History WMG / HazbinHotelTheNatureOfGodHeavenAndHell

[[WMG:Sir Pentious was [[Anime/SherlockHound Professor Moriarty]] when alive]]
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As Hazbin's plot progresses, it's likely that sooner or later the cracks will start to show in Heaven's disguise, and the disguise of our Demiurge character by extension. It'll also be revealed that Lucifer (aka 'Satanael') isn't opposed to Charlie's efforts because he thinks they're fool-hardy; he's secretly terrified that she'll wind up getting herself in trouble with the eldritch WTF [[GrandTheftMe that stole his dad's identity]], and maybe get herself sent to oblivion.

* 1. The soul simply stops existing. (In which case it's a wonder how everyone hasn't committed suicide as an escape if Hell is so horrible).

-->'''Angel Dust''': I will not. You're all Shitty Assholes. You think you so holy and pure because you set up the rules and worded them so perfectly that any interpretation could be the wrong one when really it's your own sick little game. It's not a game. It's our lives! You have your rules, but we didn't get the chance to decide if we wanted to live by them. You get some twisted enjoyment of of manipulating everyone and everything! and guess what? we're now done playing your F!CKED up little game anymore. You're nothing but SICK CONTROL FREAKS! Well, F!CK that and F!CK you! I rather be sent to Hell than Heaven! Heaven is F!CKING the WORST

There could be hundreds of AncientEvils, EldritchAbominations, or dark gods from other mythologies lurking within the outer rings of Hell (Katie Killjoy did allude to there being nine circles). They would almost certainly be BeyondRedemption, and may not even have sentience. And the only reason they haven't completely annihilated all of Hell is because they are either dormant or being held back by some divine or demonic force. It's possible that one of Alastor's last ditch efforts to sabotage the hotel will be to release them to wreak havoc.

[[WMG:Adam is better person that he shows himself]]

Emily is very outspoken against the exterminations once she learns about them, and is very much like-minded with Charlie in regards to the Sinners, to the point of calling Sera out for allowing the exterminations to happen. Sera's only remark though is that its NecessarilyEvil and that they can't challenge the Status Quo lest they fall like Lucifer. As Adam has outlined in front of everyone though that he's gonna start the extermination in a month and target the Hotel first, this sets it up nicely to have Emily intervene in order to protect Charlie and the Hotel members, possibly even strike Adam down herself in a BigDamnHeroes moment. In doing so though, she'll end up becoming a FallenAngel, cast out of Heaven, and Charlie offering her a place at the Hotel as part of the staff. Maybe she'll be a sister figure to Charlie and/or Vaggie, maybe they'll end up becoming a OneTrueThreesome, who knows?

* Despite having centuries to review every soul that comes there way, the angels still have yet to figure out why some humans fail to come to them. And if even someone like Adam can cross the pearly gates, then there is something else keeping angelic and demonic souls separate from one another. One that will likely present a far, far more morally difficult question to Charlie and the Hotel. The original Sin. **Creativity**. Creative souls are hellbound, doesn't matter if it is something positive like art and music or the darkest thoughts such as the... rather creative ways the likes of Alastor comes up with to deal with his targets back in his mortal days. And its something that can't just simply be taken away, leading to there being no ascended demons through all this. The greatest part of the gift Lucifer gave to humanity becomes the very curse he stuck himself with. Once the Hotel learns the truth it will likely be the DarkestHour for hell, and send Lucifer further into his depression... leading to anarchy across hell with the effective loss of leadership.

Reason why somebody like Adam can get into Heaven and not even Angels has clue what criteria are, is because there isn't any, at least when it comes to person's character. It could be as random as soul simply going to afterlife it's closer to based on Earth's altitude when it dies.

In the Matrix, the machines made the first simulation a paradise for captured humans, but people could never accept such a place as being real. It crashed, killing everyone inside. Heaven in ''Hazbin Hotel'' works the same way, and it's the reason why the Divine Judgement system is broken so badly not even the Angels know why it's so flawed, or what gets a deceased soul into this realm. Its [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill human free will]] combined with the [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve power of the mind]]. A winner could see themselves in HellOfAHeaven, a sinner could see themselves having AHellOfATime. It's all a matter of perspective. If too many people reject Heaven as "unfair" and "unbalanced", ''it will collapse''. You can damn yourself to Hell for merely thinking you deserve it. You can be a wicked [[HolierThanThou self-righteous uptight]] who believes they deserve Heaven and that alone grants you the ultimate KarmaHoudini. The angels fear if too many winners realize they're stuck in a mostly horrid crowd that boasts how great their victories are, while all the good company truly lies with the miserable drunks in Hell who've humbled themselves with their failures, ''Heaven will implode''.

->"''But with this gift came a curse, for with this single act of disobedience, evil finally found it's way into Earth, and with it, a new realm of Darkness and Sin.''"

He went to Hell when he died but Sera, unwilling accept that the First Man could be a failure, carried him to Heaven against all her principles and pretended like he'd gotten there all along. Adam himself has completely blocked off the memory of the event due his narcissism or considers it just a bad dream. Furthermore, the Exterminations don't actually have anything to do with Hell's uprising, their sole purpose is to give an outlet to Adam's cruel, violent impulses so that his true nature wouldn't come apparent in Heaven itself. The other Exorcists did make it to Heaven fairly, but only barely, and don't really fit in. They were given the job for the same reason, that they don't end up resenting the rest of Heaven and lashing out in what is supposed to be the perfectly virtuous afterlife. But the job only fuels their bloodlust and cruelty and has also made them even more borderline cases, something between an angel and a demon, not a pure example of either.
* Would make for an interesting [[TomatoInTheMirror Tomato in the mirror]] Effect with his hatred of demons

[[WMG: Gnosticism is canon in the hellaverse]]

And the reason why Sir Pentious ended up as an AcendedDemon. Hellaverse God is more [[HaveYouSeenMyGod deist]] in that He delegated the creation of Earth and humans to the angels, overviewing and supervising as a power that be. Instead of being against His vision, God ''wanted'' Lucifer to give Adam and Eve the apple from the Tree of Knowledge so free will could be a thing. Unfortunately Hellaverse God is not perfect, and His design was flawed, causing things like Hell to exist as a result of free will instead of being caused by Lucifer's fall, the self-righteousness of His angelic creations and the questionable set of requirements meant to go to Heaven or Hell. This version of God is similar to [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} the Galactic Entity]] in that He believes in "a light touch", and is subtlety manipulating things for Heaven to reform their standards, in a small enough way they still exist as a motivation for Hell to clean up its act. Sir Pentious being in Heaven was the first push as part of His subtle reform. Presumably the only people who even know God exists in the first place for certain are the enigmatic Elders of Heaven or possibly [[AlwaysABiggerFish an authority above them]], and maybe Lucifer, who just assume he's acting InMysteriousWays.

WordOfGod said that sinners can't actually die unless its by the hands of angelic weaponry, and that normal injuries are often taken care of thanks to a healing factor, so if Sir Pentious still has that trait after his ascension, then if he gets stabbed by an exorcists spear, it won't kill him and he'll be able to heal himself, Giving him a form of CompleteImmortality.

Not metaphorically speaking like being his "daughters" from way down the line through mankind's history and existence but his ''direct'' descendants, on the same level as Cain and Abel back when Adam was actually alive. Considering Adam's attitude and personality, him pulling a "Zeus" on living women back on Earth is not out unthinkable and due to only being an ascended angel rather than a naturally made one, his daughters does not inherit the telltale-signs of nephilims, slowing them to pass of as human at a glance and earning them a spot in Heaven once they die due to their divine heritage. They might not know it and Adam may or may not but doesn't take any responsibility for raising them and is happy with having them around as a safe trustworthy crew to work with. This theory would also make Lute and Vaggie half-sisters and in a display of irony, repeat the sibling dynamics between Cain and Abel.

A lot of Christians argue that being attracted towards the same sex isn't the sinful part of homosexuality- it's acting on or behaving based on those interests that is. It's possible that God might very well approve of Charlie's plans to rehabilitate sinners; however, that would mean repenting for every sin they've committed, including acting on their homosexual interests. This might actually make for quite the moral dilemma in the show, as various non-heterosexual characters will have to come to terms with the reality that they essentially need to trade any love lives they might have for salvation. None would be affected by this moreso than Charlie and Vaggie- the former might start [[IJustWantMyBelovedToBeHappy trying to distance herself from her girlfriend so she might be able to get to Heaven]], and the latter [[RefusingParadise might forgo Heaven]] [[YouAreWorthHell purely by virtue of wanting to stay with Charlie]].

It does seem somewhat that most of the sinners are of the absolute worse kind and almost everyone in hell is a total jerkass even if you'd expect at least some people sent to hell not the be complete monsters, but at this point it seems only Vaggie (and possibly Husk) seems to really fit that category. I think the reason for this is because in the rough and brutal realm of Hell, all those lesser sinner who got condemned for being a thief or deadbeat parent rather than a murderer or evil mastermind, have all quickly learned to keep their heads down or likely wind up dead either from not being able to defend themselves during the exterminations or getting brutalised by other demons (even if that doesn't kill them). Related to this is perhaps the reaosn why no one seems to be showing up at the hotel is because most of the sinners who might be open redemption have long since grown accustomed to surviving by keeping their head down and not drawing attention to themselves. They could fear that the hotel is a trap (since I wouldn't be surprise if many people assume the daughter of lucifer is just faking her cheerfulness) or at the very least it would draw attention to them for what is considered a fool's errand.

Some of the demons are sympathetic, but they still crossed the Moral Event Horizon. Angel Dust was a mobster in a particularly violent time in gang history. It's likely that he killed an innocent person or two. Katy Killjoy went out of her way to ruin her interviewees and her data info lists her as liking torture. Cherri Bomb was a violent anarchist, Alastair was a serial killer, and Valentino is self explanatory. Mrs Mayberry could have just ordered a hit on Martha, but she took it one step further and included her entire family when she had no idea that they were serial killers. Even if the purge kills many of the newcomers and the more violent inmates subjugate the rest, since millions of people die daily wouldn't someone have accepted Charlie's offer and tried to redeem themselves- or at least reform enough so they could live peacefully in the hotel? Until the purges, sinners weren't sentenced to a Fiery Brimestone Hell, they were exiled from Heaven and turned the city into a hellhole themselves. Considering just how many people there have been in the world, it's no surprise that cramming even a number like .0001% of it in a single city doesn't work. Charlie's trying to force the sinners over to the other side of that line, and the question is that even if they can reform, can they truly be forgiven?

* Alternatively, there could be an archangel that's grown cynical because of the rigid standards You-Know-Who has set and has caused both an underpopulation crisis in heaven and has resulted in too many holier-then-thou people going to Heaven just because they sing praises to Him while cursing out people He doesn't like. They might even get a song titled along the lines of "Inside of Every Angel is an Asshole", where he bemoans how he feels everyone deep down is awful. Granted, he/she doesn't have to be an EvilCounterpart, just a {{foil}}.

It is possible that Lucifer's beef with God is not nearly as black and white as we've been lead to believe, [[VillainHasAPoint and Lucifer might have genuinely legitmate gripes with how God has been running things]].

But Hell is also a place full of crime and poverty. Where you have assasins that can advertise their actions, and where people like Angel can also be prayed upon by pimps like Valentino. While the authorities don't go out of their way to persecute you, they also won't protect you if someone goes after you. While Lucifer means well, he's hurt others with promoting TOO MUCH vice and debauchery.

Most of the mortal souls up there are good and pleasant people, with the occassional jackass who ends up there for whatever reason, much like how most sinners in Hell are assholes with a handful of decent people like Vaggie here and there. But much like there are some among Hell's natives who have strong moral compasses (like Moxxie) or are just good people all round (like Charlie), there are also some native angels who are assholes (like Deerie).

The ability to redeem one's soul after being sent to Hell would let people do whatever they want while they're alive and wait until they arrive downstairs to clean up their acts. This could have some severe negative repercussions in the mortal realm. Not to mention it would be pretty traumatizing for some people behind the pearly gates if their tormenters were suddenly with them. And what happens if a redeemed sinner relapses and starts causing trouble upstairs?

** That all manner of vices and businesses, from drugs to assasinations, are not only legal, but can advertise their services.

** Their appearance resembles a large hellhound with feathered wings and a reptilian tail with smoke billowing out their mouth but they can shift into a more monstrous form similar to Stolas, they will also be female to make the Geotia demons a bit less of a sausagefest. Their personality is that of a friendly, honest BoisterousBruiser who desires to return to Heaven which leads them to checking into the Hazbin Hotel.

[[WMG: In this universe, God is just position for leader of the Angels and ruler of the Heaven, rather than their almigthy creator, estabilished ''after'' Lucifer was banished]]
To explain why he isn't mentioned in prolugue despite ''Helluva Boss'' hinting that he exists(even in Charlie's parent aren't completelly honest, there is no reason for them to leave out God, esspecaly as she seems to be aware of him), title of the God only became thing after Hell was created and Lucifer and Lilith were banished. With evil gaining a foot in the universe, Angels felt they needed a singular leader. Whether it is title for eternity or they are going thought the candidates, the God as Christanity knows him is result of propaganda just like real life dictatorships are fond of deifiying their leader.

Emily is very outspoken against the exterminations once she learns about them, and is very much likeminded with Charlie in regards to the Sinners, to the point of calling Sera out for allowing the exterminations to happen. Sera's only remark though is that its NecessarilyEvil and that they can't challenge the Status Quo lest they fall like Lucifer. As Adam has outlined in front of everyone though that he's gonna start the extermination in a month and target the Hotel first, this sets it up nicely to have Emily intervene in order to protect Charlie and the Hotel members, possibly even strike Adam down herself in a BigDamnHeroes moment. In doing so though, she'll end up becoming a FallenAngel, cast out of Heaven, and Charlie offering her a place at the Hotel as part of the staff. Maybe she'll be a sister figure to Charlie and/or Vaggie, maybe they'll end up becoming a OneTrueThreesome, who knows?

Standards shift over time, and what may have been considered moral in the past may no longer be moral in the future. Heaven and its people want to keep the status quo for as long as possible so they can continue to stay in heaven, and also because they don't want sinners to enter heaven and risk changing the status quo even further. The genocide helps mantain this status quo.

He went to Hell when he died but Sera, unwilling accept that the First Man could be a failure, carried him to Heaven against all her principles and pretended like he'd gotten there all along. Adam himself has completely blocked off the memory of the event due his narcissim or considers it just a bad dream. Furthermore, the Exterminations don't actually have anything to do with Hell's uprising, their sole purpose is to give an outlet to Adam's cruel, violent impulses so that his true nature wouldn't come apparent in Heaven itself. The other Exorcists did make it to Heaven fairly, but only barely, and don't really fit in. They were given the job for the same reason, that they don't end up resenting the rest of Heaven and lashing out in what is supposed to be the perfectly virtuous afterlife. But the job only fuels their bloodlust and cruelty and has also made them even more borderline cases, something between an angel and a demon, not a pure example of either.

Sera mention of "Divine Judgement" implies that ''somebody'' is in charge of determining where souls go. Season ends with Sir Pentius becoming first ascended demon and being transported right in fron of Sera and Emily. While it could be that HeroicSacrifice or just selfless death was always what was necesary to get into Heaven, what we see of Hell implies that there actually are souls who are ready to give life for loved one, making Pentious being first to ever get into Heaven weird.

But, what if whoever is in charge of judging souls has seen Charlie and Emily's decriying of rules as unjust and actually agreed. Whether being Judge is secret posistion an they were part of Angel court, or they just watched from distance, they agreed that banishing souls to Hell and atleast not giving them chance to get into Heaven if they change is unfair, esspecaly when somebody like Adam can get to Heaven. They still have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality weird and confusing standards]], which could lead to problems with Sinners who really don't have much to redeem for or what exactly constitutes for redemption, but redemption itself now is ''possible''.

She warned Emily about her potenially falling like Lucifer, but with the reveal of Sinners' being redeemable, SHE is the one who went against the Divine Judgement (due to not knowing the full picture) and will not be able to reconcile her actions with the truth without also becoming a fallen Seraphim. This may remove Charlie's safety net if Sera tries to also take the Throne of Hell (presumably for her own safety if it gets out she's the sponsor of the exterminations).

Assuming he did actually eat the fruit, Heaven would have judged both him and Eve to be guilty. As to why Adam ended up in Heaven while Eve (most likely) went to Hell, part of it stems from who influenced them to eat it: Eve listened to Lucifer and Lilith, so she was banished to Hell along with them. Adam, meanwhile, ate the fruit on Eve's advice. Chauvanistic asshole he might be, he did listen to his wife in that moment. Thus, as punishment, he was separated from her. Furthermore, Adam's personality wouldn't be out of place in Hell at all. He might have even been able to thrive and form a faction of his own. Thus, he was sent to Heaven, where he has a lot of influence, but doesn't seem to be particularly well-liked outside of the Exorcists.

Show is willing to take libreties with Christian theology, so that woudn't be out of question. Of course this begs question why only Earth souls seem to have to face afterlife judgement and go to Heaven and Hell. Possible answer:

It's possible that Elders of Heaven are keeping God's death secret to legitimase their rule or keep order among the Angels, depending on how one interprets them, with only high ranking brass of Heaven knowing the truth. However, without God in charge, Creation become unpredictable since Angels control over it is limited, explaining weird afterlife standards.

[[WMG: Hell isn't meant to be a place of punishment and Adam's assesment that it was meant to "suck a lot" was incorrect]]

2. Hell was meant to be MundaneAfterlife for souls not worthy of Heaven. In reality there is nothing that inheretly makes Hell any worse place that Heaven and even in series itself and ''Helluva Boss'' we see nicer sides to its inhabitants. Maybe Sinners were even actually put there by whatever hidger power there is because alternative is CessationOfExistence.

Diligence-Diligentia vs Sloth -Acedia

It will be to protect her from the wrath of an even higher heavenly authority, maybe after Emily has started to rebel and try to change the system of Heaven. She will make it look like a banishing to avoid drawing their suspicion, but drop Emily on the doorstep of the Hazbin Hotel to ensure her protection while she personally deals with the higher ups.

Because everyone is hooooooooooot!

** In line with his depiction in demonology, Malphas will be a crow demon who runs a massive construction/demolition company that is the main contractor for Hell's infrastructure. Has a habit of twisting the wording of contracts to his advantage.

1. Hell was actually meant to be [[PurgatoryAndLimbo Purgatory]] and place of redemption of souls judged not worthy of Heaven when they die. This would ironicaly make opening of Hazbin Hotel Hell finaly doing its true purpose.

In both ways reason Hell ended up being [[CrapsackWorld what]] [[WorldOfJerkass it is]] and believed to be place of punishment is because by our standard evil people ended becoming most dominant causing most of innocent “Sinners” to become cruel to not be trampled and that spread into Hellborn, which coupled with how realms generally look and fact that Heaven seems to get more good people (thought people like Adam can still get here), causing everione to incorrectly assume that Hell was meant to suck.

2. Heaven was meant to be MundaneAfterlife for souls not worthy of Heaven. In reality there is nothing that inheretly makes Hell any worse place that Heaven and even in series itself and ''Helluva Boss'' we see nicer sides to its inhabitants. Maybe Sinners were even actually put there by whatever hidger power there is because alternative is CessationOfExistence.

[[WGM: Hell isn’t meant to be a place of punishment and Adam’s assesment that it was meant to “suck a lot” was incorrect]]

[[MWGM: Hell isn’t meant to be a place of punishment and Adam’s assesment that it was meant to “suck a lot” was incorrect]]

There are two option that came to me, depending on how much morality actually plays a part in getting into Heaven:

1. Hell was actually meant to be {{Purgatory}} and place of redemption of souls judged not worthy of Heaven when they die. This would ironicaly make opening Hazbin Hotel Hell finaly doing its true purpose.

2. Heaven was meant to be MundaneAfterlife for souls not worthy of Heaven. In reality there is nothing that inheretly makes Hell any worse place that Heaven and even in series and ''Helluva Boss'' we see nicer sides to its inhabitants. Maybe they were even actually put there by whatever hidger power there is because alternative is CeassionOfExistence.

In both ways reason Hell ended up being [[CrapsackWorld what]] [[WorldOfJerkass it is]] and believed to be place of punishment is because by our standard evil people ended becoming most dominant causing most of innocent “Sinners” to become cruel to not be trampled and spread into Hellborn, which coupled with how realms generally look and fact that Heaven seems to get more good people (thought people like Adam can still get here), causing everione to indirectly assume that Hell was meant to suck.