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** Partially confirmed. [[spoiler:There's very pointed shot of a tortoise sculpture in one scene.]]
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** Partially confirmed. [[spoiler:There's very pointed shot of a tortoise sculpture {{sculpture|s}} in one scene.]]
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At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].
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At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of have worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of have believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].
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*** This troper doesn't seen how this is Jossed. But to answer your question, Pennywise HAS been feeding itself while bullying the Losers. In fact, one can arguing Pennywise was using Dean's image to set up and torment Bill by having a proxy of Georgie to connect with (as Bill always felt guilty for not being there for Georgie when he needed him the most), and then luring Bill to the Funhouse out of fear that he wasn't going to save Dean (which in turn would have been CrankedToEleven because he would relate to it due to his past failure with Georgie), and more than likely, to cause Bill to come to him without the Losers, making it easier to pick him off and make the group weaker.
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*** This troper doesn't seen how this is Jossed. But to answer your question, Pennywise HAS been feeding itself while bullying the Losers. In fact, one can arguing Pennywise was using Dean's image to set up and torment Bill by having a proxy of Georgie to connect with (as Bill always felt guilty for not being there for Georgie when he needed him the most), and then luring Bill to the Funhouse out of fear that he wasn't going to save Dean (which in turn would have been CrankedToEleven cranked to eleven because he would relate to it due to his past failure with Georgie), and more than likely, to cause Bill to come to him without the Losers, making it easier to pick him off and make the group weaker.
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*** This troper doesn't seen how this is Jossed. But to answer your question, Pennywise HAS been feeding itself while bullying the Losers. In fact, one can arguing Pennywise was using Dean's image to set up and torment Bill by having a proxy of Georgie, and then luring Bill to the Funhouse out of fear that he wasn't going to save Dean, and more than likely, to cause Bill to come to him without the Losers, making it easier to pick him off and make the group weaker.
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*** This troper doesn't seen how this is Jossed. But to answer your question, Pennywise HAS been feeding itself while bullying the Losers. In fact, one can arguing Pennywise was using Dean's image to set up and torment Bill by having a proxy of Georgie, Georgie to connect with (as Bill always felt guilty for not being there for Georgie when he needed him the most), and then luring Bill to the Funhouse out of fear that he wasn't going to save Dean, Dean (which in turn would have been CrankedToEleven because he would relate to it due to his past failure with Georgie), and more than likely, to cause Bill to come to him without the Losers, making it easier to pick him off and make the group weaker.
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*** This troper doesn't seen how this is Jossed. But to answer your question, Pennywise HAS been feeding itself while bullying the Losers. In fact, one can arguing Pennywise was using Dean's image to set up and torment Bill by having a proxy of Georgie, and then luring Bill to the Funhouse out of fear that he wasn't going to save Dean, and more than likely, to cause Bill to come to him without the Losers, making it easier to pick him off and make the group weaker.
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** Jossed. If you look closely to the bottom right [[https://i.gyazo.com/8937d32b6aac396c22669a6875c7e6c5.mp4 when the glass turns back into a mirror]], you can still see Dean's blood. Besides, shouldn't Pennywise be feeding itself so he doesn't starve instead of spending the entire time just bullying the Losers?
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[[WMG: Dean never really existed. He was just one of It’s illusions and his “death” was intended to provoke Bill into going LeeroyJenkins.]]
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[[WMG: Dean never really existed. He was just one of It’s illusions and his “death” was intended to provoke Bill into going LeeroyJenkins.]]]]
[[WMG: Pennywise was trying [[WoundedGazelleGambit to elicit pity]] in his last moments.]]
Despite being a savage monster, It's final moments are almost pitiable; a baby-like form who's last words are "you're all so grown up". It's possible that, at the end of his ropes and with no hope of frightening or fighting off the Losers, Pennywise attempted an AlasPoorVillain act in hopes [[VillainsWantMercy it would give him mercy]] and he could scamper off, rather than just scream and curse at them or weep and beg to the grave. Obviously it didn't work and they weren't going to spare any mercy on him.
[[WMG: Pennywise was trying [[WoundedGazelleGambit to elicit pity]] in his last moments.]]
Despite being a savage monster, It's final moments are almost pitiable; a baby-like form who's last words are "you're all so grown up". It's possible that, at the end of his ropes and with no hope of frightening or fighting off the Losers, Pennywise attempted an AlasPoorVillain act in hopes [[VillainsWantMercy it would give him mercy]] and he could scamper off, rather than just scream and curse at them or weep and beg to the grave. Obviously it didn't work and they weren't going to spare any mercy on him.
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** I agree with this theory because the movies definitely seem to be implying that Pennywise/Bob Gray was a guy who existed at some point. The fact that IT's default form is a clown, even when it's tangling with full grown adults is pretty conclusive in your favor.
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At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].
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At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].form]].
[[WMG: Dean never really existed. He was just one of It’s illusions and his “death” was intended to provoke Bill into going LeeroyJenkins.]]
[[WMG: Dean never really existed. He was just one of It’s illusions and his “death” was intended to provoke Bill into going LeeroyJenkins.]]
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** Sorta confirmed. The movies version of the smokehole scene features a Native American drug they call the “Holy Maturin.”
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Maybe it's just me, but the way at the end as [[spoiler: It lays dying after the Losers rip out It's heart]] the way It says "Look at you, you're all grown up." It sounded almost like It was telling the Losers It was [[SoProudOfYou PROUD]] of them for finally having the courage to stand up to it and defeated it for good.
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Maybe it's just me, but the way at the end as [[spoiler: It lays dying after the Losers rip out It's heart]] the way It says "Look at you, you're all grown up." It sounded almost like It was telling the Losers It was [[SoProudOfYou PROUD]] of them for finally having the courage to stand up to it and defeated it for good.good.
[[WMG: Bob Gray became the host of IT]]
At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].
[[WMG: Bob Gray became the host of IT]]
At some point years and years ago, IT realised that its shapeshifting gave it the weakness of whatever form it took (As in the book and miniseries), but realised it alot earlier, and somehow it took over and fused with the body of Bob Gray, the original Pennywise, that gave it the immunity to other forms weaknesses but kind made Pennywise its default form, but because it was fused with Pennywise that gave it a [[spoiler: heart that could be destroyed]], The Ritual of Chud [[spoiler: would of worked against IT if it hadn't fused with Pennywise, because the Losers would of believed it worked, as it is implied that when the tribe tried it, they didn't believe enough, but again fusing with Pennywise removed that weakness]] it is also why its final form [[spoiler: still had Pennywise sticking out of it, as Pennywise was now part of it's true form]].
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** Jossed, it's [[spoiler:It]].
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** Jossed, it's [[spoiler:It]].[[spoiler:It]].
[[WMG: It WANTED to lose, either because It's ancient and just wanted to finally die, or because he saw the Losers as [[WorthyOpponent Worthy Opponents]].]]
Maybe it's just me, but the way at the end as [[spoiler: It lays dying after the Losers rip out It's heart]] the way It says "Look at you, you're all grown up." It sounded almost like It was telling the Losers It was [[SoProudOfYou PROUD]] of them for finally having the courage to stand up to it and defeated it for good.
[[WMG: It WANTED to lose, either because It's ancient and just wanted to finally die, or because he saw the Losers as [[WorthyOpponent Worthy Opponents]].]]
Maybe it's just me, but the way at the end as [[spoiler: It lays dying after the Losers rip out It's heart]] the way It says "Look at you, you're all grown up." It sounded almost like It was telling the Losers It was [[SoProudOfYou PROUD]] of them for finally having the courage to stand up to it and defeated it for good.
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** Sort of jossed by changing the why behind Stan's death instead of it being out of fear like it had been. [[spoiler:He leaves letters to the Losers explaining he committed suicide because he knew he was the weakness member of the entire group. He killed himself to remove himself "off the board" for the endgame between the Losers and Pennywise, and to make the group stronger without him.]]
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** Jossed. [[spoiler:He still commits suicide.]]
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** Partially confirmed. [[spoiler:There's very pointed shot of a tortoise sculpture in one scene.]]
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** [[spoiler:Confirmed.]]
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Given that he will once again be TheDragon to Pennywise, he may decide to emulate the clown himself or it may be a side effect of Pennywise’s powers.
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Given that he will once again be TheDragon to Pennywise, he may decide to emulate the clown himself or it may be a side effect of Pennywise’s powers.powers.
** Jossed, it's [[spoiler:It]].
** Jossed, it's [[spoiler:It]].
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[[WMG: The well in the trailers with volcanic shards sticking out of the ground is Pennywise's real lair, and the impact site from when he came to Earth]]
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[[WMG: The well in the trailers with volcanic shards sticking out of the ground is Pennywise's real lair, and the impact site from when he came to Earth]]Earth]]
[[WMG: The man with the Pennywise face in the trailer is Henry.]]
Given that he will once again be TheDragon to Pennywise, he may decide to emulate the clown himself or it may be a side effect of Pennywise’s powers.
[[WMG: The man with the Pennywise face in the trailer is Henry.]]
Given that he will once again be TheDragon to Pennywise, he may decide to emulate the clown himself or it may be a side effect of Pennywise’s powers.
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[[WMG: The well in the trailers with volcanic shards sticking out of the ground is Pennywise's real lair, and the impact site from when he came to Earth]]
[[WMG: The well in the trailers with volcanic shards sticking out of the ground is Pennywise's real lair, and the impact site from when he came to Earth]]
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[[WMG: There will a cameo( or at lest a reference) to [[spoiler:the godly turtle Maturin]]]]
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[[WMG: There will a cameo( or cameo of (or at lest a reference) to reference to) [[spoiler:the godly turtle Maturin]]]]BigGood Outer God, Maturin the turtle.]]]]
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** Quite possibly during the [[spoiler:final showdown with Pennywise]].
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They may try to add in a HopeSpot where [[spoiler:Stan doesn't commit suicide]], but tragedy strikes when [[spoiler:Stan dies regardless]].
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They may try to add in a HopeSpot where [[spoiler:Stan doesn't commit suicide]], but tragedy strikes when [[spoiler:Stan dies regardless]].regardless]].
[[WMG: There will a cameo( or at lest a reference) to [[spoiler:the godly turtle Maturin]]]]
Maybe Bill will tell the gang of the encounter he had from the first film that we never see in a flash back.
[[WMG: There will a cameo( or at lest a reference) to [[spoiler:the godly turtle Maturin]]]]
Maybe Bill will tell the gang of the encounter he had from the first film that we never see in a flash back.
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Both are Creator/StephenKing adaptations that are remake-sequels to previous Stephen King adaptations coming out this year. Also it'd be awesome to see Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Creator/EwanMcGregor in the same scene together as Bill and Danny respectively.
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Both are Creator/StephenKing adaptations that are remake-sequels to previous Stephen King adaptations coming out this year. Also it'd be awesome to see Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Creator/EwanMcGregor in the same scene together as Bill and Danny respectively.respectively.
[[WMG: The film will play around with [[spoiler:Stan's death]]]]
They may try to add in a HopeSpot where [[spoiler:Stan doesn't commit suicide]], but tragedy strikes when [[spoiler:Stan dies regardless]].
[[WMG: The film will play around with [[spoiler:Stan's death]]]]
They may try to add in a HopeSpot where [[spoiler:Stan doesn't commit suicide]], but tragedy strikes when [[spoiler:Stan dies regardless]].
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[[WMG: This film will have a "crossover" scene with Film/DoctorSleep]]
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[[WMG: This film will have a "crossover" scene with Film/DoctorSleep]]
''Film/DoctorSleep'']]
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Both are Stephen King adaptations that are remake-sequels to previous Stephen King adaptations coming out this year. Also it'd be awesome to see James McAvoy Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Ewan McGregor Creator/EwanMcGregor in the same scene together as Bill and Danny respectively.
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Both are Stephen King adaptations that are remake-sequels to previous Stephen King adaptations coming out this year. Also it'd be awesome to see James McAvoy and Ewan McGregor in the same scene together as Bill and Danny respectively.
