t react emotionally to his dad’s death. This could have been the chemicals, or darker still... he fit the ‘dad’ personna to whichever lab member happened to be with him at the time.

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Its It is made pretty clear Elliot’s parents were awful, and Elliot is a very unreliable narrator (explained by the memory manipulation drugs). He could have imagined his dad’s shop, in place of a military lab. He could have even imagined his dad. He didn’t react emotionally to his dad’s death. This could have been the chemicals, or darker still... he fit the ‘dad’ personna persona to whichever lab member happened to be with him at the time.

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[[WMG: The third personality is the real Elliot]]
The Elliot we've been following is another fabrication of the original Elliot. The abuse he suffered as a child forced his mind to give him an "out" and thus we have Mr. Robot... and the Elliot we have (as well as the images of Elliot's mom and his younger self).
It could explain why our Elliot keeps forgetting things that even Mr. Robot didn't force him to forget. Like forgetting Darlene is his sister (something that apparently had happened before).
Also in the latest episodes, Elliot's personas talk about this mysterious third personality as if he's a child that hasn't come out in years.
It may seem out there but just maybe...

** This was pretty much it.



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[[WMG: The third personality is the real Elliot]]
The Elliot we've been following is another fabrication of the original Elliot. The abuse he suffered as a child forced his mind to give him an "out" and thus we have Mr. Robot... and the Elliot we have (as well as the images of Elliot's mom and his younger self).
It could explain why our Elliot keeps forgetting things that even Mr. Robot didn't force him to forget. Like forgetting Darlene is his sister (something that apparently had happened before).
Also in the latest episodes, Elliot's personas talk about this mysterious third personality as if he's a child that hasn't come out in years.
It may seem out there but just maybe...

** This was pretty much it.

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[[spoiler: Jossed. Vera is a separate person.]]

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He doesn't interact with any member of the main cast other than Elliot [[spoiler:outside of a drug withdrawal-induced hallucination]], and seems to have a [[Film/FightClub Tyler Durden]]-esque single minded violent hatred towards his target of the week. Like Tyler, he's the hacker equivalent of a pure id. And Elliot has a noted, self-admitted history of delusion.

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He doesn't interact with any member of the main cast other than Elliot [[spoiler:outside outside of a drug withdrawal-induced hallucination]], hallucination, and seems to have a [[Film/FightClub Tyler Durden]]-esque single minded violent hatred towards his target of the week. Like Tyler, he's the hacker equivalent of a pure id. And Elliot has a noted, self-admitted history of delusion.



* In Episode 8, Mr. Robot is revealed to be [[spoiler: Elliot's father, who as far as we know is deceased.]] Whether or not he actually is real or a hallucination still hasn't been answered.
** [[spoiler: Mr. Robot could also look completely different and be suffering the same image replacement quirk as the E(vil) Corp logo]]
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* In Episode 8, Mr. Robot is revealed to be [[spoiler: Elliot's father, who as far as we know is deceased.]] deceased. Whether or not he actually is real or a hallucination still hasn't been answered.
** [[spoiler: Mr. Robot could also look completely different and be suffering the same image replacement quirk as the E(vil) Corp logo]]
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Both of them have someone they really really want gone. Vera double-crossed Elliot by [[spoiler: killing Shayla before the jailbreak ever happened]], and Scott has managed to one-up Tyrell in every interaction they've had so far. Tyrell will unknowingly provide the "way in" for Elliot and fsociety to vanquish E Corp forever, but in doing so he will offer to use his money and connections to have Vera tracked down if Elliot will agree to dig up as much dirt as he can on Scott in order to utterly ruin him.
** [[spoiler: They are allied, but for all the wrong reasons. Tyrell sought out Elliot after being fired by Evil Corp, and now seems to want to take part in the attack for purposes of revenge.]]

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Both of them have someone they really really want gone. Vera double-crossed Elliot by [[spoiler: killing Shayla before the jailbreak ever happened]], happened, and Scott has managed to one-up Tyrell in every interaction they've had so far. Tyrell will unknowingly provide the "way in" for Elliot and fsociety to vanquish E Corp forever, but in doing so he will offer to use his money and connections to have Vera tracked down if Elliot will agree to dig up as much dirt as he can on Scott in order to utterly ruin him.
** [[spoiler: They are allied, but for all the wrong reasons. Tyrell sought out Elliot after being fired by Evil Corp, and now seems to want to take part in the attack for purposes of revenge.]]
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It sounds insane, but hear it out to the end. This theory surfaced on the Mr Robot subreddit. The idea is that along the line of themes present in the show (like Elliot's tech billionnaire persona from eps1.4_3xpl0its.wmv), Sam Esmail himself is a fictious character being adopted as a pen name by some other, more experienced director. He is a relatively unknown director with little previous work who comes out with a smash hit series. His wikipedia entry is scarce on information, which could be falsified. Public appearances could be explained with a hired actor. Also, his name is an anagram of Mass Email. So the last one is stretching it, and all of the evidence is cirucmstantial at best, but the biggest hint is the show itself. If any show would do it, it's this one. Some have pointed out he has a girlfriend who has been active on Instagram for a while, but she also happens to be an actor. ''She could be in on the identity ruse.''

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It sounds insane, but hear it out to the end. This theory surfaced on the Mr Robot subreddit. The idea is that along the line of themes present in the show (like Elliot's tech billionnaire persona from eps1.4_3xpl0its.wmv), Sam Esmail himself is a fictious character being adopted as a pen name by some other, more experienced director. He is a relatively unknown director with little previous work who comes out with a smash hit series. His wikipedia entry is scarce on information, which could be falsified. Public appearances could be explained with a hired actor. Also, his name is an anagram of Mass Email. So the last one is stretching it, and all of the evidence is cirucmstantial circumstantial at best, but the biggest hint is the show itself. If any show would do it, it's this one. Some have pointed out he has a girlfriend who has been active on Instagram for a while, but she also happens to be an actor. ''She could be in on the identity ruse.''



Everyone in fsociety immediately accepts Elliot into their group with no distrust or question. He is treated with a respect that no one else in fsociety is treated with. When fsociety is to meet with White Rose, the leader of the Dark Army, Darlene and Mr. Robot know immediately that Elliot is the one she wants to meet. Why would a leader - a leader who meticulously manages her time, no less - meet with a mook? Given the WhamEpisode that revealed [[spoiler:Elliot has severe gaps in memory, including forgetting his own family members]], is it really that far-fetched that he possibly founded fsociety [[spoiler:with his Dad and sister and forgot it]] as a security measure?
* [[spoiler: CONFIRMED, though only with his sister, since his dad wasn't real. Darlene outright says as much on the train after TheReveal.]]

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Everyone in fsociety immediately accepts Elliot into their group with no distrust or question. He is treated with a respect that no one else in fsociety is treated with. When fsociety is to meet with White Rose, the leader of the Dark Army, Darlene and Mr. Robot know immediately that Elliot is the one she wants to meet. Why would a leader - a leader who meticulously manages her time, no less - meet with a mook? Given the WhamEpisode that revealed [[spoiler:Elliot Elliot has severe gaps in memory, including forgetting his own family members]], members, is it really that far-fetched that he possibly founded fsociety [[spoiler:with with his Dad and sister and forgot it]] it as a security measure?
* [[spoiler: CONFIRMED, though only with his sister, since his dad wasn't real. Darlene outright says as much on the train after TheReveal.]]
TheReveal.



It would certainly explain ''a lot''. Ollie goes out of his way to try to make sure "things are cool" between him and Elliot. If Elliot were just the UnluckyChildhoodFriend at best or AbhorrentAdmirer at worst, why would he go so far to try to be friends with him, even if it were for Angela's sake if they had only ever been friends? It would also explain why Angela sounded so relived to see Shayla in his bed - she's glad to see he's showing signs of normalcy and moving on. This would also explain the parts of Elliot's MushroomSamba where he proposes to Angela and later sees himself wearing a tuxedo and Angela wearing a wedding dress. Furthermore, it would explain Darlene [[spoiler:saying "you're family" to Angela]], and why the two of them have some bit of tension between them despite being worried of Elliot's safety and well-being. Given Elliot's deteriorating mental state and refusal to take his medicine, it would (sadly) make sense for Angela to separate from him for her own good.

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It would certainly explain ''a lot''. Ollie goes out of his way to try to make sure "things are cool" between him and Elliot. If Elliot were just the UnluckyChildhoodFriend at best or AbhorrentAdmirer at worst, why would he go so far to try to be friends with him, even if it were for Angela's sake if they had only ever been friends? It would also explain why Angela sounded so relived to see Shayla in his bed - she's glad to see he's showing signs of normalcy and moving on. This would also explain the parts of Elliot's MushroomSamba where he proposes to Angela and later sees himself wearing a tuxedo and Angela wearing a wedding dress. Furthermore, it would explain Darlene [[spoiler:saying saying "you're family" to Angela]], Angela, and why the two of them have some bit of tension between them despite being worried of Elliot's safety and well-being. Given Elliot's deteriorating mental state and refusal to take his medicine, it would (sadly) make sense for Angela to separate from him for her own good.



He's actually [[spoiler: another one of Elliot's alters/hallucinations.]] The men in black who have been following Elliot since the beginning of the show are actually Tyrell's men -- they were only looking after their wayward employer. This would explain why they constantly refer to [[spoiler: Elliot]] as "sir" when they pick him up, and seem to treat him with deference. It would also account for why Joanna, Tyrell's wife, seemed so distressed over [[spoiler: Elliot not being able to understand her native language.]] And it's why he [[spoiler: fears/senses that she's aware of his imaginary friend.]] She is. His wife and his lackeys are simply indulging him when he's not "at home," so to speak.

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He's actually [[spoiler: another one of Elliot's alters/hallucinations.]] alters/hallucinations. The men in black who have been following Elliot since the beginning of the show are actually Tyrell's men -- they were only looking after their wayward employer. This would explain why they constantly refer to [[spoiler: Elliot]] Elliot as "sir" when they pick him up, and seem to treat him with deference. It would also account for why Joanna, Tyrell's wife, seemed so distressed over [[spoiler: Elliot not being able to understand her native language.]] language. And it's why he [[spoiler: fears/senses that she's aware of his imaginary friend.]] friend. She is. His wife and his lackeys are simply indulging him when he's not "at home," so to speak.



They are in fact [[spoiler: part of the Chinese government]], and five/nine is one step in a global power play on their part. Given that Whiterose is in fact [[spoiler:the Chinese Minister of State Security]], she would be in a prime position to "recruit" the best hackers from the country's underworld and arrange them into a group that could [[spoiler: easily pose as an amoral group of mercenary hackers allied with fsociety for reasons unclear]]. The attack on the FBI is to keep them off Dark Army's scent as long as possible to ensure the next step(s) go off without interference. Her "alliance" with Evil Corp is meant to destablize the American economy [[spoiler:in order to remove competition to the Chinese markets]].

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They are in fact [[spoiler: part of the Chinese government]], government, and five/nine is one step in a global power play on their part. Given that Whiterose is in fact [[spoiler:the the Chinese Minister of State Security]], Security, she would be in a prime position to "recruit" the best hackers from the country's underworld and arrange them into a group that could [[spoiler: easily pose as an amoral group of mercenary hackers allied with fsociety for reasons unclear]].unclear. The attack on the FBI is to keep them off Dark Army's scent as long as possible to ensure the next step(s) go off without interference. Her "alliance" with Evil Corp is meant to destablize the American economy [[spoiler:in in order to remove competition to the Chinese markets]].markets.



Why is the Dark Army so fanatically driven to sow chaos on a global scale? What exactly is Whiterose's pet project she keeps alluding to? After three seasons, Whiterose and the Dark Army's motivations are still obscure, for the most part. Or are they? Think about it. Whiterose is obsessed with time, and later tearfully confesses to Dom her fascination with the concept of alternate realities. In the season three premiere, a scientist giving a tour at the Washington Township power plant also expresses a fascination with alternate realities right as Whiterose is walking by. Season three is loaded with hints indicating that this is the case: [[spoiler: Angela's deranged belief that helping Whiterose will bring her mother, Elliot's father and all the people who died in Stage 2 back to life and that time his literally going in reverse; Whiterose telling Grant, right before he kills himself, that she'll find him once her work is complete; the ''Superman'' time-reversal reference as Elliot undoes the Five/Nine hack;]] all of the ''Back to the Future'' references. This would explain the Dark Army's fanatical loyalty to Whiterose, and why she's fixated on the Washington Township plant, which houses a machine resembling a Large Hadron Collider.

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Why is the Dark Army so fanatically driven to sow chaos on a global scale? What exactly is Whiterose's pet project she keeps alluding to? After three seasons, Whiterose and the Dark Army's motivations are still obscure, for the most part. Or are they? Think about it. Whiterose is obsessed with time, and later tearfully confesses to Dom her fascination with the concept of alternate realities. In the season three premiere, a scientist giving a tour at the Washington Township power plant also expresses a fascination with alternate realities right as Whiterose is walking by. Season three is loaded with hints indicating that this is the case: [[spoiler: Angela's deranged belief that helping Whiterose will bring her mother, Elliot's father and all the people who died in Stage 2 back to life and that time his literally going in reverse; Whiterose telling Grant, right before he kills himself, that she'll find him once her work is complete; the ''Superman'' time-reversal reference as Elliot undoes the Five/Nine hack;]] hack; all of the ''Back to the Future'' references. This would explain the Dark Army's fanatical loyalty to Whiterose, and why she's fixated on the Washington Township plant, which houses a machine resembling a Large Hadron Collider.
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Whiterose’s machine actually worked as it was intended to, despite being shut down at the last minute. Before the machine completely exploded, it transferred one living being to an alternate world. That living being was Qwerty, Elliot’s pet goldfish. Qwerty now lives in an alternate reality, where his fishbowl sits next to a window of the street, where he enjoys it in his last years alive.

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Whiterose’s machine actually worked as it was intended to, despite being shut down at the last minute. Before the machine completely exploded, it transferred one living being to an alternate world. That living being was Qwerty, Elliot’s pet goldfish. Qwerty now lives in an alternate reality, where his fishbowl sits next to a window of the street, where he enjoys it in the view until his last years alive.
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Echoes of that universe's dying moments reverbered throughout other planes of existence. A few of those conceptual shards hit the brain of a certain Sam Esmail in this universe. Think somethink like the ending of ''{{ComicBook/Irredeemable}}''.

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Echoes of that universe's dying moments reverbered throughout other planes of existence. A few of those conceptual shards hit the brain of a certain Sam Esmail in this universe. Think somethink like the ending of ''{{ComicBook/Irredeemable}}''.''{{ComicBook/Irredeemable}}''.

[[WMG: Whiterose’s machine worked, but only one being transferred.]]
Whiterose’s machine actually worked as it was intended to, despite being shut down at the last minute. Before the machine completely exploded, it transferred one living being to an alternate world. That living being was Qwerty, Elliot’s pet goldfish. Qwerty now lives in an alternate reality, where his fishbowl sits next to a window of the street, where he enjoys it in his last years alive.

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[[WMG: Elliot’s third personality is Flip McVicker.]]

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[[WMG: Elliot’s third personality is [[WesternAnimation/BoJackHorseman Flip McVicker.]]McVicker]].]]

[[WMG: The show's universe was [[RealLife real]], and Whiterose's machine triggered its ApocalypseHow/ClassZ annihilation]]
Echoes of that universe's dying moments reverbered throughout other planes of existence. A few of those conceptual shards hit the brain of a certain Sam Esmail in this universe. Think somethink like the ending of ''{{ComicBook/Irredeemable}}''.
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Jossed, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen sadly]].

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** [[spoiler:I was right!]]


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from the after effects of the nuclear meltdown that the lead room partially protected him from

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[[WMG: Elliot’s third personality is Flip McVicker.]]
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[[WMG: Vera has been stalking and keeping an eye on Elliot throughout the series. Which is why he returned in "shutdown-r".]]

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[[WMG: Vera has been stalking and keeping an eye on Elliot throughout the series. Which is why he returned in "shutdown-r".]]]]

[[WMG: The finale will be Elliot trying to wake Elliot up so he can die]]
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[[WMG: The third personality is the real Elliot]]
The Elliot we've been following is another fabrication of the original Elliot. The abuse he suffered as a child forced his mind to give him an "out" and thus we have Mr. Robot... and the Elliot we have (as well as the images of Elliot's mom and his younger self).
It could explain why our Elliot keeps forgetting things that even Mr. Robot didn't force him to forget. Like forgetting Darlene is his sister (something that apparently had happened before).
Also in the latest episodes, Elliot's personas talk about this mysterious third personality as if he's a child that hasn't come out in years.
It may seem out there but just maybe...

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