History WMG / Joker2019

** However, one major inconsistency remains: the death of the Waynes. In ''Begins'', it was Joe Chill, dressed normally and just wanting Thomas' cash. In ''Joker'' it is still presumably Chill, though he is one of Joker's rioting followers who just shoots them dead out of an EatTheRich philosophy. Although, the film ''is'' still set ThroughTheEyesOfMadness, and thus you experience the same scene through two different viewpoints. Bruce's recalling of the murders is vivid, to the point - grounded and tragic in execution. Arthur's is set in the apex of the chaos, is much more dramatic and abrupt - slower, even, to give a sense of delirium. It is possible that Arthur miscalled the memory of the murder simply because he wasn't there to witness it firsthand, and thus he thinks that Thomas Wayne died in the midst of it as opposed to much later.

** However, one major inconsistency remains: the death of the Waynes. In ''Begins'', it was Joe Chill, dressed normally and just wanting Thomas' cash. In ''Joker'' it is still presumably Chill, though he is one of Joker's rioting followers who just shoots them dead out of an EatTheRich philosophy. Although, the film ''is'' still set ThroughTheEyesOfMadness, and thus you experience the same scene through two different viewpoints. Bruce's recalling of the murders is vivid, to the point - grounded and slow in execution. Arthur's is more abrupt and set in the apex of the chaos, possibly due to his belief that Batman and Joker were made for each other. It is possible that Arthur miscalled the memory of the murder simply because he wasn't there to witness it firsthand, and thus he thinks that Thomas Wayne died in the midst of it as opposed to much later.

!!Pre-release

!!Post-release

Arthur is schizophrenic. He started having bizarre thoughts after the mental program was cut and he was witbout meds. He attacked his mother, but called an ambulance and it was ruled an accident. Then he smothered her in the hospital. This was only found in the autopsy, but it wasn't definitive and two detectives were sent to talk with him. He was arrested after he tried to run away and was hit by a car, was found insane at the hospital, and was sent to Arkham.

** Ah, but Lex Luthor being rich and privileged would work for him as a {{Contrasting Sequel Protagonist}}/{{Contrasting Sequel Villain}}. He can be played sympathetically by taking nods from portrayals such as the Silver Age's Superboy and Lextor (where he becomes a legit hero to a planet, starts a family, only to lose it all in a series of events that significantly include Superman) stories, {{Smallville}}, ''Lex Luthor: Man of Steel'' (calling attention to how terrifing Clark is as both an alien and as something mankind can never reach, show him genuinely caring for his sister Lena, seeking to build the future if only through his way).

[[WMG: Wayne is Arthur's Father.]]

He's way, way too specific in his denial to Arthur in the bathroom. All he has to say is that he never slept with Penny and that would be that. And yet he chooses to layer on the entirely separate and irrelevant detail of him being adopted in addition. Why and how in the hell would the owner and Director of a massive international conglomerate like Wayne Enterprises at all be so aware of the private life of a low-level employee (Wayne hardly even knows or cares about much higher-level people in his company, like the finance professionals Arthur killed), unless he had more to do with her than he's letting on? Furthermore the idea that Penny had a narcissist personality disorder flies in the face of the flashback showing she was battered by her 'boyfriend'. A real narcissist would never take physical abuse lying down as she did, so the medical record and the idea she imagined her relationship with Thomas is immediately suspect.

[[WMG: The Joker from this movie isn't the same one from the other movies.]]

He isn't nearly smart enough. The other, smarter Joker may want people to think they are the same person and so under-estimate his intelligence.

[[WMG: The real reason that Murry invited Arthur on the show.]]

One of them is a blonde woman name Harleen Quinzel.

He's way, way too specific in his denial to Arthur in the bathroom. All he has to say is that he never slept with Penny and that would be that. And yet he chooses to layer on the entirely separate and irrelevant detail of him being adopted in addition. Why and how in the hell would the owner and Director of a massive international conglomerate like Wayne Enterprises at all be so aware of the private life of a low-level employee (Wayne hardly even knows or cares about much higher-level people in his company, like the finance professionals Arthur killed), unless he had more to do with her than he's letting off? Furthermore the idea that Penny was had a narcissist personality disorder flies in the face of the flashback showing she was battered by her 'boyfriend', a real narcissist would never take physical abuse lying down as she did, so the medical record and the idea she imagined her relationship with Thomas is immediately suspect.

He's way, way to specific in his denial to Arthur in the bathroom. All he has to say is that he never slept with Penny and that would be that. And yet he chooses to layer on the entirely separate and irrelevant detail of him being adopted in addition. Why and how in the hell would the owner and Director of a massive international conglomerate like Wayne Enterprises at all be so aware of the private life of a low-level employee (Wayne hardly even knows or cares about much higher-level people in his company, like the finance professionals Arthur killed), unless he had more to do with her than he's letting off? Furthermore the idea that Penny was had a narcissist personality disorder flies in the face of the flashback showing she was battered by her 'boyfriend', a real narcissist would never take physical abuse lying down as she did, so the medical record and the idea she imagined her relationship with Thomas is immediately suspect.

He's way, way to specific in his denial to Arthur in the bathroom. All he has to say is that he never slept with Penny and that would be that. and yet he chooses to layer on the entirely separate and irrelevant detail of him being adopted in addition. Why and how in the hell would the owner and Director of a massive international conglomerate like Wayne Enterprises at all be so aware of the private life of a low-level employee (Wayne hardly even knows or cares about much higher-level people in his company, like the finance professionals Arthur killed), unless he had more to do with her than he's letting off? Furthermore the idea that Penny was had a narcissist personality disorder flies in the face of the flashback showing she was battered by her 'boyfriend', a real narcissist would never take physical abuse lying down as she did, so the medical record and the idea she imagined her relationship with Thomas is immediately suspect.

** Sadly, adoption centers aren't perfect. Even people who obviously shouldn't have children still somehow get to adopt. Same goes for people who are sponsors for foster children.

[[spoiler:This is just her way of breaking up with Arthur. She pretends she doesn't know him and changes her apartment number in order to get rid of him. She is aware of his mental illness and delusions. She wants Arthur to THINK it was all a delusion so he'll go away and move on. She was attracted to his quirkiness at first, but later lost interest.]]