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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in ''Film/CityOfAngels'', ''Film/Mandy2018'', ''Film/DriveAngry'', and the ''Film/GhostRider'' movies]]

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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in ''Film/CityOfAngels'', ''Film/Mandy2018'', ''Film/DriveAngry'', and the ''Film/GhostRider'' movies]]
''Film/GhostRiderDuology'']]



So now comes the ''Film/GhostRider'' films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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So now comes the ''Film/GhostRider'' films.''Film/GhostRiderDuology''. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.
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Only this time, the creepy cult fucked with the [[TheBerserker wrong guy]]

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Only this time, the creepy cult [[MuggingTheMonster fucked with the with]] [[TheBerserker the wrong guy]]
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[[WMG: The film takes place in the same universe as {{Film/Hereditary}} [[spoiler: [[WildMassGuessing and]] {{Film/Midsommar}}]]]]

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[[WMG: The film takes place in the same universe as {{Film/Hereditary}} ''{{Film/Hereditary}}'' [[spoiler: [[WildMassGuessing and]] {{Film/Midsommar}}]]]]''{{Film/Midsommar}}'']]]]



[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton Red Miller.

This leads to Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[EscapedFromHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, ''Film/CityOfAngels'', ''Film/Mandy2018'', ''Film/DriveAngry'', and the Film/GhostRider ''Film/GhostRider'' movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, ''Film/CityOfAngels'', Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton Red Miller.

This leads to Film/Mandy2018.''Film/Mandy2018''. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

Thus follows Film/DriveAngry.''Film/DriveAngry''. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[EscapedFromHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.



So now comes the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.

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So now comes the Film/GhostRider ''Film/GhostRider'' films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, ''Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance'', he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.
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The man is responsible for the creation of the Black Skulls through just a "taste" of his LSD (possibly a case of GoMadFromTheRevelation), Jeramiah was a musician before "hearing the voice of god telling him to leave that life behind" and he obviously knows the Chemist personally (a case of gods words being intentionally misinterpreted into something sinister); after tasting the LSD Red knows exactly where to find the Chemist and this is where it gets weird.

The Chemist takes his own LSD very casually (having none of the side effects that others had) and seemingly knows exactly what Red is feeling, what he's thinking and what he wants just by looking at him (you cant even say it was body language, Red is perfectly still the entire time). Upon seeing that Jeramiah has irreversibly hurt Red he quite literally releases the beast from its cage, in this case the beast was a tiger, passing by and being released from Creator/NicolasCage and symbolically giving him permission (and possibly the strength) to enact revenge on the cult.

He is an AllPowerfullBystander who is only seen when he wants to be seen, can create human angels and demons (Red being the former, Black Skulls being the latter), is seemingly everywhere at once (being mentioned constantly), is able to hear your thoughts, know what you're feeling at any given moment and seems to genuinely care about you.

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The man is responsible for the creation of the Black Skulls through just a "taste" of his LSD (possibly a case of GoMadFromTheRevelation), Jeramiah was a musician before "hearing the voice of god telling him to leave that life behind" and he obviously knows the Chemist personally (a case of gods words being intentionally misinterpreted into something sinister); after tasting the LSD LSD, being possibly symbolic of tasting forbidden knowledge, Red knows exactly where to find the Chemist and this is where it gets weird.

Chemist.

The Chemist takes his own LSD very casually (having none of the side effects that others other people had) and seemingly knows exactly what Red is feeling, what he's thinking and what he wants just by looking at him (you him, you cant even say it was body language, Red is perfectly still the entire time). time. Upon seeing that Jeramiah has irreversibly hurt Red he quite literally releases the beast from its cage, in this case the beast was a tiger, passing by and being released from Creator/NicolasCage (that's right a meta pun!) and symbolically giving him permission (and possibly the strength) to enact revenge on the cult.

He is an AllPowerfullBystander AllPowerfulBystander who is only seen when he wants to be seen, can create human angels and demons (Red being the former, Black Skulls being the latter), is seemingly everywhere at once (being mentioned constantly), is able to hear your thoughts, know what you're feeling at any given moment and seems to genuinely care about you.
you (getting visibly distressed when Red is hurt).
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[[WMG: The Chemist is God in this universe.]]

The man is responsible for the creation of the Black Skulls through just a "taste" of his LSD (possibly a case of GoMadFromTheRevelation), Jeramiah was a musician before "hearing the voice of god telling him to leave that life behind" and he obviously knows the Chemist personally (a case of gods words being intentionally misinterpreted into something sinister); after tasting the LSD Red knows exactly where to find the Chemist and this is where it gets weird.

The Chemist takes his own LSD very casually (having none of the side effects that others had) and seemingly knows exactly what Red is feeling, what he's thinking and what he wants just by looking at him (you cant even say it was body language, Red is perfectly still the entire time). Upon seeing that Jeramiah has irreversibly hurt Red he quite literally releases the beast from its cage, in this case the beast was a tiger, passing by and being released from Creator/NicolasCage and symbolically giving him permission (and possibly the strength) to enact revenge on the cult.

He is an AllPowerfullBystander who is only seen when he wants to be seen, can create human angels and demons (Red being the former, Black Skulls being the latter), is seemingly everywhere at once (being mentioned constantly), is able to hear your thoughts, know what you're feeling at any given moment and seems to genuinely care about you.
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[[WMG: Red is a traumatized war vet.]]
Based on the timeframe of the movie, it's very likely that Red served in Vietnam. With hints of past alcoholism and a seeming dislike of firearms (since his only major weapon is a crossbow), it seems evident that the war messed with Red pretty badly. Mandy may have been the one to be helping him slowly get past his PTSD, and her murder drives him back into a warlike state.
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So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.

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So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.backstory.
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Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell [[EscapedFromHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.
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Last edit. I swear


That's right. We're heading toward Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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That's right. We're heading toward This leads to Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

This leads to Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.



This leads to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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This leads to So now comes the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.
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I wonder if these films would make a good marathon?


The film all-but states that Red was a violent person before he met Mandy, and she helped him become a better person. In the ending, [[spoiler: either her ghost or her memory leads him back out of the hell of violence his revenge dragged him into, sparing him from the same fate as the Black Skulls and allowing him to retain his humanity after ingesting the substance that made them what they are. That hellish alien landscape is behind him now, and the light of her spirit guides him to something better.]]

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The film all-but states that Red was a violent person before he met Mandy, and she helped him become a better person. In the ending, [[spoiler: either her ghost or her memory leads him back out of the hell of violence his revenge dragged him into, sparing him from the same fate as the Black Skulls and allowing him to retain his humanity after ingesting the substance that made them what they are. That hellish alien landscape is behind him now, and the light of her spirit guides him to something better.]]]]

[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton Red Miller.

That's right. We're heading toward Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

This leads to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.
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Only this time, the creepy cult fucked with the [[TheBerserker wrong guy]]

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Only this time, the creepy cult fucked with the [[TheBerserker wrong guy]]guy]]

[[WMG: The ending is symbolic, and represents both Red's past and future.]]
The film all-but states that Red was a violent person before he met Mandy, and she helped him become a better person. In the ending, [[spoiler: either her ghost or her memory leads him back out of the hell of violence his revenge dragged him into, sparing him from the same fate as the Black Skulls and allowing him to retain his humanity after ingesting the substance that made them what they are. That hellish alien landscape is behind him now, and the light of her spirit guides him to something better.]]
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[[WMG: The Cult of Jeremiah is an extension of The Cult of Paimon]]
The movie just became 50 times more cathartic, did it not?

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[[WMG: The Cult of Jeremiah is an extension of The Cult of Paimon]]
The movie just became 50 times more cathartic, did it not?
film takes place in the same universe as {{Film/Hereditary}} [[spoiler: [[WildMassGuessing and]] {{Film/Midsommar}}]]]]
Only this time, the creepy cult fucked with the [[TheBerserker wrong guy]]
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[[WMG: The Cult of Jeremiah is an extension of The Cult of Paimon]]
The movie just became 50 times more cathartic, did it not?

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